New Tesla Supercharger Fair Use Policy Deters Commercial Charging

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DEC 17 2017 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 62

The new Tesla Supercharger Fair Use Policy will apply to all global Superchargers, as well as all vehicles purchased/leased after December 15, 2017.

Unfortunately, all Tesla vehicles acquired prior to the specified date don’t have to adhere to the new policy. However, it does include vehicles acquired through any type of transaction; public or private, Tesla or Third Party.

Once we have a measurable number of Model 3s on the road, the already growing problem of Tesla Supercharger crowding and misuse will become exponential in certain areas. Tesla is getting ahead of the issue by updating its policy. Specifically, the new “fair use” policy will work to discourage commercial use of the EV chargers.

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Tesla Model S and X at Tesla Supercharger

Tesla has maintained all along that the Supercharger network is primarily for long-distance travel. People are expected to charge their vehicles at home, generally overnight. This should provide more than enough miles for the average, or even lengthy, commute. Although, when people are traveling great distances, the Supercharger network becomes a necessity and is one of the number one advantages of being a Tesla owner.

Due to the availability of Superchargers, and the fact that it has been free, many Tesla owners use them to charge on a regular basis. This will be a problem when the automaker’s global fleet grows substantially.

This new policy will also apply to Tesla taxi and service fleets, but only if and when the companies purchase a new vehicle. Due to the cutoff date mentioned above, current fleets can still use the charging network as they have in the past. Tesla has future plans to provide other charging alternatives for fleets.

In the event that owners or businesses abuse the new policy, Tesla has the ability to remove/limit the vehicle’s ability to access the network.

Supercharger Fair Use Policy (via the automaker’s legal website):

Introduction

We are continually expanding our global network of Supercharger stations to enable personal long distance travel and to provide a charging solution for those without immediate access to home or workplace charging, thereby accelerating the widespread adoption of electric vehicles. When Superchargers are used beyond their intended purpose, it negatively impacts the availability of Supercharging services for others.

Supercharger Fair Use

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Fleets like Tesloop won’t be able to access the Tesla Supercharger network when they purchase new vehicles, however, Tesla has future plans for fleet charging.

To help ensure that Superchargers are available for their intended use, we ask that you not charge your vehicle using a Supercharger if your vehicle is being used:

  • as a taxi;
  • for ridesourcing or ridesharing (through Uber, Lyft or similar services);
  • to commercially deliver or transport goods;
  • for government purposes; or
  • for any other commercial venture.
  • If you charge your vehicle in a manner that does not comply with this Supercharger Fair Use Policy, we may ask you to modify this behavior. We may also take additional action to protect the availability of Superchargers for their intended purpose, such as limiting or blocking your vehicle’s ability to use Supercharger stations.

This Policy applies to all Superchargers worldwide and all Tesla vehicles purchased, either new or used, whether from Tesla or a third party, after December 15, 2017. Tesla may choose to exclude certain Supercharger stations or occasional trips from the scope of this Policy, such as to accommodate specific local circumstances.

Charging Alternatives

We encourage the commercial use of Tesla vehicles while using appropriate charging solutions. Please reach out to your local sales contact to explore vehicle and charging options that suit your needs. For questions related to home charging, please contact charginginstallation@tesla.com.

Source: Tesla via Electrek

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ggpa
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ggpa

“This Policy applies to all Superchargers worldwide and all Tesla vehicles purchased, either new or used, whether from Tesla or a third party, after December 15, 2017”

I though the supercharger privilege is part of the vehicle and follow the vehicle when sold. It is surprising that Tesla can change the policy for a vehicle that is privately transferred.

wavelet
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wavelet

You’re right, the unlimited free Supercharging did transfer to the new owner when selling a Tesla privately, see here:
https://www.teslarati.com/tesla-updates-free-lifetime-supercharger-policy-dec-31-deadline/

Looks like the phrasing in the article is missing something. It’s a safe bet someone will sue, so it’ll end up truly clarified (-:

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

I don’t understand what the confusion is. For any Tesla car (or at least, any Model S or X) bought on or before December 15, 2017, “free Supercharger charging” includes commercial use. For cars purchased after that date, commercial use of Superchargers is not allowed.

Where is the confusion?

The only question in my mind is what happens to Model 3’s. Tesla has instituted different terms of service for Supercharger use for TM3s. The wording here suggests it applies equally to TM3s.

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

It says new OR used after 12/15 which conflicts with statements in the past that free supercharging stays with the car on future used purchases of vehicles bought prior to 12/15.

Hence the confusion.

Omicron
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Omicron

Free supercharging does stay with the vehicle, forever. Nothing about that policy changed, nor did Tesla claim anywhere that it changed. You just can’t use the superchargers for commercial ventures anymore.

It goes like this:

– Original Tesla car has free supercharging
– Someone buys that car, it keeps its free supercharging
– That person runs a taxi service, meaning despite having free supercharging, using the supercharger is not allowed
– The car is sold again, this time to a private owner
– The car still has free supercharging
– Because the new owner is not using it commercially, superchargers can once again be used

At no point does the car lose the included free supercharging. Of course, if you are a business owner, it sucks to be you, since you cannot actually utilitze it in any used cars that you buy… but then again, it was never intended to be utilized that way. And despite that, the cars you already own can continue to use the network anyway.

wavelet
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wavelet

“Free supercharging does stay with the vehicle, forever. Nothing about that policy changed, nor did Tesla claim anywhere that it changed. You just can’t use the superchargers for commercial ventures anymore.”
Your last sentence is where the confusion lies. The original Tesla policy (until mid-2017) DIDN’T limit commercial use or mention it at all, and specifically stated that used vehicles sold onwards retain the same privileges forever.
The new policy seems to say that Tesla no longer allows commercial use for anyone buying a used Tesla after the mid-December date. That DIRECTLY contradicts the previous policy; a person intending to sell their Tesla for such use could certainly raise the argument that the vehicle is now worth less due to the change, and sue.

Dan
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Dan

Tesla has gotten itself in this position by offering “free” (really paid for by Tesla) charging.

For the whole electric vehicle charging system to work long term the electricity will have to be priced so that the provider can make a reasonable profit (or at least break even) and the cost is transparent to the customer.

this means selling electricity by the kwh (with a penalty for slow charging on a fast charger). The price will have to vary based on the time of day, day of the week, and season so as to not unduely push up the peak demand on the grid.

This is, of course, how it already works if you charge at home with a time of use electricity plan (minus the slow charging penalty).

For widespread adoption of EVs to be acceptable to normal people, the charging structure also should move to one where any vehicle can charge at any charging station. There are no vehicle brand specific fuel stations.

mzs.112000
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mzs.112000

Does this affect commercial use of the CHAdeMO adapter?
AFAIK when you use the CHAdeMO adapter the Tesla thinks it’s a Supercharger(a really slow one). But at the same time, if it doesn’t affect CHAdeMO use, now we will see long waits at already crowded CHAdeMO stations.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
Not all charging at Tesla chargers is equal. For example, there’s a significant difference between Tesla Superchargers and Tesla Destination Chargers. The rules limiting Supercharger use don’t apply to other charging, even when using a Tesla charging system… or a Tesla adapter. You’re certainly correct to say that limiting Supercharger use will encourage or force some few drivers to charge at CHAdeMO stations instead, so they can get free charging. I don’t expect it will have significant impact, because not that many people are such cheapskates that they’d be willing to wait significantly longer to charge, just to save what would probably be, at most, a dollar or two. And I also strongly doubt that many Model S’s or X’s are being used as taxis. The cost of a MS or MX puts it more in the realm of limousine service. Sure, there are exceptions, but not many. Now, things may change significantly if this vision some people have, of ride-sharing services become popular, becomes reality. Personally I doubt that’s ever going to have much impact on car ownership, but I could be wrong there. We’ll have to wait and see what the future brings. But if we’re looking ahead… Read more »
David Murray
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David Murray

The fact that they are overcrowding should spur some 3rd party companies to install their own nearby that people will have to pay to use. It will get to the point where if the choices are waiting an hour for a spot at a free super charger, or paying a fee to use the one across the street, the fee is a better option.

Nix
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Nix

“We encourage the commercial use of Tesla vehicles while using appropriate charging solutions. Please reach out to your local sales contact to explore vehicle and charging options that suit your needs.”

I wish they would have included more details about these “charging options” in their press release.

It sounds like they must have some sort of plan for some sort of chargers in between the current Destination chargers that companies can currently install on their property, and the Semi Truck ultra-high power chargers that they have announced that companies will be able to install at their sites.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

This part of the Tesla’s press release reads to me like they are encouraging commercial users to install Tesla Destination Chargers:

“We encourage the commercial use of Tesla vehicles while using appropriate charging solutions. Please reach out to your local sales contact to explore vehicle and charging options that suit your needs”

In fact, I’ve read of at least one privately owned Supercharger, so that is also an option. Presumably a privately owned Supercharger would, like a Tesla Destination Charger, be owned, operated, and powered by the property owner, not by Tesla; and like a Destination charger, the property owner could set the rules for who is or is not allowed to use the charger.

Someone out there
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Someone out there

Turns out “unlimited free supercharging” was a bad idea. Understandable, “free” always gets abused. It was a good selling point when the company was young but it’s biting them in the backside

Stimpacker
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Stimpacker

+100 EXACTLY!

It’s overcrowded because of the free for life policy that most if not all S or X get.

Not only that, many in my area remain plugged in even though they are past 90% or even full. The SC bays here are frequently full from local users (no Model 3 here yet).

On top of that, the new ambiguous policy of throttling down SC power in unshared bays are getting very annoying (tons of complaints in TMC forum). Long distance travel lately is taking an hour or more than usual.

Solving these issues will yield bigger impact than limiting commercial charg but I don’t see how Tesla can renege on the promised free for life supercharging. Sigh.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Stimpacker said:

“On top of that, the new ambiguous policy of throttling down SC power in unshared bays are getting very annoying (tons of complaints in TMC forum). Long distance travel lately is taking an hour or more than usual.”

This is the first I’d read of that! IMHO that is going to do far more to lessen the perceived advantage of Tesla’s Supercharger network than imposing parking fees or restricting Supercharger use to non-commercial drivers.

I always thought of Tesla installing and promoting its Supercharger network as a “riding the tiger” situation. That is, you’re safe as long as you are on the back of the tiger; the danger comes when you want to climb off! If Tesla is now throttling back on Supercharger charging power even at unshared Superchargers, that’s a pretty strong indication that Tesla now thinks the costs of powering and maintaining the Supercharger network are beginning to outweigh the benefits they get from it, in terms of helping sales.

Nick
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Nick

I don’t think that’s fair to say.

Tesla got huge positive press and many stories about people taking free road trips in the Model S due to the super charger policy.

You have to weight that against the overcrowding issue to know if it’s a net positive or negative.

SparkEV
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People buying $75K+ cars don’t care about “free road trip”. If anything, negative experience associated with free chargers crowding and waiting is far more detrimental to overall EV (not just Tesla) than attracting handful of cheapskate $75K+ car buyer who wanted “free”.

Free charging SUCKS!!!

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

That’s your private hobby horse, Sparky. Nobody else is forced to ride it.

Certainly unlimited free charging is exacerbating the “tragedy of the commons” situation for any individual driver wanting to charge his PEV. But there is no question — it’s a fact, not an opinion — that Tesla’s offer of “free Supercharging for the life of the car” has helped it a great deal in selling its cars.

It’s no surprise that as Tesla’s fleet of cars grows, more and more restrictions have to be added to that “unlimited free use for life” offer. “Unlimited free use for life” is the ideal, and could only be supported when the total number of Tesla cars was relatively small. The bigger that number grows, the more Tesla will have to impose practical limits.

But that doesn’t at all mean that it was a “mistake” for Tesla to make the ideal offer initially. Quite clearly, that was a huge success for Tesla… contrary to your idee fixe view of the situation.

SparkEV
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If you think people got Tesla in any part due to free charging, you are smoking some good sh*t. Tesla cars are great, free charging or not. It was a huge mistake to offer free charging, and now they have to refuse commercial users from using their services. If it wasn’t free in the first place, they wouldn’t have all the crowding issues nor turn away customers (commercial users) from using them.

Free charging is a HUGE mistake!!!

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

SparkEV said:

“If you think people got Tesla in any part due to free charging, you are smoking some good sh*t.”

Denying reality does not actually change reality, Sparky. You could also argue the Earth is flat; it wouldn’t change the facts.

* * * * *

A quote from a Consumer Reports article:

One of Tesla Motors’ key selling points is its Supercharger network, a system of publicly-accessible, high-power electric vehicle rechargers that can juice up Tesla models to an 80 percent charge (around 170 miles of range) in about 30 minutes. Perhaps as important: It’s free.

https://www.consumerreports.org/tesla/tesla-superchargers-model-3/

SparkEV
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People who buy $75K+ cars care so much about couple of dollars worth of free electricity? Flat earth, indeed.

As for consumer reports, they reported that Tesla broke their ranking system only to have it rank low (or lowest) among similarly priced cars. They are full of crap.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Since I’ve clearly won the argument, I don’t need to keep arguing.

But please feel free to carry on as long as you like, Sparky, if you think that will make the Earth any flatter. 😉

ClarksonCote
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ClarksonCote

You didn’t cite anything claiming owners actually want a Tesla because of the free supercharging.

So you’ve both stated your opinions and nothing more. One of you is right or both of you are wrong. The burden of proof has not been met to determine it. 😛

David Cary
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David Cary

Everyone likes free. People with a good amount of money like free. That being said, there are very few owners who actually save much money over the whole thing.

I would have bought if it was not free. Waiting is a much bigger concern. I have supercharged about 10 times – mostly relatively short run adding 100 miles or so. 2.6 years, 48k miles. Even if I paid $5 a charge (our retail rate here is $.10 – so 50 kwh), that would not be a significant consideration.

The other owner I knew well didn’t supercharge in 3 years. But I also know 2 that have supercharged way more than I have.

notting
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notting
As long as that vehicles are only standing there when they’re charging and are paying for additional kWh, I don’t understand why Tesla changes that policy in such a way. Not everywhere it’s possible to charge the vehicle at home (or in the company). So fast-charging is very important. And why it shouldn’t happen that someone is a longer commercial trip and need’s some fast-charging? And that policy isn’t saying that “Tesla has future plans to provide other charging alternatives for fleets.”. But even if they have such plans, they should let that companies to switch _before_ they cut them off the SC network. Respectively they also don’t give them a chance to use other similar fast (e.g. CCS) chargers 🙁 From that point of view, a VW (e.g. E-Golf) or BMW (e.g. i3) can charge more than twice as fast than a Model S (16.5kW with that option, else just 11kW) then. VW and BMW can charge with 40-50kW (via CCS option). I always had the feeling that the SC flat-rate won’t last forever although like all Tesla fanboys said something different. But I was right. And it’s ok, at other chargers you also have to pay. But I… Read more »
ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Tesla’s getting ready to ramp the Model 3.
They can’t let the breakage continue.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

Tesla’s getting ready to ramp the Model 3.
They can’t let the breakage continue. Commercial users are an easy case.

Dan
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Dan

How on earth are they going to police this anyway? Seems like a rule easily broken without consequence.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
notting said: “As long as that vehicles are only standing there when they’re charging and are paying for additional kWh, I don’t understand why Tesla changes that policy in such a way.” Many or most guarantees don’t apply to commercial use. Read the fine print on the warranty of just about any appliance you can buy, small or large: It will spell out that the warranty is void for commercial use. Ditto for your car insurance policy; it’s void if your car is used for commercial purposes. How can you suggest it’s fair for one person using his Tesla car for hours and hours every day to make money, to be a freeloader on Tesla’s Supercharger network? How can you suggest it’s fair for one driver to sponge off Tesla in getting kWh for commercial use of a car, rather than paying for it themselves, and to do that day in and day out? How can you suggest it’s fair for someone to occupy a Supercharger stall that many hours a week, not just for a few days on a road trip, but constantly throughout the year? The Supercharger network was set up to enable Tesla drivers — private car… Read more »
notting
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notting

Your posting partitionally doesn’t make sense.
I: “As long as that vehicles are only standing there when they’re charging *and are paying for additional kWh*, I don’t understand why Tesla changes that policy in such a way.”
You: “How can you suggest it’s fair for one person using his Tesla car for hours and hours every day to make money, to be a *freeloader* on Tesla’s Supercharger network?”
-> I’m NOT talking about that the flat-rate must be also available for commercial use for new Teslas! And newer Teslas (usually) don’t have a SC flat-rate in general!

You: “Many or most guarantees don’t apply to commercial use.”
At least here in Germany, AFAIK it must be explicitely in the contract resp. terms&conditions. But Tesla obviously didn’t do something like that.
And I already said: According to that article here, Tesla doesn’t give them the chance to switch (where they have to pay probably more) before they’re cut off 🙁

notting

SparkEV
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This is dumb move by Tesla. What’s the alternative for commercial users? Overcrowded and slow Chademo?

Tesla should’ve just changed the policy so that commercial users must pay for charging based on time (not kWh) so that they will get off the charger sooner as well as Tesla getting some money. Something like $1/min (about that of 10 MPG gas car after taper) should get them moving in a hurry and still be able to use the superchargers in a pinch.

Then if commercial user is short on time, they will pay dearly to Tesla to use the supercharger. If they are not in a hurry and want to save few bucks, they can wait at Chademo.

But something about Tesla that they don’t want to have people pay for charging. Weird.

ItsNotAboutTheMoney
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ItsNotAboutTheMoney

No, the alternative is to:
1) Use home base Level 2 for the basic daily range
2) Not to treat Supercharger stalls as parking spaces
3) Strike a deal with Tesla to pay a supplementary fee for Supercharging if a lot of it will be required.

SparkEV
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We’re talking about commercial users who need more than full battery range of the car. Home charging doesn’t cut it. Granted, free charging invites abuse, but not allowing any charging is just bad policy. As I say often,

Free charging SUCKS!!!

I like your #3 option, but that has to be pay per use (billed per time), not for lump-sum fee. Like with taxes, you don’t feel the pain until you actually have to write out the check.

Robert Weekley
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Unlike monitored parking lots, Tesla Superchargers dont have a ‘Lot Mgr’, or ‘Lot Person’, to manage the Vehicles that get parked there! The fact that some Tesla Owners (herein refered to as ‘Rich Dudes!’) Use the Superchargers as Private Parking Lots, is in part a fault to standard terminology problems. Everyone – Mostly – Understands you don’t ‘Park’ your ICE Vehicles right at the Gas Pumps for 8+ Hours, and Block them from others, even if the Gas Station has 24 Pumps! Those same ‘Rich Dudes’ somehow don’t get that you just don’t do the same thing at a public EV Charging Station, if it is not actual, on company, ‘Workplace Charging!’ That is, in my opinion, a problem first caused by signage: “Electric Vehicle Parking Only”, and at Superchargers: “Tesla Parking Only”. That incorrectly worded signage is an ‘OK To Park Here’ statement, to EV’s and to Tesla’s!! That needs to be corrected, almost everywhere, at charging stations, in my opinion! Very few use signs: ‘For Electric Vehicle Charging Only – Move Vehicle After Charging’, as their notices at any EV Charging Stations! Heck, at the Revelstoke Supercharger, right behind a Hotel (Motel?), they had Pickup Trucks with Trailers… Read more »
Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

SparkEV said:

“This is dumb move by Tesla.”

That’s very, very strange coming from the one guy among our Usual Suspects who has made it his mission in life to convince everyone that “free EV charging sucks”. I’d think you would be applauding this change!

“What’s the alternative for commercial users? Overcrowded and slow Chademo?”

The alternative is for commercial users to pay to install some sort of EV charging system that is intended for commercial use. One option would be for taxi fleet owners to install their own Tesla Destination Chargers or their own private Superchargers (I’ve read of at least one precedent), and use those for charging their fleet. Independent taxi drivers could rent the use of a fleet’s chargers, or perhaps independent taxi drivers could form a consortium or co-op to pay for their own private chargers, either Superchargers or lower powered DCFC chargers.

If Tesla is pressuring commercial EV drivers to move away from “free charging” services, isn’t that a good thing, Sparky? Isn’t that exactly what you have been advocating here so loudly and so frequently?

I would think that you, of all people, would be even more strongly in favor of this change than I am!

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Tesla didn’t set up the Supercharger network to make money. It set up the Supercharger network to help sell its cars. That’s a fact, not opinion, and Tesla has explicitly stated its intention is for the Supercharger network to be revenue-neutral.

If you refuse to recognize those facts, if you maintain your willful ignorance on the issue, then it’s no wonder you don’t get it.

SparkEV
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Offering free charging that lead to needless waiting is not helping to sell cars. If they really wanted to help sell more cars, they’d take the money to set up more superchargers. Turning away potential payees is not helping sell cars nor help put up more superchargers.

Yeah, I really don’t understand Tesla’s unwillingness to take money that could pay for more chargers. Not accepting money is completely contrary to their mission.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Sorry, your argument isn’t working. The Earth is still not flat.

Leon
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Leon

Bjørn Nyland is not going to like this new policy. So who is going to check to see what you are using your car for?

Robert Weekley
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Like Shultz said, “Ve have Vays to Make You Talk!” ?

Leon
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Leon

Pretty sure that was Colonel Klink and not Shultz.
Shultz was “I see Nothing, I know Nothing”

The 60’s were so wasted.

Ambulator
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Ambulator

No, that was Hochstetter (I think).

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
“So who is going to check to see what you are using your car for?” Indeed, there is the rub. Altho I think in many or most areas, taxi drivers are required to register with the State for a commercial license. Some areas have even bigger restrictions; New York City has or had a limited number of “medallions” it issued to taxi drivers, and if there are no medallions left, then you’re out of luck. Of course, there will always be people trying to use their car for taxi service “off the books”, and probably nothing Tesla can do about that. I expect that sort of thing will become more prevalent with ride-sharing services, too. If the passenger pays the car owner privately, not thru a commercial service, who would know? Of course you could imagine some sort of Big Brother violation of privacy to watch bank transactions for that sort of thing, but I think our Bill of Rights would prohibit that except where there was a warrant issued. One thing I find bizarre is that Tesla has said “You can’t use your Tesla car for any ride-sharing service except our own Tesla ride sharing service.” How could they… Read more »
Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

I’ve been predicting for some time that Tesla would institute this policy. In fact I’m surprised they didn’t have this restriction from the very start of the Supercharger network.

If Tesla’s proposed ride-sharing service becomes reality, will they make an exception for those Tesla cars being used for commercial purposes within their own network? I’m guessing “yes”, but I expect them to impose a fee for that.

MTN Ranger
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MTN Ranger

I didn’t see any comments regarding the new urban superchargers. There is a new one in my city that is in the middle of town in a mix use mall with hundreds (if not thousands) of nearby high density apartments.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Tesla installing “urban Superchargers” certainly does muddy the waters… by which I mean, it confuses the “terms of use” for the Supercharger network.

Tesla seemed to have made it pretty clear what their intent was, by saying Supercharger use was only to support long-distance travel, and that they were discouraging Tesla owners for using Superchargers for local charging, even imposing fees when Tesla thought they were doing so.

Yet the press release for Urban Superchargers suggests or implies that those are set up specifically so those apartment dwellers who don’t have access to slow chargers can use the Urban Superchargers for everyday charging!

I admit to being confused. Now, if Tesla said that all use of Urban Superchargers was going to be fee-based, then that would make sense. But so far as I know, they didn’t specify that at all.

Ob1
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Ob1

There are ways around everything Elon but good try.

terminaltrip421
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terminaltrip421

the cutoff date info is what I was looking for in the previous article I read. I understood Tesla’s inclination / need for the change but wondered how on earth they thought they could enforce their new ‘no use’ policy for vehicles already sold. ‘they don’t’ was the more logical answer but like I said the other article didn’t have that info. I wondered if their legalese included wording that their policy could change at anytime or the like, though that wouldn’t necessarily deter contention, just that I’ve belonged to multiple pay services that said my use was a privilege that could be revoked or changed at any time.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu
“…I’ve belonged to multiple pay services that said my use was a privilege that could be revoked or changed at any time.” IMHO it was a huge mistake, and an indication of a young inexperienced company, for Tesla to have originally offered Supercharging without imposing any terms of service for its use. A more experienced company would have looked ahead to what would inevitably happen as the number of Tesla cars on the road continued to grow, and would have included the disclaimer you refer to; something like “Terms of service are subject to change without notice at Tesla’s discretion.” As it is, Tesla keeps having to grandfather in all previously sold cars so that newly imposed restrictions don’t apply to existing cars. This is a real can of worms which Tesla has created for itself. And it can only get worse as the number of Tesla cars continues to grow, especially with the Model 3, which is almost certainly going to vastly outsell the Models S and X put together. Tesla should start now planning for the day when the Supercharger network is going to be obsolete and Tesla will either shut it down or sell it off to… Read more »
terminaltrip421
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terminaltrip421

“As it is, Tesla keeps having to grandfather in all previously sold cars so that newly imposed restrictions don’t apply to existing cars.” yeah I guess this cold have been an indicator that they likewise didn’t foresee the need to impose any other restrictions.

Don Zenga
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Don Zenga

I think Tesla should give a sum like $2,000 to $3,000 to the owners of Model S/X and tell them that they are discontinuing the free charging for them. This way, there will be no confusion and every one will be asked to pay for supercharging.

Otherwise some could use their vehicle as taxi or for business and make excessive use of supercharging.

God/Bacardi
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God/Bacardi

More trouble than it’s worth, many lawsuits would be filed against them and the negative press along with it…

Rusty
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Rusty

A good idea for the SC and all charging stations is to start charging for time spent after the vehicle is done charging. This will encourage people to move their cars quickly once they are done charging. EV parking should be enforced as a bylaw issue like handicapped spots.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Already done, and Tesla is charging a pretty stiff rate for parking after charging is finished, too! 40¢ per minute… that’s $24/hour!

https://insideevs.com/tesla-takes-action-40-centminute-charge-to-stop-supercharger-hogging/

Nick
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Nick

We have annoying ExecuTesla/Uber cars in Austin hogging the Chademo stations and abusing Superchargers.

They just leave them charging with the driver sleeping in the back, don’t pay meters or anything.

K A Cheah
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GREAT, TESLA KILLING SALES TO FLEET OPERATORS FROM TODAY, THOSE FLEETS THAT BOUGHT & WILL BUY TESLA BECAUSE OF SUPERCHARGING FACILITIES AND TO SAVE THE WORLD FROM POLLUTION NOW IT DEFEATS THEIR PURPOSES OF BUYING TESLA CARS AND WORST OF ALL THOSE STAYING IN APARTMENTS WITHOUT HOME CHARGING COULD NOT CHARGE AT NEARBY SUPERCHARGERS SO WHO WILL BUY TESLA IF THEY CANNOT CHARGE ANYWHERE EXCEPT FOR LONG DISTANCE TRAVELLING, ALWAYS COMING OUT WITH STUPID SELF-DEFEATING POLICIES???

Bill Howland
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Bill Howland

How do they know a supercharger user is an UBER driver?

wavelet
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wavelet

Excellent question…

ModernMarvelFan
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ModernMarvelFan

By the estimate of number of charging per day.

if it is the same spot and at least once per day, then it is a good guess that it is used for some kind of “taxi” services.. Even if it isn’t, then it is still abusive charging (not charging at home).

My question is that how can they tell the difference between someone who lives in a condo nearby to someone who drives for Uber/Lyft/Taxi?

ModernMarvelFan
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ModernMarvelFan

I think this is a good thing. it is just 5 years too late.

It should have been from day 1 to have this policy in place. Granted, Tesla was eager to sell more cars than worrying about overcrowding. But the time has come that it is time to address this issue or it will kill the SC model.

Time after time, we are reading about how a Tesla can rack up 200K miles per year, those commercial business are absolutely abusing the policy. I am even willing to bet that those “commercial abuse” account for more than half of the daily usage. The cost of electricity/charging saving is major part of the operation savings that they are accounting for when they purchase the Tesla.

Either way, it is time to eliminate those abuses.

Dan
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Dan

The whole Ev charging system is a bit of a mess at this point.

There is only one real answer: charge what the electricity costs plus a profit (profit limited by a competitive market of charging services like uh, gas stations where they cant’t charge much more than the station down the street).

Charging what it costs will mean charging more at peak times and less at off peak and less yet at way off peak times.

Additionally, an additional fee for leaving a car attached once the charging rate drops too low during the last 10% or 20% of charging solves the problem of people using the charger space as a parking place.

Last, all or nearly all charging stations need to work for all or nearly all EVs. Anything else is as rediculous as having car brand specific gas stations.