Toyota & Honda Aim For 6,000 Fuel Cell Vehicles On Roads Of Tokyo In Time For 2020 Olympics

JAN 29 2015 BY MARK KANE 21

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According to Bloomberg, in preparation for the 2020 Olympics, Tokyo will spend 45.2 billion yen ($385 million) on fuel cell vehicle subsidies and hydrogen stations.

There is a plan for 35 new hydrogen stations and 6,000 hydrogen cars from Toyota and Honda.

Hiroshi Takahashi, a research fellow at Fujitsu Research Institute stated:

“The Olympics are a good opportunity to showcase new technologies. It’s also a significant chance to attract new investment and update the city’s transportation system to make it fuel cell friendly.”

Japanese subsidies for FCVs are the highest in the world and some three times higher than for EVs. Also, more than 80% of the costs of building hydrogen stations will be subsidized (at least in Tokyo).  Little wonder why the technology leaders in this field seemingly come from this region.

“The national government is planning hydrogen distribution facilities as it supports Toyota, which pioneered hybrid vehicles, to help popularize what the carmaker sees as the next generation of auto technology. Abe has said Japan intends to create a “hydrogen society,” with cells powered by the element also powering homes and office buildings.”

“Japan’s fuel cell subsidies are bigger than the incentives that China, the U.S. and Europe are offering for electric-vehicle buyers. They are also more than triple the 950,000 yen of incentives Japan offers buyers of Mitsubishi Motors Corp.’s all-electric i-MiEV.”

“Under the Tokyo Metropolitan Government’s plan, the city is targeting to have 100,000 hydrogen passenger vehicles, 100 hydrogen buses and 80 refueling stations by 2025. Buyers of fuel cell vehicles in Tokyo will be entitled to about 1 million yen of subsidies, on top of the 2 million yen provided by the central government, he said.”

Source: Automotive News

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21 Comments on "Toyota & Honda Aim For 6,000 Fuel Cell Vehicles On Roads Of Tokyo In Time For 2020 Olympics"

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I appreciate the fact that fuel cells are or can be a green mode of transportation. I just don’t want to move from the current oil cartel to the future hydrogen cartel. So unless they can come up with a refuelling system for homes, one that uses comparable amounts of electricity to an EV charger or possibly a hybrid (electric/fuel cell) drive train, then I’ll take charging my BEV at home, from the sun any day. The price of the sun (or wind) will always be the same….free.

How “green” is hydrogen compared with gas engines? It seems like with the effort and expense of extracting, converting, transporting, and storing the hydrogen, it must have a carbon footprint somewhat close to gas.

From what I’ve read, yes. I just don’t see the point for cars. EV’s are the best for light duty vehicles IMHO. Trucks and heavy transport I can see great potential for fuel cells.

I am perpetually confused by many BEV proponents’ preference of the utility cartel over the gas or hydrogen cartels.

I have far more choices in gasoline providers than I will ever have in utility providers.

You can make your own electricity. There is no other fuel source that you can reliably say that about.

There was a CNG Truck explosion with carbon wrapped fuel tanks, recently:

Typical pressure for these systems is 3600 psi.

We should get a good idea how safe these 10,000 psi Hydrogen tanks are or not, by 2020… 😉

Good thing it was CNG, not LNG. I passed a hydrogen tube trailer, this morning:

Speaking of Honda, Automobile profiled the 2016 NSX this month. Three AC motors, two in front, supported by a V6. Honda is re-entering Formula 1, and the science fair of heat, and kinetic storage systems. I think this is the part of Honda to watch. I bet it outperforms the i8, albeit with more sinful ICE displacement. ~150k, and yet in engine/battery ratio, more like 918/McClaren/Ferrari hybrid.

$385 million for 6000 cars by 2020. This is like stating “Nearly nobody will wants of our cars even if we give them lots of money for them to accept it”.

That works out to over $64,000 in subsidies per car!

I know a lot of this is probably for refueling infrastructure, but I would imagine the additional cost of an electric refueling system for 6,000 cars would be less than 1/10th the cost. Crazy.

That’s almost two months of Leaf sales in the US. I guess Toyota and Honda really do know what is best…

How to beat a dead horse.

The Volt made this concept Obsolete 3 years ago.

“Abe has said Japan intends to create a “hydrogen society,” with cells powered by the element also powering homes and office buildings.”

Too bad Honda already used then name Element for one of their gassers.

Kidding aside, I think fuel cells have a chance for home & business power (if generated locally or run on existing natural gas lines), but they don’t make sense in cars.

Amplify the craziness by Japan’s imported natural gas prices, that are closer to double or triple what is found in the U.S. (~$10/mmbtu vs. $3)

For forklifts they are great. They refuel faster and run a long time. Better than electric or propane for this specific application. For mass transit? Nope.

The thing is, the article doesn’t say where the hydrogen will actually come from. Nor does it say who will operate those fueling stations.

When we see the usual suspects operating them, the motivations will become more obvious. It’s amazing that oil companies manage to get subsidies over and over again despite being the world’s most profitable businesses.

These 6,000 FCV will look cute between the 100,000 EVs on Tokios roads in 2020… and maybe Godzilla will visit too.

35 places to refuel with hydrogen in Japan by 2020?

By 2020, I expect there will be over 5000 CHAdeMO DC quick chargers in Japan alone. It seems almost comical that 35 is the stated “goal”.

By 2020, there will be lots of EV’s in Japan. Just nutty with hydrogen, but Japan and our state of California are enamored with H2.

Tony, try 6000 CHAdeMO stations in Japan by March 2015 (yes, just 2-3 months away!)

They actually think they can sell 6000 “fool cell” cars?

Well, I don’t know what the market is for fleet FCV sales, so -maybe- they can approach that number. One thing is certain: There ain’t gonna be 6000 FCVs sold in a year to individual owners! Not even in Japan, with its crazy level of subsidy for hydrogen cars.

Between hosting the Olympics and subsidizing fuel cell cars, Japan seems quite eager to burn up money.

Hydrogen is a complete waste of energy and those who are trying to promote hydrogen are trying to create an hydrogen energy cartel. The hydrogen producers are giving you their product free now, but once you get addicted, they have created a market for their product, then they will hit you with the real price.