Toyota To Triple Mirai FCV Production Capacity In Response To Strong Demand

DEC 18 2014 BY MARK KANE 49

Toyota Mirai

Toyota Mirai

Japanese media reports that Toyota will triple initial production capacity of hydrogen fuel cell cars from the base of 700 annually by the end of 2015.

Investment in two additional lines at two factories in Aichi Prefecture (one for fuel cell stacks and hydrogen tanks and the second for car assembly) will amount to 20 billion yen ($165 million). Today, Mirai are hand built in the famous LFA Works in Japan.

Deliveries in Japan are expected to begin in mid-December, while Europe and the US must wait until Summer 2015.

Sales plan for Toyota Mirai is as follows:

  • 400 units by the end of 2015 in Japan,
  • 3,000 units by the end of 2017 in US,
  • 50-100 units a year in Europe around 2016.

Source: Nikkei

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49 Comments on "Toyota To Triple Mirai FCV Production Capacity In Response To Strong Demand"

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WHY does it have to be so ugly?!

Ehh – I don’t know. I don’t think it is super ugly. It could be more attractive. But it’s appearance would not stop me from buying it if I liked everything else about the car (which I don’t.)

It looks like Dustbuster.

It should. Because it sucks… 😉


Why does this even exist!
– This is worse then EV’s with the range anxiety of NO FUEL SUPPLY, plus additional pollution from Methane.

Yeah, I’m glad that utilities in the US don’t use methane to generate the electricity that powers our EVs.


Most of the EV owners have solar panels installed on their roof-tops or they are planning to install them in near term. Also all companies that are offering workplace EV charging have solar panels installed or they will be installed in near term.

And even if grid electricity is produced from natural gas, it is more than twice efficient to use that methane for powering steam turbine in combined cycle power plant and charge EV battery overnight than to produce from that methane hydrogen for fuel cell car.

This simple equation clearly demonstrates that fuel cells are fools game. Why Toyota is investing on fuel cell is probably that they want to slow down the development of electric vehicle technology. And if there was no Tesla Motors, Toyota would have perfectly succeeded, because no other car company is investing on electric cars significantly more than what is required by law.

Also this way Toyota can keep up the “innovative imago” but of course this will back-fire when people are starting to hate fuel cell cars.

What comes to the psychology of fuel cell cars, almost without exeption all fuel cell car advocates are electric car haters.

you might not be aware of this, but fuel cell vehicles *are* electric vehicles.

That is incorrect. Although the semantics vary somewhat from region to region, only all electric cars are considered as electric cars. Hybrid cars are hybrid cars, where there are are two sub categories, hybrids with or without plug. Fuel cell cars on the other hand are their own category that has zero relevance into anything. No one wants a hydrogen car if they had to choose from Audi A4 Quattro, Tesla Model 3 P85D and Toyota Mirai.

What makes electric car an electric car is not the electric motor but the battery that stores electricity with low level of losses.

That’s incorrect. The reason today’s battery-electric vehicles are called “electric cars” is because they plug in to an electrical socket.

If fuel-cell cars could generate their own hydrogen or at least charge their traction batteries by plugging in to the grid, then it would be fair to call them electric vehicles (perhaps range extended in the former case; they’d still have to fuel up otherwise)

Similarly, when solar technology improves to the point where an electric car can recharge without plugging in to the grid by using its own panels, we’ll have to come up with a new term for those: solar-electric vehicles or somesuch.

Nissan invested $5 billion. That is way more than needed for compliance cars.

A small percentage of NG plants in the US are combined cycle (my understanding although I don’t have a citation)

I have seen a few surveys were solar is on about 30% of EV driver’s houses – certainly not most.

I have workplace charging and there are no solar panels at my work.

The majority of EV charging goes on at night and so solar is not used. In fact the percentage charged with coal may be higher than grid overall since a lot of NG is used during the day.

Fuel cells have their issues but arguments need to be correct. I have only posted some of the anti-ev arguments and I know all the counters but your post if full of incorrect statements and that is not how to win an argument.

And with that five billion, Nissan got inferior battery tech and ICE conversion compliance car that is not even profitable. Not very successful investment!

Most of the natural gas in electricity generation in United States is burned in combined cycle power plans. Not in gas turbines that are making peak electricity. Google: “combined cycle power plant”.

Only those EV owners are charging their car overnight who are not solar power producers and do not receive incentives on feeding solar electricity into grid.

I guess that I just stated several remarks that you were not familiar with.

Over 16 kg CO2 emissions per kg of H2 at the pump, if produced from natural gas.

Electricity from natural gas emits 0.4kg CO2 per kWh, so even if all the electricity going into an EV came from natural gas, emissions are less than half.

BOY. Someone REALLY doesn’t like us making our own power for transportation (solar) do they?

Hydrogen is an effective means of solar and wind storage.

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Effective, possibly. But terribly inefficient and therefore uneconomic.

It’s really a nonstarter.

An FCV will cost $40,000 *more* in fuel costs over the life of the vehicle at 15,000 miles per year.

If you are going to go to the trouble of using an alternate fuel, you will at least want cost savings and the convenience of refueling while you sleep.

Solar power will soon be practically free. At that point you can afford to use your home cell array to make hydrogen via (inefficient) electrolysis, store it in your garage, and fuel your car at home as needed.

Call up Florida Power & Light and ask them how ‘free’ it is to interconnect your solar-powered home to their system?

You say you don’t want to pay them any longer?

Too bad, its ILLEGAL to be an electrical ‘Island’ in Florida.

That’s why they tell me there are no solar panels on the homes in Florida.

I get 100% of my power at my home, effectively from Solar, but then I need 38 panels to do it because the Sunshine is so lousy where I am that the Utilities don’t consider it viable and therefore not a threat.

Brian, our friend Ron has what? 115 panels with 115 microinverters on his roofs and he still only gets 2/3 of his power from the sun in the summertime?

Off grid is illegal in Florida? I have permission to go on grid here but never thought of that. I am taking my hot water heater off grid though (with PV) but they will never know it. It will appear the whole system is grid tied.

Solar will never be “practically free”. The panels are well under $1/W, but average installed cost is still over $3/W. It’s very significant whether you need 2.5kW of panels to generate the same electricity an EV uses or 8kW to generate enough hydrogen for an FCV. Even with future price drops, that’s over $10k extra.

And where are these home H2 stations? It’s not cheap at all to build that.

I think H2 storage will one day be important backup for people going off-grid (better than a gasoline generator), but that’s a much, much smaller unit than what’s in a FCV.

Ok, Toyota isn’t being straight with us here. If they claim only 3,500 sales world wide, this is not as much as even the Toyota Prius’ sales, which did NOT have the California Gov’t subsidy that this car will have.

They are being disingenuous, since the only place where they are even expecting more than a dribbling of sales is in Subsidized California.. We were all led to expect this car would be so much more successful than the Prius, when so few seem to want this car, even in Electricity-Starved Japan (what with 54 Nuclear Power Stations offline), which is the only place on earth this car even makes the slightest sense.


The CARB should KILL this program already.

Tripling production to meet demand? Sounds like its off to a strong start.

HaHaHa! Hilarious, Good one Cheryl.

Yes, there’s irony for you.

Mirai demand ‘off the chart’! Showing ‘exponential growth’. It is ‘production constrained’.

Thats even better! Nice one See Through. Keep em coming.

Once again true. It’s like we are in, “The Scottish Play.”

So this isn’t news – the 3000 units by end of 2017 is still the same, they just thought it was worth making an announcement that in order to meet their already announced sales targets, they will need to triple the production from where it is now?? Sounds like they’re trying to get some positive headlines, I doubt they’ve actually seen any more demand than they expected from the start, which is pretty low to begin with (ie 3000 vehicles in the US over 2 years).


WSJ reported that they sold out the 400 they are making for Japan in 2015. Toyota admitted that these were all leases to government and corporate customers. I believe they are claiming 2100 for 2016 is triple the 700 production they will make in 2015. They had led us to believe production would be much higher, so perhaps they thought they could only lease 500 per year and found out their friends in government would buy all the cars. wink wink.

Japan’s prime minister is very pro-hydrogen. There’s even been talk of giving the cars away (fully subsidizing them). I believe they are already giving $20k in incentives already, plus all those government fleet orders.

Only 3000 vehicles by the end of 2017.I would bet there could be more nanoflowcell vehicles on the road by then if the road tests Quant is doing are successful. At the very least it seems like it could be more viable and successful in a shorter amount of time than hydrogen fuel cells that has taken decades and still not worth it.

I doubt there really is much interest in a $60K Prius competitor that has no real upside from a consumer or environmental perspective. However this is a compliance car so Toyota will build them in the numbers needed to comply and lease them at whatever price will move the metal taking a monumental financial haircut on every unit it moves.

oh joy, 2000 globally… this is setting up to be an epic fail for Toyota… anyone who buys this car that isn’t stuck on the island of Japan needs to have their head examined

Wow 700 cars a year. Toyota will eventually be laughing at all of us who thought this car would bomb. To bad none of us will live to see it.

I get really tired of OEMs claiming huge demand and increasing production for their niche products, that they have no intention of mass producing.

Nissan sells more LEAFs in three weeks than Toyota will sell Mirai in three years.

Q: How do you drive a hydrogen car coast to coast on the “Hydrogen Highway” in the USA?

A: You don’t. Use a Tesla BEV.

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I wish there was a market play for all the FCV enthusiasm around here.

Prius started the EV thing. T thinks they have another game changer. Will fuel cell technology beat out battery technology. Time will tell.

I’m not a fan, but I like seeing different solutions to transportation fuels. If insideevs is going to cover hydrogen, I wish they’d give a little nod to natural gas. Honda’s civic CNG was a good effort, and a set in the right direction emission and efficiency-wise. I came close to getting one before the Leaf and related infrastructure took off. My town has 2 CNG filling stations, so it would have worked for me…

CNG is not an EV. so not sure if insideev will cover it. CNG is probably more efficient than hydrogen from NG.
on a different note, when it stops at a light does it pee all over the road? wonder if its like the purest form on H2O.

YOu bringing up CNG makes me think of the real mystery with it. 15 years ago it was going to start sweeping homes, and they even had the ‘home refueler’ Phill by Fuelmaker, a Toronto-based company, which eventually went tits-up and is now sold by an Italian company. It seems to run fine at a 50 hz speed, but if you speed it up to 60 hz speed, and run 3600 PSI rather than 3000 as is common in Europe, the higher pressure/higher speed on the compressor craps the thing out way before its scheduled time. Unless you’re one of the lucky ones whose compressor still works in the states. But CNG is only used for Large Vehicles and fleets. The Honda Civic CNG has been the only vehicle available to the public for years. This year, a $10,000 option on the Chevy Impala will get you a ‘volticized’ car that, with hardened valves (necessary since methane doesn’t have gasoline’s lubricity), a car which will go the first 80-100 miles on CNG, and then seemlessly switch back to gasoline ->> the car is its own range extender. BUT THERE IS STILL NO GOOD CHEAP Home Refueler. You’d think some big… Read more »

I’ve been surprised how quickly LNG for buses and trucks have taken off. None of the tank limits of CNG, no high PSIs, just need access to chilled LNG

I like Hydrogen as a fuel for FCAs(Fuel Cell Aircraft). The fuel cell would create electricity and power enclosed electric fans.

A lot of problems to solve before this could become reality foremost of which is the FC’s high operating pressure of about 10,000 psi….boom!

Demand tripled!

They actually found two more people stupid enough to buy the car…