Toyota Mirai Covers 100,000 km (62,000 miles) In 107 Days

APR 3 2016 BY MARK KANE 59

Toyota Mirai

Toyota Mirai

Just few days after Hyundai announced a record distance traveled by hydrogen fuel cell car (in its ix35) in the UK (400 miles on single tank & 6,096 miles over six days), Toyota raises the bar trying to ecourage us that FCV technology is ready for heavy duty use cycle.

As it turns out, one of the handful of Toyota Mirais on the road has been pretty busy since September 21, 2015 through February 10, 2016, covering some 100,000 km (over 62,000 miles) on city streets, rural roads and motorways in and around Hamburg.

It would seem that fuel cell vehicle makers have decided the battlefield of choice to compete against plug-in technology is emission free range over time.


100,000 km (over 62,000 miles) in 107 days (16 hours a day)


Heavy duty tests resulted in:

  • over 1000 kg of hydrogen consumed
  • nearly 400 times refueled (average 250 km per refuel)
  • tires changed twice

Test were conducted under various condintions, including temperatures of -20°C and according to press release Toyota Mirai achived 100% reliability.

“Toyota’s new hydrogen fuel cell car, the Mirai, has successfully completed its 100,000 kilometre European road test. The test started on 21st September 2015 and finished on 10th February 2016. Every day for 107 days, the Mirai was on the road for 16 hours. During its 100,000 kilometre journey, the car was refuelled nearly 400 times with just over 1000 kg of hydrogen, its tyres changed twice, and its front brake pads replaced. No mechanical breakdowns were reported.

Toyota Mirai

Toyota Mirai

Responsibility for the road test was given to KJ Tech Services GmbH of Hamburg. Toyota specified the total distance the Mirai should cover, as well as the amount of time spent on different types of road: in the city, on rural roads, on motorways, and on German autobahns with no speed limit. To meet these specifications, KJ Tech Services carefully calculated a single route in and around Hamburg, and organised a team of eight drivers working in two shifts per day, six days a week.”

“Toyota also asked the eight drivers for their feedback on the Mirai driving experience. They reported that the interior of the Mirai was comfortable and attractive, and remarked on the luxurious leather seats and steering wheel. It was also spacious; even the tallest driver said there was plenty of legroom. It handled well on curves, was easy to manoeuvre, and the steering was responsive. Acceleration was smooth with no jerking, and the drivers were impressed by the car’s power, which they said was immediately available when necessary, for example to overtake or surge away from traffic lights.

Toyota Mirai

Toyota Mirai

The drivers themselves were responsible for filling the Mirai’s tanks with hydrogen. They had all received a short explanation of how to do this, but as there is little difference between filling up a hydrogen car and a conventional diesel or gasoline car, training was minimal. The drivers found refuelling a very easy and safe process. They recognised a major advantage of the Mirai over other electric vehicles. Instead of having to recharge overnight – and therefore be out of action – the Mirai could be refuelled in just three minutes and was immediately ready to drive.”

KJ Tech Services Project Manager Patrick Hake said:

“The Mirai performed excellently with no mechanical breakdowns. The fuel cell operated with 100% reliability. This was also the case during a week in which the outside temperature dropped to minus 20 degrees Centigrade, when no problems with cold starts were reported.”

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59 Comments on "Toyota Mirai Covers 100,000 km (62,000 miles) In 107 Days"

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jelloslug

Fuel cell cars are still a thing?

Dave86

Good point.

More important stories right now would include…

1 – Tesla is up to 276K reservations on Model 3

2 – How does GM get consumers to respond to the Bolt like they have to the Model 3?

(From reading internet message boards this weekend, it looks like a good portion of Bolt customers are people leasing the Bolt while they wait for their Model 3…)

3 – How does the rest of of the automotive industry respond to Telsa’s 276K (and growing) deposits for the Model 3?

I have to believe that the highest levels of management in every major auto company will be having discussions next week to assess the impact of Tesla’s 276K (and growing) reservations.

Nobody, in their right mind, is going to be worrying about hydrogen.

Dr. ValueSeeker

This is really amazing feat. How many drive units were replaced? Oh, never mind. Got confused with the Tesla Model S that needed 3 DUs for 30K miles in Edmunds’ road test. But this is amazing long term reliability compared to the long range EVs of today.

http://www.edmunds.com/tesla/model-s/2013/long-term-road-test/wrap-up.html

Pushmi-Pullyu

Dr. ValueSeeker said:

“…the Tesla Model S that needed 3 DUs for 30K miles in Edmunds’ road test.”

Hmmm, no, a Tesla service center replacing a drive unit as a preventative measure because it was making a minor noise doesn’t mean the car needed three drive units; just that it got them. Now, the car did break down at one point and actually had to be towed in for service, but the other replacements were Tesla going the extra mile to ensure the customer wouldn’t experience any problem.

So, “Doc”, I think you should change your screen name to “Dr. CherryPicker”, for picking outlier figures to bash Tesla with.

And you Tesla bashers would like everyone to ignore the fact that the driver who wrote the Blog posts for Edmunds.com said he’d love to own the car, despite the occasional need for servicing.

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I wonder if Toyota had to re-start this stunt because the car broke down… and if so, how many times? They wouldn’t be likely to report it if they had tried this before but failed, now would they?

Get Real

I think a more accurate name is Dr. FUD-spreader.

Dr. ValueSeeker

Do you folks have anything to refute the Edmunds’ road test results other than name calling? I can forgive 1 drive unit replacemenet, but THREE? Let’s compare the two:
Model S in moderate California weather: 30 k miles, 3 drive units replaced, 1 main battery failure (replaced).
Mirai (sometimes under -20 C) : 60 k miles, 0 tank replaced or fixed, 0 fuel cell stack replaced or fixed.

I think the evidence is quite clear who is the winner here in reliability. Pushmi-Pullyu tries to defend Tesla, saying replacing drive units every 10,000 miles in Model S is “preventative maintenance”. But I have never seen that mentioned by Tesla. It is claimed to be zero maintenance car. Have I missed something?

jelloslug

We have a 2013 Model S with 60k miles on it now here at work and it has not had the drive unit replaced every. In fact, the only part that has broken was a window track that was supplied by MB.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Dr. ValueSeeker said:

“Let’s compare the two:
Model S in moderate California weather: 30 k miles, 3 drive units replaced, 1 main battery failure (replaced).
Mirai (sometimes under -20 C) : 60 k miles, 0 tank replaced or fixed, 0 fuel cell stack replaced or fixed.”

Apparently you’re laboring under the misconception that a sample size of 1 is a significant percentage?

“Pushmi-Pullyu tries to defend Tesla…”

No, Pushy isn’t merely “trying” to, and Tesla doesn’t need defending. Pushy is actually succeeding at pointing out that you’re using a cherry-picked sample size of 1 (one) and trying to convince us this is the average.

“…Model S… is claimed to be zero maintenance car. Have I missed something?”

Yeah, you’ve missed the fact that nowhere has Tesla ever claimed any of its cars are “zero maintenance”. Some overly enthusiastic EV advocates do claim EVs in general are zero maintenance, but that doesn’t come from Tesla Motors.

So here, you’ve moved from mere extreme cherry-picking of facts to an outright untruth.

Brave Lil' Toaster

I especially liked this part:

“They (Meaning the Toyota *engineers* driving the car) reported that the interior of the Mirai was comfortable and attractive, and remarked on the luxurious leather seats and steering wheel. (etc)”

Wow, that’s one way to pay for an endorsement.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Amazingly enough, our own employees clamored to praise the car they built.

Gosh, how surprising that someone paid to praise the car would actually do so. [/snark]

sven

No, “they” refers to the drivers from KJ Tech Services GmbH of Hamburg.

Per the press release:
“Responsibility for the road test was given to KJ Tech Services GmbH of Hamburg.”

evcarnut

62000 miles is not far enough , keep it going in the same direction until it disappears somewhere in a large body of water & we never see it again..

Philip d

That comes to 580 miles a day. A long range EV like a Tesla P90D could easily do this with just 2, 30 min. stops at a Supercharger each day.

I’m not sure of the significance of this feat is beyond proving the durability and reliability of the Mirai which Toyota would have already done anyway during its development phase. Or did they?

I assume it’s just marketing material.

Alain

They were going in circle with only one place to fuel up woppy do!

Dave86

This is more of a marketting ploy by Toyota rather than any real acheivment by hydrogen.

The hydrogen gas is stored at high pressures, and at high pressure hydrogen gas tends to cause embrittlement over time of the container(s) storing it. (Consider also the effect of high pressure hydrogen on the “plumbing”, “valves”, “fittings”, etc., over time…) So a more useful test would have been 62K miles over 10 years or 15 years.

jelloslug

If they were doing city driving a Model S 90D could do that much in one charge.

McKemie

In my Tesla, I recently did 1500 miles in 30 hours. 50 mph. That was on the return leg where I paid close attention to minimizing my charge time. On the trip out, I failed to give much attention to charge time and got about 45 mph, 34 hours. This was mostly on low traffic interstates at 75-80 mph but some slow winter weather.

Why did they replace the front brake pads at only 62K miles? I thought it has smallish battery for regenerative braking like Prius, and as such, I expected just as long brake life.

R.S.

With average H2 prices in Hamburg, they might have spent around $15,000 at the pump. So at least the new hydrogen station Hamburg-Hafencity was worth the millions in funding…

Beta998

Wow. 10 Trips like this and the Most Expensive TESLA is paid off.

Someone out there

How much oil did it take to produce all that hydrogen gas?

Beta999

Methane, and a Lot.
And Lost Energy in the conversion to hydrogen!
Lost Energy = Lost Money.

sven

Actually, much (most?) of Germany’s hydrogen used for transportation fuel is made from excess renewable energy. It’s better to use excess renewable energy to make hydrogen, than to waste it and do nothing productive with it.

socrateos

So Mirai can run about 310 miles per a full tank (5kg) in real life.

Bob

“Our PAID drivers said nice things about the car”

Beta888

And NOBODY Cared.
Toyota taking your FRACKING Bribed CAR and GO HOME.

midimal

Toyota – you are on the wrong path! Make finally a good electric car!!!

zzzzzzzzzz

There are already plenty of “rolling coal” gas guzzlers and few “powered by coal & cheap fracking” electron guzzlers on the road. What exactly are you missing? I understand that average Musk cult troll may be don’t giving a … about whole environment further than his nose, but what Toyota, Honda and others are making is truly green car that can be powered by intermittent wind/solar energy that is useless for grid charging on wide scale. So leave it alone. Or try making something like this with lion batteries – you can’t, you don’t have other viable long term electricity storage and will not have any time soon:

http://www.itm-power.com/project/wind-hydrogen-development-platform

jelloslug

What a horrible waste of energy.

Pushmi-Pullyu

Gosh yes, car powered by frackogen is so much better for the environment than a car which is powered by electricity, which can come from any source including hydroelectric, solar, geothermal, or clean nuclear energy. And a car powered by a horribly energy-inefficient, wasteful fuel like compressed hydrogen is so much better for the environment than a very energy-efficient car powered by batteries.

Oh, wait…

“Every day for 107 days, the Mirai was on the road for 16 hours.”

What an incredible waste of time and energy to prove a meaningless point about a loser technology.

evcarnut

I bet there is METHOD* to their Madness…

Seth

Driving the car for 107 days straight and for 16 hours at a time seems somewhat slightly unrealistic. I just need it for the 30 minute drive to work, park for 8 hours and drive 30 minutes back.

If my work was over an hour of driving away i’d consider another job atleast.

Rick James

I love tesla and agree with all the above comments. One thing I guess that is positive (most likely from the over-engineering) is that it didn’t have any issues; I’m pretty sure if you took a tesla on a trip like this it would have a reliability issue of some sort along the way. That’s really the ONLY thing to tout about.

Pushmi-Pullyu

We can’t possibly know how many problems they had with the car… or even if they had to re-start the entire journey because the car had a major breakdown. This is all what Toyota’s own employees reported, and we can be sure they wouldn’t report anything negative.

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Roy LeMeur said:

“What an incredible waste of time and energy to prove a meaningless point about a loser technology.”

I wish I’d said that!

DocDragon

Toyota did prove with this impressive endurance test that their new fuel cell technology is mature and reliable. Therefore, kudos to Toyota.

Then one must ask the question whether fuel cell is presently (or in the near future) economically and ecologically feasible enough to be adopted for mass market production. I would doubt *that*…

Bottom line: If Toyota sets its mind on a idea, it seems to succeed. I only wish it had spent its energy on BEVs as well. I’m pretty sure we would have innovative pure electric Toyota cars for the mass market by now.

Ahldor

To me a fuel cell car with no plug in option doesnt make sense. Basically you just need to add a connector and preferably a little more battery capacity.

Compare that to a plugin hybrid gascars where you basically need to add an electric car inside a gas car.

Feels like Toyota is pushing an agenda rather than building a convenient car.

floydboy

Cool! About time we did something with all that excess renewable energy. By the way, what was their electrolysis kg yield rate? Did they use hydro, wind or solar?

Ambulator

Since this is a promotional stunt they probably decomposed biogas for most of the hydrogen. That source is not large enough to work on a large scale; they will have to go back to fracked methane.

sven

The press release says the test drive took place in Hamburg, Germany. In the video below, the hydrogen station in Hamburg (there could be more than one) makes all its hydrogen onsite with an electrolyzer, and partly with excess renewable electricity. Their goal is to make 50% renewable hydrogen at that station.

The 80s-era bad-TV-movie soundtrack ends @ 52 seconds in, and the guy starts speaking at that point. There’s a graphic that starts @ 1:20.

floydboy

Honest question.
Are those ‘cow catchers’ on the front really necessary?
Couldn’t a standard grill have sufficed? It’s an uninspired design to begin with, but that facia, whew!

Pushmi-Pullyu

Apparently “fool cell” cars need large radiators for heat dissipation, which means they need air scoops on the front of the car. But yes, it should be — and is — possible to design a car that isn’t so aggressively ugly merely because it need air scoops.

The truly bizarre thing is that it looks like Toyota is copying the Mirai styling for some of its other cars!

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Yes, Virginia, it is possible to design a car with large air scoops that still looks nice.

http://e36261ef1f37a9aa564c-183246622d51cc66cab6f7d435863a72.r86.cf5.rackcdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/04/peugeot_308_r_hybrid_concept-660×330.jpg
Peugeot 208 R Hybrid concept car

Nemo

I can charge my EV off CHAdeMO in twenty minutes. That’s not three, but it’s not overnight, either.

Elroy

Well if its a Chademo car, you are probably talking about a LEAF or a KIA, or Miev. On my LEAF 30 minutes of quick charge would get me about 60 miles. So to go 300 miles on quick charging alone might take 2.5hrs, compared to the 3 minutes of the FCEV. That is a significant difference. And 600 miles would be 5 hours vs 6 minutes. Of course my LEAF battery would have been critically hot at that point. Like I said, for the masses, there is nothing as convenient as a 3 minute fuel up compared to BEV requirements at the moment.

Djoni

If you have to get going you’re right, except the masses won’t buy a 65 000$+ car anytime soon and won’t pay a 10$ gallon equivalent hydrogen either.

lewl

About 330 Wh per km, if 33kWh per kg value I googled is correct.

So about 50% efficient at an average speed of 58km/h relative to an EV.
Is that really worth the few mins you might save on a road trip?
(not even taking into account the energy required to make the hydrogen, just purely energy loaded to the vehicle vs how far it got on that)

zzzzzzzzzz

Try driving up to nearby wind power station and charging a battery car for the whole month at wholesale excess wind power electricity rates. Can’t do it, need to charge at home at some 0.30 EUR/kWh? Hydrogen production facility can do it. And there are good reasons the rates are totally different. Energy conversion is far from free and loss-less, comparing apples and oranges is meaningless.

Lewl

Using a battery as a storage device results in more than double the electricity back out (which is essentially distance driven by a vehicle in this case)

Electrolysis is about 65% efficient by the best processes today, and then 59% efficient in the car, or 33%.
Compared to 90% efficient with a battery.
In case you’ve been under a rock lately: many utilities are installing massive battery banks to buffer their system, they’re a thing, and make more effective use of the power you’ve got instead of (essentially) trying to stuff it all into a bottle, resulting in less than half the energy you could have had, in the process.

Steve

It’s like making a great turbo prop at the beginning of the jet age. It may be quieter cleaner and better than anything before but it’s never going to take off.

Pushmi-Pullyu

“…KJ Tech Services carefully calculated a single route in and around Hamburg, and organised a team of eight drivers working in two shifts per day, six days a week.”

So, we’re supposed to be impressed that a team that kept switching drivers managed to drive this fool cell car in big circles around a H2 fueling station for three months or so?

Just what record were they going for? Being as wasteful of fuel as possible while pointlessly driving in big circles on public roads?

Back in WWII, they used to ask “Is this trip necessary?” as a watchword to conserve resources. This pointless stunt seems to be a result of exactly the opposite thinking.

Dave

Nobody cares about either car. Come on, Toyota and Honda. Jump on board the battery-electric bandwagon before it costs you billions in wasted resources and years of market share.

Forever green

+1 Dave

Just_Chris
I actually think this is a pretty good example of a duty cycle that would suit a Fuel cell car over a BEV. 580 miles per day, that day would involve 2, 5 min visits to the refueling station. 10 min a day is a big difference to 60 min a day. That is about 70 mph average over an 8-10 hr working day. If you are limited by a working day a fuel cell vehicle can do an extra 60 miles a day or 10k miles over a working year. I also think if you drove 580 miles a week and didn’t have access to home or destination charging then 5 min twice a week would be far more reasonable than 30min twice a week. I also think building 1, 2 stall filling station in a city would be far easier than building 1, 12 stall charging station in a city. FCEV’s are not going to be for everyone, they are less efficient and they will need infrastructure for them to be viable but a 100% zero emission future seems unlikely without them. I was a bit unconvinced about some of Tesla’s business model in the beginning but it… Read more »
Markh21518

Well that is telling, my 2013 Volt has 60k and I have only replaced the tired once and my front brakes look new. Seems like Toyota wanted a maintenance Queen. No H2 for me

mike w

“The tires were changed twice” wow that’s what 20,000 miles on a set of tires.

Aaron

Wow, so 113 miles average per fill up? FCEVs are so much better than EVs! /sarcasm

Dear Toyota, we aren’t concerned about the reliability of FCEVs, we are concerned that we don’t have anywhere to fill them up.

zzzzzzzzzz

Look up at hydrogen station map in Western Europe:
http://www.netinform.net/H2/H2Stations/H2Stations.aspx?Continent=EU&StationID=-1

You have enough stations for this early testing time and Toyota even pays for fuel. By the time they’ll start selling second generation Mirai around 2020 at more mass scale, there will more than enough stations.

jelloslug

2nd gen Mirai, that’s grand, lol.

Pushmi-Pullyu

zzzzzzzzzz said:

“By the time they’ll start selling second generation Mirai around 2020 at more mass scale…”

Do you actually believe Toyota will still be making a “fool cell” vehicle in 2020? I mean, really?