Video: 5 Vehicles Looking to Steal Tesla’s Spark

FEB 19 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 32

Is Tesla’s spark soon to be stolen?

Knock Tesla Out of the Water...LoL

Knock Tesla Out of the Water…LoL

Bloomberg seems to think that there’s at least 5 vehicles out there that could steal some of Tesla’s spark.

While we agree with Bloomberg on some of its listed vehicles, there are others (Fiat 500e and Toyota FCEV) that simply make no sense in being mentioned in the same sentence with Tesla.

“When you think of a sexy eco-friendly car you probably think of Tesla. Bloomberg found five competitors that are stylish, eco-friendly and cost half the price of a Tesla… but do these cars have what it takes to steal Tesla’s spark?”

Sure, the BMW i8 will sway some potential Tesla Model S buyers, but not a Fiat.

What Bloomberg missed was the Model S’ only real competitor (in terms of price, performance, badge appeal and, to a lesser extent, its green cred) available to purchase nationwide today: the Porsche Panamera S E-Hybrid.

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Was that ad launched early? Was it intended for April 1st? The i8 IMO is a slightly different market that currently has some buyers going to Tesla so yes to the i8. Also Fisker which is not on the list may take a few. For the rest of that list, you really gotta be kidding.
Customer interview: ” Yeah it was a tough call but in the end the 500e won my heart and I couldn’t get the Model S in this orange…”

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Uh.. Yeah. First problem is that this guy thinks that anyone buying a Tesla is buying it for the sole purpose to be eco-friendly. If that were true, then I could see mentioning the Fiat 500 or the Toyota FCEV… But if that were the case then you would be better off mentioning the Nissan Leaf because it sells in much greater numbers than any of these other cars and is, dare I say, even more eco-friendly.

But as eco-friendly is NOT really the prime motive behind buying a Tesla, I think I can safely say the only real competitor shown was the BMW i8 and due to its price-tag, I’m not sure how much competition it will bring.

Problem is that way too many people think that people simply buy any EV or plug-in to be Eco friendly. They’re game changers, that’s no longer the sole reason. There are many others that take priority and we now have people choosing vehicles with plugs that could care less about the environment. It’s an interesting paradigm shift.

Tesla does not view it as “stealing”, but rather, “inspiring” others twards EV innovation and production…

Unfortunately, there are still too few automakers following suit in any serious way. The era of unappealing compliance cars must end. There is no technological barrier preventing the creation of desirable, long range electric vehicles anymore– it’s all a matter of politics and will.

The era of unappealing compliance cars will end when governments stop trying to legislate technology winners, causing the need for unappealing compliance cars.

Yep, that’s it – keep blaming policy makers for other people’s choices. The policies at issue require a percentage of sales to be zero-emission vehicles. Other policies require ever-higher fleet-wide efficiency. Nobody is “picking winners and losers”. The fact that the auto companies CHOOSE to make pathetic or half-decent compliance cars is their own fault. Nowhere have I found a clause in a law or rule requiring “half-assed, butt-ugly, 80-mile range or less EVs”. That conservative talk, blaming policy, is also the same political movement that claims to be all about personal responsibility for actions. Well, these people conveniently fail to consider these matters when talking about reactions to policy. As I just said above, the automakers are CHOOSING to make these compliance cars that people are complaining about. They did not have to do so. Any one of them, or all of them, could have made a Tesla, which would have been able to meet at least most, if not all, of their sales quotas – but they did not. They chose not to. Instead, they pissed away billions of dollars combined to lobby against any such regulations. Then, when that failed, the top brass continued their short-sighted decision… Read more »

5 cars that will need good luck

This guy works for Bloomberg but can’t count?

He says they found 5 alternative cars to a Tesla that are 1/2 the price. Then he lists 4 cars that are around $50K and one car that is $135K.

Tesla is a Bad A** car that happens is Electric, so it appeals to green buyers, car enthusiast and geeks. All the other cars are compliant or weird design unappealing.

What I like about the Tesla is its simplicity of design. Most other cars in its price range have more do dads to justify the cost. I am not an enviromentalist but I do care about the enviroment. I bought electric because of cost and I am an engineer and like the new game changing technology. Can’t wait till the cheaper Tesla comes out!

Soichiro Okudaira, chief officer of Toyota’s R&D group, told Automotive News Europe that lower production costs will make fuel-cell vehicles competitive with electric cars by 2030.

Toyota hopes to bring down the price of fuel cells down to $50k and the price of it’s 2015 fuel cell vehicle, Camry sized on the outside and Prius four seater sized on the inside, down to $99k base price.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1089085_hydrogen-fuel-cell-cars-price-competitive-with-electrics-by-2030-toyota-says

Ha! Competitive by 2030? Thanks, I needed a good laugh.

Ok, so here we have Toyota investing billions to make FCVs competitive with EVs in 16 years from now. Is that competitive with today’s EVs (e.g. Tesla), or with the EVs of 2030? I know Toyota is trying to prove here that FCVs will overtake EVs, but given the details of that article, it seems to me they are proving EVs will win for the next 2 decades, if not longer.

Toyota has not invested billions on fuel cell technology. My guess is that in total during the last 30 years, Toyota has spent less than 10 million dollars in fuel cell technology.

They have some sideline low priority research projects from fuel cells to cold fusion, but it is really much more than that.

Babcock and Wilcox has just entered into an agreement with Terra Power to develop a Gen IV ‘Traveling Wave Reactor’ which runs substantially on DU (dupleted Uranium). The daughter products (PU etc) are recycled on the fly, necessitating only a refueling once every 40 years. Some critics expert in the field (I’m not one of them) say control will be tricky.

It will also lower the Uranium price since the things run on the waste left over from processing at Padduca, KY for light water reactors, the value of which used to be less than zero, now, if this new reactor will work (various designs have been around since the 50’s), the value is around $100 trillion.

It also makes hydrogen very cheaply. Toyota must be banking on some future technology like this to make hydrogen cars viable. At the moment with current technology, I don’t see what the alure is.

More than 30 years ago when I worked on fuel cells, we said our fuel cells would be practical in 10 years. The joke was that 50 years ago, people were saying it would take them 10 more years to make their fuel cells practical. We were still working on them 10 years later. Now Toyota’s fuel cell vehicle will be competitive in 16 years. Given the history of commercial fuel cells, its not likely.

Even if they some how magically worked out the infrastructure, that particular Toyota is NOT going to compete with the Model S. It would be just like worrying about the ELR which did not make the list. Actually the ELR will take a few too, but not to any magnitude for Tesla to worry. Debating fuel cells in one argument, but that one? Give me a break.

Same red herring we’ve been hearing for decades. What a joke!

We’ll keep hearing it too, just so the ICE vehicle manufacturers can continue to profit on their existing car lines, service and maintenance.

Only means that come 5 years from now when a solid Tesla supercharging network is in place and their somewhat affordable sedan is out, they will be free to RULE the automotive world!!

But wait a minute. They want to bring the price down to $50k in order to be competitive with electric vehicles? But you can already buy an electric vehicle for nearly half that price, and a really nice one for the same price. So how with a $50K fuel cell vehicle compete with a Nissan Leaf or Chevy Volt?

Toyota’s reply would be has it can refuel much quicker than the NIssan Leaf , has more than 4x the range, and its fuel cell will last much longer than the Leaf’s battery pack..

Vs the Volt it is zero emissions all the time vs only the first 38 miles.

If we take into account the emissions it took to create the hydrogen and the price of a kg of hydrogen retail then…….

Car makers, other than Tesla, have a difficult time marketing their EVs. They could brag about the better “mileage”, less maintenance, and quietness, but then they make their ICE vehicles look bad. Nissan has been the only car manufacturer to really emphasize those points. Making their ICE vehicles look bad seems unimportant.

I’m really not convinced that buyers are shopping between and electric car (Tesla) and a gas car that can go a 20miles on a battery (i8, Fiskar). Your cruising around all quiet with huge torque chatting to your passenger, when all a sudden your eco friendly cool electric suddenly turns into a dino eating, exhaust spewing gas car? Both those cars are hybrids, a sporty Prius.
And the rest of the list, total nonsense. The i3 is the current closest competitor, but one is a tourer and one a commuter.

I agree, that is why I stated a different market. There is some overlap though. I do think the Karma and the i8 have more of a sports car look and that will appeal to some. Even the ELR will get some. As for the bulk market, the Model S will still dominate. But for the other 4 cars on this list, I am still stunned the talking head can say that with a straight face.

They really had to scrape to find 5 cars that vaguely fit the profile of EV, And when is the Toyota going to be realistic option for even a small fraction of the country? Elon doesn’t need to worry.

fail

nope nope nope nope and Nope

Even the i8 is not equivalent to the Model S – it is a plugin hybrid. It seats 4. It costs (a lot) more. It doesn’t have a Supercharger network.

Well, technically the i8 does have a “supercharger network” – it’s called a gas station.

But otherwise, you’re right, it’s a 4 seat super car. The Model S is a full size sedan with loads of space (and hence utility)/

I wonder if, whoever authored this article, had any idea of the lambasting it would receive here?
This article reminds me of pulling taffy when I was a kid. Two people stand in the center of the room facing each-other with the taffy, in hand, between them. Next they walk backwards away from each-other and S-T-R-E-T-C-H the taffy. What that process does to taffy this article does to journalism. It’s a STRETCH.

What this video forgets is that the Tesla has a 200 mile plus battery range and they are planning on raising that to 300 miles range next year. On top of that they have a system of super chargers to fill these cars up very fast which is also feeding into Tesla’s power The Cars they showed here most of them can’t go more then 80 miles without recharging and on top of that half these cars the car companies don’t even want to make.

All but the Fiat can go more than 80 miles without stopping. They just use an ancient “supercharging” technology called gasoline. As much as we love EVs here, we have to remember that once they target mainstream buyers, they are very much in competition with gasoline/hybrid/PHEV vehicles.

Crapy video…