Toyota Embraces Hydrogen “Bullsh*t” – Video

APR 23 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 94

Fueled By Bullsh*t

Fueled By Bullsh*t

Tesla CEO Elon Musk often refers to hydrogen fuel-cell vehicles as “fool cells” and he’s even stated this on record:

“And then they’ll say certain technologies like fuel cell … oh god … fuel cell is so bullshit. Except in a rocket.”

Well, Toyota is now embracing this “bullsh*t” reference by Musk in its latest “Fueled by Everything” multi-part series “aimed to educate a broad audience about the innovative ways hydrogen fuel can be made from renewable sources.”

Toyota turns to award-winning documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock to direct the first video in this series.  Called “Fueled by Bullsh*t”, this 3-minute video “features a dairy farmer and mechanical engineer as they follow cow manure from a mooing supply source to its ultimate use in powering the hydrogen fuel cell electric Toyota Mirai.”

The video description states:

“Hydrogen is almost everywhere. It’s in water, grass, and yes, even bullsh*t. But can it fuel a car?”

The Toyota Mirai hydrogen fuel-cell car will go on sale in limited volume in California later in 2015.

Press release from Toyota below:

Fueled by Bullsh*t

Toyota Taps Morgan Spurlock to Direct First Video in “Fueled by Everything” Series

April 22, 2015
TORRANCE, Calif. (April 22, 2015) – Sometimes reality stinks. Toyota has tapped award-winning documentary filmmaker Morgan Spurlock to show how calling hydrogen fuel cell vehicles “bullsh*t” isn’t far from the truth.

“Fueled by Bullsh*t” is the first online video in a multi-part  series aimed to educate a broad audience about the innovative ways hydrogen fuel can be made from renewable sources. Spurlock directed the 3-minute piece which features a dairy farmer and mechanical engineer as they follow cow manure from a mooing supply source to its ultimate use in powering the hydrogen fuel cell electric Toyota Mirai.

“This project gave us the opportunity to dive into a world that most people don’t understand but has the potential to change our world,” said Spurlock. “Witnessing manure, something most of us view as being pretty disposable, being transformed into hydrogen fuel to power a car was pretty remarkable. I think this short film is pretty compelling evidence of what could be possible in the years ahead.”

Beyond high quality dung, hydrogen can be manufactured from other renewable energy sources like solar, wind and biogas from landfills. These production methods can result in a domestic and locally sourced fuel that powers the Mirai while emitting only water vapor from the tailpipe.

The multi-series video campaign is launching through the Toyota Mirai website (www.toyota.com/mirai) and additional digital properties with paid online media support. The Toyota Mirai site will also feature a deeper dive into the scientific process of creating hydrogen fuel, with explanations from scientists and experts in the field. This content will also appear across Toyota social and media partner sites, including Forbes.com, YouTube and Hulu.

“We’re putting hydrogen in the spotlight for its exciting potential as a renewable fuel source,” said Bob Carter, senior vice president, automotive operations, Toyota Motor Sales, U.S.A., Inc. “This is the beginning of the road for hydrogen, but we see the potential and we’re making a long-term investment in the future.”

The four-door, mid-sized Toyota Mirai delivers performance similar to traditional internal combustion engines – re-fueling in about five minutes and a range of up to 300 miles on a full tank. The Mirai will go on sale in California later this year.

Toyota’s “Fueled by Everything” campaign was created with creative agency partner Droga5. To see the video and information about Toyota’s commitment to fuel cell technology, visit www.toyota.com/mirai/fueledbyeverything.html.

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Seems Toyota feels they need to brainwash folks to buy into their Hydrogen Vehicle GroupThink.

Facts are, Hydrogen is an energy carrier and not a form of energy itself. It takes more energy to make Hydrogen, Store it, and compress it into vehicle tanks, than putting energy straight into a lithium battery. Asking for safety exemptions for their Hydrogen Vehicles, does not instill consumer confidence, nor does sitting on a tank of hydrogen that’s compressed to 10,000 psi. Hydrogen stations cost millions of dollars to build, and will not be profitable for several years. Where is the hydrogen infrastructure? What is being used to create the Hydrogen? Stripping it out of Hydrocarbons? What about the waste and pollution from that? And the water that comes out of their cars, is acidic… Etc., etc.

Ignoring facts is the definition of bullsh1t, Toyota.

Meanwhile, I’m sitting here sipping coffee, watching my solar panels charge the Leaf…… don’t even have to get my hands dirty!

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You deserve all of the pluses!

Even saying hydrogen stations will be profitable in several years is overstating things. Hydrogen stations made to service commuter cars will take at least a decade, probably much longer, to realize any profit. Reason? No customers.

They will never be profitable. Hydrogen fuel is and will remain too expensive to compete with gasoline/diesel as transportation fuel; far less could it compete on cost with using electricity to charge EV batteries.

Note this is due to the physical properties of hydrogen, and the immutable laws of thermodynamics. No clever future invention is going to save hydrogen fuel, or make it cost-competitive. At best, future improvements will merely make hydrogen fueling stations lose money more slowly.

Now Tesla should release a parody video of this, and show people how EV’s are “filled up”.

They would have someone pulling a Model S into their garage, then pulling out a cord and plugging it into the car. The camera then pans out and up to reveal the solar panels on the owner’s house.

Then a message followed by “Electric cars. No BS needed here.”

“Electric cars. No BS needed here.” perfect

Great Thought!

These are Cows not Bulls

Late Last Night When We Were All In Bed, Miss O’Leary Parked Her Mirai In The Shed,
And When The Cow’s Methane Ignited, She
Winked Her Eye And Said – “It’ll Be A Hot Time For ZEV Credits Tonight,
Fire!
Fire!
Fire!

I did not know the water that comes fool-cell cars was acidic. Interesting.

LOL. So they used diesel equipment to load the manure, into a gasoline truck to haul it to a place, where steam & heat are needed to remove the hydrogen, then used electricity to compress it, just to get enough to power a small car to drive a little bit.

Yeah, that’s efficient.

They seem to be completely missing the reality of these inefficiencies. There has to be another motivation behind the scenes, for this (there is no other word for it) retarded push to move to this technology in consumer automobiles.

Exactly. They used so much energy to get that hydrogen in the form they needed it, they could have just powered an EV directly from that energy instead. It seems so illogical.

And even the amount of energy used to extract the methane and haul it to a natural gas plant with the intent for it to charge an EV will still end up probably being a net loss.

I hope you don’t mind if I posted your comment on another green car site?

KISS.
There are so many steps that need additional energy. How do they expect it to compete with wind and solar energy that can go straight into the grid and end up in your vehicle with minimal impact?

Spurlock sold out. Now I thought he was all about fair and logical documentary…

If we had enough energy, enough money and enough will to receive more ZEV credits – perhaps we, too, could produce a truer, more revealing video piece and power it all with Toyota’s mounting pile of Bullsh*t.

First question any decent engineer would have… energy expenditure versus energy gained? Come on… this is indeed Bullsh*t. The video shows the massive process required to convert, transport, and refine this manure to hydrogen so anyone watching with a brain should begin to form the above question in their mind (puny or otherwise). 🙂

Ha! Three people with a brain… posting the same general idea within 60 seconds of each other. Got to hand it to the EV community…no excess hydrogen on the brain here!

Incorrect. The first question is, What do I do with this waste product-pay someone to take it away or have them pay me for it?

Pay someone? What are you talking about? If you are referring to cow manure you obviously have never owned cows before.

Also, it was cow sh!t, not bull sh!t. And the Mirai sounded like a dust buster when he started it.

Good one, LOL

Looks like a dust buster too.

If GM were to hire someone to create a video like this for their Chevy volt five years ago they would’ve sold hundreds of thousands. This was a great video I still call bullshit but great job confusing the issue.

yeah, this video was very well done! So misguided, but so very convincing if you turn your brain off!

It’s some what frustrating to imagine where EV’s would be, if Toyota had supported them instead of derided them?

The irony is the Volt made this concept obsolete at it’s birth. Toyota still holding on to the dead albatross.

Just install a biogas generator at the farm and use the generated electricity to run the farm and an electric car. Saves you driving the Bullsh*t around.

electric-car-insider.com

Very clever advertisement, so kudos to Morgan Spurlock for making bullshit look appealing.

But Toyota can’t win for losing. The negative environmental impact of cattle is very well documented. This is not where we want to get our future fuels from.

“FAO says livestock production is one of the major causes of the world’s most pressing environmental problems, including global warming, land degradation, air and water pollution, and loss of biodiversity.”
http://www.fao.org/ag/magazine/0612sp1.htm

Agriculture is a significant driver of global warming and causes 15% of all emissions, half of which are from livestock. Furthermore, the huge amounts of grain and water needed to raise cattle is a concern to experts worried about feeding an extra 2 billion people by 2050…

…the research shows a new scale and scope of damage, particularly for beef. The popular red meat requires 28 times more land to produce than pork or chicken, 11 times more water and results in five times more climate-warming emissions.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/jul/21/giving-up-beef-reduce-carbon-footprint-more-than-cars

Moving away from beef is progress. Building an entirely new fuel infrastructure which depends on *the continued promulgation* of this water and carbon intensive source is just a bunch of bull.

fuel cell cars are not cheap yet .where are we going to feul these things .(your car is out of range to the nearest fuelling pump!)but i’m in my driveway!

Too bad it’s turned into this head to head battle, rather than a healthy rivalry. Toyota is a powerful force because of its vast green cred with the Prius. So it’s too bad that Toyota chooses not to continue partnering with Tesla like they did originally with the RAV4 EV. Toyota would be wise not to put all their eggs, or should I say bullsh*t, in one basket. Interestingly the Model 3 will soon follow the Mirai, so we’ll have a good chance to see what the consumer chooses over the next few years. I suspect that Toyota will have to come around eventually, just like VW did. One day there may be an efficiency breakthrough in splitting H from H2O that changes everything. In the mean time, too bad Toyota chooses not to embrace both technologies. Or if we’re lucky, they’ll soon surprise us with the next Li-ion plugin Prius to compete against the GM Volt, Ford Energi, VW GTE, BMW i, etc PHEV threats.

Tesla showed them the future, they rejected it.

Don’t take it personally. This is just crony capitalism at work.

Big oil has little choice but to lobby politicians to support an energy carrier that ensures their survival in a post-oil world. Politicians have little choice but to mandate the technology that will bring them more money, which will bring them more power. Toyota has little choice but to pursue the technology that will reward them with the most credits.

Q: What do BEVs, PHEVs, & FCEVs all have in common?

A: They all have an electric motor powered by a battery. In the case of a FCEV, there are two batteries; the Fuel Cell & the Buffer Battery.

Q: Which of BEV, PHEV, or FCEV is the least net energy efficient when factoring in production, storage, delivery, & conversions?

A: FCEV; by a factor of > 3X.

Q: Why is Toyota hell-bent on abandending BEV r&d in favor of FCEV?

A: Toyota has substantially pubically put all ther chips on FCEV and at this point it would require seneoir executive Seppuku (perhaps even literally) to change course.

That’s why we may be seeing the Japanese Mafia control of Toyota, gotta use the carbon the Mafia wants you to use.

This is clearly a loser for Toyota as a car company.
It only benefits a mafia carbon producer in Japan.

It is oil and gas companies that are pushing behind Toyota, as they did introducing hybrids instead of true electrics in 2004 to calm the rage of crushed EV1 s and other good ranged EVs from the first wave.

Carbon tipped blade?

lol…perhaps carbonized cow sh*t tipped?

So really what I got from this is ths companies like John Deere should convert farm diesel equipment to hydrogen fuel cells and start selling small scale hydrogen processing equipment to farmers so they can process their own fuel….clean air and reduce costs for farmers.

I plug my electric car into the wall and I’m done..once my solar panels are up who cares.

I noticed this is just “Episode 1”. So expect more bullsh!t from Toyota.

(nice placement of the * BTW)

Also I think the title of this video “Fueled by Bullsh*t”, should be “Fooled by Bullsh*t”

I don’t even think anybody has to spend time and resources to make a counterpoint video…

Just post that exact picture to Facebook, Google+,Instagram and all the other social media sites!

HA! It was so obvious, I almost missed it – “Toyota: Powered by Bullsh*t” -AND THEY MADE THE VIDEO THEMSELVES!!!! HAHAHAHA!!!

L 🙂 L!!!!

After watching that long tortured conversion process Rube-Goldberg came to mind.

I’ll give them points on humor. Still have no interest in getting one. Fueling stations are a complete drag.

The farmer would have called Bull**** when they wanted him to pay oil cartel prices for his hydrogen fuel.

I try and look at new technology with an open mind. I live in California, likely the most progressive state in the U.S. when it comes to alternative energy. Futher, I live in the Capitol city of Sacramento. The nearest active fuel cell location that will refill a car? Harbor City, Los Angeles, 403 miles away. That’s a long drive to refuel.

Data from the CA Fuel Cell Partnership:
http://www.cafcp.org/stationmap

The California Fuel Cell Partnership includes Big Oil companies: BP, Shell, ChevronTexaco.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California_Fuel_Cell_Partnership

These are the people who want to -stop- the EV revolution, not help it along. They are the people who want the world to continue burning 80 million barrels of oil each and every single day.

They are not our friends.

You know what this reminds me of? I work in I.T. and I have a user that can’t seem to learn new things. So when they want to send me a screenshot of a problem they will print screen to their printer, then scan it in on their scanner, then paste it into a word document, then attach the document to an email, and then send it to me. I keep trying to tell the person they can just paste the screenshot directly into their outlook. It is so much easier and more efficient. Anyway, that is what the whole fuel-cell thing reminds me of.

Oh, snap! 😀

Great analogy.

Reminds me of this Dilbert

Ugh. The more Toyota doubles and triples-down on the Fool Cell fantasy, the more they insure I’ll never buy a Toyota again. Even looking at my wife’s Lexus IS 350 parked next to my Model S makes me wish I could go back in time and buy something else.

Toyota, a historically innovative and solid company has profoundly disappointed me with their pro-fool cell anti-BEV stance.

What a steaming pile of cowflop. I suppose it’s pedantic of me to point out that farmers keep very few bulls; most of what comes from the south end of cattle pointed north is from cows, not bulls. More importantly, in case anyone needs a reminder, 95% of commercial hydrogen is made from natural gas. And if I understand it correctly, the first “pilot” public hydrogen fuel station in California generates its own hydrogen via electrolysis. So the energy source there is electricity from the grid, not cow manure. The video shows hydrogen coming from steam reforming of methane, but natural gas is composed mostly of methane, so again that’s the source of nearly all hydrogen produced in industrial quantities. How much comes from manure or other waste products? Virtually none. Side note: Did you think about how much energy it took to drive a pickup truck full of manure to the steam reforming plant? Wanna bet that the fuel it took to do that contained more energy than the energy contained in the manure? Bottom line: Yes, they -could- get hydrogen from any source of hydrocarbons, including cow manure. But just because it’s possible doesn’t mean it’s either practical… Read more »

Toyota saying they can make hydrogen out of anything, reminds me of the stone soup story. Sure you can make soup from a stone; you just have to add/do a bunch of other stuff too!

http://www.stonesoup.com/the-original-stone-soup-story/

People have no idea the BS campaigns that can be funded by ~1.8 in quarterly profits. Oh wait, I live in the United States.

‘000,000,000’

Love it so much I think Toyota should change its tag line from “Lets Go Places” to “Fueled by Bullsh*t”.

So the next time I see that comercial with Jan racing in her a Camry. The tag line “Toyota Fueled by Bullsh*t” will be at the end. I still wouldn’t buy a Camry, but I would stop changing the chanel in the midle of the ad.

Also when some brainwashed Toyota fan says worlds largest car company. I wouldn’t say. Almost all sales come from small cars like Corollas and Daihatsu, and they sell cars in places that American companies can’t like Cuba, Iran & Japan.

And when they bring up reliability I wouldn’t mention that most of the platforms and powertrains are a decade old, all the bugs should have been worked out by now. I would just use the new tag line “Fueled by Bullsh*t”

You know who else is fueled by sh!t? Shooter McGavin, LOL.

Methane (CH4) is roughly 75% Carbon by molecular weight. (Molecular weight of Carbon=12, Hydrogen=1) Unless they are injecting pure oxygen into the reaction, the formula for steam reforming is this:

CH4 + H2O (+ heat) → CO + 3H2

So they release 4.6667 tons of Carbon Monoxide for every ton of hydrogen they generate.

This is basically a process to take carbon that was sequestered into the earth as solids (manure), and taking that carbon and releasing it into the atmosphere where it can then chemically combine with other compounds.

Instead what we need to be doing is TAKING carbon out of the atmosphere, and sequestering it back into the earth.

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That’s just the first process in steam reformation of methane. The second process uses the carbon monoxide from the first process to generate additional hydrogen in a mildly exothermic reaction. CO + H2O → CO2 + H2 So after both processes you end up with CO2 and 4H2. But why does the weight of carbon verses the weight of hydrogen matter? The carbon in manure is NOT sequestered. A significant amount carbon in manure gets released into the atmosphere as methane, which is a much, much more potent greenhouse gas than CO2. Global-warming potential (GWP) is a relative measure of how much heat a greenhouse gas traps in the atmosphere, and is expressed as a factor of carbon dioxide (whose GWP is standardized to 1). Methane has a lifetime of 12.4 years in the atmosphere and a global warming potential of 86 over 20 years, and 34 over 100 years. In other words, methane is 86X and 34X more potent a greenhouse gas than CO2 over 20 years and 100 years! One of the main criticisms of fracking for natural gas is that it releases much more methane into the atmosphere than regular drilling for natural gas, negating/offsetting the reduced… Read more »

Kind of hard to capture cow farts. Maybe a diaper would work.

Sven —

You are mistaken about the methane. It isn’t already in the poo, waiting to be released. It is produced as a byproduct of bacteria consuming the sugars left in the poo. They are in effect collecting bacteria farts.

If that same material is plowed into the earth, it would not release that methane into the atmosphere.

So until is gets plowed into the soil it’s releasing methane emissions? I can’t see how a thin layer of topsoil will stop the methane from permeating through to the atmosphere. But I’ll take your word for it, as I don’t really want to research poo! 😀

Sven — Again, poo doesn’t “release” methane. Bacteria release methane when they eat poo.

These bacteria act very quickly and release lots of farts when placed in what is called an “Anaerobic Manure Digester”.

This is a temperature and moisture controlled environment designed to replicate a cow’s stomach. Very moist, and very warm.

This is very unlike being tilled into 8 inches of soil. Go anywhere and dig down 8 inches. The dirt will be cool to the touch, and will cycle between moist and dry with the seasons (unless you add water with a sprinkler). This is nowhere near the same conditions as inside a Anaerobic Manure Digester. Without the conditions inside a Digester, the bacteria don’t produce those massive amounts of methane.

If this is done in combination with something called “conservation tilling” on land that will be tilled anyway, the idea is to add the manure back to the massive carbon sink that makes up the earth’s 1.5 meter of top soil.

Toyota once said they would like to partner with Tesla again for another EV after selling off all of their Tesla-powered RAV4 EV.

We can see what Toyota is doing to the chances of that deal ever happening at 25 seconds into this video…..

They may as well rename the Mirai the “Edsel”

“Manuri”

Mirage?

Seems Toyota conveniently forgot about all the energy used grow the feed to make that bullshit. Bullshit doesn’t magically appear you know. Toyota is doing all they can to extend the age of oil.

indeed, bullsh*t is very good fuel for various application. Only problem is that the supply of bullsh*t is no way adequate to any meaningful applications. If even if we combine all biowaste and convert it to hydrogen, it is not sufficient.

Therefore there are other better uses for bullsh*t and biowaste in general. Such as compost it and using it as fertilizer.

That is all propaganda, they perfectly know the hydrogen will be produced from fossil fuels for 99.99% of the volume. In more biogas is a source of electricity and can give more KWh to the wheels when directly loaded in a battery than when it has to go through the loop of hydrogen production and than through a fuel cell to produce electricity. And it will be the same story in all the other coming episodes. Faster superchargers are the way, not hydrogen.

Total propaganda. The question is not whether a fuel is “everywhere.” The question is how ubiquitous it is in usable form at a reasonable price. For hydrogen, the answer is that it’s almost nowhere in this form, and it takes an enormous amount of investment and energy to create the few usable outlets for it. For electricity, we have a grid that puts it almost everywhere, at reasonable cost, and the only challenge is to tap into that grid as needed. This can be done at very low cost at literally millions of locations.

Toyota has to work hard to sell hydrogen because it doesn’t in any way sell itself to anyone who takes an honest look at the realities of infrastructure.

They used to be an innovative car company, but they are definitely in decline and have lost the edge. This is one more sign of that.

You nailed it. Technically, Nuclear Energy is WAY more plentiful, and much more abundant than even hydrogen.

Heck, grab an atom, any atom and split it. You’ve got energy. It is all around us. I’ve got entire power plant’s worth of Nuclear Energy right here I can reach out and touch right now.

That doesn’t mean I can power my car with it in any realistic manor. That line about hydrogen being common is such a BS line.

“can be made from renewable sources”

Yes, but _is_ it made from renewable sources? No, it’s not. This is just a way to muddle the waters

Yes it is. California requires at least 33% renewable hydrogen be sold at stations co-funded by the state (in other words, all of them). That percentage rises to 50% in subsequent years. After a certain number of FCVs are sold in California, the renewable hydrogen percentage requirements will apply to all hydrogen stations in the state, regardless of whether they received state funding.

That’s why the first pilot/demo hydrogen fueling station built under this mandate generates its own hydrogen on-site via electrolysis. As a result, it generates hydrogen so slowly that it can only fuel about 10 cars per day.

http://insideevs.com/california-gets-first-hydrogen-station-can-actually-sell-fuel/

Yes, you read that right: The first public, $2 million hydrogen fueling station can fuel only 10 cars per day. By comparison, the average gas station services 1100 per day.

Not to mention, of course, that the electricity it uses to perform electrolysis, then compress and later dispense the hydrogen, could -much- more efficiently be used to charge batteries; more efficient by something like 300-400%.

The question shouldn’t be just “can hydrogen be made by renewable energy”.

It should be “can hydrogen be made by renewable energy EFFICIENTLY.” That answer is always no, as pointed out above.

Without considering efficiency, it is like asking your mechanic if they can make your family sedan go 300 miles an hour. The answer is yes. — As long as you toss out all logic and reason, and have an unlimited budget for unlimited modifications.

In other words, the answer is no.

{Shaking may head sadly}. I just don’t get it. Engineer Scott said “it can be done”. But a real engineer also asks, and answers “Is there a simpler way? Cheaper? More efficient?” And that answer is also clear and already available. Why certain people with the power to influence outcomes elect to ignore that answer, that I just don’t get.

If you look closely at the credits it says:

Executive Producer: Dave Mart

Tesla should do a video, PV / Windenergy -> loading Tesla. Video lenght should be around 30 seconds. After this would be clear what is the easy way…

Let’s imagine for a moment that Toyota could wave a magical wand to place a hydrogen fueling pump at every existing gas station and that the $/mile fueling cost was same as gas.

Even in that fantasy scenario, would someone today making a decision between BEV & FCEV choose FCEV? I know I wouldn’t.

Polite company would not this sort of talk. I usually enjoy listening to both Gerald Celente, and Lord Christopher Moncton, but they both have foul mouths, which goes well in downstate NY but here it upstate and most of the rest of the country is considered uncouth.

That aside, and with the 50% “Renewable” requirement of California, I struggle to see two things:

1). How, in effect do they plan on meeting the requirement?

2). What is the subsidized and unsubsidized cost of 1 gallon equivalent (to pick a round number, say 116,000 btu for the lousy ethanoled gasoline we have these days).

The industry, and Toyota, who seems to be betting the farm on Hydrogen, may leak out the answer for #1. But no one anywhere seems to want to give an answer to #2 so I assume the prices are relatively high.

The answer to your #2 Bill, provide 3 years of free hydrogen on a 3 year lease.

In other words, pass the buck.

Hi Mark…

I thought that was only until an accurate commercial dispenser (‘hydrogen’ pump) could be developed that they were doing the free thing.. Supposedly now they’ve perfected the accurate dispenser and they are now charging for it. But I have no clue what they are doing in California.

Bill Howland said:

“…with the 50% “Renewable” requirement of California… How, in effect do they plan on meeting the requirement?”

I don’t think there is any “plan”, or at least no informed attempt to create a realistic plan. The push for hydrogen powered cars, and hydrogen fueling stations to support them, seems to be a result of lobbying by Big Oil allied with a few auto makers who have noticed that making some “fool cell” compliance cars will earn them more carbon credits than will plug-in EV compliance cars. This unholy alliance has unfortunately been aided in their attempts to influence State legislatures in California and a few other States by some activism from misguided “Greenies” who lack even a basic understanding of science and have been hoodwinked into thinking that hydrogen fuel is a good idea.

I am 82.I have no scientific or engineering background. We run our 3rd PRIUS, this one a plug-in on 1.solar panels & 2.the innovative Baxi ‘Ecogen’domestic chp c/htg gas boiler(needed in northern UK winters).6000 miles = 30(UK)gallons(3 tanksful)=200mpg (mostly local trips).Can’t afford a Tesla.Has anybody in California got a BEV RAV4 for sale?¿COMPRENDEN,AMIGOS?

When we get home from the store etc.,we just drive it into the garage&then we unhook the dedicated (Govt subsidised)cable from the wall&plug it into the car.Then the kilowatts of electricity come down from the big nuclear power station in the sky &/or the c/htg boiler ensure that the Prius is fuelled for the next trip. Then we unplug it!Then,at the end of every quarter, we submit the generation figures to our energy suppliers. Then they send us a cheque for all the electricity we have generated,EVEN IF WE HAVE USED IT ALL OURSELVES, ON SITE!This is our 5th Toyota&our 3rd PRIUS.
We’re eagerly awaiting the launch of the MIRAI! EEH! I CAN ‘ARDLY WAAIIIT!!!
.

We live ‘out in the sticks’,in the foot hills of the Pennines,the ‘Backbone of England’,
surrounded by green fields,resplendent with English oaks&cattle&sheep.So the basic ingredients of hydrogen are readily available! All we need now to power a MIRAI is S(ynthetic)H(ydrocarbon)I(nduction) T(echnology)!

No transport or hydrogen needed to transform it into energy, just a direct production of electricity right on the farm. These guys know how to do it right:

What they should have said – Hydrogen Fuel is bullsh*t as it keeps the current status of fuel distributors and governments happy – While wasting energy actually making hydrogen fuel and transporting it.

Wouldn’t it be better just to charge a battery ? Now there is an idea 😉

I’ve got two Toyota hybrids, being an early adopter, and love them. I am looking forward to the next gen Leaf or Tesla’s affordable car to retire one of them.
Whenever I go to my dealership I ask them why such an innovative company doesn’t have a BEV- hell, even GM is going to do it!