Leak: Upgraded Hyundai IONIQ Electric & PHEV Coming In 2019

JAN 19 2019 BY MARK KANE 81

Hyundai IONIQ Electric will be more appealing this summer

Hyundai is going to introduce facelifted and upgraded plug-in IONIQ models this year, according to leaked info. The new Plug-In Hybrid is expected in July 2019, while the 2020 IONIQ Electric will hit the market in September.

The graphic with a Hyundai logo shows the 38.3 kWh, which compared to current 28 kWh pack would be an improvement of 37%.

The range on the NEDC test cycle is expected to be 378 km (235 miles), which is 35% more than about 280 km (174 miles) previously. The more realistic WLTP would be obviously less.

Applying the same 35% increase in range to 124 miles (199.5 km) EPA, we would get 168 miles (270 km) EPA.

The other general changes would be:

  • minor exterior changes (including front, rear and wheels)
  • minor interior changes (including new infotainment)

We don’t know yet whether the 9.8 kWh battery in IONIQ Plug-in Hybrid also will be increased by 35% to over 13 kWh and how much the range of 29 miles (47 km) EPA will increase eventually.

Source: goingelectric.de/forum via pushevs.com

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A 2020 model with less than 200 miles range? O.o? They better consider cutting its price.

Why is 200 miles the magic number? Many people will find ~160 miles to be sufficient and don’t want to pay more for a larger battery along with the structural changes of the body that entails.

I also think there is a market for 150-200 mile BEVs that are priced competitively with ICE vehicles. Many people either have multiple vehicles (in our case model 3 LR + 2018 Leaf) or don’t take road trips often enough to warrant paying a lot extra for a big battery. Finally outside of the US west coast the CCS infrastructure is thin on the ground and a long way from catching up to Tesla’s SC network. So, even if I owned a 250+ mile CCS BEV I wouldn’t be road tripping in it anyway so why pay for all the extra range? I would much rather see a 150 mile BEV CRV/RAV4/Equinox/Escape (these vehicles are white hot in the US) with 150 miles of ranged priced in the mid-30s than a 250+ mile version priced north of 40K.

I’ll see you and raise you one: there’s also a huge potential market for <150 mile BEVs. Just think of all these 2-car households. How often to both cars need to travel long distances in the same day? And even when it happens, a quick QC stop (on that once-in-a-blue-moon occasion) takes care of it.

Very soon, short-range BEVs will cost so little, it would make zero sense for such households to have 2 ICE at home if they can charge overnight. If you count used BEVs, this is already the situation.

The main problem is consumer awareness and perception.

Disclaimer: we've been living with a <150 mile BEV as our *only* car since 2015. So we know from experience how ridiculously easy it would be with a 2-car household.

The second car is often a pick up with most Americans. Something like a Tacoma with maybe 150 miles range, for $30k ish, would be the bees knees.

Don’t you mean an ‘Electric Tacoma’??? 🙂 🙂

Sadly, pickup trucks are not very aerodynamic, and they are heavy. 150 mile range would require an 80kWh battery to achieve. That’s well outside of $30k territory, unless LG Chem can hurry up and add that extra 90GWh/year factory capacity…..

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While you are right that there are valid *uses* for <150 mile BEVs, the truth is that — for whatever reasons — there is no meaningful *market* for them… As Nissan had to learn the hard way.

Nissan is still selling at a decent rate outside the US. I think the reason they’re not selling more is that they chose not to advance the tech (no TMS primarily, but also insufficient efficiency). I suspect at the moment they’re very busy with the corporate L’Affaire Ghosn.

I agree. Even our 60Mi (100km) iMiEV serves us well for a second car – at least in the summer 😎. People buy cars, driven by “fashion”, not what they really need the car for.

The problem is that with battery prices coming down, the cost difference between a 150 mile EV and a 250 mile EV is not actually all that large any more — much less then the difference in price people are willing to pay… Which means that longer-range EVs are way easier to make profitable.

This situation will improve when more models are offered with several battery options, so the entry variants can be sold with only a slim margin, while the larger battery variants with a huge price premium generate the profit. But as long as most models are offered with only one battery option, the trend will continue to go towards larger batteries rather than lower prices.

What specific cars are you thinking of?
What you say will be true in 3 years (we all hope (-: ), but we’re far from there yet. In practice, in a given market, the difference between a 150mi and 250mi BEV which are otherwise comparable is more like $10K, and maybe will be a bit above $5K in a year’s time (cost to customer after incentives).That’s a big difference in the automotive sector.
Note that so far even the recent wave of luxury BEVs don’t reach 250mi EPA (i-Pace, Audi e-Tron, Mercedes EQx). Maybe the Taycan will — which is almost a year from now.

I don’t think there is an issue with 160 miles not being enough for many people. Rather, the price will need to be set lower in order to compete with 200+ mile range vehicles. People often want the best bang for the buck. If I wanted to buy a laptop, and between two similar machines, one had more memory, I would likely go with the one that had more memory (a better deal even if I dont “need” the memory)

The closest city with electric vehicle charging is 260km and in the other direction (east) its 400km. North good luck and south you cant drive unless you first go west. A Canadian problem but its actually not possible to go anywhere. Tesla m3 lr can do it and sr will be taking a big risk in the winter.

If you’ve got electricity at home, then you have electric vehicle charging. (Okay, I acknowledge that this is a flippant response and doesn’t solve the road trip angle, but this car isn’t intended for road trips). More seriously, in the longer term, this kind of range anxiety is going to transfer into a problem for ICE vehicles. People in rural areas may be the last to buy EVs due to these range problems. But in the more populated areas, EVs are going to take off very rapidly. They’re already doing so, but give it another three years and and it will really be noticeable. This will have just as rapid an effect on the profitability of gas stations. In countries like Norway, where EVs are already pushing toward half of all cars sold, gas stations are already starting to close down. The more EVs there are, the quicker this will happen. At the same time, fuel costs will start to fluctuate. At first they’ll drop as supply begins to exceed demand, but as that becomes a permanent thing the oil companies will have to reduce supply, which will mean higher prices as they try to squeeze the same profits out… Read more »

If I drive 200 miles here in the northeast US, I can go through 6 states with a population greater than the entire population of Canada, twice over. 160 miles works fine for us.

I’m saying at its current price, with under 200 miles range it isn’t very competitive.

So they either need to up the range or lower the price.

Do you even know the car or the current price?

Seems like a steal to me. In California you are getting a great high tech car that costs under $20,000 after all the rebates/credits. And it doesn’t even take gasoline. The total cost of ownership is probably less than the cheapest cheap ICE car….Mitsubishi Mirage territory.

My point exactly. The car is well worth it.

Until VW makes true on their promise of selling the Neo at the price of a diesel Golf, a Ioniq at the current price point (<$30,000) but with 160 miles range would actually be perfectly competitive with the likes of the 150 mile Leaf. (All the 200+ mile models available right now or in the near future are significantly more expensive.)

” Until VW makes true on their promise of selling the Neo at the price of a diesel Golf ”

VW talked about an well equipped Golf = 30-40K

What is it with these people that don’t care about 150+ mile range? If we don’t innovate, how do we improve? Just because some people don’t need the range, most of us do. If 150+ range is more than you need, then don’t buy it. The rest of us will.

150 miles should be in $20k-30k range

The actual sales price of the Leaf already is before rebates in the US at least. After cash on the hood and 0% for 72 month financing our loaded SL was high 20s net with sales tax and before any tax rebates/credits. I think if Nissan lowered the MSRP to the sales price the Leaf would sell better. But, that would require dealerships going with the Tesla sales price = list price model.

The high end cars will improve. This is a great car for moderate commute. I can take this to visit my family 230km away. If they upgrade the CCS fast charging too it is a great car for the money.
Tesla, Porsche, Audi will improve the range etc. It’s almost like with ICE cars where the luxury/sportscars will be more advanced then the Renault Clio/ VW Touran. And they can do it here too, let the big luxury cars improve the range and tech and let these cars be cheaper for the normal people. Then that bigger range will come to the cheaper cars in time. For example parking sensors are now almost standart on every car you can buy, it was very different a few years ago.

If all EV are about 160 miles range, what you say is true. But when just $2K more can buy 90 extra miles, 160 miles is lacking.

Not every single product in a market needs to be high-performance. Once there enough competing models, it’s pretty natural for there to be a lot of points along the price/performance curve.
A 170mi Ioniq is fine as a “regional” car — capable of 120mi days (including trips) even in winter without charging, and given the decent CCS charging rate, makes a lot of sense for people who only do longer road trips 3-4 times a year. I suspect many would rather pay $20K for one (post-incentives) than $25-30K for a longer-range car.

I am living with 107miles Leaf 2016 and I assume that some of it alredy degraded (hopefully not much!) but still 200 miles would be awesome, since I would have to do less charging which would result in less battery cycles = more longevity and I could actually do longer trips in my country

I really hope that after my Leaf retires in approx 6 – 8 years there will be 300 miles range cars for the same price

I think that if someone made 110mile range car today it could cost only 25k with VAT and before incentives, however noone is trying to do that because people think it’s not enough which is funny becuse back in the day it used to be the only option, but still I like that the prices are kept approx the same and the range is increasing

The Ioniq EV is the most efficient EV to date. But there is something wrong in this early estimate. In normal weather conditions it can do 200 km @ 100km/h with the 28kWh battery, even EPA states that. So +33% increase in the battery would give +300 km easily, and that is just 200 miles. I’m european but I think i did it right…..
Correction: Most people here report a consumption of 12kWh/100km not 14 as EPA. That’s the key.
Anyway I expected 45 kWh battery to be closer to 400km

Adding 35% to the current 200 km according to EPA, gives 270 km of range. Sure, that could translate to +300 km with gentle driving, but let´s not compare apples and oranges.

I am European too but I know 300 km is not just 200 miles. Precisely only 186.4 miles.

Furthermore how do you get 50% more range “easily” with only 33% more battery ?

It depends on lighter weight and greater LiPo battery density

Further, I believe EPA includes charging losses which could account for most of the difference from reported consumption.

No, the 2019 has that range. The 2020 has a longer range.
Hyundai stated they will offer an upgrade of EV models every 2 years.

It is expected that the 2020 model will have about 400km + range . .

The most important question is, are they going to make enough?

So they are not doing a 64 kWh version? Is that a joke? Either way it is not funny…

No, it’s not a joke. Perhaps it’s nothing more or less than a company realizing they shouldn’t try to target the same consumer subset with every car they make.

As other pointed out upthread, there is definitely a market for 150-200 mile EVs, especially in multi-car households. This is exactly the situation my wife and I have, and our 150-mile EV is a perfect match for our needs. And after state and federal incentives, it cost us what a mid-range Civic would have, even before taking into account all the O&M cost savings people on this site can recite from memory.

So far, Hyundai/Kia are doing an exceptional job of dealing with the EV disruption. The one caveat, as always, is production volume and availability.

The Ioniq with ~165 mile range and excellent efficiency and fast charging will be a pretty sweet EV. Until they prove otherwise, though, I would be concerned about reliability.

On a related note: the Bolt scored an excellent 5/5 on reliability for 2018. Way to go Chevy/GM, now let’s crank up the volume and get a couple of variants on the road!

I need a reliable, long lasting 100 miles of range through the mountains in the winter – for my weekend job. I don’t trust Leaf enough to believe the 40 kWh battery would do it. I think this might be perfect. Curious – there seems to be lack of information about the Battery & TMS for Ioniq. Liquid cooled? Problems with premature battery failure?

It is currently forced air cooled.

The current model seems to have active air cooling. Since the newer Hyundai/Kia models all have liquid cooling (including the 38 kWh pack variants AFAIK), I would assume that the new model would go that route as well…

I somehow doubt it. Going from air to liquid cooling means huge changes to the car that aren’t practicable without a fundamental redesign. See the Leaf. But even with air cooling, the Ioniq does pretty well. It’s so efficient that it doesn’t need to draw many amps from the battery, hence reduced cooling requirements.

One must remember when calculating mileage the amount when the car is new is the maximum it will do…batteries lose range over time and charges. Many Leafs lose 15% of their range after 30,000 miles of easy usage.

A 150 mile car may be more like a 125 mile car under use. True, not all cars are as bad as my Nissan Leaf; but, they all lose range over time to some degree.

True, and if you are not in the Goldilocks zone you lose more range too. About 25% off the normal mileage if it’s really cold, and if too hot you must use air conditioning which consequently lowers mileage you typically get.

Looking at actual sales figures, clearly the market for 200+ mile EVs is much larger than the market for 150 mile EVs. The idea that Hyundai is handicapping the Ioniq on purpose for market differentiation, is frankly pretty ridiculous. (As if the Ioniq, being an entirely different form factor, would need artificial differentiation of that kind…)

Much more likely, it’s simply a matter of available space.

If the price reflects the range, I’m good with their choise. If not I can go for an even cheaper and shorter range EV.

Makes a lot of sense that it’s a space-available restriction (recall the e-Niro / Kona are CUV style, so relatively high off the ground). OTOH, it’s perfectly possible they want to keep the Ioniq as the less-expensive EV model.
(I still don’t understand where they found space for the 64kWh battery in the upcoming Soul…)

Also, Hyundai/Kia thus far aren’t actually doing *anything* to deal with the EV disruption. They are only offering a bunch of low-volume compliance models to deal with mandates, not with disruption.

Americans keep saying this like they’re the only country in the world that matters.

The ‘I only know what goes on in the US’ is really starting to get on my nerves and I’m an American.

In December, EVs made >5% of Hyundai’s sales (I think it’s about the same for Kia); 3% over all of 2018. AFAIK, that’s better than any volume carmaker except BMW & Tesla, including better than Renault or Nissan.

Hyundai-Kia have certainly been doing more R&D than Nissan/Renault, who still have only two EV models (Zoé & LEAF) (and 2 BEV conversion VANs, granted), not to speak of the several PHEVs (of which Nissan/Renault have zilch.)

Hyundai / Kia has already two 64 kWh cars and a third one is coming this year. So aren’t you the one joking ?

So what does this mean for Australia, where the existing Ioniq range was launched for the *first time* last month? Will we get a new Ioniq only six months later, or will we be getting a two year delay on this refresh as well?
Same applies to the 2017 Leaf (which will not be available in Australia until 2nd half of this year – just before the 3.ZERO becomes available internationally.

Better and better!

Isn’t this pretty much a unicorn in the US?

Any hint they will be increasing production as well as battery size?

They increased supply a bit in CA…and have a very good lease running right now.

But that’s the land of Unicorns, and Rainbows.

So? Come out into the sunshine….

Did a cars.com search for the IONIQ electric and it came back with 107 for sale within all miles of me. 107, across the entire US,…

Check Autotrader, i found 151 new cars within 100 miles of 91709. Anyway, there are more than these websites list.

“168 miles (270 km) EPA”

That could be a very realistic and a very practical range for many people.

The price will be a very important factor as well. The success will depend on the price.

It’s a success if they sell just enough to fulfil mandates, while keeping losses to a minimum. Assuming they don’t hike the price significantly over the current model, it’s virtually certain to be a success, in the sense that there will again be more people willing to buy it than they need to sell.

I think 170miles is plenty of range for most people. Hopefully price will be competitive. Most people commute 40 miles or less per day. Depending where you live, you might not be able to do road trips easily, but if that’s the case, you have other evs with bigger range to choose from. And if you have access to fast chargers, Ioniq can easily charge up to 70kw of power. Don’t know if they will increase to 100Kw with the new model.

There are rumors that says Hyundai wants to put 200hp Kona motor in the Ioniq as a performance model.
I’m gonna wait for Hyundai to release the official specs as I’m interested in this car. I like my first gen Volt, but i’m ready to go full electric now. I’m usually 95% of the time electric anyways so might as well ditch the engine and go full electric.

A car I couldn’t use 30 days a year would not be practical. PHEV version though is good compromise.

You choose a car based on your needs. 30 days a year is like 8%. So 92% of the year the Ioniq ev would be enough.

Ill believe it when i see it. Where i live, the previous U
N improved one never arrived for sale, ontario, canada.

It seems safe to presume that the PHEV will get a corresponding increase in range, right?

That would be appealing to those of us who use a PHEV to get over the problem of having to do very infrequent long trips.

In our family’s case, given our proximity to work and daily errand destinations, a PHEV is just right, and we hardly ever buy gas (–maybe 3 times in 2018?). However, an extended range would allow us to better even this.

Too bad our lease (on a C-MAX) is coming up before July 2019. So we’ll be looking at the current Ioniq PHEV, the Kia Niro PHEV, and the new Crosstrek PHEV (which has a pretty miserable electric range unfortunately).

If they only produce it in bigger numbers… you have the best affirdable EV. Good fast-charging and effiency with enough range.

Will the exterior changes include any improvements to rear visibility? The only real problem I had with the Ioniq during the few times I drove one (both the EV and PHEV) is that, from the driver’s seat, the view out the rear windshield feels like you’re inside a telescope. It doesn’t look like it should be that bad from the outside of the car. But so much of the rear windshield is taken up by that black, laminate material which frames the edges of the windshield that, once you get in the car, the view is annoyingly poor.

Otherwise, an excellent car.

Why would someone release a sub-300 mile EV in 2020? As many are now finding out, a 300 mile rating means 225-250 real miles in winter, which is really the number that matters and should be stated on window stickers.

EV’s should have a Summer/Winter rating as it does drastically affect the range. Maybe have EPA add that to window sticker for EV’s.

Becuase not everyone needs that kind of range. More Batteries add cost and weight.

Most of the world population does not live in cold climates. More relevant, anyone buying an EV based on a single range number is an idiot anyway (window stickers are for idiots, like a lot of US dumbed-down “consumer” info)
And this is slated to be released (apparently, news was unofficial rumor) Fall 2019, not 2020. Atthat time there will not be more than 5 EVs with a 300mi EPA range, and none will cost <$50K.

Be great if PHEV Ioniq upped its EV range from 29 to 50 miles to compete directly with the Honda Clarity’s 48 miles. Ioniq hybrids get 52 miles per gallon in gas/hybrid mode vs. Clarity’s 42 mpg, so getting closer on EV at the expense of gas mpg due the weight, 48 vs. 42 would give the Ioniq a big advantage.

Again, the average US commute is 29 miles per day. The Chevy Volt’s battery range was designed to cover this range, and the Ioniq has plenty more. I’d say it is a perfect commuter car, and the saved weight makes it much more efficient. I’d get one but they are vaporware in my state.

Compliance vehicle, yawn.

Predictable Yankee-centric comment, yawn

Interesting what upgrades they got for Sonata PHEV/Optima PHEV? As a current owner I’d love to see 49 miles EV range too

168 More miles than the fantastic and never existing 35.000 model 3.

It looks to me like you guys all all missing a very big point. You all totally ignore PHEVs. Some idiot last week tried to compare PHEVs with smoking and said, “ driving one is like not smoking at home but smoking on vacation. You are still a smoker and have not quit”. The fallacy in this statement is that not everyone wants to join the total all electric EV crusade. I am not trying to quit anything!!!! I drive my Ioniq PHEV for days and even weeks at a time when the ICE never runs. I just want to be able to go 600 miles when I choose to. I easily get 35 to 38 all electric miles around the city and I almost never need that range on a daily basis. I plug in at night with a standard 120 volt outlet in my garage for about 50 cents if it is totally depleted. (which is seldom). Even when travelling, I drive on all electric in the cities I pass thru because I simply switch from hybrid to charge mode when I am 55 minutes out from any upcoming city and I am fully recharged again in 50… Read more »