U.S. Now With Almost 600 DC CHAdeMO Quick Chargers

MAR 19 2014 BY MARK KANE 27

One of the latest NRG eVgo Freedom Station

One of the latest NRG eVgo Freedom Station

The latest official number of DC quick chargers with CHAdeMO plugs in the U.S. was released by CHAdeMO Association on 19 March: 592.

This means there’s been an improvement over the 554 in late January and confirms that the average pace of installation is now lower than 1 per day.

Global number of CHAdeMOs points in now over 3,643, up from 3,511 almost two months ago (averaging ~3 installations per day worldwide).

The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 3,643.
  (Japan 1,967 Europe 1072 USA 592 Others 12) last update 2014.03.19

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Again, a fraction of Japan’s, even though Japan is about the size of California.

Japan’s largest island Honshu is half the size of California.

It is quite amazing that there’s still no ChaDeMo path between LA and Bay Area.

eVGO are working on that, right? What about Nissan dealerships – say, their San Luis Obispo or Passo Robles ones?

No, NRG / eVgo is not working on a connection between SF and LA. They are obligated to 200 stations in LA, SD, SF and the Central Valley (roughly Sacramento to Bakersfield). These areas weren’t planned because they were the best locations for chargers, but because these are the areas that were harmed during the electric utility scandal of over a decade ago, hence the California agreement. NRG/EVgo Deal: https://www.evgonetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/11/NRG-Leave-Behind-1-EV-Infrastructure-Agreement-4-27-12-FINAL.pdf Initially all Freedom Stations shall have one (1) or more DC Fast Chargers compatible with the CHAdeMo Standard and one (1) Level 2 Charger compatible with the SAE Standard. Upon the occurrence of (A) approval by SAE for a charger standard for DC Fast Chargers and (B) the commercial availability from at least two (2) unaffiliated manufacturers of one or more DC Fast Chargers that are SAE Standard compatible or equipment capable of making the Freedom Stations’ DC Fast Chargers compatible with both the SAE Standard and the CHAdeMo Standard (and in each case that are approved by the Nationally Recognized Testing Laboratories), then NRG shall have six (6) months to complete the modification of all installed Freedom Stations to include at least one (1) SAE Standard compatible DC Fast… Read more »
SAE Combo Chargers are winding up….. So far I see 6 SAE Combo chargers between CA and AZ, with 1 at a VW dealership and 1 eVgo. The Quail Hill Mall has 2 SAE Combo Chargers. GoE3 has a SAE Combo charger in AZ and plans for 1,000 installs over the next 4 years. With VW scheduled to install SAE Combo Chargers at all their dealerships to support the e-Golf, that’s at least 600 there. With about 300 for Audi dealerships. Than add another 500 for BMW/Mini dealerships. Not able to announce before announcing the SAE Combo Charger for the 2015 Focus Electric, Ford should be adding another 600+ SAE Combo chargers at Certified Electric dealerships separate from the Workplace Charging plan. Dealerships already have about 1700 L2 chargers. Not expecting GM to launch SAE Combo Chargers nationwide until the Spark goes National. But dealers in CA and Oregon should get chargers this year. So we are looking at about 3,000 SAE Combo Quick Chargers between dealerships and public stations over the next 4 years. This is not including Tesla who WILL be installing SAE Combo Charging plugs at Tesla Superstations nationwide during that same time period, to support VW/Audi/Ford/BMW/Mini/GM… Read more »

I got to hand it to you… at least your consistent.

No, GM isn’t going to go “nationwide” with Spark EV… that’s from GM in the last 48 hours. No plan whatsoever.

NO, Tesla isn’t going add CCS or CHAdeMO to their Supercharger stations, any more than Nissan and BMW dealers will add Superchargers.

Anyhoo, you get the idea. I think you struck out on that one, but I’ll be looking for your over-the-top predictions in the future.

I think a much more interesting number is how many of those are NOT located at Nissan Dealerships. Assuming Tesla ships the chademo adapter, I would never go to a dealer unless I was completely desperate. Multiple reasons: a) non-Nissans are not welcome at a lot of them, b) they generally aren’t convenient to where I’m going and c) they tend to not have things like coffee shops nearby. (and no, I do not like dealership waiting room coffee)

By the way, I believe that the answer to my question is “not many” (I’d wager less than 200) and that only 3 states have the majority of those (WA, OR and Tenn).

Yeah and by what I understand you can often only use them during business hours and you need to search around for the person who has the keycard to activate it (and hope they are in the office and not on break).

I think it varies by location. Ones in large metro areas are more restricted-access. AFAIK the dealership ones in small towns along highways are 24/7 (which means also that any EV can use them).

Many can be activated with a plain-vanilla Chargepoint card (and remain free), or don’t even need a fob, just plug in.

Their contactless cardreader bears Mastercard/Visa/AmEx logos too, so presumably those would also work if Nissan decided to require payment at some point.

I don’t know about the rest of the country.. But here in Dallas/Ft.Worth we have 30-some-odd Chademo stations and only maybe 3 of them are at Nissan dealers.

Could we get some in Canada? Still only one in Ontario, and too far for my iMiEV to reach it…

The DC fast-charger situation in the USA is a disaster and Tesla is completely benefiting from it. We have a stupid standards war between Chademo and SAE-Combo, hardly anyone is installing new chargers, and the chargers that exist are often broken or not available 24/7.

I thought Tesla was foolish for going it alone but they turned out to be 100% correct. With a big battery and just a few superchargers, you don’t need the public DC fast-charger network.

Agreed. At this point Nissan just needs to speed up its delivery of 120-mile range BEVs, rather than wait for the ChaDeMo network to thicken.

Although some prodding of their small-town dealerships in critical areas like Central California, is in order.

Speaking of, how many SAE-Combo/CCS plugs are out there?

What war?!

It Looks Like – at least in Canada – anyway, your best bet for DCQC’s is now http://www.suncountryhighway.ca since they also have the fastest Level 2 Chargers, and now the ABB Terra 53 CHAdeMO / CCS Chargers available!

“hardly anyone is installing new chargers”

Besides eVgo, Nissan, Aerovironment, Chargepoint, CarCharging and surely many other ones I forget or don’t know about, yeah, I guess… [rolls eyes]

The whole point of this article (thanks Mark!) was the continued increase in the number of CHAdeMO stations in the US and elsewhere, did you even notice?
Did your brain also freeze when seeing this other one a few days ago maybe? http://insideevs.com/pace-construction-nrg-evgos-california-electric-vehicle-infrastructure-increases/

Or (hey, maybe that’s it) did you mean “new charger” as in SAE CCS?
In this case, yes, save for eVgo in California, you’d be right indeed. It’s not surprising. Why put those up when the only cars that could use them are low-volume and from manufacturers openly dismissive of EVs (GM’s Volt ads, VW’s Neusser comments) or the infrastructure (BMW’s Herbert Diess)?

I share spec9’s pessimism. While it’s not that no new FCDC chargers are being put in, there is no comprehensive plan. There are places like OR and WA that have sort of put in a planned network (and I guess DFW as well, thanks David) but most of the efforts are quite scatter shot.

Compare that Tesla’s well thought out and executed to date plan for a national Supercharger network and you will see that the chademo roll out is simply unimpressive, at best.

Comparing CHAdeMO and Tesla is like comparing e.g. diesel and Chevron, or Android and Apple: they’re completely different things. One is a specification anyone can implement and use, the other is a single company. Just like there seems to be “no plan” when it comes to where gas stations are located, or which smartphone comes next, individual companies (Shell, Chevron, Samsung, LG etc) surely have. Same thing for each charging network operator (Chargepoint, Blink/CarCharging, eVgo…). Their customers are people charging, not people buying cars, so they have a direct incentive to install stations where they will actually get used, not just make a nice-looking field of dots on a map. But yes, as those companies roll out QCs almost simultaneously in some areas, if you only look at the aggregate, currently there tends to be clumps around populated, EV-friendly places… Just as, I suspect, early gas stations were in progressive cities and maybe along a few popular routes; or early Android phones had similar specs and didn’t cover a vast spectrum of sizes, capabilities and price points. We all know how it ended up. I personally much prefer this approach, leaving it to multiple, independent companies to fight for the… Read more »

io – the Tesla Standard – is the Standard only for Tesla Vehicles – only because no one else’s car could handle the power delivery rate (90kW – 120 or 135 kW) and also – they don’t want to capitulate – and buy into Tesla’s QC Standard, but – they could! Tesla has said it will make the format available to others!

Tesla’s connector is not a “standard” any more than whatever one-of-a-kind power inlet you might have on your laptop. Sure it works… only with that one product (or line of products) from that one manufacturer.

You suggest that some other manufacturer(s) should make itself dependent on a proprietary, closed infrastructure entirely under the exclusive control of their competitor. Hmm, no wonder none has taken on that offer, because that doesn’t seem like a very smart move.
Imagine Ford producing vehicles which need to be fueled or serviced at Honda stations only, because none else (not even Ford) can legally do so. Not going to happen.

FYI re charge rates, the Soul EV can accept 100 kW, with a battery 3x smaller than a Model S. Even a Leaf or i-MiEV sports higher C rates than anything Tesla offers.
Yes, they have some great product, but it’s not based on some alien tech none else can even remotely dream to master: commercial 18650 cells… “just” thousands of them, in a very desirable package.

So tell me. Do you really think that all big 3 US car companies and all the German car companies are going to look at 600 Chademo chargers and raise the white flag and switch?

They don’t need to switch when they either don’t produce an EV of any kind, or only produce low volume cars without quick charging (Mercedes B-Class ED), or just meet regulatory requirements (GM Spark EV, VW eGolf).

Chrysler is now majority owned by foreign car maker Fiat, and is moving there headquarters to Europe. Fiat is not a member of the Combo plug consortium, nor is most manufacturers in the world. Ford has no plans to do anything with Combo, as their regulatory compliance car also has no quick charge of any kind.

Do I expect GM, Ford and Chrysler (not really American anymore, but whatever) to switch from SAE CCS to CHAdeMO? You tell me, should Dell and IBM stop making top-load cloth washers and switch to front-loads? These question are pointless: those companies have no such product, and no plan to make one. [Yes, GM sells the Spark EV, but in very small numbers and strictly as compliance car, and has no public plan to offer another EV; Ford has the Focus Electric, but won’t make a quick-charge-capable version nor another EV; Fiat, owner of Chrysler, is openly anti-EV and only builds the 500e for compliance, with no quick-charge option.] GM even sees EVs as a threat apparently, and has been lobbying accordingly, against CHAdeMO and Tesla (http://insideevs.com/tesla-motors-state-state-dealer-battle-interactive-map-via-automotive-news/#comment-404670), so as it has apparently no intention of coming up with an EV of its own, I strongly question its motives behind its support for SAE CCS. That leaves us with the Germans. Daimler has partnered with Tesla and doesn’t support CCS (nor even QC, for that matter), remain the VW group and BMW. There, frankly, I don’t know. At least part of Europe seems poised to end up with triple-standard quick-chargers, so… Read more »

The frustrating part is that it’s PAINFULLY obvious that the CCS Combo1 & 2 consortium are waging a purely economic war, since they will offer the CHAdeMO plug for at least BMW and VW in places where the battle is lost, like Japan.

Now that CHAdeMO is officially a worldwide standard, there is no excuse to not offer it here in the USA except except for the consortium’s losing war.

It’s not that the battle is ‘lost’, as there was no battle. It’s just that CHAdeMo is the Japanese standard, so it’s expected automakers offer a plug for that standard in that country. Just like they have to make other automobile modifications to meet the requirements of a country. Which is why it’s obvious and that Nissan will soon move to SAE CCS with the next gen MY2017 Leaf in the U.S as the infrastructure builds out. While keeping the Japanese standard in their much smaller market Japan. Unlike some enthusiasts, automakers are not ‘married’ to a DC charging standard, all they care about is having an infrastructure to support the product they want to sell. Nissan was just first to the rodeo and brought their own feed because no one was selling. But now that the big guys have arrived, there is no longer a need for Nissan to bring their own lunch. With most all major auto manufacturers already on board with SAE CCS, it would be a wasted effort for Nissan to stand alone against the soon to be massive SAE CCS infrastructure and plug-in products coming to compete. But the great part is most of the… Read more »

Yawn… blah, blah. I think the last time you suggested that the dominant LEAF was going to succumb to the GM and German charger consortium was going to be 2015. You just add years every few months? Like hydrogen cars, it’s the future, and always will be?

Protocol ………. US Deployed . World Deployed . US Cars . Worldwide Cars
Frankenplug …….. 6 ……………………. 30 ………… 100 ……… 500 … (moribund)
CHAdeMO ……… 600 ………………. 3,700 ………. 50,000 …… 130,000 (growing fast)
Supercharger …. 700 …………………. 750 ………… 35,000 ….. 45,000 (extreme growth)

I sse that Ohio is still the largest state, population wise, to not have a single CHAdeMO station.

There was a report of one or two Nissan dealers getting CHAdeMO there. Was it false, or did they choose not to list their units on plugshare?