MotorWeek: Nissan LEAF e+ Re-Energized For Future: Video

MAR 1 2019 BY MARK KANE 39

And only time will tell how good the e+ really is

More and more media reporters had a chance to try out the Nissan LEAF e+ (or PLUS) for short test drives, so hopefully, we will discover weak and strong points of the latest longer-range version. It will be available in parallel with the current 40 kWh version.

MotorWeek, during its first drive (don’t expect deep reviews yet, as those will probably follow later on) in sunny San Diego said: “Nissan LEAF grows with the times becoming even more energized for a future where electricity will play a bigger role in how we drive”.

It’s a very good point, as the times have changed a lot during those eight years since the first LEAFs were delivered. The battery capacity increased, range increased, power output is up. Consumers are looking for better cars and aside from production constraints (leading to lack of choices) the LEAF was showing its age. In the case of LEAF, a lot will depend on price, which we don’t know yet for the U.S.

Nissan LEAF e+ specs (vs. LEAF 40 kWh)

  • 62 kWh battery (+55% capacity over 40 kWh, 25% more energy dense lithium-ion cells, similar size)
  • 288 lithium-ion cells (compared to 192 cells)
  • battery limited warranty of 8 years/160,000 km (whichever occurs first) is standard
  • 364 km (226 miles) of expected EPA range (up 50% from 243 km/151 miles)
  • 385 km (239 miles) of WLTP range in Europe (vs. 285 km/177 miles)
  • 458 km (285 miles) of WLTC Japan range in Japan (vs. 322 km/200 miles)
  • 570 km (354 miles) of JC08 range in Japan (vs. 400 km/249 miles)
  • 160 kW electric motor (up from 110 kW) and 250 lb-ft (340 Nm) (vs. 320 Nm in 40 kWh version)
  • 70 kW (100 kW peak) fast charging using CHAdeMO (vs. less than 50 kW)

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39 Comments on "MotorWeek: Nissan LEAF e+ Re-Energized For Future: Video"

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Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show)

My all-time favourite car show-series. MW has always been objective and trusting in their reporting on the automotive scene. Good reports from them suggest a solid vehicle that will be very effective at consumer transportation tasks.

The Leaf e-Plus is no exception to this with improved range, power and handling. Still a smooth ride quality for the class of this vehicle and solid functionality and good interior appointments. I believe Nissan continues with the value-conscious approach to all-electric vehicle offerings by keeping the Leaf offerings in a market segment that make them affordable, practical and a great entry-point for switching drivers from ICE vehicles into battery-electrics.

It does not have to be the fastest, sexiest or offer the most range to continue to carve out a solid space for itself (over 400,000 Leafs now sold globally since 2010) in this huge market opportunity that is the global EV landscape.

A great pick in my books!

Yeah, and at the same price of a $35K M3.

Dead on arrival, unless they lower the price of the Leaf e-Plus.

I would hate to be the guy trying to sell these after yesterday. I think Nissan, GM, Hyundia…are going to have to seriously cut prices if they want to move any EVs. I have a Bolt that isn’t even a year old and I am seriously thinking of ordering a M3 before the rebate decreases again.

The future arrived 24 hours ago and I think all the legacy car companies are still in denial.

I agree that traditional manufacturers will be revisiting to some degree some things like price and battery size in their offerings this year, given that they likely didn’t know when the model 3 at $35k would be available. However, I think denial is not likely. I did give you an upvote though.

Tesla just made it real easy to choose the next EV sedan. Ironically the base M3 will even beat the leaf plus to general availability. Looking forward to our 2nd M3 at the end of the year (mostly for commuting) or the discount Leaf/Bolt bargain bin.

Would love to be a fly on the wall at GM, Ford, Nissan corp after the announcement.

@Mike said: “…The future [35K Tesla Model 3] arrived 24 hours ago and I think all the legacy car companies are still in denial.”
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More likely they are in shock and at a loss of how to go about responding… it impacts all existing and all 2019-2021 competing EV offerings.

Thing is Tesla did not mess around with the $35K base offering. It is a very solid base configuration without “*” bottom of page gotcha cost disclaimers.

The biggy item in the Tesla $35K Model 3 announcement that will get the most attention of traditional car makers is Tesla’s decision to go purely on-line for sales order taking.

If Tesla proves this sales channel model can be sustained without materially negatively impacting Tesla sales then that is a Tesla cost advantage that can not be replicated by traditional car makers without significant modification to existing dealer franchise agreements and change in dealer franchise law in many states.

I think even Tesla is not so certain how this sales model will play out. Whichever way it does play out will have a huge impact on the future automotive industry.

Surprised it still has the glass roof, awesome. Did AutoPilot get cheaper too, at $3k?

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

AP is cheaper but some features are missing.

Which ones?

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)
Every person who always just wants to promote Tesla fails to realize the size of the EV market potential. We are only at 2% market share for EVs at about 2 Million units globally. In order to get “more bums into EV car seats”, we need all the other manufacturers to produce as many EVs as they can. This is the only way a significant turning tide in lowering consumer transportation GHG emissions will make a strong impact in positive Climate Change impact that we need. So while I always commend Tesla, please get your head out of the ground to look at the global and much bigger picture. There is no way in my lifetime that Tesla will single handedly be able to produce enough BEVs to completely fill this remaining market share. Yes I hope traditional manufacturers continue to look at Tesla’s achievements and learn/copy but more importantly BUILD BEVs for consumers. Does not matter if it has 100 mile range, 200 mile range, 300 mile range, etc. but that the more choice we have, the better chance to increase EV adoption, which should be all of our main focus if you truly call yourself an EV lover.… Read more »

@Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show – YouTube) said: “…please stop with the “Tesla is the greater and only EV to look at”… we need much more than Tesla, VW, Nissan or any other single automotive manufacturer to carry the load…”
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To whatever extend some EV enthusiasts are arriving at ”Tesla is the greater and only EV to look at” is a function consumers rationally evaluating what is *currently* available in the market and forming an opinion.

I think most EV enthusiasts myself included would prefer for there to *currently* be EV offerings are better competitors to Tesla.

The two big *cirrent* undeniable advantages Tesla has is Tesla’s robust fast charge network and Tesla’s lack of needing to organizationally maintain competing legacy ICE products.

Over time these two big Tesla advantages will be addressed by legacy car makers but unfortunately that will take 3-7 years which is a long for us EV enthusiasts wanting to see more rapid EV transition but a very short time frame in the time scale of traditional car makers.

We need every manufacturer to do well. ASAP.

I think there are close to 20,000 orders for LEAFs worldwide. Nissan will never meet the demand. As a matter of fact several EV manufacturers will not meet the demands for this year. Heck there are over 10,000 people trying to get a eNV200 electric van and thousands waiting on the new Renault and Mitsubiushi and Hyndai Kona. Great news for all the manufacturers. There are around 20,000 orders i hear for the Tesla Model 3 too, don’t leave them out.

Nissan looked like a winner until yesterday. Would you rather have a top of the line Leaf e+ at $36 or $37K Tesla Model 3 with semi premium interior and 240 miles of range? Nissan will enjoy a higher Federal tax incentive but that may not last very long.

Sadly, Nissan yielded their BEV leadership by ignoring the Leaf for something like 7 years and then taking baby step 1 and baby step 2 to improve the range on their new Leaf.

Can’t forget that MSRP for a Nissan is not what you end up paying. I expect dealers will be more willing to deal when people site what you get for about the same price at Tesla.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

Yeah, you also pay for the Stealership markup.

Good service too. I have owned several Toyotas, Hondas, Datsuns, Nissans, and Mazdas. I have always gotten fair to excellent service.

Thats true I have owned about 25 cars and I have never paid the asking price before except for 2 vehicles. a 1999 Kubota tractor and a 2012 Nissan LEAF. They wouldn’t budge on those. No I take that back. I had a Titan PU truck so I got loyal buck discount from Nissan and a free portable dvd player!

It depends, if you want the best performance car or your a collector get a Tesla. IF you want the most reliable economical family car get a Nissan LEAF. There really is no comparison here.

If you really want one, can’t see why, wait a couple years, and see how the battery is holding up, or perhaps lease it. Nissan’s so called fix for rapidgate, is not making it’s way to NA , because we don’t need it, according to Nissan. With their poor history regarding the battery and their denial of problems, and the general poor quality, and lack of TMS, that would give me pause, if I were to consider one, which I’m not.
Aside from the suspect battery, the rest of the car seems good, but I think American buyers will adopt a once bitten twice shy, attitude. Many original buyers saw their investment in a Leaf, turn out very badly, and that is not acceptable.

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)

Well, Nissans “poor history regarding the battery and their denial of problems, and the general poor quality, and lack of TMS” has certainly hurt their sales, with over 400,000 units sold globally and they continue to sell very well.

I think your generalization it totally inaccurate and biased. If Nissan’s Leaf is as bad as you say, there would be recalls, lawsuits, terrible industry ratings, etc. I don’t see this so show me your proof.

Again, someone coming across this website and reading comments to research EVs would read your remarks and probably run away from considering the Leaf/Leaf e-Plus. Which is a shame since it is a really good product. It’s not the best nor does it claim to be, but for what it offers, it can be a great ICEV replacement for many. So can the Bolt, Model 3, i3, Ioniq, etc. etc.

> and they continue to sell very well.

People’s ignorance. They simply don’t know. But the word on the $35K M3 will get out, and it will hammer the new Leaf’s sales, unless they lower the price big time.

> If Nissan’s Leaf is as bad as you say, there would be recalls, lawsuits, terrible industry ratings, etc.

Yeah right. Recalls, and lawsuits are covered under the wordings of their warranties.

Many former buyers of the Leaf have indicated, they will never buy a Leaf ever again. I’ve read it many times on these comment sections.

Now try and find that for Tesla owners.

The LEAF was rated the one of the top 20 most reliable cars of the last decade by consumer reports. Thats not owner satisfaction surveys its reliability surveys. I used to have a Mazda racing car. I loved it. it was a POS car.

I would say that a constant trolling on some websites may have hurt sales but the cars speak for themselves. Outstanding quality.

Now is a great time if you can still snatch up a clearance on the 2018 models. I saw a 2018 SV in Birmingham for about $22 grand after incentives. If you use that car 20-80% most of the time it might last a lifetime. We just sold a 2012 model that only had 50k miles and 12 bars. I was washing it the other day for the lady and I was admiring how impeccable the paint quality was for a 8 year old car. perfect. really really good quality. The whole car is quality, but it is not a performance car, its an economical reliable family car. LEAF Leading Environmental, Affordable, Family car.

> We just sold a 2012 model that only had 50k miles and 12 bars.

Unfortunately, not everyone shares your excitment for the car. People spent $35,000 on it, and five years later, had to sell it for $10,000, with up to half the range missing.

With Tesla’s announcement, supercharger network access, OTA updates, the US leaders in this space (Leaf & Bolt) have lost significant relevancy. These two can cut prices, but they’ll need to be substantial and still not worth the hassle IMO. This is a pivotal point for the EV industry.

Yeah you can negotiate better prices with dealers, but it’s a yucky experience. Saving money is hard to pass up, though. Tough choice.

I live in Birmingham. I called a Nissan Dealer in Atlanta 15 years ago and saved almost $20,000 on a Titan Crew cab demo with about 100 miles on the odometer, it was the previous years model, every single bell and whistle. 2 hours later we bought it.

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)

I disagree with your comments. If you read what I’ve mentioned above, there is more than enough market for all these vendors to grow. You are also just talking about the US market and this movement is much bigger than this geography. It’s a global push and that’s what we need.

The Model 3 and Tesla will continue to do well, however so will all the others. They will all grow as they offer different choice for consumers. I know many people who would never buy a Tesla, so why should I as an EV adoption promoter try to push them into one? I’d rather see them in something with a plug than without and more choice can make that easier. Hope you can see this too.

The pivotal point you mentioned already happened March 31 2016. Tesla is becoming more of the one of many (not the only one) in this game, which is ok as the market opportunity is huge.

> I know many people who would never buy a Tesla.

Let’s see what they say now, now that a $35K M3 is available.

Only way the new Leaf can compete, if they drop their price by $10K.

A person would have to be insane to choose the new Leaf over the $35K M3!

I would never buy a Tesla because it is very expensive performance car. Been there done that. I bought a LEAF in 2011, last car I will ever need in my lifetime., best car i ever owned. I replaced the windshield a few months ago $312. For kicks I looked up the price for a Model S windshield thousands upon thousands of dollars, and you have to wait and wait and wait. I called Safeglass or whatever and they came out to my workplace and met me and replaced my windshield while I worked. I was so dern happy I got them to do the same for 15 yo Titan Crew Cab.

Each person needs to find the best car that suits their needs and stop slinging poop on the Nissan LEAF family car.

> I looked up the price for a Model S windshield thousands upon thousands of dollars

I checked. Yes, it’s expensive, but not thousands. $830 at the Tesla service center, and one of the reasons why it is expensive, is because the camera’s have to be re calibrated.

yeah I agree most every serious EV manufacturer has a waiting list now.

Raid kills bugs dead! So does the $35K Model 3 kills Leaf e-Plus dead! Dead!

Not sure why any semi intelligent being would say that. We need all the Evs to sell well. Not everyone can afford $50,000 EV performance cars.

Tesla 3 is $36K, cheaper than some Leaf e+ versions. And Tesla 3 comes with TMS, quicker, prettier, supercharger access. Most importantly, TM3 doesn’t come with free charging, which means car is actually good, unlike Leaf that is so awful that Nissan thinks won’t sell without free charging gimmick.

The whole point in the last couple days, is that it’s $35,000 now.

Anyway, you just wait and see what Leaf sales will be. They are certainly going to be affected by this.

I would love the Leaf to succeed, but I would never recommend an EV without a TMS, and at the same price as the M3, is just not competitive. Nissan has to step up their game, and produce a better EV.

Excellent cars, the best family cars. Families will enjoy these cars for generations. IF you can charge your LEAF or any EV in the 20-80% charge range it might last a lifetime. Save those 100% charges for trips to Grannys house.