Volkswagen: 186-Mile* e-Golf Will Launch End Of This Year Or Early Next

2 years ago by Eric Loveday 120

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

2016 Volkswagen e-Golf

We’ve known for quite some time now that Volkswagen has been working on a longer-range e-Golf.

Some three months back, VW confirmed that a 186-mile (300km) e-Golf was in the works. However, at the time it was believed that this long-range e-Golf wouldn’t launch until 2018 or 2019.

Now, it seems that this improved e-Golf may actually come to market much sooner than previously expected.

Frank Welsch, Volkswagen’s technical development boss, apparently let Autocar in on a secret. As Autocar reports, a “heavily revamped VW e-Golf will go on sale at the end of this year or early next year, with a claimed electric range of 186 miles, up from the current model’s 118 miles.”

Apparently, this “heavily revamped e-Golf” will be the 186-mile one that’s been talked about in the past. If true, then Volkswagen will have a longer range competitor on the market much sooner than we anticipated.

Editor’s note:  This “186 mile” would seem to be in reference to Euro-zone/NEDC estimates, where the current e-Golf is rated at 118 miles (190 km).  The real world/EPA range of the e-Golf stands at 83 miles (134 km) today, meaning the 2017 upgraded VW would have about 130-135 miles (210-217 km) of range.

Beyond the improved e-Golf, there’s talk from Welsch of VW Group going all in on electric cars:

“The MEB platform toolkit gives us the perfect opportunity to gain scale by using the platform solution in as many ways as possible. If we can achieve scale then all sorts of things will become open to us, from reduced costs to faster R&D.”

“Cell technology is moving forward quickly and will move even faster in future.”

Source: Autocar, hat tip to Alan C!

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120 responses to "Volkswagen: 186-Mile* e-Golf Will Launch End Of This Year Or Early Next"

  1. 3laine says:

    Wow. Great news. Now they just need to sell it in all 50 states (or at least Florida :D).

    Another good option for whatever EV replaces my i3 next year.

    1. Frank says:

      And in Canada please, so I can exchange my TDI for the e-Golf (in a perfect world,the sportwagon version would be also available!)

      1. 3laine says:

        Oh man, Sportwagen EV. Please VW! 😀

        1. jerryd says:

          It would be interesting but at it’s price, it’ll get creamed by the t3,Bolt and 200mile Leaf.
          Looks like the T3 will be produced faster at higher rates will take market
          share.
          Just where are all these batteries going to come from?
          Only Tesla has the production and LG is going to be overloaded and not enough material plants are in the works to handle the others.
          Again Musk shows how visionary he is as the only one with everything in house and supplies already ordered.

      2. Jeffrey Songster says:

        Exactly right… the e-Golf is a great car in every respect… with nice incremental improvements over our Nissans. The heated windscreen and the charge timer suspend button in the charge port are great ideas. Indeed VW should offer as many variants as possible as soon as possible. If they can bring out a 125 to 150 miler at a decent discount… especially in the Sportwagen model they should have a hit on their hands. Offer it at a truly significant (mea culpa) discount to their loyal TDI customers and make it all better.

        1. pjwood1 says:

          Thanks, Jeffrey. My antenna’s have stayed up for “Heated windscreen”, as only the B-class seemed smart enough to do it in an EV, AFAIK. A lot of the Volt’s winter range dive, comes from watching defrost. And then GM upped the KW of the heater, instead of making defrost radically more efficient?

          I doubt that, unless MEB is specifically designed to preserve JSW interior space, batteries won’t cram-out some of that space-efficient interior. Still, that would be better that than a urea tank in my JSW TDI (snare drum and high hat, please).

          135 miles is still a deal-breaker, and VW is about as far from an EREV as anybody could get. Not looking good, despite incentives. Not enough cow bell, for 2017.

      3. Scott says:

        I live in Phoenix, a place where many manufactures test cars, due to our climate. Anyway, a VW GTE wagon pulled up next to me at a light yesterday. Very sorry I did not get a pic, anyway it had plastic, water filled dummies in the passenger seats. Was it a Jetta wagon or a Passat I am not sure. It most certainly was electric…

        1. Anon says:

          Ugly bags of mostly water? 😉

          1. DBMoore says:

            🙂 Literally LOL … (Gen 1 Star Trek reference).

            1. DBMoore says:

              Make that Next Generation …

          2. Rick Danger says:

            LOLOL

    2. beta995 says:

      IN ALL 50 STATES.

      for emphasis.

      1. Nix says:

        In all fünfzig states!

        (just so the message to VW doesn’t get lost in translation.)

        Fiddy States!

        (In case VW America hires young kids to manage their social media.)

    3. philip d says:

      You will feel sad driving the e-Golf after driving your i3. The e-Golf is quite a bit underpowered comparatively.

      What about the new Bolt which will be out sooner, will have over 200 miles range and similar performance to the i3?

      The e-Golf will probably have more cargo space and I think it looks a little nicer though but performance and range would be a higher priority at least for me.

      1. Elroy says:

        Absolutely. The i3 feels like a rocket ship compared to the eGolf. To me, the eGolf felt extremely similar to my 2012 Nisan LEAF.

      2. 3laine says:

        I’ll consider the Bolt, too, although it’s far more expensive than the base eGolf. Also, I much prefer the eGolf styling, at least from pictures of the Bolt. We had a GTI before the i3 and loved it.

      3. Stephen says:

        But from what I’ve read about the i3 the e-Golf is much more comfortable on the highway.

        1. philip d says:

          I’m sure it is. We have an i3 and while a lot of fun to drive you don’t exactly cruise in it on the highway. It takes effort at highway speeds.

      4. Rick says:

        I disagree. Test drove leaf, e-Golf and i3 in that order and the difference wasn’t that obvious in terms of power between the BM and the VW. The VW’s accelerator pedal is much more reactive and you notice the handling benefits of a lower cg and stability of a longer wheel base. Other reasons like nicer and more spacious interior, configurable regen, bigger nav screen, acc, lane assist, led lights everywhere and overall looks made me lease the vw as I wait for the model 3. I am convinced future electric VW’s will be awesome, but Tesla is just way ahead of everyone.

    4. Deven Foskey says:

      I hear you. We just moved down, and all I see are LEAFs, trucks, and domestic cars that could not have been made and no one would care.

  2. RickeyG says:

    Any word if they will expand sales beyond the current handful of states?

  3. tftf says:

    And in contrast to Tesla’s Model3 crazy promises of 500k cars by 2018 this car will actually launch on time!

    1. GolfProFred says:

      Albeit with higher real world emissions 🙂

      1. Eric says:

        +1!

      2. philip d says:

        And with dull performance and only about 2/3s the range.

    2. Speculawyer says:

      So they’ll successfully build a car that almost no one wants.

      1. Jeffrey Songster says:

        I actually test drove an e-Golf. Nice car really. Certainly not a Tesla… but as competent and solid as my Nissan LEAF. If they do a sportwagen model with even more range, at a decent discount… they could niche in perfectly under the rest of the market.

        1. Speculawyer says:

          Oh it is definitely as good as the LEAF. Just 5 years later.

      2. wavelet says:

        Do you mean the range, or the car otherwise?
        If the latter, not necessarily.
        The ICE Golf has for several years been the best-selling car in Europe, by far. It’s considered family-sized.
        VW’s approach (they’ve explicitly said this, several years afo) is to make an EV that drivetrain aside, handles and looks very much like a familiar car.

        For VW’s market, this might work very well (as long as the car doesn’t cost too much). It won’t be a primary long-distance car, but a 130-135mi AER Golf would be enough for many people’s suburban driving and some medium-distance trips.

    3. beta995 says:

      They’re not building the lowest cost battery factory.
      They’re just buying batteries from a supplier, not driving down battery cost.

      So, yes they can go to market quicker.

      1. jerryd says:

        Not true beta. There is little extra battery material production to increase production and to get it they need to order it today to get it in two yrs.
        There is plenty of materials, just the plants, refineries, mines need to be built.
        Only Tesla is ready to ramp up.
        LG didn’t ramp up and now they ate behind.
        And this doesn’t include home, grid demand on batteries.

    4. Vexar says:

      Well, if that warehouse in Livermore, CA is any indication, they upped the dosage on the crazy pills.
      My view is that VW is realizing that relevance in the next five years has to do with market share in the EV space. Those crazy people at Tesla sure are making it hard on the other guy.

      1. pjwood1 says:

        Tesla are busy succeeding at getting people to aspire to the functional tech, that they are working so hard on. Porsche took Le Mans last year, after a long hiatus, and the heads that be never gave a second thought to how quickly they needed LMP1 tech in their cars, or maybe a BEV product, or maybe a need to compete in a different world.

        I imagine the high (former Porsche) CEO Mueller must have felt, with Wolfgang and all the bro’s, last June. By October, pretty sure he was feeling like BP’s, Tony Hayward.

      2. Speculawyer says:

        Seriously. Tesla has been a slight annoyance to all the other car makers until somewhat recently. Last year when they stole lots of marketshare from the German Sport Sedans, those German companies took notice.

        And now with the 400,000 orders, everyone has taken notice.

        They only way they can dismiss Tesla is to say that Tesla can’t build the cars at that price and who knows if they can even build that many cars. That’s what Sergio decided to do. And they could be right . . . but I sure hope not.

    5. Aaron says:

      In select States, and limited number. But, totally, totally relevant to bring up the Model 3…

  4. SparkEV says:

    Current eGolf lacks active thermal management. I wonder if new one will hae it. If they do and price is below $20K with DCFC, it could be a hit.

    1. Frank says:

      Really? Didn’t know that. This is an important thing, winter being really rude where I live.

      1. ffbj says:

        It’s a must, in my view. A real deal breaker.

      2. SparkEV says:

        Yeah, lack of active thermal management came as a surprise to me, especially after early Leaf fiasco. I found out via lots of google.

        http://www.autoblog.com/2014/03/31/vw-e-golf-will-not-have-active-cooling-system-lithium-battery/

  5. Texas FFE says:

    Don’t get too excited, this is merely a refresh like the 2017 FFE. We still have a couple of years before VW starts producing a real 200 mile BEV.

    1. SparkEV says:

      I think 200 miles range is over-rated. It’s fine for entry level luxury that compete against likes of BMW 3 series, but for Golf, I think 130 miles is fine (2 hours driving highway). The price should also reflect as such, which is under $20K. People won’t pay $35K for eGolf when they can have Mercedes for similar money.

      1. Kosee says:

        Huh the eGolf is not 20k in Europe. More like 30k. If you then want some normal options it comes out in price higher then the soul EV. Which it should, because volkswagen is supposed to be better quality.

        If it’s only 20k in the states something weird is going on, or you are misinformed..

        1. SparkEV says:

          Base eGolf SE without DCFC is about $29.5K in US. With $7.5K fed tax credit + $2.5K CA rebate, it becomes $19.5K. Add DCFC would be bit more, but still in $20K ballpark.

          This is also true with Leaf S with DCFC option, and they both lack active battery thermal management and slow. They are very similar.

          1. Jychevyvolt says:

            Under 300% federal poverty line, you get an extra $1500 off.

      2. zzzzzzzzzz says:

        It is less than 2 hours driving on highway. EPA highway test is 48 mph average. At 80 mph speed limit like on Texas highways your range will plummet and you will have little left after an hour maybe.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Based on some testing with SparkEV, range at 80 MPH vs 62 MPH is not half (see my blog on range polynomial). It depends on aerodynamics, but I suspect it’d be 1.25 hours instead of 2 hours, so good for around 100 miles. That’s still enough to get to another city or to next DCFC station.

          But even at 1 hour at 80 MPH, that’s 80 miles enough to get to next DCFC in another city. That’s plenty useful, esepcially at $20K.

          1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

            Yes, but then you need to spend half an hour or more at that DC charger. It is ok if you just want electric car no matter what or you travel to other city very rarely. Otherwise it becomes not very practical choice for highway travel. For going around the city & suburbs it should be fine.

            1. SparkEV says:

              If they design it properly (battery cooled), DCFC could be 2.5C like SparkEV or even more. Battery will be much smaller than 60kWh like Bolt (35 kWh?), so even at 50kW, it would take 45 min, certainly less than an hour.

              For rare 130+ miles trip, that isn’t bad at all, considering one would not go to any “fueling stations” normally.

              With higher power DCFC in the future, that time could be reduced to 30 min or less. Again, that’s IF VW design it properly. But then, this is VW, so who knows if they’ll actually do it.

              1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

                They decided not to use active cooling when they started e-golf. It is VW brand, not Porsche. You can’t add all kinds of unnecessary bells & whistles to econobox or it it will get price of luxury car and warranty repair costs through the roof.
                As far as I have heard, they are just switching 25 Ah cells to 37 Ah as they become available from supplier – I would guess there isn’t reason of redesign unless something significant is changing in battery chemistry.

                1. SparkEV says:

                  Considering $16K (in CA) SparkEV has probably the best active cooled battery in industry, you don’t have to be Porsche (ie, expensive) to have it. In fact, anytime there’s a question about some EV tech, I compare to SparkEV. It’s truly the benchmark to use.

                  I know VW started with no cooling, but that doesn’t mean they can’t change it for the refresh. But you are probably right in that they’re not going to. It’s VW after all, the same guys who allowed spewing toxins in the air and lie about it.

      3. 3laine says:

        Totally agree about the range. From a sales standpoint 200 is a psychological barrier somewhat, but in practice 125 -150 miles is plenty for much of the population whether they know it or not. So, yes, I will get excited about 100-150 mile range cars because they’re sufficient for me and many other people.

        If the price for the base version remains the same, at $28k, it will be under $20k in Cali, just about $20k if DCFC is still a $1600 option. That’s a pretty darn nice car with very useable range for $20k… The base version needs the 7.2kw charger rather than only 3.6kw, though, too.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Interesting you mention $1600 for DCFC option, presumably for SE. I couldn’t find that anywhere on their web site. It’s $750 for SparkEV, less than half. What makes VW DCFC so expensive?

          Now if eGolf gets battery thermal management and not so slow, it could be a big hit, at least in CA. Many people don’t want to pay for 65 miles extra range for $10K more.

        2. pjwood1 says:

          I don’t think “200 is a psychological barrier”. It is a straight empiric, from a bunch of EV drivers, right here. There haven’t been cars capable of 150-200, so we don’t have much of a market reaction there, but if you look at Tesla cancelling the 40, eagerly upgrading the 60,70,75,85,90…you get a sense of what people want. It sure would have been cheaper for Tesla to double-down on bio-weapon defense mode, etc.

          ICE cars wouldn’t come with ~14 gallon tanks, if equilibrium demand wasn’t for ~300 miles from a gas car. That’s with pretty easy refueling. 135 EV miles may work, for some, but not everybody else.

          1. 3lainr says:

            I don’t think you can make a direct comparison of Tesla MS owners to the general public. Of course someone paying ~$60,000 for a car is likely to be willing to pay $5k more for significantly more range, but maybe not someone who is spending just $20k.

            That said, people THINK they need 200 miles, and the articles and comments about 200-mile range reinforce the idea in people’s minds. In reality, less is fine for many people, not to mention cheaper, lighter, etc.

            1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

              Charging time is about the same (by order of magnitude, some battery cars are better some worse) either you have 20 kWh battery or 70. As it is typically restricted by C (charged battery capacity per hour)*. At 20-30 kWh you can drive about an hour at typical 70-80 mph highway speed and than you must stop for another 30-60 minutes for recharge. Which means your average speed drops almost in half. Which means driving at highway speed with regular folks makes no sense, even if you have such checkpoint option, but it is not usable. It is faster to go as slow as possible and drag in first lane behind slower trucks and their exhaust, and it is a pain. With 60+ kWh battery highway driving becomes more realistic as you driving time increases but charging time not so much.

              * There are LTO batteries that allow high C charging. I think Proterra buses use them for charging at route stops. But their specific energy is lower by about a third. It would be acceptable if you would have where to charge, but very high power charging network still looks way too expensive for a country like US and more difficult to do than battery/car part.

              1. SparkEV says:

                Again, I use SparkEV as a benchmark of what’s possible today, or from 2013 when SparkEV first became available. At 65 MPH, range is about 90 miles (see my range polynomial blog post). It charges 80% (72 miles) in 20 minutes (see my sparkev is quickest charging car in the world blog post). Charging speed is bit over 2.5C, and that is with 3 year old battery technology.

                The notion that it takes 30-60 minutes with 24kWh is with Leaf and proabably VW eGolf, both of which are not actively cooled. That’s due to poor engineering, not due to any battery technical limitation.

                Now one might think such cooling and quick charging would add weight and make it slow and expensive. But SparkEV is quickest car (any car!) under $20K, while it’s only $16K in CA.

              2. SparkEV says:

                Here’s a plot of average speed vs driving speed of SparkEV from my blog. This assumes 20 minutes to charge 80%, 5 minutes to get off road and 5 minutes to get back on for 30 minutes break. Average speed is far more than half. There’s no reason why VW couldn’t do this other than poor engineering.

                1. Here’s a super-nerd excel file that I cobbled together to calculate optimum driving speed when charging enroute:

                  https://www.dropbox.com/s/n1bz3u2hfnvmkln/Driving%20Range_Equations.xlsx?dl=0

                2. zzzzzzzzzz says:

                  If you will take the 2015/16 graph, at 80 mph driving you would get around 42 mph top average speed, and that is almost half.

                  I’m not claiming that better is impossible. Take LTO batteries and you can charge it in 10 minutes or less. But I don’t see chargers every 50 miles here where I live and don’t think I’ll see them for years at such density outside California metro areas. Charging at 2.5C means that you would need 80 kW for just 32 kWh battery, or 150 kW for 60 kWh. No such chargers in the US and only few in Europe, so why would VW bother to push it for 2017 model year. Maybe for later model years with more extensive redesign. I guess it is more likely we will see faster charging starting to be introduced in higher end Audi & Porsche branded cars first and economy models will see it later only.

              3. Tom H says:

                This is a good point and one of the factors that caused me to go with a 2016 Volt instead of waiting for a Bolt or Tesla III. Even at 200+ miles of range a pure EVs means a SUBSTANTIALLY longer travel times on long trips.

                I travel between Missouri and the Washington DC area once or twice a year. It is about 1,000 miles. Starting with a full tank of gas it requires two 5-10 min stops for gas and one additional 30 min stop for gas and food. Driving a 200-mile EV requires 7 charging stops at 30-45 min each. Charging adds about 4 hours to my travel time.

                For this reason, I decided that a PHEV–like the new Volt–was more practical than an EV. I get 160 MPG and 95% of my driving in electric mode, given my driving habits.

                One other downside to EVs that guided my decision is the problem of the forgetful man. What happens when you just forget to plug-in? Believe me, it happens. You are screwed. With a PHEV you just burn a little gas in the form of punishment.

                1. I’ve done many drives well over 1000 miles in my “200 mile EV” (Tesla Model S-70D).

                  There is no question that you can refuel your gas car faster… maybe forever, except for battery swaps. But, for a trip that you make twice per year, you haul that gasoline motor around for the other 350 days of the year.

                  I would drive about 100-150 miles between Tesla Superchargers, arrive with the battery between 5-10%, then charge at nearly 120kW, which decreases in kW over time. The average charge speed is probably 75kW for a 30-40 minute charge… free, forever.

                  I just ran the data on a 1000 mile trip, with 75kW average charge speed, 65kWh usable battery, never charging above 80%, 7 minutes of “putz time” to find the charger, 5% driving time penalty (cruising speed is never average speed), and I can do your twice annual trip in 18 hours with a 75-85mph ideal cruise speed.

                  I’m just not in that big of a hurry for a long trip, ever. If I was, I would fly.

                  **********

                  If you forget to charge, go to the local fast charger. Get a Starbucks.

                  If you’re the kind of guy who is generally forgetful, there are now wireless home charging kits available, even for your Volt.

                2. SparkEV says:

                  Tom, you’re assuming you have zero time away from driving compared to BEV if you claim 4 hours extra. Fact is, you need to stop and pee, fuel, eat, maybe even sleep. Take all that into consideration, and extra is much less. And if you consider overnight charging to 100% while sleeping, that difference becomes even smaller.

                  With higher power DCFC in the future and faster charging batteries, even just 3.2C (vs 2.5C of SparkEV now) will take 15 minutes. After about 3 hours of driving, 15 minutes of break would be the same as gas car driving. Combined with charging at hotel while sleeping, BEV could be faster.

                  As for Tony’s argument of carrying around extra weight, that’s also true with 200 miles range BEV with carrying extra battery while almost all the driving is under 50 miles. It seems there should be some way to optimize, just not sure what that could work (definitely not FC and range extending trailer).

                  1. arne-nl says:

                    Hauling around that petrol engine is not about the weight, it is about this whole different component, consisting of thousands of moving parts, complicating things, causing extra maintenance costs.

        3. wavelet says:

          I agree that a real 150mi AER is enough for many people including for long trips, but you need to take into account what happens to the EPA 200mi number once:
          1) Car has 3-4 people, not just one (typical of vacation/holiday trips)
          2) Freeway @ 70-75mph rather than suburban driving @ 40-60mph
          3) Colder temps in winter
          4) The car is 3-4 years old, with some battery degradation

          Some/all of the above will make a 200mi car a 150 one…

          1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

            All of them more likely to make it 100 mile car.

          2. arne-nl says:

            You forgot the most important one: on long trips you can only use 60-70% of battery capacity. Because you will never arrive at a fast charger with 0% left in you battery. You’ll want to have a comfortable cushion of 10-15%. And you definitely don’t want to wait for your battery to charge to 100%. Above ~80% all cars exhibit a decreasing charge rate.

            Therefore, 250 miles AER is the minimum for a comfortable road trip rythm of 2-2.5 hours of driving and half an hour rest.

      4. Frank says:

        I agree that 130 miles would be fine, but this must the case during winter!

        1. SparkEV says:

          If they have battery thermal management and without using heater, it could be close to 130 miles in winter. With moderate heater and battery thermal management, I suspect it’d be around 100 miles at 62 MPH. But without thermal management, it’s hard to say, probably lot less.

      5. Texas FFE says:

        Maybe 200 mile range isn’t that important on the east and west coasts but range is king in the Midwest. Even the 200 mile range is only marginally useful. Anything less than a 200 range and you need a second car or you need to be prepared to rent cars often for longer trips.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Without DCFC network in midwest, even 200 miles range car won’t make much difference. Arriving at your destination only to charge at 120V for three days is not an option for most people. With DCFC, 140 miles EV under $20K could be an attractive option.

          1. Texas FFE says:

            The DCFC network in the Midwest is getting much better. With the 200 mile range right now you can travel from San Antonio, TX to Ouebec, Canada using CCS with only having to use L2 chargers a couple of times. Less than 200 mile range and there are many more L2 charges.

            1. SparkEV says:

              DCFC will expand in the future. Depending on pricing, more range may not make sense. For example, $20K for 140 miles vs $30K (or $35K for Tesla 3) for 200 miles, it might be better for $20K car for many unless they want Tesla level of performance.

            2. Djoni says:

              It’s spell, Québec!

              1. vdiv says:

                Not in English it’s not. There is no è letter in English. :p

                1. Brian says:

                  No, but there is a “Q” letter 😉

  6. Absidu says:

    With new german incentives this looks very promising for VW.

  7. FiatSparkLeasee-M3Reserved says:

    Those extra 50 miles real world miles translates into MUCH lower range anxiety and opens up a wider market.

    Our Spark is great, but causes too much range anxiety for my wife for her liking.

    This will at least get some VW faithful into it and stay in brand.

  8. Alan says:

    Seems like the race in on to ramp up EV’s !

    On a separate note, it seems Tesla in not hanging around with the Model 3 !

    http://cleantechnica.com/2016/05/04/tesla-model-3-drivetrain-march-31-launch-production-drivetrain/

    1. ffbj says:

      I saw that too, last night. Things are moving rapidly now, and without an actual competitor Tesla continues to up the ante. Step up to tale boys and place your bets, Musk seems to be saying, and now they are.

  9. Murrysville EV says:

    A 130-mile compliance car + no interstate charging network = FAILURE.

    1. Michael Will says:

      Not really, its great used locally. For any two car household it can be the primary car. We owned a VW e-Golf 2015 since January 2015 and put close to 20,000 miles on it. It was intended as the second car, but because its just so much more fun, convenient and cheaper to drive, we use it as our primary for 90% of our driving like the 40 mile roundtrip commute plus errands, and use the gas car only when the e-Golf is already out and about, or once or twice a year when going more far like to Tahoe. The last two longer trips we actually rented a tesla from turo.com because autopilot makes the 960 mile roundtrip drive to LA feel about half as exhausting than it used to be in the honda oddysse which is collecting mostly dust in my driveway now. The e-Golf we mostly use locally, but took it more far than its range maybe 4 times, going to santa cruz or monterey, with a DC fast charge stop in San Jose. This would all be less stressful with 130 mile EPA range than with 86 mile EPA range, so yeah if I would buy another car now instead of mid-2017 when the tesla model 3 comes out, VW e-Golf would be a great sporty choice based on my real world experience, and the price of 25,000 after incentives for the non-dumbed down version is acceptable for what it does for us.

    2. Jeffrey Songster says:

      Agree that to date it has been a weak compliance play… but at 130 miles plus of range, an up and coming metropolitan network in place of CCS DC QCs. (Most in SF Bay Area are dual corded CCS and CHAdeMO nowadays) It is poised to take share away from Nissan.

    3. sveno says:

      +1

      Golf is a nice car and the eGolf will have usable range but it is still a compliance car. I will not buy cars that were forced into existence as some bastard child – I want cars that are thought through, loved and supported by the manufacturer.

      1. arne-nl says:

        If the e-Golf is a compliance car, why is it sold in Europe. We don’t know the concept of ‘compliance car’. Only cars like the Fiat 500e, Honda Fit EV and Toyota RAV4 EV are true compliance cars imo.

    4. SparkEV says:

      This compliance car bashing nonsense has to stop. “compliance car” moniker is thrown around as if it’s some kind of poison. eGolf is also sold in Europe, and that has nothing to do with compliance.

      There used to be several compliance cars in the past, Rav4EV, FitEV, Fiat500e, etc. As of now, only Fiat500e is a compliance car. All the other EVs are sold in areas that do not get compliance credits.

      Besides, even if it’s “compliance car” (Fiat 500e), so what? If it’s a good car for the money, why the F do you care? If Tesla P90DL is sold only in CA to get compliance, it’s still a great car.

      1. SparkFiatOwner-M3reserved says:

        [Envy] Amen. Love my compliance cars. Pays to have high sunshine CA tax at times.

        A good car is a good car.

      2. arne-nl says:

        +1

        And see my comment above to sveno. The e-Golf is being sold in Europe and therefore imo not a compliance car.

  10. Michael Will says:

    I wonder when they will crack down on the bogus range numbers, EPA is already overstating it a little when it comes to highway driving, but the european numbers are just out of this world wrong. After #dieselgate they need to address #NEDCgate

    1. notting says:

      Read the pricelists etc. They write absolutely clear that the NEDC is just a procedure to compare the consumption of comparable cars (=has nothing to do with the real world, where drivers and therefore the consumption is extremely different).

      And obviously you don’t know that the WLTP will be used in the EU in a few years.

      notting

      1. 3laine says:

        If it’s just for comparison, then they should just remove the units, miles. Just call them “points” or something because 186 miles is a real, standardized distance and this car can’t cover that distance on one charge.

        1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

          It can cover more if you drive at 30 mph with no A/C, no heater, not lights, no music, no wipers, no anything :/

        2. arne-nl says:

          In the ideal world it would be usable for comparison, but we’re not even granted that blessing. Real world fuel consumption as compared to NEDC differs wildly among manufacturers. I guess the same is true for EV range.

          However I must mention Renault. THey deserve kudos for not promoting the NEDC range for their Zoe (you can find it somewhere in the specs, but that’s it). They state a range of 100-150 km which is quite realistic. Nissan has no scruples, they use the NEDC range to pump up the range for their Leaf as much as they can.

  11. vdiv says:

    NEDC should stand for No European Driving Cycle. It’s a joke, just like diesel in Europe is a joke. Just fly into any European city, you see the smog as you land, and start coughing your lungs out. People were laughing at Musk and his enormous “bioweapon defense” HEPA filter, but it is no laughing matter. Fossil fuels and the governments that allow and promote that nonsense, including NEDC kill people.

    1. notting says:

      At an airport, the planes are probably the reason for most of the fumes. So why you suggest to fly? Ok, IIRC Spain has many holes in the rail network. And there are certain routes which are bad with railroad (e.g. south-western Germany Graz (Austria) or south-western corner of south-western Germany e.g. Munich (because of the Black Forest). But in very many cases it’s even faster (if you don’t forget to add the time for check-in/-out and driving to the center of the city).
      And I never saw smog in Europe. Ok, I’ve never been e.g. to Rome with it’s extremely many scooters (catalyst?!) where they had problems in last winter.

      notting

      1. vdiv says:

        You are used to it. Fly because I live on the other side of the pond and taking a boat would take longer than my puny two-week vacation. Also terrestrial transport in the central and eastern part of Europe is not that well-developed or is impeded by something called mountains…

  12. Fred says:

    New European Lie Cycle… NELC.

  13. Johnny says:

    Dont forget europes metric system is in km. So 300 km is the phsycologicol-sales factor for europe and not 320km which equals 200 miles

  14. So, ~130-135 real miles is awesome! I wonder what changes they will make to the car?

  15. Get Real says:

    I call this the “Tesla Effect” or innovate/improve or face the consequences.

    As Tesla goes down the food chain, i.e.-market segments, they are forcing the laggard OEMs to step up and build compelling EVs or die.

  16. Someone out there says:

    Yep, Tesla is definitely pushing the rest of the industry now. Too bad this is NEDC miles, 186 miles EPA would probably be good enough to compete somewhat with the other models coming out but 130 miles is pretty weak. It’s a welcome upgrade but it’s not enough, just like the i3 upgrade.

    1. Yoda says:

      120 mile range for 5,000 to 10,000 less is plenty enough and a good deal if it is a second car or if you do not need extra range…

      It will be interesting to see how they price it and how Ford proces the 2017 FFE…

  17. Ford Prefect says:

    This is just a thought, but if the BEV version has increased range, would this mean the PHEV versions receive greater range that might make them viable for the US market?

  18. Brian says:

    “The current e-Golf is 190 kilometers [118 miles] of range on paper and about 120 kilometers [75 miles] in the real world, the Golf VIII e-Golf will have 300 kilometers [186 miles] of real-world range – genuinely 300 kilometers. ”
    – Volkswagen Group small car development leader Dr. Jocham Böhle

    http://www.myelectriccarforums.com/2018-volkswagen-e-golf-to-have-186-miles-of-real-world-range/

    If this is truly comparing 300km to 120km, VW may have a 200-mile EPA EV on their hands.

    300/120 = 2.5x improvement
    83 * 2.5 = 207.5

    1. David S. says:

      You’re talking about the next-gen Golf, not the upgraded current-gen that’s discussed here.

      1. Brian says:

        Well, I’m just quoting someone within VW. So by your statement, they are going to release a car that is 300km on the NEDC cycle for 2017, and then 300km in the “real world” for 2018? That just seems too coincidental to me. It seems more likely that we are talking about the same vehicle, but that Mr. Loveday makes an assumption which is contrary to the meaning expounded by Dr. Bohle.

        1. 3laine says:

          You could be right about a miscommunication here. That said, the VW guy is for sure talking next gen because he said Golf VIII.

        2. Jychevyvolt says:

          There is no room to squeeze 55-60kwh battery in the e-golf.

          1. Brian says:

            True. Not in the MQB platform on which the current eGolf is based. However, we have seen VW put 100kW in the MEB platform. They have also strongly suggested that the new eGolf will ride on the MEB platform.

            Their press releases are a little vague and not entirely self-consistent. In this article, they are quoted as comparing 186 miles to 118 miles. But that’s a quote from Autocar, which is an interpretation of a quote from VW. Telephone anyone? In the more direct quote, which I gave above, they are comparing the 186 miles to 75 miles, saying that it’s rated at 118 miles, but only gets about 75 miles in the “real world”. And then he goes on to say that the new one will get 186 miles in the “real world”.

            So which is it? I wish I spoke German so I could read the original press release/transcript and decide for myself!

  19. Martin T says:

    Well well, Das Auto has come to the party after all the hesitations and dismissive views of EV’s.
    see… Diesel gate was good for something 🙂

    Now this is one VW I could final consider !

    (Would not touch a ICE with dual clutch VW with a long barge pole.)

    Well Done VW – finally …. get serious!

  20. DK says:

    If they update the e-Up! with the same batteries, I’d buy it in a heartbeat. Awesome little car and would be so much better with just a little bit of more range.

    1. Pedro says:

      They will.The change from 25 Ah cells to 36 Ah will give the e-Up a 28,3 kWh battery. 44 % more capacity and range.

      The current Volkswagen is now discontinued, it disappeared from volkswagen.de, the new revised version will arrive later in the summer with bigger battery and faster charger.

  21. It’s not too surprising that two German auto makers (that are active in the EV realm) will match each other in features like range.

    I really think this EV thing is here to stay, thanks to a lot of things that have happened this past year, with VW Dieselgate being at the top of the list.

    Persumably, governments will tire of financing hydrogen if EVs catch on as they might in the next 5-10 years. Once all attention is on one solution to pollution and carbon, I think we will get that 10% to 80% spike in EV adoption in my lifetime.

    1. zzzzzzzzzz says:

      Battery cars are solution for smog but not a solution for carbon or sulfur emissions. The best they can do is reduce it a bit and the rest is shifted to electricity production. Which is mostly the same fossil fuel worldwide. You need long term storage for meaningful use of cheap wind/solar energy and it means hydrogen.

      1. arne-nl says:

        Sigh, this EV’s run on coal meme just doesn’t want to die.

        If you had payed attention, you’d known that the electricity system is not set in stone. It is changing. Coal use is dropping fast in the developed world, and the developing world will follow suit. In the US in 2015, only 33% if electricity came from coal.

        And a combination of wind, solar, hydro, geothermal, and increased grid capacity will minimise the need for storage. It is a much overrated ‘problem’.

        The reason why we absolutely need EV’s NOW, is to develop the technology and make sure that when the grid is clean, we’re not still driving around in gas guzzlers, but our cars (preferably all of them, not a small %) can use that clean electricity.

  22. Mister G says:

    2017 base model VW e golf should start at $20k to make good for diesel gate pollution. Do the right thing VW.

  23. Terawatt says:

    This is a big surprise! We all expected the 2017 BEVs from VW to get a capacity boost, because they’ve already said they would do that. But the expectation was a 30% increase.

    Now BMW has increased the i3 range by 50% and VW by a little bit more than that.

    I really wonder what Nissan is going to do for 2017! I’m still not certain the second generation LEAF is for 2018, but it seems likely. Can they do another battery pack upgrade? It seems very odd that Nissan only managed to boost the LEAF pack by 25% after six years when we see how much faster the Germans are going (with their Korean batteries). They will need another 25% to be in the same ball park for 2017…

    Of course the LEAF feels and is more dated than an e-Golf regardless, but it has many qualities and many happy owners (as well as some very unhappy ones who’ve suffered battery problems – Nissan’s failure to take care of them and solve their problems is a strange strategy that will cost them IMO). If they could retain a small edge on range they’d probably be fine competing against the e-Golf another year, although both should be in big trouble versus the Bolt unless they drop prices significantly.

    What will Nissan be offering for 2017?

    1. scratche-GolferA says:

      Nissan will offer something ugly, if it’s anything close to the last Leaf in appearance.

  24. scratche-GolferA says:

    Please, VW, make a 10 kw charger pack standard, and DCFC standard also. As well as an actively cooled battery pack for the Mk VIII Golf. Passive cooled battery pack is death to battery life for electric cars in the southern portions of the USA. This isn’t Europe, Denmark or Norway. Do some long term testing in Tucson, Phoenix and Death Valley on battery degradation first with SAE combo fast charging. There’s a fast charger in Beatty, NV now. Try it in May- October heat in Death Valley.