Tesla Model 3 With CCS Combo Inlet, S & X With CCS Adaptor In Europe

NOV 14 2018 BY MARK KANE 123

Tesla switches the Model 3 to the Combined Charging System in Europe.

The introduction of the Tesla Model 3 in Europe will bring huge changes to Tesla’s charging policy, as the company is leaning towards implementing the CCS Combo fast charging standard.

First of all, the Tesla Model 3 will get a CCS Combo-compatible charging inlet.

The Model S and Model X (which don’t have that much space for bigger inlets) will get an adaptor for DC CCS chargers, just like in case of the CHAdeMO adaptor. It should be similarly priced (around €500), but smaller in size.

That will open the Tesla Model S, X and 3 to use any CCS Combo fast chargers, including the latest ultra-fast chargers, introduced by IONITY, for example.

CCS Combo charging plug (European version)

Another major move is to retrofit Supercharging stations in Europe with CCS Combo DC plugs (ahead of the Model 3 introduction). Tesla will add those to existing Supercharging DC plugs, based on the AC Type 2 plugs, which where used for both AC and DC charging scenarios in the Model S and Model X. Each charging post will be dual-connector.

We assume that this is just the first chapter, as in the long-term, Tesla simply could upgrade Model S and Model X for CCS Combo inlets, and then remove the Type 2-based plugs from Superchargers entirely.

The last major point is that introducing CCS Combo DC plugs at Superchargers brings Tesla closer to an open the network for other manufacturers of electric cars, which now could use the Tesla network (by participating in fronting some costs), without any changes on the car side.

The side effect of equipping the Model 3 with a CCS Combo inlet is that a physically bigger connector should enable Tesla to increase the power level of charging, especially since liquid-cooled cables/plugs have already been developed by at least few suppliers. On the other hand, the CHAdeMO infrastructure at least for now iis stuck for a while at 50-100 kW (despite the standard itself being upgraded to higher power).

AC charging (single- and three-phase) through a Type 2-compatible inlet will remain unaffected by the change.

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Tesla Model S (and Model X) charging inlet in Europe

Speaking exclusively to Auto Express, Tesla’s head of global charging infrastructure, Drew Bennett, said: “There’s a lot of excitement about Model 3 coming to Europe and charging is always part of that conversation.”

“We’ll be continuing to invest in our network – that’s a huge part of the ownership experience. But we’ll be enabling our owners to have access to the CCS networks that are starting to grow in Europe, so the Model 3 will have a charge port for the CCS standard and we’ll also have an adaptor for Model S and X.”

“All existing Tesla customers will be able to use the Supercharger network still, but these changes will allow people to venture outside the network – this is something that could really help our owners and is really exciting for us to be able to say that about the infrastructure in Europe..”

In Europe, Tesla has more than 430 stations with more than 3,600 Supercharging stalls.

With the introduction of Model 3 – because of the anticipated volume of sales and retrofit – Tesla will invest in the charging infrastructure more than ever.

“We’ll accelerate things for sure. We’re there to put infrastructure there before our owners need it; the Tesla Supercharger network and Tesla Destination network.”

Source: autoexpress.co.uk

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“then remove the Type 2-based plugs from Superchargers entirely.”

So all the European Model S and X owners that were promised free Supercharging for life will be forced to buy a CCS adaptor for ~450 Euro if they wish to continue using the Supercharger Network?

As long as they retain at least a few original Tesla-type charger plugs per SuperCharger site, it’s obviously not an issue; an existing S/X owner needs to buy the cable only if s/he wants to use non-Supercharger CCS sites.
As I wrote below, I do expect that the ultimate purpose is to get rid of the SC network, once it’s no longer needed (that is, once the CCS network is sufficiently large & dense).
However, I also expect the next X/S iteration (timed to coincide with the Model 3 deployment to Europe) to have the same CCS setup the Model 3 does.
Recall that the existing base of free-Supercharging S/X isn’t that large — Tesla ended that benefit two years ago (except for sales referrals, but free SuperCharging there doesn’t transfer to subsequent owners).
That base will become smaller in time, in both absolute numbers as some cars are taken off the road and %-wise, so Tesla won’t be put out that much giving the adapter for free to those owners.

Those S/X cars are still being sold today! :O They are not “old” Though sales will probably plumet at this prospect.

For sure, but that’s the point: I fully expect them to change the models & only CCS equipped S/X in Europe as soon as they actually start Model 3 deliveries there.

“All existing Tesla customers will be able to use the Supercharger network still,….”

That’s some bad phrasing, as it implies future Tesla customers might not be able to use the Supercharger network. I’m sure that’s not what he meant, of course.

This is a smart move for Tesla and very good for EVs in general.

Less charging standard is better, but this is yet another case of inferior overly complex standard winning out over superior. KISS doesn’t seem to apply when it comes to standards (or maybe it’s a case of Euro automakers buying politicians)

Tesla is not exactly into the KISS principle of engineering. Falcon Wing Doors, overly complex UI, overly complex door handles,…

You’re underestimating the technical value of a universal standard.

At the end of the day, Tesla ran into the same problem in the EU that Apple did. While the Lightning might have been technically “superior” to USB, EU regulators were tired of Apple fracturing the phone charger market at their whim, and is considering forcing Apple to switch to USB on their phones. Not having to deal with adapters and compatibility problems (as well as all the wasted incompatible products in landfills) is ultimately more valuable to consumers than technical quirks.

I haven’t heard anyone in Europe complaining about bad charging speeds at the European SC stations (which are already forced to use Type 2).

So this means Europe will be the most streamlined continent in terms of EV charging. 5 years from now there will be just CCS Combo and nothing else.
Maybe Tesla is going to adapt a Type1 CCS Combo for US some day?

China is more streamlined and even Tesla is mandated to use just national standard plug there.

Japan also uses single standard, including German automakers, but excluding Tesla.

EU will need some more years before existing Nissan BEVs will die from old age, and Nissan is not even planning to switch in EUrope yet.

US and third world is a bit hopeless in this aspect.

US is on a path to being 3rd world, so that’s very fitting.

Last time I heard, Tesla installed the national Chinese port *in addition* to their own Supercharger port in vehicles destined for that market.

Unlike the US, regulators in EU and China actually care about preventing consumers from dealing with fractured charging standards. Over here, we are letting the “free market” decide… which means your freedom to use different charging networks is dependent on whichever connector is most profitable for the automaker or the charging network operator.

Finally, thank you Tesla!

CCS on Model 3 will make it so much more durable in Europe.

Feels like the plug-wars in europe are over – history will be written by CharIN

Frankenplug won? Great….

#abomination

While adding the port/adapter obviously makes sense, I’m surprised about the decision to switch to combo plugs for Tesla’s own Superchargers. AIUI, using the two 8 mm pins shouldn’t actually enable any more power than the four 6 mm pins on the Type 2 connector? Unless Tesla actually intends to use both at the same time (unlike regular CCS), to enable more charging power without increasing the voltage…

Other than that, the only reason I could see would be indeed for interoperability with non-Tesla cars using the Superchargers. But since apparently nothing has really happened on that front, that seems a bit surprising… Unless it’s more due to regulatory pressure than by choice?

Either way, it’s a good thing I guess — although that combo plug in the render looks seriously ugly, and probably not very ergonomic…

There are CCS stations with 350 kW, today…

Not at 350 V.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

It’s because EU law says they have to use CCS.
They added a GB/T port in China because the law said they had to do it.
If US law said they had to have CCS, they’d add CCS.

They aren’t doing it because they want to do it.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Sorry, EU law says they have to have CCS at the chargers.
Since the EU models are Type 2 compatible anyway, it’s a smaller thing to make it CCS.

In North America, they’d have to have an additional port, or switch from their own connector to J1772.
But since they’re going to make a CCS adapter for existing S and X customers in Europe, they can probably make it available for North America.

Yes, as I said, adding a CCS port to their vehicles definitely makes sense. (Be it for legal or other reasons.) What puzzles me is adding CCS plugs to their Superchargers.

There is some controversy on this point, apparently Tesla does not have to use CCS in most of Europe since they have a “private” charging network. At least not yet…

Why wouldn’t they want to? Tesla can’t possibly be making any money off the price they charge for SC or Destination; adding seems like it saves them money…

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Tesla is moving away from all-you-can-eat to pay-as-you-go. It won’t take long for the all-you-can-eat vehicles to be a small proportion of their fleet.
They’ll set the Supercharger price to the lowest amount that allows the Supercharger network to pay for itself. They don’t need the Supercharger network to make money. They need it to sell cars, which will allow them to make money.

If the Euro-spec Model 3s have standard-compliant CCS Combo, wouldn’t it be the case that you _can’t_ use a current European Tesla Supercharger to DC-fast-charge them? IIUC, it uses the pins on the Mennekes part of the plug for DC, which CCS Combo doesn’t allow (the two extra pins below need to be used for that). If that’s the case (someone please correct me if necessary — I’ve no direct experience of this), in order not to add standard CCS Combo plugs to chargers, Tesla would have to have the inlet in each car figure out which type of DC charger it’s talking to (current Tesla or CCS) and behave differently — maybe that would be too complex technically, or violate the CCS standard, or just more expensive to provide for 100Ks and eventually millions of cars than retrofitting 3600 cables now. As for the interoperability question, indeed, that opens up the option of letting non-Teslas using the Superchargers. But I suspect the converse is more relevant: AFAIK, Tesla isn’t interested in operating the Supercharging network as a revenue/profit source — it is mostly an enabler to sell cars, and Tesla might be happy eventually to get rid of Superchargers.… Read more »

As for what Tesla could do with the existing SC network, once it’s no longer needed, that’s pretty simple… Sell it, possibly parting it out, to companies focusing on operations (-:

The large number of 50 kW CCS stations is no replacement for Superchargers… Only when there is an expansive network of high-powered CCS stations with good coverage and sufficient stalls, Tesla might start considering to phase out their own network.

I really don’t see why Tesla would want to install CCS plugs on their Supercharges *except* to allow other cars using them. I don’t expect any significant technical difficulty in making the port accept DC alternatively through the extra pins or through the Type 2 pins…

People forget that all the hype around the few new 350 kW CCS stations only applies to 800 V cars. At 350 V nominal (which is and may remain 99.9% of the market) CCS may struggle to match SuperCharger power levels and even then only with expensive and complex cables that are liquid cooled. Tesla, however, could use both the large and small pins on the CCS to SuperCharge at 250 kW at Tesla-only SuperChargers without complex cooled cables (although they would be Big and Heavy cables), and still using their superior control protocol. I don’t think this is likely, but maybe an expensive option? And it could be a further way to embarrass the legacy internal combustion engine car makers. We will see. In any case, innovation will continue unless the people who want to legislate standardization in an evolving technology win. People, this is not a football game.

For some years now, the standard (which I believe is the IEC 61851-x series) specifies a way to use either the small or the large pins for DC. I don’t know of an OEM besides Tesla who does this, and they have a proprietary control protocol anyway. By the way, CCS is a CharIn term and CharIn is mostly a marketing organization as far a I can tell, they are not a traditional Standards Development Organization like SAE, IEC or ISO. So CCS is not really a “standard” as much as a “brand” of sorts. The standards documents don’t even use the term CCS as far as I can tell. I searched all of them a few years ago when I had access at work.

Huh, Interesting, esp. as someone with previous experience in standards organizations in the computer networking and software fields.

It probably makes the Model 3 less expensive to manufacture, as they don’t need as many high power switches internally.

I was wondering about that… But does it really make enough of a difference to be meaningful?

Was wondering about the manufacturing cost aspect as well.

Guess Plan B would have been to expand the Supercharger network exponentially to cater for the tsunami of Model 3’s that’s about to invade Europe but with CCS compatibility the CCS network can take some of the brunt.

Bingo. Even in the US, Tesla building out the Supercharger network to support all of their cars is just a money pit as they sell more and more cars. Let the 3rd parties handle the infrastructure. I think this was an easy decision to do in Europe. It might take awhile longer in the US because of the patches of CCS charging.

If it were a money pit third parties wouldn’t invest in it. Tesla could charge enough to make it cost neutral and still offer better rates than third parties looking to make money but with comprehensive CCS coverage on the not too distant horizon the Supercharger network will lose its function as a unique selling point so the need to be involved may be diminishing.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

It’s not a money pit. Tesla’s gone PAYG for new cars. AYCE cars will decline in number and as a proportion of the fleet.

Sell 200,000 cars per year in the lower 48 states. Take $250 from the price of a car and in another 10 years you’d have coverage network covering the lower 48 of the USA with spacing 40 miles or less. They’re already part way done.
Add another $250 to the price of a car and use that to add capacity. Some of that capacity will also add coverage as you go.
PAYG to cover electricity pricing and O&M costs.
Everything linked to the customer’s existing account so no additional costs in customer account management.
No profit needed on the system because they make the money on the cars and other products.
No marketing costs.
No compatibility issues.
High degree of control over the customer experience.

Tesla could help by adding CCS to the US SC network and investments.

I don’t see enough CCS charging stations in the US to make it worthwhile. Maybe in California? Tesla’s here can already use Chademo chargers, but even those are not numerous enough to enable interstate travel by themselves in my area. Maybe Chademo helps with intercity travel in some parts of the US? Europe does have lots of medium power CCS stations apparently, it is basically German technology so it dominates there. Just like Chademo dominates in Asia.

Yeah, there is a map somewhere that shows that CHAdeMO does actually help filling in some gaps in the US, while CCS currently does nothing on that score…

but… but… but…
all the Tesla fans said only Tesla is right and you have to have your own supercharger network…
is Tesla now wrong or were the fans wrong??
I don’t think Tesla is wrong…

Yeah, right. That’s exactly what “all the Tesla fans” said. Every single one of them.

Not a matter of being right/wrong. I don’t think anyone disputes that having a charging network focused on long-distance trips helped Tesla sell more cars (by allowing Teslas to be used in more circumstances). It might be getting closer to the point that running your own network is a lot less of an advantage, in some regions.

I’m pretty sure Tesla will be expanding the Supercharger network in Europe just the same. Being able to use the CCS network is surely a nice bonus, but it’s still far from being an equally convenient alternative on its own.

Well this is good news! The number of fast chargers that TM3 owners in Europe can use more than doubles with this change!

Although I’m also a bit surprised that they’re retrofitting the Superchargers. I figured they’d leave them as Type 2, but the justification by the increased power for the V3 SC makes sense.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

There are rules in the EU that require CCS at new chargers.

……. and any new chargers installed (in Europe) need to be PAYG

It’s actually a lot more. There are 400 SC stations vs 5500 CCS locations in Europe. If you count plugs Tesla fairs not badly, but that does not provide coverage. Ionity and Fastned are just expanding along the motorways with ultra fast CCS stations. Hence the move from Tesla.

Most existing CCS stations bunched up in major urban areas do not provide coverage either…

Ultra Fast only applies to 800 V EVs, of which there are few. 350 V nominal EVs will charge at SuperCharger rates or slower even on these Ultra Fast CCS stations if I understand the situation. But yes it still improves access to charging.

350 V EVs should still be able to charge at some 150 kW AIUI, just as with 175 kW stations. So a tick faster than current Superchargers…

Yay! Thank you, you made the right decision Tesla.

Fastned is rolling out 175 kW CCS to its stations, so CCS @ Fastned is actually the better option, since Fastned stations are located next to motorway petrol stations. Tesla Superchargers are located a short distance from the motorway. You usually have some crossings/roundabouts/traffic lights before you reach them. This reduces the time lost for fast charging.

And so is Ionity with 350kW chargers https://ionity.evapi.de/#/charts

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

I prefer Tesla offer a retrofit or option of CCS charging hardware for the Model 3. Offer to place the CCS inlet somewhere in the front of the car.
The back is a crappy place for it.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

The best place for a charging port depends on where and how you park your car.
There is no one position to rule them all.

One on the front and one on the rear should cover all scenarios. Too bad no EV makers can be bothered with multiple charging ports.

Audi eTron has two, one on each side, by the front doors.

Two more (each side in the rear) and it would be perfection!

/s

I demand one on the roof as well, so pedestrians won’t trip on the cables. And a wireless port of course, underneath the car. And a rainbow unicorn (-:

It has never been an issue for me.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

95% of the EVSE/DCFC’s are in the front of the car/parking spot.
That’s lowballing the 95%
I have yet to see a non Tesla and even an L2 EVSE that is NOT in front of the parking spot.

Electrify America

Who cares? I’ve never been to an EVSE that doesn’t have a cable long enough to reach no matter how I parked.

Then you’ve never been to a Tesla Supercharger. Every one I visit has an annoyingly short cable. I prefer to back in, so that’s no big deal. But I have to back in and get pretty close to the charging station to make sure the cable reaches my 3. Not a huge deal in the grand scheme but one of my few gripes regarding Tesla. Still, my 3 is absolutely the best car I have ever owned or driven. Full stop.

That issue will go away soon with advanced summon and automated Supercharging.

I thought the CCS group didn’t authorize adapters to be used? Has that changed now as well?

There are a lot CCS charging providers in Europe who will gladly take the Tesla S/X customers with adapters. They have enough clout to push Charin E.V to amend the standard.

The CCS group doesn’t like adapters, but legally they have no bearing on anyone(unless they decide to sue). Now, with an adapter, as far as the car knows, it’s hooked up to a Supercharger, and as far as the CCS charger knows, it’s charging a car that uses the CCS protocol.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

This also explains why Model 3 doesn’t have a CHAdeMO adapter available.

Literally don’t all they need to do is send out an OTA update to make the existing CHAdeMO adapter compatible with the 3? Why hasn’t Tesla done that yet?

Now you need both hands to plug the charger’s cable. What an improvement!
(Need to remove the lower plug protection manually)

The render doesn’t show any protection…

(I agree though that it seems less convenient in general.)

€500, well I suppose I can spend this on an adapter if I can Fast charge on other charging stations to
I think Tesla will convert half of superchargers on location with new solution and keep half with old at least for some time
But I don’t like the aesthetics of the new charger, the old charger was nice slim design, but for compatibility I can give in for that, and good that Tesla keeps an open mind at the standards

Its the most elegant of any CCS connector I’ve seen

It’s a pretty low bar.

AIUI they will provide dual plugs at each stall.

Oh CCS won the war.
At least, Tesla made an excellent decision because of its mission which is about to advance EV adoption and save the planet. I would be very interested in buying Model Y with a CCS Combo charge port.

European regulations won that war for Europe.

Yup. EV makers unfortunately did not get together and create a true universal EV charging standard, so a government had to step in and force them to do it. That’s how, for example, the switch from leaded to unleaded gasoline was handled. Hopefully the U.S. government will follow suit, but added government regulations are an anathema to the GOP-lead Senate and White House. So that will almost certainly have to wait for a less hard-right presidential administration.

People decry added government regulations, but sometimes they do result in an improvement.

Unfortunately, I don’t see Japanese auto makers jumping on the CCS bandwagon, and China is clearly determined to go their own way… which will be a problem for Chinese auto makers when they want to start selling EVs in first-world countries.

Whether or not Japan gets on board is not too critical (outside of the ultra long-term). Right now, NA, EU, and China all use different AC connectors anyway, so if you take an EV outside of its region of delivery, you’re gonna have a bad time. Even in the future when each region has standardized on its own AC+DC connector, the regions will still not be intercompatible. So in the “best case scenario” where Japan switches from CHAdeMO to CCS, all that means is that EVs in NA and Japan can cross the Pacific and use DC charging (Japan is already on J1772 for AC).

Maybe at some point 20 years from now, the titans of industry (or more likely: the regulators) will get together and come to an agreement on one EV charger for all regions, opening up the international market. But honestly, the time for that to happen was probably 2008. I can’t see the AC standards changing now, with the amount of EVs already on the road.

An international standard for EV chargers at this point is about as likely as an international standard for wall sockets…

True, and that’s a shame. EVs are actually more difficult to transport internationally than ICEs, which makes no sense.

I’m hoping there will be a market for adapters (like there is for wall sockets), but with the enormous amounts of power potentially flowing through the DC pins, those are going to have to be some pretty robust adapters… which means $$$.

I hope they bring this to the US….
There are a few places in the US where there may not be enough Superchargers, but there are enough CCS chargers for urban charging. And Electrify America is making progress, if Tesla could use those stations, it takes a huge load off the Superchargers….

SC network should add CCS support and open it to other EVs.

Yeah, just as soon as other EV makers start paying Tesla to help support building out and powering more Superchargers.

There seems to be a distinct lack of any movement in that direction.

Paying for the energy will pay for those things. The question is will non-Teslas be charged more.

Could be as simple as PAYG, to include a per-use service fee for non-Teslas in addition to the cost of electricity

Tesla won’t switch to CCS in the US until regulators force them to.
They didn’t switch to CCS in Europe out of a sense of duty to the consumer, or because European automakers contributed to building out the Euro SC network. Tesla switched because EU regulators didn’t give them a choice.

There seems to be quite a bit of controversy about that. The rules apply to public charging networks, but Tesla’s network is “private”. Tesla might have changed sooner and also changed the S and X if regulation was the motive. It might just be that there are finally enough CCS stations online to be useful to Tesla. But I don’t really know one way or the other. Perhaps it was both pressure from governments and market conditions.

No, Tesla will do whatever is financially beneficial to them. At some point, maintaining inventories and production line capacity for different charge ports will become more expensive than consolidating on one in the regions where it makes sense. In this case, it’s an inevitability that US Tesla production and Superchargers will be migrated to CCS/combo.

If this means a quicker death to CHAdeMO in the US somehow, I’ll all for it.

China is merging their GB/T charging standard with Chademo, which may give Chademo global dominance by numbers, and certainly regional dominance in Asia. It will be interesting to see what the merged Chademo plus GB/T connectors look like and how they achieve backwards compatibility. It seems like it must be adapters, which no one likes…

It would be awesome if they added CCS to US models too!

They should add CCS to their SC network and open it up to the public.

no. SC is subsidized by tesla vehicles sale. i fact a big factor imy decision, if not the biggest, was their promise of protecting the long distance travel by both continued expansion and policing the network use to guarantee availability for long trips planner. it is like buying a parking place in a condominimum to guarantee you can park every night. independent ccs operators on the other hand are not that. they are pay per use, public parking spots. now you are saying i have to open my prepaid reserved parking spot for public use, alegedly because i have a right to visit any paid parking as much as the others. tsk tsk tsk. i probably wouldnt mind sc network to be opened for others iff tesla kept their long trip availability pledge. but somehow i doubt they will be able to, as they cannot plan for the car volume of other manufacturers. Heck, they even had to resort to policing their own cars, aka fair sc use policy, parking penalties etc. to keep them available. For a general user this is hardly enforcible. If they open it to other evs without fair use policy control, they will be immediately… Read more »

They have said that they are willing to license access to the Superchargers to other car companies willing to pay. No takers so far. (But who knows what the terms they are offering.)

“Tesla switches the Model 3 to the Combined Charging System in Europe.”

Being able to charge at more locations is very good.

This is a huge selling point for the Tesla Model 3 in Europe.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

The following statement is wrong: “Tesla switches the Model 3 to the Combined Charging System in Europe.”
Tesla has _added_ Model 3 to CCS in Europe.

This is great news and a testament to good leadership. Most companies would have never parted that easily even if it makes a lot of sense. Look at all the annoying Apple standards tormenting the world for decades now. Well done Tesla, a good move for the company and EVs.

New iPad Pro is USB-C. I’m guessing next fall, all the new iPhones will also be USB-C. End of an Era. Thank the Godess.

When do you think USB-D will come out? And will it support 350 kW charging? Innovation is not over, sorry.

Tesla made this change because EU regulators forced them to.
Apple is moving to USB on their devices because EU regulators have already hinted towards a similar move for phones.

This is not true. The EU directive just forces to set up new charging stations with at last one CCS plug , so that there is at least one common standard available. Manufacturers can continue to promote their own standards. Tesla switches because the CCS locations outnumber the SC locations 10 to 1 in Europe, there are CCS stations becoming available directly at highway stops etc. Tesla could likely not compet with their network without a very high investment and finding new partners for locations.

If new Tesla charging stations are required by law to have at least one CCS connector, then that means that either Tesla can switch to CCS, or have two cords on every new charger. Given that Tesla is already required to use a Type-2 Mennekes connector in Europe, in practice, that IS “forcing them to make the change.”

Could be a smart move for sure. Access to a lot of extra fast chargers.

Given the volume Model 3 will sell, will ensure few people waiting to charge.

Maybe a software upgrade can utilize the extra juice some ionity chargers offer too.

Will they sell access to their chargers for other brands to earn more money? They could offer one price for their vehicles, and a higher price for others (if they can pull it off without looking like a du***).

Great move Tesla (as mandated by EU law). Now bring that to the US, and open your charge network to non-Tesla EVS.

Wonderful! I’ve thought for some time now that CCS was going to emerge as the standard for EV charging, at least outside China. So I’m very glad to see this step by Tesla toward enabling CCS charging for their cars.

As those who have been following this issue know, this is a much easier transition in Europe than it will be in the U.S. But still, I hope this is a sign that Tesla will eventually move toward making all their cars CCS-compatible.

Re the “frankenplug”: Yeah, it ain’t pretty. But having a true universal standard for EV charging, rather than competing charging protocols, is more important than the plugs being compact or simple or pretty. Back in the day, BetaMAX videotapes were smaller than VHS tapes, but that didn’t stop VHS from becoming the standard.

CCS is no universal standard. It’s two local standards — one for Europe and one for North America. It’s meaningless in Japan and China.

The sad thing is that while the Frankenplug makes some sense in the US (there are simply not enough pins for high-power charging on the Type 1 connector alone), for Europe Tesla’s extended Type 2 approach actually made much more sense 🙁

(Drawing parallels between the somewhat larger but generally well-designed VHS tapes, and the CCS Frankenplug abomination, is pretty ridiculous IMHO.)

If VHS was so “well-designed”, why did it have to stop and unthread the tape before fast winding? Why was the resolution (particularly chroma) so much lower? Why did they have to add more rotating heads for HiFi audio? (OK, let’s stop, everyone knows we are old people now.)

Apparently the theoretical quality benefits of Betamax were barely noticeable in practice, especially as recording times were increased to make it more competitive with VHS…

But that’s beside the point. I’m not claiming VHS was superior. I’m saying that it didn’t have fundamental design compromises like the CCS Frankenplug.

I hope they do the same in the US but instead they adopt the J3068 plug, which is almost the same as in Europe. This way we would have a truly worldwide charging standard.

It’s probably too late to change the AC standards for EV charging in each region now. That kind of coordination needed to happen about 10 years ago.

I would not be surprised if a new global charging connector emerges in ten years, we have only begun to innovate in EVs. Maybe it will use quantum anti-matter controlled by di-lithium crystals suspended in dark matter. Unless the dark matter makes it too hard to see. Spock will figure it out. Now beam me up, Scotty!

J3068 is mostly for three phase AC, which is common in residential areas in Europe but not in the US (with the exception of large apartment buildings). So I don’t see it ever being used on passenger cars here. Trucks will use it as most if not all commercial locations have 3 phase wiring. The control protocol might find its way into fleet vehicles that provide reverse power at night to earn revenue from grid services like frequency regulation, but that will still be with the Type 1 connector in the US, if I were to guess. IEC 61851-1 Annex D already standardized that and they just started working on the updates this week in Frankfurt.

Even J3068 can be also used in a single phase power grid, although it would have the same performance as J1772, but the charger and installation would still cost the same, so the argument does not stands. In the other hand, J3068 can go up to 68kW without needing a rectifier and complex power control, just by merely plugging into an available 3-phase power grid (and some basic control circuit) by a fraction of the cost of a CHAdeMO or CCS charging station. And who knows that, due to the popularity of EVs, 3-phase becomes more common in the US.

Elon Musk mentioned that there would be a Supercharger announcement at the end of 2018.

That Supercharger announcement still has yet to be made.

More details regarding Superchargers have yet to be unveiled.

Perhaps in December 2018?

I predict that Superchargers V3 would use CCS.

Automated Supercharging in conjunction with advanced summon features.

My best guess is that Supercharger will be spun off from Tesla and they will collaborate with other car makers to allow non-Tesla cars to charge using them. However, I’m curious if they will adopt Type 2 CCS (using J3068 connector) in the US too.

“Tesla switches the Model 3 to the Combined Charging System in Europe.”

Tesla made a strategic move.

Eliminate the advantage of your competitors.

A Tesla spokesperson sent us the following statement:

“While Tesla owners already have access to the most convenient and reliable charging solutions available between home charging, Supercharging and Destination Charging, we want to expand their ability to charge at third party fast chargers. In advance of Model 3 rollout in Europe, we will be retrofitting our existing Superchargers with dual charge cables to enable Model 3 which will come with a CCS Combo 2 charge port, to use the Tesla Supercharger network. Model S and Model X customers will continue to have full access to the network and a CCS Combo 2 adapter will soon be available to purchase if desired.”twork and a CCS Combo 2 adapter will soon be available to purchase if desired.”