Tesla Superchargers In Norway Getting Overcrowded – Video


Tesla Supercharger Crowded In Norway

Tesla Supercharger Crowded In Norway

With 3,134 Tesla Model S sedans sold in Norway in the first 6 months of 2014, the Model S population is growing rapidly in the Nordic country.  In fact, the Model s population is growing so rapidly that the 10 Superchargers in Norway are now becoming overcrowded.

As Model S owner and resident of Norway Bjorn Nyland states:

“Just to give you an idea of how many Tesla Model S there are in Norway. This video was shot on a typical Sunday evening in Brokelandsheia (Cinderella) supercharger.”

According to Bjorn, it’s typical to now see at least some of Norway’s Superchargers line up with Model S sedans.  In the video, you’ll see that this Supercharger is full with a queue starting to form.

It seems Norway, like in some locales in the U.S., will require more Superchargers to handle the influx of Model S sedans.

While overcrowded Superchargers could be considered a problem that Tesla needs to rectify, we’re rather certain that Tesla will consider this rapid Model S population growth to be a positive.  More Superchargers are coming.  Hold tight Model S owners.

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We Count 10 Superchargers In Norway

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I’ve always wondered if people that live near a Supercharger network use them to charge even when they’re not traveling instead of just charging at home. I would hope not because that could create unnecessary wait times for people that are actually using them for their intended purpose.

Once the developers kit is released, I’m wondering if a SuperCharger Reservation / Scheduler App, might help manage overcrowded Charging sites?

It’s widely exoected that Tesla will incorporate Supercharger information in their updated navigation.

The “weakness” of this otherwise superb charger is that when more than half of the spots are in use, you start sharing the charging capacity and charging speed is reduced, meaning each car stays longer …

Let’s hope the electric infrastructure in the area allows for more power to be delivered so more chargers can be added. When Elon starts delivering 100000ish of cars the number of Superchargers must be increased to many thousand.

It does not quite work that way–the first person to plug in gets priority and the second person gets the excess capacity. In reality, this is not as bad as it sounds as the SC progressively ramps down power as the battery charges, so its continually freeing up capacity. The only time this really fails is if you happen to plug in behind someone with a very low SoC.

It looks like there was one slot open. Why didn’t Bjorn take that on?

Also aren’t there 2 charging cords on each white pedestal/charger?

No, every box has 1 cable. Just looks not full, because you can park from both sides at that location.

Oh OK.

Then the guy using the end charger must have just started charging and somehow Bjorn knew that and was waiting for another spot where a guy would be done sooner.

How do these guys know about what spot in the queue they are? Is it an app or something?

I thought it would be cool to have a display on each charger that showed charging rate and time remaining. Even some lights that would change color based on this info.

The SC system is a pseudo-ponzi scheme as Tesla cannot possibly construct enough to meet demand. Norway is on the leading edge, the US will soon follow. And yes, people are using them for “personal” charging, according to several Tesla blog sites.

Has someone made a system to get the power out of the Tesla at home, like the Nissan Leaf at Home CHAdeMO system?

$85 kWh of electricity is valued at just a couple dollars, so not sure if too many owners would risk used of a $70,000+ investment?

Extracting power from a Tesla Model S battery would require disconnecting the pack from the vehicle. Even then, the cell modules in the pack are controlled by a battery manage system (computerized algorithms), that would need to be hacked without being detected by Tesla. Types of actions that would void an owners warrenty and most likely exclude future supercharging unless inspected by Tesla that integrity and safety features of a pack were not compromised.

If theorically had access to a DC connection in a Tesla pack, you’d still need an $8-10,000 DC to AC inverter to convert electricity usable by a home. This along would pay for multiple years of grid power.

If I had a Tesla I won’t try taking out power out of it. In that I would be driving it so much that it would be constantly be devouring up the electric bill to feed it.

I really think electric car to grid is a waste of time and energy considering a car needs large amounts of energy to run. Not the other way around.

“Tesla cannot possibly construct enough to meet demand”

Says who?

Almost 5,000 Model S sales and $2k from each means $10M to fund supercharging. They could build 30 stations with half of that, which is almost 3x what they have right now.

It’s a very sustainable business model.

Globally, Model S drivers only supercharge about 7% of their miles driven. (based on stats from June of ~21 million supercharged miles of 273 million miles driven).

Question is … are Norway Model S drivers driving more than an average global Model S driver, or just supercharging more miles? While we don’t know this, TeslaMotors has the data on % of supercharged miles and how many miles each driver is supercharging.

FYI: It wouldn’t take more than a software update for Tesla to give drivers an ample allocation of free supercharged miles per year, or month to control cases of abuse. eg: 2500-3000 miles of Supercharging would be 15-20% of an average annual 15,000 miles of driving. Another option is a smaller limit on supercharging at a Supercharger that are within 125 miles of owners home, but keep unlimited supercharging for locations farther away. Either way, charging would still be free, just some reasonable limits placed to ensure fair access to all needing a charge to travel. (mote: these are just a couple of hypothetical options, not anything Tesla has stated)

Or Norway simply has the highest number of cars per supercharger. We know that they have by far the biggest Tesla marketshare of any country due to the heavy tax subsidies.

I really think what’s going on is there is simply a flood of Teslas getting on the road. In that they set several Europe all time Tesla sales several times in a row.

The bottom line is they are going to have enlarge a lot of the stations by three to five times and build possibly a 100 of them in Norway alone. There is no app that can fix the fact that there are lots of Teslas hitting the road in such a small area.

For the United States I think Tesla in about 20 years or ten years is going to at least need 80,000 super charger locations to feed the charging needs of a million Teslas driving around.

If they start using digital tech to oppress being able to charge for free at the Tesla charging stations this means the whole free Tesla supercharging access. In that I have a Tesla super charging station a block away from me and I get to go down there everytime I want to feed my pet. Then it’s Teslas fault for saying free super charger access.

Remember, this is Europe and almost everyone goes on vacation this time of year. So it may be a surge of charging due to lots of people going on a Tesla Model S road trip at the same time.

“Ponzi”: You keep using this word, but I do not think it means what you think it means.


Love that book / movie. 🙂

It’s definitely no ponzi and pseudo-ponzi has no meaning, unless you’d like to try to define one?

As for it being impossible to expand the network to meet demand, care to explain why you think it’s impossible?

As long as they install the superchargers in the middle-of-nowhere places between major cities, I don’t think people using them for personal charging will be much of an issue.

This is why There are almost no superchargers in the SF bay area except for one at the Fremont Tesla factory.

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PJS, that’s bunk. Anyone who does the math will see that not only is Tesla’s strategy imminently maintainable, but profitable for the company.

Tesla owners pre-pay $2,000 for the use of the network. Almost all Superchargers are located in between major metro areas to facilitate long distance travel beyond the 200-265 mi range of the Model S.

Most Tesla drivers use Superchargers infrequently. When some site have become busy, like Gilroy, Tesla has shown a willingness to upgrade them promptly. In the case of Gilroy, from 4 to 12 stations.

What other charge network providers
even come close to Tesla’s performance?

For PJS and others who don’t have a calculator within easy reach:

~25k Tesla sales w Supercharger option x $2k = 50,000,000

$250k per SC install

Avg SC charge session ~40kWh x 0.12 = $4.80 per SC charge.

208 SC sessions per Model S driver before Tesla loses money on the deal, not including “interest” on the extra $250 million set aside to cover electricity & maintenance.

An average Model S owner would have to go on 8 long distance trips per year to use their “allocation” over 12 years.

Tesla might have things get better for them when they add solar battery systems. Where they have massive mega watt sized solar panel systems collecting power for a charger station that can feed 50 Tesla charging up at once.

It’s an “old” video from the main holidays in norway and before Lier south and Lier north opened.

But still it shows that the network needs to be gradually expanded in popular areas with more stalls at that charger and maybe another station along the Kristiansand – Oslo route.

Now imagine what will happen if Tesla comes out with a more moderately priced mass market vehicle in a few years. I wonder if this approach is scalable with the current charging times.

1) They will also have a bigger network by then.
2) More cars will bring more money to pay for an even bigger network.
3) The model 3 won’t come with free charging. Perhaps you can buy it for $2k extra. I suspect that they will charge people for each supercharge use so people won’t use it unless they need it. And when they do use it, that money will pay for more chargers.

I don’t think it’s just a question of money. Of course they will build more stations by then, but the number of stalls at any given location is limited by space and electrical capacity at that location. The real question is what is the likelihood that all spots are occupied at the location where I am right now. If I first have to drive half an hour to another location (and with no guarantee that there will be a free slot there when I arrive), that would be a major hassle. The current model is only convenient as long as the available spots are over-provisioned in relation to the number of cars that can use them.

The best way to address this would be to shorten the charging times to minutes instead of half an hour or more. Or perhaps Tesla needs to introduce a reservation system similar to Chargepoint’s, so at least you know in advance that you will actually find a free stall.

Well, they can have an app tell you if there is an open charging slot or not. And possible a reservation system.

And since they get feedback from all their charging stations, they will know when one gets over crowded and add more.

I don’t think that too few chargers will be a problem for them. . . but what a great problem to have if it does come to that! 🙂

Elon Musk has stated that the third generation will have free super charging for life too. Well, “free” probably beeing either $2-3k included in the price or as an option.

But the whole system and idea of keeping it without any trubble, money or cards is just brilliant.

Charge at home you cheapskates.

I wonder if Fastned is considering expansion into Norway?