Toyota EV With More Than 300 km (186 miles) Range Is Coming By 2020

NOV 7 2016 BY MARK KANE 77

Toyota will begin series production of all-electric cars with more than 300 km (186 miles) range by 2020 according to a report released today.

Toyota Prius Prime

Toyota Prius Prime

That exclusive Nikkei report indicates the possibility of a small electric SUV, with sales in Japan, California and China among the first markets – but in time for promotion in conjunction with the 2020 Tokyo Olympics.

“Toyota aims to develop an EV that can run more than 300km on a single charge.

The platform for models such as the Prius hybrid or Corolla sedan is being considered for use in building an electric sport utility vehicle.”

The Nikkei goes on to say that Toyota will start a “in-house” team to map out the project in early 2017, and that the company will be looking to start production as soon as possible – meaning that it will enhance its own battery development facilities (set up this past January), but also look to source batteries for outside sources to keep cost low.

Sounds like LG Chem has another major customer on its hands.

It turns out the Toyota Mirai may have been a costly diversion from advancing all-electric vehicle development at the company in the end

In the end, the Mirai may have been a costly diversion for Toyota when it came to advancing its all-electric vehicle development tech

This move would basically represent a change of direction by the company; away from fuel cell technology as its path to total zero emission production (by 2050), and an admission that things have not gone so well with the adoption of FCV tech to date.

We should note at this point, we are not sure whether the 300 km+/186 mile+ range estimate relates tp ‘real world’ driving or the lax Japanese JC08 standard (which would translate to maybe half in real world).

However, given the timetable being so late (~2020), and the strength of other long range offerings hitting the market soon, our hunch is that in this rare case…300 kms means 300 real kms.

The question now is whether or not Toyota is introducing all-electric cars into its global offering lineup too little, too late – or can they play catch-up with the brand and take the same leadership position they currently have with traditional hybrid tech?

The window for Toyota to take a chunk of the all-electric vehicle market share is of course still open, but the easiest way inside (especially if you plan on being so late to the game), is through providing value for the money.  Something Toyota has been able to accomplish in the past.

Either way, it is good to have the Japanese company finally on board.

source: Nikkei and Reuters

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Better late than never.
Toyota has always built great, long lasting, cars and they should do very well now that they are on the right path.

“always”…. ummm..

You know that you are old when… you know that Toyota didn’t always produce great, long latsing cars. 🙂

or asleep

’89 Toyota Camry, runs great. I would amend that
To say that most of the car was great, leaving out the body, they rust out.
I use rust reformer, the paste, then hit it with a 2-stage hydrophobic, to add years to the life of the body.

1989 is not that old to me. I think some of us remember the Toyotas well before that. And im not even that old.

OK, I’m old!

I remember riding in my first Toyota. It was a 1970s era Corolla. It was made of tin. My first
impression was when I shut the door and it clanged like the door of a tin shack!

Yes, Toyota has come a long way since then. But not without it’s major quality lapses. Or when Mr. Toyoda wept in front of the U.S. Congress and said, “Toyota has lost it’s way”.

My Prius had it’s share of initial quality issues – tacky ones at that. Not to mention the 2nd gen Prius we have has engine tolerances that are loose enough to use oil well beyond the average car. Later in ownership there was the whole HID headlight debacle, to which Toyota dodged and weaved until it had to settle, facing a class-action lawsuit on both U.S. coasts.

2020! Come On.

186 miles real world with DCFC ability will be decent at right price. Make it $22K, and have it perform like SparkEV but bigger, and it will outsell everything in its price range.

186 miles for 2020 ?!? Lolll! See what they were capable of with a simple conversion of an existing RAV4 way back in *1997* !

“The RAV4 EV closely resembles the regular internal combustion engine (ICE) version – without a tailpipe – and has a governed top speed of 78 mph (~126 km/h) with an EPA rated range of 95 mi (153 km).[12] The 95 amp-hour NiMH battery pack has a capacity of 27 kWh, charges inductively and has proven to be very durable. Some RAV4 EVs have been driven more than 150,000 miles (240,000 km) using the original battery pack.” – Wikipedia

BTW it is still 88 certified miles, normalized to 2015 EPA testings.

And THIS WAS 20 YEARS AGO!

If you’re talking about without regard to cost, sure, they can make EV with 500 miles range for $220K. But I’m talking about affordable EV, and 186 miles had better be affordable given that Bolt is 240 miles at $30K.

The obvious choice would be an all electric Prius (at least as an option). All the parts are there. It should be easy to produce and market. Forget making the batteries. Get them from LG Chem.

Packaging becomes the issue. You need design something that houses 60kWh of battery. I’m thinking a ground-up design is better than trying to re-purpose something.

No doubt! Ground up design with battery pack in the floor is the only way to go. If they try to shoe-horn a 45+ kwh battery into an existing design it is unlikely to work well.

That would give it 450 km range. Remember, the Zoe has a 41kWh battery and goes 400 km far.
Same thing with Leaf, I3 and others.
So they just need a 30kWh battery to do 300 km on paper.
But by 2020, 300 km or 30 kWh will be a joke.

Not a good comparison, as the Zoe is much much smaller & lighter than Prius (or Leaf, for that matter).

Zoe has 400km NEDC range.
200km-300km real world range according to Renault.

Finally they’ve figure how to move to real zero emission car.
Better late than sorry.

If they give them away they will outsell everything on the planet

On the contrary, if they give them away, they won’t sell any… 😉

An all electric Prius would sell like mad.

Don’t see it unless its well under $25k before incentives…One or the most appealing aspects of the Prius is it can go 600ish miles before needing a refill…

Not the 2nd gen (04-09). It’s more like 400 miles.

Thanks for verifying we don’t live in the past! The 1996 Prius, aka the Gen0, got well, zero miles of range…The 3rd/4th do…

Well, it’s appealing, but if I had a Prius BEV it’d go a much larger number of miles between stops at a filling station.

I guess they got to start somewhere but I expect it to be fairly expensive…Even with a $29k MSRP it’ll be a very slow seller…

I’ll add, at least they seemed to move on from FCV; it appeared they would have doubled down prior to giving it the axe…

It was only a matter of time. We all knew this would happen, it was just a matter of when.

But why oh why did they waste so much time, years after the writing was on the wall?

My question is will get give the Chamo chargers back up by joining in with Nissan.

Toyota currently gets lithium batteries from Panasonic.

Yep. From an article on the Prius Prime:

“Working with battery supplier Panasonic – which also produces Li-ion batteries for Tesla – Toyota has also improved the precision in battery cell assembly, ensuring battery chemistry is free of impurities.”

http://fortune.com/2016/10/31/toyota-prius-prime-lithium-batteries/

Toyota’s NiMH and prismatic lithium-ion batteries are made by Primearth EV Energy (formerly Panasonic EV Energy), which is a joint venture battery company with Panasonic:
http://www.peve.jp/en/product/index.html
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Primearth_EV_Energy

Primearth EV Energy has also supplied batteries for other car manufactures like Honda and General Motors.

Toyota has a long lasting relationship with Panasonic.
I remember Toyota dealerships has sold aftermarket Panasonic car audio for decades.
Panasonic was a major sponsor for Toyota’s Formula 1 team, with huge blue Panasonic lettering on both sides and the rear spoiler of the Toyota F1 cars.

Everyone told Toyota that Hydrogen Fuel Cells would end in failure, yet Toyota doubled down on it. I guess some of the suits there have finally seen the light, and will now deliver a Toyota EV with 186 miles of range three years from now when Teslas will be going 400 miles per charge. lol!

Musk has indicated 100kWh limit for S and X.
I think that it’s all about cost and charging speed at this point.

A limit that most likely will be broken within 18 months. 😉 Possible even in 12 months.

It already produced Toyota RAV4 EV, some subcompact battery cars, and it always was in Toyota long strategy since last decade (or maybe earlier, I don’t know) to use batteries for shorter distance city cars when battery technology will get better, and Toyota poured a lot of money into battery research in attempt to achieve it. 300 km on JP08 cycle is just that category.

Screaming that Toyota/Honda/Hyundai/Daimler/whatever long term fuel cell effort just died and one true prophet Saint Elon will show one true way from now on is a bit premature 😉

First, they announced that Toyota had “solved the lithium battery problems” and now just a very short time later, announced they will make a 186 mile (120 mile EPA) Electric Vehicle based on a smallish Toyota car, to only three markets that require Zero Emission Vehicles (California, Japan, China) well into the future.

Folks, this isn’t much more than what the Mirai is… even less, actually. A regulatory compliance car.

Toyota will still be pounded out minimum quantity hydrogen cars in strictly regulatory compliance markets. For California, at least, the gravy train for hydrogen will be a bit less as there shouldn’t be an user-premium ZEV credit value for hydrogen cars after 2017.

Somehow, I suspect the hydrogen lobby / Toyota will be successful in continuing the extra credit and continued exemptions from selling hydrogen cars in any of the other seven CARB-ZEV states. But, they might be concerned (rightly so) that the they might not actually sell enough hydrogen cars to meet regulations, hence this plan.

I wouldn’t be so negative about compliance cars of the future. Back in the day, competition was only Leaf with 80 miles range, and compliance cars had to be just as good. Now with much more DCFC and $30K Bolt, compliance offerings will have to match that or be much lower price.

Between Tesla 3 and Bolt, EV of under $20K post subsidy is lacking, and Toyota and others could fill that niche. Sure, they could lose some money (or not if you consider compliance credits), but that’s still great for consumers.

Compliance cars are in competition with other electric vehicles. If Chevrolet built a 500 mile electric car, that doesn’t mean that Mercedes is going to make their car go more than 100 miles under the current ZEV rules.

Chevrolet actually reduced the actual range of the Spark EV from Model Year 2014 to 2015, while Tesla is building 250 mile range cars.

This announcement by Toyota says nothing about having a dedicated platform for an electric vehicle. Quite the opposite, actually, as they specify exactly which cars they’re considering to use as the platform.

So, this annoucenemnt is nothing more than developing something that will take up the slack of regulatory compliance with their hydrogen efforts.

Like the RAV4 EV and Scion iQ EV,, I won’t even be surprised if it doesn’t have DC quick charge capability. There’s no regulatory credit for that.

First sentence should say, “NOT in competition with other EVs”.

All EV are in competition, even compliance cars. Your argument of 100 miles MB vs 500 miles Chevy is ignoring the price. If such cars are made, 100 miles MB would have to cost significantly less than Chevy to be able to sell. You can never ignore the price. If compliance cars need to sell in any number, they must offer compelling EV and not like iMiev. That means at least DCFC, at least 100 miles per charge, decent performance, and priced accordingly (200 miles per charge = $30K like Bolt, 120 miles=$20K like new FFE/eGolf). If not, they simply won’t be able to sell that many and may not meet compliance (again, think iMiev sales number). After SparkEV gone, there are only iMiev and SmartED in sub $20K EV, two cars that are not really selling nor desirable (slowest car and two seater). Chevy and Tesla are locked in “200 miles, $30K” battle while Nissan seem to be going that route with higher priced based Leaf and who knows what holds for Leaf-2. Top is of course dominated by Tesla. That leaves a gap in low end that can be filled by Toyota, etc, even if it means compliance… Read more »

Why is everybody just banging out range numbers nad kWh in battery? 400 miles per charge? Really? That means 200 kWh battery. So: how long will it charge? 2-3 hours for 400 miles. And you think that’s acceptable.
350 kW chargers (as Porsche predicts)? There isn’t a electric grid in the world that can support that (except in a very, very limited number of locations). To make anything over 100 or 150 kW viable for majority of fast charging stations, you’d need a compeltelly reworked power grid. And that would not be much (if any) cheaper than doing hydrogen infrastrucutre.
Toyota has alway said they’d do an BEV when (and only when) they can do reasonable range car for reasonable cost (and that is not 40k for 200 miles). And that their end-game for long doistance driving (let’s say 400 miles per fill up) is still FCEV.
The only question is: will they really do resonably priced short-range BEV vith 150-200 miles range (that would mean under 20K after subisdies) or are they just after ZEV credits and publicity?

Well, with the current battery improvement, a new pack could have increased the 100 miles E-Rav to 186 miles range easily…

Ya I know right? To me this seems like they just took the old RavEV and put in new batteries.

Why the need to wait until 2020? Shouldn’t it get like 250 miles in 2020?

The need time to develop a drive train. The RAV4 was by Tesla. They were also losing a ton a of money w/that car so they need to design something with profit in mind.

They could do the Rav4 EV again. Toyota has an electric drive motor in the various SUV / CUV car. They just need a suitable battery pack.

As stated, I think there is little chance that this announcement is anything but a ZEV regulatory compliance effort for markets where they don’t / won’t sell hydrogen (China), and in places where they won’t sell enough hydrogen (California).

The Toyota hydrogen program will keep plugging along through 2025 (at least) with generous support from governments around the world.

So when are you going to engineer a CCS to CHAdeMO adapter?

Or a CCS to your Rav4 EV?

No plans for a CCS to CHAdeMO (or vice versa). Small market, and an expensive product.

CCS (or some other DC charge protocol is possible for the RAV4 EV and Tesla Roadster, as an addition to CHAdeMO. The latter already has all the mounts for a second set of hardware.

Since most new DCFC have both CCS and CHAdeMO connections, I don’t think that is necessary.

One compliance car (?) sold only in select markets like CA instead of nationwide is not much of a commitment in the 2020 time frame but hopefuly they will stop pushihing the fuel cell fraud…

Unfortunately 2020 will not be too late since not even 1% of the worlds cars are EVs right now…
These legacy manfuctaures may hurt themselves in the long run by not having bigger and better plans as it is only a matter of time before some countries or even major cities start making EV only mandates…

Compliance or not, if they have good EV, it’ll still be of benefit for many. As a former Prius driver, I might’ve stuck with Toyota if they had compelling car. I might still be Toyota guy instead of SparkEV guy (still can’t get myself to say “Chevy guy”).

Yeah, but I bet their compliance long-range BEV will sell much more easily than the Mirai.

The rumors of my death have been greatly exaggerated. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
—Toyota Mirai

As was mine, but we all know what’s coming…

By 2020 Toyota has scheduled to have cheaper and more advanced FC car than Mirai anyway, for Tokyo Olympics. Current Mirai leases for $350/mo in CA including fuel and all options.

Good luck selling expensive limited range cars that would replace 1 billion gas & diesel cars on the road by then :/

“Good luck selling expensive limited range cars that would replace 1 billion gas & diesel cars on the road”

You mean FCV? The problems you cite are exactly why the writing’s on the wall for FCV demise. Expense of H and inconvenience of H stations (hence range) isn’t going to get better any time soon, if ever.

Toyota Mirai twice the price of a Prius and barely more efficent…
If it wasnt for polution, global warming, basic economics and that whole laws of physics thing fuel cell vehicels would have a great future…
Well I guess fuel cells will always be “the future”…

Mirai 66 mpk estimated anual fuel costs 1250
Prius 56 mpg estimated anual fuel costs 600
Bolt 119 mpge estimated anual fuel costs 550

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=38062
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/fcv_sbs.shtml
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=38187

The smart bet would be to improve the Rav4 RV.
A small SUV in the states with 186 mile range would kick ass.

IMGO, the Bolt should’ve been a small SUV.

EV, not RV….lol

Man we need an edit function.

Finally! I’m sure they will build a solid EV. But……
It’s not enough any more just o be an ok EV….
Must have sporty / superior performance and style.

That will be Toyotas challenge , they must capture buyers hearts, build an exciting compelling EV.

Well, Toyota has sold more than 9 million Priuses that lack style and performance, so I’d hardly say they are a necessity for mass sales of the their upcoming BEV.

The Prius winning formula was: utility, comfort, efficiency and reliability at a very affordable price point. I expect Toyota to aim for those kind of benchmarks rather than style and performance.

About time. Hope they do well. Seems a little late in the game, but maybe they can catch up.

Also, hope the California state government is listening and stops throwing money at costly hydrogen fueling infrastructure.

Also hope they design the car to look better than their current crop, but that’s a personal preference.

Pathetic – Not only last to the party, but showing up half dressed. By today’s standards that is a sad set of features. But, by 2020 (if then) that will be embarrassing.

They are far from last to the party. There’s still several car manufactures who haven’t jumped on the EV bandwagon yet.

I hope Nissan puts any and all 2020 Toyota EVs to shame. Toyota an Honda are late to this non-compliance car segment, let them chew on their hybrids/HFCVs, while TESLA, GM, BMW, and NISSAN/RENAULT scoop up the majority of the pure EV market share. This could be Toyotas moment to prove that abandoning the TESLA RAV 4 EV was a little premature, and a learning lesson from which they will overcome.

By 2020 the world will reinvent itself.

Looks like Mirai sales aren’t going to keep up with credit requirements…

Well it’s a start at least but it’s pretty weak considering it is to be released in 2020. By then they will need to provide 300 *miles* of range to be competitive.

Glad they woke up… too bad they will be so late to the real game.

Yup. By 2020, Tesla’s Model Y will be a far more popular option, compared to Toyota’s Rav4 EV version 3.0 short range compliance vehicle.

When in doubt, keep making the same EV since the 1990’s, Toyota. 😉

I bought a Toyota Sienna van in 2006. Asked then – any plans for a hybrid minivan?

2008 – they said.

2013 – still no hybrid minivan in the US. I was test driving the Leaf vs Prius V. Leaf won. Prius seemed outright pathetic in comparison.

Sorry Toyota, way too little too late. This former customer will NOT return.

Ditto to Honda. I was a former Honda Insight and Civic Hybrid driver. Too little too late from them too.

Regrettably Toyota, Honda and Mazda hold hands on Fuel Cells or Fool Cells as true EV plug in enthusiasts know them by.

Toyota who started off with a bang with Prius, just failed to keep the memento going for plug ins. They should hold their heads in shame as they could have been leaders along with Honda – had any of those two took some risks with new battery technology.

This is why Tesla, Nissan/Renault & GM Plug in’s are a great solution !

“The platform for models such as the Prius hybrid or Corolla sedan is being considered for use in building an electric sport utility vehicle.”

If Toyota tries to use an existing platform that was developed for ICE cars they will encounter the same problems as the GM engineers who started with the SONIC platform for the Bolt. In the end the Bolt is not build on a reusable platform and shares nothing with the Sonic. It is so one of a kind that they can’t even make a RHD variant on it.

The sooner Toyota starts the design of a dedicated BEV platform the better. To be competitive you need a reusable architecture for your car. There is no good reason for Toyota to rush the development to be the first on the market like GM choose to do with the Bolt.

A few dozen handmade prototypes driving around during the 2020 games is good enough for marketing.

2020???? What’s the delay? I’ll be 1 year into my model 3 lol.

If the Prius Prime only has a 3300 watt charger, why is there are ‘type 2’ (Mennekes) connector for the European Market?

Or do they put a huge charger in the thing in Europe?

Heck, J1772 can officially handle 80 amps per line, yet Toyota only uses a lowly 16 amp charger. Mennekes Type 2 tops out at 63 amps per line (three phase).

I suspect that Europe will ultimately go away from Type 1 / J1772, and Toyota just reflects that with the Type 2 inlet.