Tesla Patent Suggest Model S, X Will Get Model 3-Like HVAC Setup

JUN 14 2018 BY DOMENICK YONEY 15

To air, via a touch screen, is Tesla

One of the features in the Tesla Model 3 that received a fair amount of praise when the mid-size sedan was first released was its innovative heating, ventilation, and air conditioning (HVAC) system. Controlled through the 15-inch screen, it sends a highly configurable flow of air through a thin strip that runs the length of the dash. Now, it seems the basic elements that made the system special will also be used in future models from the electric automaker.

The giveaway comes from an international patent application — WO2018106351 — which, among a number of illustrations, shows us its integration in the dash of an unnamed model. As noted by Teslarati, from whence we sourced this story, it seems the vehicle in question could be a future version of the Model S or Model X. We note that, while it did occur to us that it could also be the Model Y, we expect that vehicle to have a dash area similar to the one in the Model 3, whereas this illustration shows an instrument gauge behind the steering wheel, as well as between the seat cup holders similar to those found in today’s Model S.

This is significant because at six years of age, the Model S is becoming ripe for a complete do-over, and this part of the Tesla product roadmap remains blanketed in silent darkness. We know, roughly, the plan for the Model Y crossover, the next-generation Roadster, and the Tesla Semi. We even know that a pickup truck is in the works.

With competition from established automakers finally starting to creep up on the EV pioneer, Tesla needs to unleash the innovation it’s acquired over the past half-dozen years onto its flagship products, the Model S and Model X. Not only could this help preserve the market share which its taken so far, but it could also result in improved profit margins, as it would be better engineered for manufacturability and take advantage of the new cheaper energy-dense cells and the advances its made in packaging them.

But back briefly to this patent. It seems in this iteration, the outflow is broken up between two main strips in front of the passengers. Also, the mechanisms inside of the structure seem a little more complex than the one found in the Model 3. If you’re a sucker for technical details be sure to check out the 52-page document which explains the system in more detail. For the rest of us, though, the abstract below is probably plenty to satisfy our curiosity.

An air vent assembly includes a cover member having an inlet for allowing a flow of air to enter the cover member. The cover member also has a vent extending from the inlet for allowing a flow of air to exit the cover member. The vent includes a first vent portion, and a second vent portion located adjacent to the first vent portion. The first vent portion has a first set of flow guiding vanes disposed therein. The second vent portion has a second set of flow guiding vanes disposed therein. Each of the vanes is spaced apart from one another and pivotally coupled to a pair of opposing walls of the cover member. The first and second sets of flow guiding vanes are independently moveable with respect to each other using an actuating mechanism for providing a variety of flow-guiding positions one of which includes a split flow-guiding position.

 

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15 Comments on "Tesla Patent Suggest Model S, X Will Get Model 3-Like HVAC Setup"

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CDAVIS
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The above patent would allow a simple update path to the existing Model S/X vent layout… basically substitute the existing traditional vents with this new updated vent without needing to rearrange the dash.

The Model 3 implementation of a thin strip vent that runs the entire length of the dash is what is more visually and functionally elegant than the above patent implementation… but that would require a rework of the entire Model S/X dash layout.

R.S
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R.S

Patent drawings don’t need to have anything to do visually with the intended product, at least the non functional parts. They are only there to explain how the patent should work. They could have drawn a Ford pickup and it would still work.

I am pretty sure they didn’t want to draw a Model 3, to not give away how it will look at the end. Especially since patents are open and can be looked at by anyone.

CDAVIS
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CDAVIS

R.S said: “Patent drawings don’t need to have anything to do visually with the intended product…”
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Agreed but the above patent vent design allow an easier replacement of any existing traditional vent layout wherever the vent(s) are locat or whatever vent(s) size. The patent that covers the Model 3 HVAC requires a more spacifionon-traditional vent integration layout wise because the dash itself is a more integral part of the vent.

R.S
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R.S

True, but the patent is just for a system like in the Model 3. It doesn’t even have to look like the one in the model 3. It’s just the basic working principle: Basically two vents with flow guiding vanes that can be moved independently by actuators. All of that has to be controlled by an infotainment system.

Most of the drawings actually show the mechanism. Only the first picture shows where the vents could be in a car and that there can be multiple vents. They are not limiting themselves to only using one vent, nor multiple vents.

So I wouldn’t read too much into the patent drawing. If the drawing would give any hints to something else to come, it wouldn’t be in the patent. Companies know that other companies read their patents, so they will give as little information as needed, to get as much as possible coverage.

Putting in the future design of a car would be stupid, that’s why they use drawings and don’t show a Model 3 interior picture.

Dave
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Dave

Thats interesting, I hear a lot of people complain on the Model 3, that going in the screen to re-direct flow is inconvenient, and the car has many of dead spots in the system the you cannot get flow.

CDAVIS
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CDAVIS

@Dave said: “
Thats interesting, I hear a lot of people complain on the Model 3…”
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That’s odd…

Recent reviews I’ve seen on the Model 3 HVAC have been on balance positive and on my Model 3 having opportunity to experience the HVAC first hand I very much prefer it to a traditional HVAC.

Mark.ca
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Mark.ca

Dave always hears something. Little birds talk to him all the time.

Dave
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Dave

Consumer Reports and Edmunds both said the Model 3 HVAC is inconvenient…

Robb Stark
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Robb Stark

They disliked the controls through the touch screen. Because they are old.

Not the HVAC system itself.

jm
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jm

I dislike it because it is a glaring violation of the KISS principle. And because I’m middle aged and have never been impressed with the “new for the sake of being different” marketing philosophy. And because when the car is 20 years old and I want to adjust the air vent, I want to be able to use my carbon-based actuator (otherwise known as a “hand,” patent pending) rather than wonder who the F thought it would be necessary to use a electronic actuator which is now inop. Especially since this fine electronic actuator is now either on back order or unavailable and will require ripping apart the dashboard to replace.

And which option do we think is cheaper and simpler to produce? Air vents made of plastic which were perfected about the time Eisenhower was in office or this fancy arrangement?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

“I hear a lot of people complain on the Model 3…”

No you don’t, Mr. Troll. You just look for anti-Tesla FUD posts on other forums so that you can copy and paste them here.

Perhaps if you were not losing as much money on short-selling TSLA as you are, then you wouldn’t have this compulsion to whine about Tesla on a daily basis.

But it’s fun to imagine how much money you’re losing. Ah, schadenfreude… 🙂

windbourne
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windbourne

well, I have to say that I hear a lot of people complain on the Model 3, that the cars and the trolls are inhabited by demons. Those demons regularly get excised from the model 3, but they remain in the trolls. Those trolls then run around sites making up things, like claiming that a lot of ppl are complain about the Model 3.

Just saying.

R.S
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R.S

Only thing I have heard, is that it’s apparently a pretty loud HVAC system, especially on auto.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Contrary to Elon Musk stating repeatedly and emphatically that the Model S is a more advanced car than the Model 3, I think it’s very clear that Tesla put many innovations into the TM3, and several of them will eventually migrate over to the MS and MX.

I thought that was entirely predictable. The Model 3 was put into production 5 years later than the MS, so of course some systems and parts in the newer car were going to be more advanced in certain ways. The only way to avoid that would have been to deliberately chosen systems and parts which were not as efficient or not as cost-effective as possible!

It is of course understandable that Elon doesn’t want people to perceive the lower-cost Model 3 as more advanced than the Model S, but in several ways it is. But there’s no question that the MS is more luxurious and more roomy.

Dav8or
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Dav8or

The question I have is, does this new HVAC design really work that well? When the cabin is really hot, I personally like directed cold blasts of air directly on me. Can this system do that, or is it more like your home HVAC where you have to be patient and wait for some satisfaction?

Was this system created to actually improve the way automotive HVAC works, or was it just to make the car more friendly to robotic assembly, or was it just to enable the IKEA living room look? Does anybody have insight as to why they went to this direction?