Turns Out There Are Lots Of Tesla Chargers In China

MAY 29 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 26

It seems as though virtually every article out there on Tesla’s woes in China mention lack of charging stations as the primary reason why Model S sales there are lower than expected.

Well, as Teslarati discovered, there are plenty of Tesla charging stations in China.  Check out the map above for proof.  The bigger circles represent Superchargers, while the smaller ones are Tesla destination chargers.

It’s probably time to declare that lack of charging stations is not the reason why Model S sales are below expectations in China.  Here’s a solid explanation as to why Tesla struggles in China and we also explain what can be done to resolve the issue.

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26 Comments on "Turns Out There Are Lots Of Tesla Chargers In China"

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offib

A destination charger? Never heard of it. I presume it’s just a far smaller station, with 2 or 3 charging bays?

Sublime

It’s Level 2 charging, I believe 10kW.

Sublime

20kW actually (if you have the dual charger option)

MorrisonHiker

Basically a destination charger is usually an HPWC that is rated at 100 amps (charging at 80 amps). They can charge at about 58 miles per hour if you have dual chargers installed in your car. Typically they are installed in hotels or places where people will spend several hours. Individuals can install them at their homes as well.

Speculawyer

“A destination charger? Never heard of it.”

Really? Tesla has been growing their destination charger network quite a bit but it doesn’t get nearly as much attention as the supercharger network.

Basically, lots of hotels have installed Tesla 20KW chargers as a way to attract Tesla drivers and let them charge up overnight.

Its a smart idea . . . it allows hotels to attract valuable Tesla-owner customers, it reduces the strain on the super-charger network, it lets people use their overnight stay during a long trip as a time to charge, etc.

Ed

Destination charging is Tesla’s name for HPWCs that are donated to destinations such as hotels, resorts, tourist attractions. There are usually one or two at a location and they’re usually for guests of the establishment only. It’s 40-80A charging depending on the the capacity of the circuit it’s installed on and whether the car has single or dual chargers. Click the small circles on this map on Tesla web site “find us” page for details of each charging station. The locations also show up in the car navigation system.

wavelet

I’m curious re destination chargers & the Tesla range & charger-aware nav system…

How can the system take these chargers into account? Whether or not an owner has access to a specific charger seems to depend on a variety of factors (e.g., if it’s at a hotel, whether s/he’s has booking there that day).

Jeff Songster

I would guess that corruption and incompetent staff was at least partially responsible. Also the NIH syndrome. Not Invented Here. The Chinese cars are selling well… but not the Japanese Nissans or American Teslas.

Robert

Well if the Chinese brought over their cars I know enough being in the auto parts sector for 20 plus years not to buy one. So I don`t really hold it against the Chinese people for not trusting Tesla & not buying them.

Lensman

The problem with Chinese quality control, or lack thereof, is likely the main reason that in general, non-domestic make automobiles sell so well in China.

But there’s a special case with plug-in EVs. The Chinese government has mandated that (as I recall) 30% of cars purchased for government use must be alternative energy vehicles, which includes PEVs. Naturally, the Chinese government is buying only domestic makes, and not foreign-make luxury cars. Presumably PEVs which are part of a government fleet don’t have the problem that private citizens have, the problem of not being able to access a dedicated EV charge point at night. (Or even if there is an issue with access to charging, it doesn’t matter, because the government mandate says they have to buy them anyway.)

So I think those two situations are why Chinese make PEVs are selling so well, and foreign make PEVs aren’t.

Wayne

The NIH syndrome definitely does not exist in China. Everything foreign sells like crazy over there including prestige cards like mercs.
Tesla are just neither prestige enough nor is it at the right price bracket for those who require less.
Also how useful are destination chargers for long trips? Looks to me that China is really lacking in super chargers to allow long distance travel.

Speculawyer

The Chinese just haven’t figured out that Tesla Model S cars are awesome compared to the Mercedes & BMWs they adore. Great acceleration, no stinky exhaust, no oil changes, less vibration, no noise, etc.

Tesla does have a weakness in that lots of rich Chinese don’t drive their cars . . . they ride in back and the Mercedes & BMWs have made the back seat areas fancy. Tesla has been working on addressing this issue.

JakeY

I do agree brand prestige is an issue for Tesla. Practically everyone in China knows what a Benz, BMW, or Audi is, but very few people know what a Tesla is (except maybe young people in the tech industry). They don’t need advertisement in the US, but perhaps they do in China.

And while NIH is less strong, the government still frequently put policies that favor domestic makes and they do have some anti-American and anti-Japanese sentiments when current events call for it (for example the tension with US over the South China Sea right now and with Japan over Diaoyu/Senkaku Islands).

Tech01x

This article is misleading. Tesla has been feverishly putting in both Superchargers and destination chargers in the past 6 months. Since December 1, Tesla has added 34 Superchargers alone. So to take a look at how charging looks today to characterize a situation that occurred more than 6 months ago is misleading at best.

CounterStrike Cat

Standard Level 2 chargers are now Tesla chargers? Other EVs are not allowed to use them?

Robert Weekley

Tesla Destination Chargers – are not likely ‘Standard’ just yet – as the Tesla Plug has not yet been agreed upon in China, and the Tesla HPWC (High Powered Wall Chargers) was meant for North American and Europe Home Garage Installations – and has branched out into the ‘Destination Charger’ Program – since they cost just $750 versus a similar J1772 @ 100 Amps from Clipper Creek in the $2,000 Neighborhood, it makes great sense to get them out there so your product can access them! Tesla is also including the multi-adapter Cord now – and I guess – unlike in North America – it was not at the beginning.

Tesla has done everything they could think of to put themselves in the Exclusive Category – PLUS – they made sure the Cars can use the local Charging Ports, Plugs, and Power sources! Now – if Nissan/Kia/Mitsubishi would work with them to make a ‘Supercharger to CHAdeMO’ adaptor – that would be great!

Tony Williams

If Nissan, et al, had an agreement for Supercharger access, it won’t be with some clunky adaptor.

It will be “Plug-N-Charge(TM)”

Lensman

“Destination chargers” are not Superchargers, and they charge using a lower current. The label “destination charger” means it’s the sort of charger you can charge at after reaching your destination. That is, you’re not sitting around waiting for the car to charge, you’re off doing something else, like sleeping in your hotel room.

Destination chargers are the same sorts of chargers typically used by those driving non-Tesla BEVs. That is, level 2 chargers or DC “fast chargers” which charge considerably slower than Superchargers. I don’t know all the details about what Tesla has installed in China, but I would not be at all surprised if most or all the destination chargers Tesla installs can be used by any EV with the proper plug or adapter.

ModernMarvelFan

“It seems as though virtually every article out there on Tesla’s woes in China mention lack of charging stations as the primary reason why Model S sales there are lower than expected.”

uh… It is “lack of charging stations” at residence that is the primary reason why Tesla Model S sales are low!

Big difference. You can get by without wide charging network. But you can’t get by if you don’t have home chargers.

Many of the “rich” Chinese live in NYC style of luxury condos which are often without charging facilities in their parking deck or garage…

John Hansen

“as Teslarati discovered”

Discovered? On the map that Tesla hosts on their main website for the entire world to see? Tesla was so devious to publish it on their website where nobody would ever look for it!

Lensman

“It seems as though virtually every article out there on Tesla’s woes in China mention lack of charging stations as the primary reason why Model S sales there are lower than expected.”

I’m very surprised to see InsideEVs regular Eric Loveday’s name on an article which shows such lack of knowledge about an oft-reported issue.

The primary problem causing low sales of the Tesla Model S in China is not lack of public chargers, altho that is an issue. The problem is the difficulty by Chinese citizens of getting a private charger installed within walking distance of their home. Basically, only those few Chinese who are rich enough to have their own private residence with their own garage can do so. The vast majority of Chinese live in apartments… even in small villages. Generally speaking, there are no reserved parking places for apartment buildings, so no easy way for an EV owner to get an EV charge point reserved for his use.

Most of the EVs being purchased in China right now are being bought by the government, not by private citizens. And of course, the Chinese government is not going to buy foreign made luxury cars for their government fleets!

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adding to that: even *if* people in apartment communities have a reserved parking space, the property/management company often does not allow installation of a charger – be it Tesla or otherwise. They will cite any number of “problems” from safety issues, to fire hazards, to general inconvenience to reject requests to install chargers.

Reports indicate that efforts are under way to change such behavior and progress is probably being made – albeit still slow.

Speculawyer

I assume that China will soon address this issue with some authoritarian edict requiring apartment/condo buildings to make chargers available for any homeowners that want one.

Installing chargers is pretty basic electrician work and not rocket science. If they want to clean up their air, this can help (if they reduce their coal burning).

JakeY

They probably will do that at some point, but not until their domestic industry is ready with some compelling EVs of their own (similar to Germany’s government).

Lensman

As I understand it (and I’m not sure I do, as I’m no expert on China), part of the problem is red tape in getting permission to install a charger on private property. For instance, if my understanding is correct, you must get written permission from the local electric utility. There is also the issue of “how business is done” in China, which means petty officials (including, perhaps, apartment building managers) expect bribery or at least being kissed up to, before they will agree to approve something.

vdiv

A country the size and population of China needs a few more than a few hundred stations scattered about.