Tesla Model 3 Spotted CCS Charging At Fastned Station

DEC 18 2018 BY MARK KANE 30

Final checks of Model 3’s CCS charging ability at a Fastned charging station

Tesla Model 3 was seen at the Fastned fast charging station in the Netherlands, and according to Roland van der Put, Head of Network Technology at Fastned, it was an engineering prototype.

Tesla apparently was performing charging tests (several 1-minute sessions at over 60% SOC) using the CCS Combo chargers as the Model 3 in Europe will be equipped with CCS Combo inlet.

There are no details about what power level could be achieved using the 175 kW Fastned charger, but it’s expected to be above the 120 kW rating for the Superchargers.

The Model 3 with CCS Combo is great news for third-party charging providers like Fastned, especially since the Model 3 probably will soon become best-selling electric car in Europe, which means a new stream of customers.

Separately, Tesla already started retrofitting Superchargers with CCS plugs as in about three weeks the market will start getting thousands of Model 3.

Source: Electrek

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Yay! I hope they go CCS everywhere. It was the right decision to go their own initially because the rest of the market was too slow, but now it will be wonderful to potentially eliminate a charging “standard”. Hopefully Tesla can start selling charging sessions to owners of competing cars, and have another profit stream. Now if Nissan would make some moves toward mercy killing Chademo, the world would be at peace. 🙂

Twitter: Dec 5 Roland van der Put / @RolandvanderPut (Head of Network Technology @Fastned)
Great technology and good to have these chargers at an increasing number of @Fastned stations!
The e-tron charges at 150 kW until 80% as can be seen in the attached charge curve of an e-tron that visited one of our stations (disclaimer: data from a pre-production vehicle).

Our Tesla S used to be able to charge on the CHAdeMO. I’d love it if our model 3 could charge on CCS and or CHAdeMO. That would show that Tesla can charge on anything. There are lots of ElectrifyAmerica.com all over the USA.

CHAdeMO is max 50 kW and often 25 kW.

That’s a limitation of existing charging stations, not of CHAdeMO. Faster stations are being rolled out presently. (Though I haven’t heard word yet on whether the Tesla CHAdeMO adapter will be able to make use of that…)

Current Tesla Chademo adapter is limited to 50 kW and doesn’t work with Model 3. It is on Tesla website.

There are higher than 50 kW Chademo stations installed for years. Even in the US recently opened Evgo station in Baker, CA, has some ABB Terra HP chargers that should charge up to 100 kW Chademo.

When is Tesla going to come out with a CCD adapter for US tesla’s? Hopefully it won’t be as large as the CHAdeMO adapter.

If anything, probably larger. Higher power (presumably), more involved protocol translation, more complex plug…

and very expensive. Probably $1000+. The 50 kW CHAdeMO adapter costs $500.

Actually the chip that does the CCS communications protocol is in a 5x5mm package. It is about as complicated size wise as teaching flash memory to appear as a USB drive. At the electronica in Munich Qualcom was handing out free samples of the reference circuit design. But even in the real world you can get an eval board for CCS communications from digikey or mouser for pocket money.
There is no entrance barrier to use CCS.

No you can’t. Have you tried? CCS is very, very complex compared compared to CAN or any other protocol. It is radio over wire. Completely unnecessary complexity for a simple point to point communication. The chip – which is essentially a System on a chip – is ten times more expensive than a simple CAN transciever and requires an signal transformer. It also requires filtering around the circuit to avoid interference In short: the solution sucks. To make matters worse, it is patent encumberef. Qualcomms chips are very good if you want multipoint communication over powerlines. That is however the exact opposite of what you want for a vehicle charger.

The problem is that something like CAN that is a datastream doesn’t make any sense if you have to break it down into a packaged based protocol anyway in order to process it with standard computing technology. For a charging standard you do want a lot more then just negotiating the CC/CV values.

Like what? The key function is safety. On top of that you want payments/access control/optimised charging curve with respect to the grid/solar panels or electricity price. All of which is perfectly fine on a low speed bus. This doesn’t even require a CAN bus. I had a solution for that almost fifteen years ago based on the very simple Dallas one wire bus. If you want to connect the car to the internet for e.g. OTA updates of the vehicle, the PLC solution is useful. But, this is not an solution I expect to be used as mobile communication today are reliable and fast. Tesla and Nissan use that, as do the other manufacturersnI believe. The thing is, there is nothing that the PLC communication can do that can’t be done via the 4G network except for safety featured. And those can be done better by other solutions.

The 4G network requires that someone is operating that network. While filling up an individuals car while travelling might be the biggest concern for individuals it isn’t were the scope of the protocol lies. Doing a challenge response or any other verification is just a non starter.
For CAN you could even build a contactless sniffer that you hide at the charging stations and simply steal the data of any car that is using it.
Could actually be a fun project, maybe I ask some students to look into it.

Thank goodness that in the land of the free and the home of the brave, Tesla will probably never be “forced” to convert to CCS… meaning I won’t have to share the underwhelming local CCS DCFC network with 7000 new TM3 drivers every week. It’s already bad enough with a swarm of Leaf drivers that hog the combo chargers instead of going to any of the 5x more prevalent Chademo only DCFCs.

Now if Elon wants to put his money where his mouth is and actually support the broader adoption of EVs by adding/converting supercharging stations in the USA with CCS capability for all, game on. I mean, you can’t honestly say you are “all for EV adoption across the board” when adding CCS capability to the supercharger network is now clearly possible and practicable.

To put it bluntly, I’d rather buy my overpriced juice from Tesla than VW (Electrify America), a.k.a. diesel gate a-holes.

Since Porsche and BMW have just demonstrated that 450 kW charging speed is already here and will be used on the next models. Tesla would have to use CCS to compete against them in their Supercharger V3 because Tesla-type charger could at best have been a short 145kW blip.

Not so fast. Battery longevity is much more important than charge speed at the Porsche dealership. Audi etrons will be in the queue at the Porsche dealership and what they gain in charging speed they will loose in convenience, shorter ranger, longevity, etc.

Why would Tesla drivers use the “underwhelming” CCS network, if they can keep using Tesla’s dedicated chargers? I expect that to be an exception rather than the rule…

– “underwhelming” CCS network
All 189 Porsche dealers are installing 350kw chargers, as are 400 Electrify America stations by late 2019. I assume Audi will do the same (at least 150kw) at its dealers. There are 368 U.S. Mercedes dealers, all of which (presumably) will be installing 150kw chargers.

U Singh, you write about charging at dealerships as a good thing and therefore clearly you have never attempted to do this.

Umangi is a serial anti-Tesla poster here and probably doesn’t even own an EV.

The vast majority of those chargers in the northeast are actually L2, and not CCS at all. Those that are CCS are almost all 50kW, even when EA finishes their first round on 6/30/19.

You mean they were ‚forced‘ to convert to a standard that is far more common in Europe and more convenient for customers? Germany has about 10x more CCS locations then Superchargere. by the way, Tesla could continue supporting their own standard under current legislation.

From Wikipedia: “In the European Union according to the Directive 2014/94/EU, all high power DC charging points set up after November 18, 2017 shall be equipped for interoperability purposes at least with Combo 2 connectors. However, this does not prohibit the set-up of other charging points (e.g. CHAdeMO or Tesla Superchargers).”

Tesla could have chosen to use their proprietary connector BUT any new charging station they set up in the EU has to ALSO provide Combo 2 (a.k.a. CCS for Europe)… so any new supercharger would have to include CCS and there wouldn’t be any Teslas to plug into them unless the Model 3 came with CCS. It would be nice if they did the same in their home country without being legally forced to do so. Just say’n.

At the annual shareholder meeting in June 2018 Elon Musk had mentioned that there would be a “major Supercharger announcement at the end of 2018”.

Has that happened yet?

Have any details already been announced/revealed?

High powered CCS charging plugs are supply constrained at the moment and Tesla is late to the CCS party so they have to wait until ABB, Tritium and all the other established manufacturers have been served.

@ eject

So, what was the announcement?

Yeah, that guy says a lot thats not happened.

“major Supercharger announcement at the end of 2018”

End of 2018 is on the Muskian calendar, not Gregorian.

3 Tesla model 3 vehicles were registered in the Netherlands in December.