Tesla Model 3 Tweet Storm By Musk Reveals Tons Of New Details

2 years ago by Eric Loveday 137

Tesla Model 3

Tesla Model 3

Over the weekend, Tesla CEO Elon Musk was extremely active on Twitter.

Much of this activity involved answering questions related to the Tesla Model 3 (like this AWD, RWD Tweet by Musk).

Musk revealed so many Model 3 details that we figured we’d round them up for you in the easy-to-view format seen below, and by we…we mean via Mazen Kara on Facebook:

Elon Musk Tweets About Model 3 (via Facebook/Mazen Kara)

Elon Musk Tweets About Model 3 (via Facebook/Mazen Kara)

Musk ended his impromptu AMA on Twitter last night with a reference to cowbells….

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137 responses to "Tesla Model 3 Tweet Storm By Musk Reveals Tons Of New Details"

  1. Big Solar says:

    Nice!

  2. V2 says:

    Just happy that I can use the excuse to move myself up in the queue by getting a fully optioned car 🙂

    1. Walt says:

      This seems to be an assumption. Nowhere is this officially stated.

      1. Matthew Nelson says:

        Not necessarily full optioned. But previous S and X were delivered based on model type. For example P model, then D model, then base model. So if you order a P model with no other options, you will get it before someone ordering a D model with every option. Model 3 will be the same.

        The other complications are region, and owner/non-owner. Some are saying a P model order in FL will get precedence over a D model in CA.

        We’ll get confirmation as we get closer to the production version.

  3. QC says:

    He will break 500k by this summer. Look at the google trends for Tesla queries.

    https://www.google.fi/trends/explore#q=tesla%20model%203%2C%20tesla&cmpt=q&tz=Etc%2FGMT-3

    1. evcarnut says:

      Maybe break 500 by months ends , people are raving about this car! Giving people something to get excited about!

      1. ffbj says:

        Well they already hit 300k in less than a week, a couple hundred thousand seems inevitable, and it won’t take till Summer, which is 3 months away. So is when is the part 2 reveal?

    2. Eduardo Pelegri-LLopart says:

      Check the regions. HK is #1, maybe due to Chinese viewers going through HK proxies. Very interesting.

      1. Martin Andreas Kruse says:

        Hong Kong has the greatest concentration of Tesla owners in the world.

  4. John says:

    I’ll take mine in flat black!

    1. Josh says:

      Same here.

      From watching the ride along videos, the flat grey/black menacing looking car was the PXXD, based on the acceleration reactions.

      Tesla can ship that one to me right now, prototype hardware and all.

    2. Rebel44 says:

      Yep – flat grey/black looks great

    3. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

      I don’t understand the attraction of flat black at all (and I am a fellow black car enthusiast — all of my cars have been black). Shiny cars get attention. Flat colors say to me take a nap…..

      1. Phr3d says:

        ‘Flat’ is a bit of a misnomer, based upon history. When released as a special color by BMW, my terrible memory says they chose ‘ice’ and it has to be seen in person to be fully appreciated – deep and spectral but doesn’t show well in photographs.
        i.e., until you’ve seen it you cannot imagine the difference to ‘Flat’ finishes of the past.

      2. martinwinlow says:

        I couldn’t agree more – why would you want to own a car that always looks like it needs a wash?! MW

  5. evcarnut says:

    Dual Motor & more cowbell (RANGE), That’s the ticket , Yea !…The trunk is fine ,With the fold flat rear seat,there is still mega room!

    1. John says:

      I really wonder what the battery options will be. If 215+ miles is standard…will they crack the 300 mile barrier?

      1. Walt says:

        I’d say it’s safe to assume it will have a good margin above any competitors base EV.

    2. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

      Fly in the ointment:

      Aren’t dual motors and range at odds?

      The car is heavier…..

      1. Will says:

        the two motors work in tandem so therefore it’s actually more efficient. you’re not just pushingthe car from the rear, you’re pulling it AND pushing it.

      2. Mike I says:

        Look at the Model S. Dual motor 70D has more range than 70 which only drives the rear. Same with the larger battery. The reason is that the dual motor has higher gearing on the front. Lower gearing on the rear provides more torque where the traction is for acceleration, while higher gearing on the front for highway cruising give better efficiency. The E-power to each motor is individually and dynamically controlled.

      3. Nix says:

        It is easier to keep 2 small motors in their efficiency range than 1 big motor. Especially if the two motors are geared differently.

        For example, when running on the highway at moderate speeds, only one motor may be needed to keep the vehicle at cruise speed.

  6. Joe says:

    As usual with Tesla …. the future

  7. georges says:

    “Only way to get enough rear seat headroom was to move the rear roof support beam”

    OK no hatch. I get that. but what about the solid roof option. Putting in a solid roof would reduce headroom.

    Did Tesla say there would be a solid roof option?

    1. Josh says:

      In one ride along they said solid roof option, solid glass, or sunroof options. But I am guessing that is only the middle panel. Front and rear windows obviously need to remain.

      1. georges says:

        Hmmm OK. just a solid middle panel in the base car would make sense from a manufacturing cost standpoint….or would it?

        Still an open question but I think that those people thinking an “all panoramic glass” roof will be included in the base car are dreaming.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Josh said:

        “…solid roof option… But I am guessing that is only the middle panel. Front and rear windows obviously need to remain.”

        Yes, I think that’s correct. And with that huge rear window, it looks to me like most of the roof will still be glass.

      3. TomArt says:

        That’s my assumption, as well, based on driver quotes.

    2. Sublime says:

      Cooling an EV doesn’t hurt range too badly, but heating in winter is painful. A big sunroof gives you a greenhouse effect while you are parked (if it’s not covered in snow).

      1. Liz in Texas says:

        “Cooling an EV doesn’t hurt range too badly,”

        Depends where you live. Below freezing temps do take a big bite out of range. But when it’s 100F outside, and the interior of your car is 160F, there is an effect.

        1. pjwood1 says:

          My Volt went into battery-cool mode once, at 95F, but otherwise so true, that heating is a much bigger culprit when we need to go far in the cold weather.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Well you’ve got a good point there. I hate cars which get extremely hot when sitting under a summer sun — that’s why I don’t like the glass roof, and black tinted glass is probably even worse — but I have to admit that the range hit in a BEV from winter heating is appreciably more than the range hit from running the A/C in the summer.

      3. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

        The correct answer is:

        Cover your M3 while parked.

        The M3 “uncovered police” will be watching. You have been warned.

      4. alohart says:

        Glass is a poor thermal insulator, so the inside surface of a glass roof would be hot in the summer and cold in the winter. Condensation from one’s breath would form frost on the inside surface of the roof until the heater warms the interior at which point the frost would melt dripping water on the occupants. I had a car with a fiberglass roof that did this and it wasn’t pleasant.

        A glass roof would also increase the heating and cooling load compared with an insulated metal roof. If you’ve ever sat close to a single-pane window in cold weather, you know how that cold window sucks the heat out of your body. Same but opposite effect when sitting near a hot window.

        I don’t understand how a glass roof would be a good idea in hot or cold weather.

  8. Mike says:

    I would love to be a fly on the wall at BMW, Audi, Toyota…. It seems like Tesla is completely under-cutting their product plans with a combination of range, features, size… Never mind that no other car maker has the access to large-scale battery manufacturing.

    The best part though is that Tesla is maki g the electric car cool. Nothing wil end the domination of the ICE as quickly as creating a perception that you are buying a turd if it doesn’t have a plug.

    1. Josh says:

      Here is the “Secret Master Plan” for reference. Tesla company mission has been to prove that an electric car can be the best car.

      https://www.teslamotors.com/node/2528?no_cache=1459776586

    2. Beta995 says:

      At this point, it seems to under cut their pricing too.

    3. Walt says:

      Why just these three? have you noticed GM, Ford, Chrysler stock since Friday? Down ~5% each! I’d love to be a fly in Marry Barra’s office.

      1. Speculawyer says:

        And GM actually has a 200+ mile range EV in the $30Ks price range. It is just kinda boring looking, slower DC charging, and completely lacks a long-distance driving charging infrastructure.

        Not enough cowbell.

        1. Anon says:

          But it does have a large cargo hatch…

          1. alohart says:

            Actually, that’s important to us. We need to be able to carry largish cargo at times, so we prefer a CUV design. However, to get good highway range, a car needs a good Cd which CUV’s don’t have. We don’t drive much at highway speeds, so the ability to carry largish cargo easily trumps the Model 3’s good Cd. I’ll be waiting for Tesla’s CUV, but it needs to be lighter and more energy efficient than Tesla’s current offerings which I don’t believe are prime design goals for Tesla.

    4. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Mike said:

      “…no other car maker has the access to large-scale battery manufacturing.”

      Well, BYD does. They’re not competing in any market outside China, but that will likely change within a few years.

      1. Ambulator says:

        I don’t think BYDs batteries have the energy density to compete in the small EV segment. It works well for hybrids and buses, though.

        BYD might switch chemistries sometime, but they don’t seem to be in any hurry.

  9. georges says:

    “HUD unveiling. ”

    OK that answers the whining about the dash.

    1. Kdawg says:

      Yes, I’m happy reading this list. It settles a lot of issues I was having. I think I will still go with AWD, despite Elon’s comment about traction with RWD. I just have not had good luck with RWD in Michigan. I’m glad to read that AWD will not be ridiculously priced.

      1. Speculawyer says:

        I still think that Musk referenced your meme with his tweet:

        What else could be saying other than a stab at absurdist humor?

        1. Kdawg says:

          It would be interesting to know if he ever looks at this website. Maybe between tweets.

          1. Anon says:

            I thought the cowbell stuff happened in a conversation on Twitter.

            You’re not the only one who has a fever… 😉

          2. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

            He looks at the Tesla Owners web site.

            Its the closest thing to the “Elon Musk is a god” site there is.

    2. K-lein says:

      When I saw the current dash with only the one center big screen, I expected Tesla to announce at the same time a new super high quality HUD system to replace the traditional instrument cluster… but they didn’t.

      In the videos of the unveiling trials, we can see the Tesla reps in the cars telling people they designed the dash with only the unique center screen in mind (no talks about HUDs).

      Elon’s hesitant tweet reveals it’s clearly an afterthought based of people’s reactions.
      They listened, it’s a good thing, but still… I wonder how in the world they could have missed it in the first place.

      1. pjwood1 says:

        Ask yourself what happens to Model S sales, throughout 2017, if they sexify’ the inside of Model 3?

        Musk’s handlers probably got him to roll out Thursday’s car, as a matter of MS sales loss-preservation. Has a tweet ruined that?

        I hope they don’t ruin the front end, to get “.21”.

        1. alohart says:

          Is there any car with a Cd of 0.21 or lower that has wide tires and exposed wheels like the Model 3?

    3. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Yes, okay, so Tesla really does plan to go forward with that center mounted screen and the apparent lack of a real dashboard.

      Well, that’s going to lose them some customers. Not that Tesla will care much about that for at least 2-3 years, as they can’t possibly ramp up to meet demand that fast.

      But really, seems to me there are better choices that wouldn’t cost much. How much would it cost to put that screen on a track that would let you slide it to left, right, or center… as you please?

      1. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

        Just because it does not LOOK like other cars? Grow up….

        1. TomArt says:

          No, more like a comfort/safety thing. Most people, including me, have no experience with a car that has all of the instrumentation in a center stack. It is off-putting.

  10. Mike says:

    “most likely demo some sort of HUD” does not give me warm fuzzies. Schedule is more important than ANYTHING for them right now. If the intent was to do the single screen, that’s what they should run with. Version 2.0 can have an HUD.

    1. georges says:

      How much does HUD add to manufacturing cost?

      1. Sublime says:

        It’s an adjustable mirror and an LCD display buried in the dash. I had one in a Pontiac Grand Prix, which is not exactly a Rolls Royce price point 🙂

        BTW its the feature I miss most in all the cars I’ve had since.

    2. sveno says:

      Techically speaking, a HUD no more complex than the current S/X dash. There is some tweaking to get the projection straight and they might do some polarization of the windshield but thats about it.

  11. mustang_sallad says:

    No hatch is a deal breaker for me. Really too bad after such an amazingly useful hatch with the Model S. Fortunately, there are many options to choose from in the plug-in market these days! Tesla’s getting all the attention, but hopefully this will also help open people’s eyes to the number of plug-in options there are from a number of different automakers.

    1. mustang_sallad says:

      Now that I think of it, this might be where Model Y fits in.

      1. Kdawg says:

        I really love my Volt’s hatch and was hoping the Model 3 would have one. Sad that it doesn’t, but if the seats do fold flat as Elon says, and the trunk has a huge pass-through, I think I will be OK. He did say you could fit a 7′ long surfboard I believe.

        1. georges says:

          surfboard mystery solved. I trunk pass thru!!!
          Novel concept 🙂

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        mustang_sallad said:

        “Now that I think of it, this might be where Model Y fits in.”

        Sure, the CUV version of the Model ≡ will almost certainly have a hatchback. But then you’ll have to wait probably another three years or more (after the Model ≡ actually enters production) for that, or perhaps even more because it looks very much like Tesla won’t be able to ramp up to meet Model ≡ demand for at least three years, and quite possibly longer.

    2. Joe says:

      Agreed on the hatch. Very much!
      With regard to the European market, actually make that hatch an estate.

      If we look at the competitors of the Model 3 (Audi A3/A4, BMW 3series, Merc C), then most of these sell as Estates in Europe, not as sedans.
      And that’s exactly the way I’d like it, too. No estate (or at least a decent, at best almost vertical hatch) – no deal.

      Also: I want to be able to put my skis on top, e.g. in a roof box. Seems not to be possible with this roof design. No idea why they can’t manage to put a “normal” roof on. The similarly shaped BMW 3 Series GT manages that just fine… Plus, I think glass is heavier than aluminium sheets, so could increase range. The ski porter “solution” for the Model X is just none for me!

      Overall, IMHO Tesla need to be careful not to continue sacrificing utility (Model X: lack of roof use, middle seats no folding flat; Model 3: probably no roof use, no hatch, no dash; Model S: AFAIK seats don’t fold flat, …).
      I am really enthusiastic about EVs and Tesla in particular, but right now I’m holding my horses and cross fingers that the Model Y will be a Model 3-based estate with a usable roof. Really, utility is all I need from a car and there Tesla leaves room for improvement. All else is great.

      1. Speculawyer says:

        Your can still do a rack. I learned this windsurfing in Hawaii when my rental car had gutterless “aircraft doors”.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Joe said:

        “I want to be able to put my skis on top, e.g. in a roof box. Seems not to be possible with this roof design.”

        Elon has pointed out you can use a roof rack mounted with suction cups, altho I question how secure that is.

        “I think glass is heavier than aluminium sheets…”

        The Model ≡ has a steel body, not aluminum.

        “Model S: AFAIK seats don’t fold flat…”

        All seats in the Model S fold flat except the front seats. The Model S actually gives you more cargo area, front to back, than the Model X, altho the overhead space in the X is higher.

        http://www.teslarati.com/fitting-bike-tesla-model-s/

        1. Speculawyer says:

          The suction cups are just soft interface to prevent scratches. The actual clinging force comes from hooks on straps that go into the door well. They are quite common.

          Here are a couple:

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            Okay, that looks secure.

            Thanks, Speculawyer!

    3. wavelet says:

      Ditto on the hatch being a dealbreaker for me. It means it’s really difficult to use the large volume under the glass.
      I don’t buy the reasons Musk is stating — I think a hatch should have been one of the basic design goals, no less than the range, and that the glass should have been split into 2 to allow both a sedan and a liftback using the same profile, like the Škoda Suberb or Mazda 6.

      A CUV is _not_ the same thing, and most of them are pretty bad on using internal volume efficiently, not to mention very high so really bad on Cd .

      I am puzzled by Musk saying the hatch width isn’t final, because it seems to imply the basic external design isn’t finalized.

      1. Priusmaniac says:

        I wonder if a special technical solution would be possible in the form of a direct glass to glass hinge that would allow booth solar roof and hatch. After all we live in the gorilla glass time, so there should be new possible glass glass hinges as well.

    4. Priusmaniac says:

      If you are used to it, of course it is not easy to adapt, but there are advantages to a non hatch as well.
      Here are a few:
      – no wind in the cabin when opening it.
      – less noise from the back in the cabin.
      – no smell, vapor or dust passing from the trunk to the cabin.
      – content always out of public view increase theft protection.
      – no more problems will hatch rolls or covers.
      – fixed hard top behind the seats is available again for optional speakers.

  12. Fred Borloo says:

    0.21 Cd!!!!!!!!!!

    For anyone who understands anything about car ot other engineering :

    This is the SINGLE most amazing thing about the model III …. PERIOD!

    Stunned!

    1. Speculawyer says:

      The EV1 did better but it was 2 person weirdmobile.

      The fact that they spend so much effort on the Cd is one of the reasons that only Tesla does EVs really well.

      1. Doug B says:

        And is also why they build cars that cannot take a roof rack. It would destroy range, so instead their plan is to build cars that fit the utility (internally) that you need.

        1. Speculawyer says:

          Oh, they can certainly take roof racks. Tesla even sells one for the Model S:

          http://shop.teslamotors.com/collections/model-s/products/model-s-whispbar-roof-rack-system

          Roof racks will reduce range though.

  13. Fred Borloo says:

    AND a HUD!!!

    Tesla… YOU RULE!!!

    I bow to thee oh great one!

  14. Ziv says:

    If they come close to the hype this will be a great car at a phenomenal price. And the more time goes by the more I think they will deliver the car and the price, if not soon.
    0.21 coefficient of drag is pretty amazing for a fairly traditional sedan body-type.

    1. Kdawg says:

      I’m wondering if that has to do w/the dynamic air suspension. If they can lower the car at highway speeds, then raise it for surface streets, that will really help the aero.

  15. Paul says:

    If there is no hatch then how do you fit a surfboard like Elon mention would fit? Through a window?

    1. John says:

      Fold the rear seats down and right up the middle.

    2. georges says:

      @Paul

      A trunk pass thru.!!

    3. philip d says:

      If you look closely at the test drive videos you can see that the back trunk/gate? will lift without the glass.

      You can see the seam break for the trunk/gate about 1/3 the way up the c pillar. When open it would be similar to a trunk opening when the glass stays put but inside it doesn’t look like there is a horizontal fixed shelf that engages the back of the seats and separates what would be the trunk space from the passenger cabin.

      In this case it seems like it is just open inside like a hatch where you could reach over the back seats and access the trunk/hatch area. And all the seats fold flat so there isn’t really a pass through since the entire interior volume is open anyway.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        It’s a big pass through. 😉

        But then, it would have to be a pretty big pass through to accommodate a surfboard.

        1. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

          Fold down back seats, arf arf.

  16. Breezy says:

    Okay, well that’s one miss already. 0.21 is not less than 0.20. 🙂

    Still an impressive number if they hit it, and it’s really range and efficiency that matters, not just Cd.

  17. Mister G says:

    What’s the latest reservation tally?

    1. Jay Cole says:

      279,000 through Saturday night (details)

      No more updates until Wednesday/1 week mark. Then it will likely only be at month end, then quarter end at financials.

      1. georges says:

        How long can you go without sleep. Is it worth it.

        🙂

        Hey Jay. The site wont remember my name and email. ….have to type it in every time.

        Que Pasa?

        1. Speculawyer says:

          YES! I have this problem too! Please fix it if possible since it is very annoying. I use Chrome.

          1. Jay Cole says:

            George,

            Hrm..how long can I go without sleep? Is it worth it?

            Hmm, I enjoy being in this business, being involved and writing (but not the ‘business’ of the site itself that goes unseen)…so, maybe? lol

            I will say on the sleep thing, I have a natural aversion/difficulty with sleep, so that plays well with being in this business, enjoying it, and serving as editor-in-chief (I generally can’t go more then 4-5 hours in a row of sleep)

            I do a lot of sleeping when the “day shift” or “euro shift” is working….which is why you often see breaking pieces (such as this one as it happen) dropping say at 3:00 AM on Saturday night…and not “first thing Monday morning” as a catch-up piece.

            As a result the site is online/has a live body working at doing something or other from 7am to at least 2 am (eastern), everyday of the week, everyday of the year (we even drop a half-dozen “live, written that day” articles on Christmas day)

            As for the name/email forgetting for comments, that is temporary.

            We have been under huge server loads recently, and that comment ID forgetting thing is part of a caching system we have put in place to help with the strain.

            There is a full apocalypse-ready dedicated quad server system coming online hopefully at some point this week. When that is online, it will return to normal. Apologies on the inconvenience.

            1. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

              Did you get a ride in the M3?

          2. georges says:

            I’m using firefox. Glad to hear i’m not the only one.

            1. Rick Danger says:

              I’m also on Firefox and I’ve had the same problem for the last few days.
              Thanks for saying something about it!

  18. Foob says:

    You missed one:
    https://twitter.com/GoesAzedo/status/716786397596745728
    Vegan interior option confirmed.

    1. Kdawg says:

      Can I get a meat-lovers interior? I want it to smell like Italian sausage & pepperoni. 🙂

      1. philip d says:

        Hopefully they will install a middle console unlike the Model S so I have somewhere to put my meatball sub.

        1. acevolt says:

          All Model S’s now include a center console like Model X. They started showing up at delivery centers last week.

          1. philip d says:

            So I guess I’ll now have to get a Model S so I’ll have somewhere to put my meatball sub.

      2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Kdawg said:

        “Can I get a meat-lovers interior?”

        Threatened-species fur covered seats? 😉

        Endangered-species fur not available from Tesla; only available as a black-market aftermarket product. 8-0

        1. Anon says:

          Pretty sure you can get dog-skin seat covers in China…

          1. jelloslug says:

            How about solid ivory control surfaces?

            1. Speculawyer says:

              This is not a Trump car.

          2. Nick says:

            Are they endangered?

      3. ffbj says:

        Just get a case slim jims, rip ’em open with your teeth and go to town.

        1. scott franco (No M3 FAUX GRILL!) says:

          People who buy a case of slim jims, don’t go to town. They go to the dump and shoot rats, drink coors and are generally named bubba.

          And vote trump (sorry, just had to).

        2. Rick Danger says:

          Ohhhhhhhh yeeeeaaaaaahhhh!

      4. TomArt says:

        mmmm – bacon…

  19. Grady says:

    I suspect getting under 0.20 cd will come when they are permitted to delete the side view mirrors.

  20. Rick says:

    How do we know it’ll be a HUD for sure ? Did someone just assume it’ll be that to compensate for the lack of instruments?
    HUD makes total sense IMO but I’d like to know if Tesla or Elon mentioned it or is it just a guess?

    Also don’t you legally need to include things like blinker indicators, light status etc. ?

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Rick asked:

      “How do we know it’ll be a HUD for sure ? …I’d like to know if Tesla or Elon mentioned it or is it just a guess?”

      You might try reading Elon’s tweets in the article which you are responding to. Or, as they say on Slashdot: RTFA.

      1. Rick says:

        You might try being less rude. I read them beforehand but I’m stil doubtful. “Some sort of HUD” seems written by journalists. His tweet was more like the landscape screen will make sense in part two of the unveil.

  21. Driverguy01 says:

    Taken from Musk’s tweets…

    @elonmusk The lack of a dashboard/HUD is something that I don’t think I could get used to. That’s the only thing I don’t like about the car.

    @BValvsRacing It will make sense after part 2 of the Model 3 unveil

    1. TomArt says:

      Yeah, it is not clear what it is going to be.

  22. SparkEV says:

    Did Tesla read my blog posts or am I just in sync with their thinking? I advocated for better aero rather than brute force, and Model 3 has 0.21. I often compare $30K EV to $30K Subaru WRX (AWD, low 6 sec 5-60), and there it is. I advocated for tow hitch for light towing, and THERE IT IS!

    With such great aerodynamics, even less than 50 kWh could result in 200 miles range at freeway speeds. Here’s hoping for smaller battery option (lower weight) that could result in quicker acceleration and quicker supercharging without carrying around all the extra weight for most driving/commute.

    1. Kdawg says:

      I thought Tesla was always targeting 0.20 Cd?

      1. SparkEV says:

        Point was more for towing (all caps). Not many were talking about it, but I always make it a point.

      2. SparkEV says:

        Oh, and also that better aero would result in smaller battery. Often, forum posters want bigger battery regarless of range while I go the opposite of small and just enough range: 2 hours in freeway + heat/ac + degradation. Cd=0.21 would probably meet that nicely even with much less than 60 kWh. I’m hoping for 40 kWh, though probably won’t happen.

        Then there are other benefits of smaller battery, such as low cost to replace when it’s dead, allowing more used Model 3 to be on the road 20 years down the line for even the poor people to drive kick-ass EV.

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          SparkEV said:

          “Oh, and also that better aero would result in smaller battery.”

          Not to disparage your undoubtedly excellent blog, Sparky, but it’s not exactly a new idea at Tesla Motors that aiming for the best possible aerodynamics is the right way to design a compelling EV. You may recall that Tesla was praised for the superior aerodynamics of the Model S.

          1. SparkEV says:

            I think Tesla “gets it”, but many in discussion often talk about bigger and bigger battery rather than efficiency. I think I’m one of the few who often talk about smaller battery for useful range and using efficiency as the way to achieve that range.

            As for my blog, that was “tongue in cheek” comment. They wouldn’t read some obsecure blog about low availbility car, I’d be insane to think so. But then, they make “insanely great” cars, so… 😉

        2. leafowner says:

          Sparky – they have tried the smaller battery with the Model S — but not too many people buy them so they discontinue them….My bet is they have a 60kw and maybe an 80 kw option (i’d be glad if both of those go up though).

          1. SparkEV says:

            Tesla S60 gets 208 miles range using Cd=0.24. With Model 3 Cd=0.21, 60 kWh would get far more than 215 miles. They haven’t released the battery capacity, so my “hunch” is that it’s less than 60, probably 50.

            People seem to like bigger number for battery, so announcing smaller battery may not be good “marketing” for now. That is, IF it’s smaller, which the parameters seem to indicatet that it will be.

            1. pjwood1 says:

              Frontal area is needed to know net aerodynamic effects. It isn’t solely a function of drag coefficient. Right?

              1. SparkEV says:

                Frontal area should be smaller as Model 3 is supposed to be “80% of S”. That would make aero situation even more favorable.

            2. Priusmaniac says:

              The excellent Cd will be especially interesting to increase freeway autonomy in Europe where the speed is 75 to 80 MPH or even higher on the autobahn. A good Cd is way more important at 80 or 100 MPH than at 60 or 70 MPH. It may be that on the autobahn the higher battery Model 3 goes much further than the Model S at 100 MPH. Can’t wait to go to the Zugspitze again to test it out for real.

  23. Orygun EV driver says:

    The biq question is when does Tesla partner (or buy or sell out ot) someone who can actually manufacture cars in significant volume?
    They’ve yet to be able to produce reliable vehicles in a low volume, high margin environment, so the leap to 4-10x their current production is no small feat. Plus they’ve got to introduce build quality and reliability at the same time or it’s a sure path to bankruptcy.

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      While I do hope that Tesla manages to improve its quality control, the amazingly rapid rate at which Tesla is piling up reservations for the Model ≡ rather strongly indicates that a large number of people firmly disagree with your assessment.

      The first car I bought was an early Honda Civic. I had multiple problems with the electrical system. Eventually an auto mechanic told me that electrical system problems were common in that model year. But I doubt many today would say that Honda has a poor reputation for reliability.

      Honda didn’t need to partner with, nor sell out to, a more experienced auto manufacturer to improve the reliability of their cars. They gained reliability with experience, and it seems reasonable to believe Tesla will too. Let’s keep in mind that Tesla has only been mass producing its own cars for four years.

  24. kubel says:

    I’m disappointed about the lack of a liftback. Sedans suck. I would gladly give up the glass roof if they gave me a liftback. Plus, replacement windshields won’t cost $3000.

  25. Lou Grinzo says:

    I think Tesla should hold a charity auction. Winner gets to meet Musk, have dinner with him, and give him a big ol’ hug, just like many of the college football players did to the NFL commissioner at the last player draft.

    Right now, I suspect there would be no shortage of people (like me) who would bid on something like that.

  26. Leaf Owner says:

    I was with 5 teenage high school boys this weekend who are in a drone competition (practice session) we were having lunch and what are the boys talking about….girls (no) video games (no) ….you guessed it — they were discussing Tesla and the new Model 3 (and I was everyone’s hero as I reserved one at 7:30 pm eastern time on Thursday and no-one else’s dad did…). One kid even said the soon to be famous “why buy a gasoline car when you can get a Tesla”

    The older folks may not get it yet — but the young generation does….

  27. pjwood1 says:

    Note the “bike” and “7′ surf board” are thin items, that fit in through the trunk. Non-hatch confirmed.

    I feel like IEV’s warning (back when there were fewer readers last week), about “big boy” problems not wanting to kill Model S sales was sort of violated by this tweet. Musk listened to people’s HUD comments and said above, about “steering wheel…not final”. With those solved, how exactly is Tesla going to continue selling a base 90D for $88,000???

    1. Someone out there says:

      They will change it to a 110D

    2. Matthew Nelson says:

      Well, it depends on the price of the D and P versions of the 3. If the D with bigger battery is $50 and the P is $65, then the Model S P88 has no problems. BMW seems to be just fine selling $70k fully loaded 3 series and base model 7 Series.

    3. Speculawyer says:

      It is indeed a trunk. There is video showing it being opened. It looks big but the opening it not very big.

  28. Bonaire says:

    Bikes inside? They need a proper roof racking solution. The glass is a gimmick over functionality. If consumers are going to go for it, especially cyclists, they must accommodate a roof rack for bikes, boards, skis and river equipment.

    1. Speculawyer says:

      They do! See my images above. Your range will be reduced though.

  29. Jay Cole says:

    Refreshed this post, as Mazen Kara has graciously allowed us to update/use his excellent Facebook page tally of all the newly announced/revealed Model 3 features.

    /our thanks to Mazen!