Tesla Drops 85 kWh Version Of Model S In Canada

FEB 6 2016 BY MARK KANE 28

Tesla Model S available in Canada - January 2016

Tesla Model S available in Canada – January 2016

Tesla Model S

Tesla Model S

Tesla no longer offers a new 85 kWh Model S in Canada any more. This concerns both the 85 (single-motor) and 85D/P85D (double motor) versions.

The number of versions of Model S was reduced from seven (in the U.S.) to four – 70, 70D, 90D and P90D.

The question is why is there no 85 kWh battery size option in Canada?

By the way, we checked Tesla’s design studio for a few other markets and it seems everywhere else the 85 kWh version is still available.

It could be a general move from 85 to 90 kWh, and perhaps Canada happened to be the first test market to judge consumer reactions. As in fact, there really is not that much sense in offering battery pack differences of only 5-6% of capacity, so this move to eliminate the 85 kWh version makes sense to us.

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28 Comments on "Tesla Drops 85 kWh Version Of Model S In Canada"

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adamryb
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adamryb

I’m sure our cold Canadian winters are to blame – Tesla still needs an entry level 70D model; but if you’re going to go for the bigger capacity battery, may as well go all the way to 90kWh to offset the cold weather range drop.

Robb Stark
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Robb Stark

The Mexican Tesla design studio is now open and you can’t order an 85 either.

Doubt it is because of the Mexican Winters.

buu
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buu

its because of Mexican summers 😀

evcarnut
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evcarnut

That Makes sense..

Alaa
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Alaa

+1

Three Electrics
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Three Electrics

Long needed production streamlining.

ffbj
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ffbj

I think so. At least that is what Telsa says.

viktor
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viktor

The design studio was recently open for the Mexican market and there you could also choose only between 70 and 90. What confused me even more was that air suspension is included in all models, is it because of bad roads or is it something that will come to other market later?

Alex
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Alex

End of 2016 there will be no 70 version because of Bolt. Than entry level will be 80 and top 110.

Adam
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Adam

I’ve said this previously, perhaps it’s not such a bad idea to keep kWh down and reduce cells in the car to reduce weight as energy density rises. Just because it’s electric doesn’t mean we can forget about energy efficiency.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

By that argument, gasmobiles should all have small gas tanks, because carrying around the weight of all that gasoline isn’t energy-efficient.

The many benefits of a larger capacity battery pack far outweigh the tiny energy loss from carrying a few hundred extra pounds.

As a rule of thumb, auto makers give their gasmobiles a gas tank large enough to take the car 300 miles. Why should BEVs not be similarly equipped, once battery costs come down far enough?

Jeffhre
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Jeffhre

My guess is 75 and 95!

Ambulator
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Ambulator

Last I heard it was $3,000 for the extra 5 kWh. That may help Tesla move to profitability.

andre
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andre

and eventually drop the too complicated,extremely delayed X too?!….for profitability…..and concentrate everything on the 3…..(before to late!)

PVH
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PVH

To much investments yet made in Model X so IMO that would not make it a good strategy but I agree that there is a substancial chance Model X kills Tesla as we know it now. I mean if investors loose confidence in Tesla because of the X then there is no way Tesla can get hold of the huge cash amounts it needs to develop the Model 3. So future hanging on the “Smart money” decision. Right now Tsla stock has lost more % since X release that VW stock has lost since dieselgate by the way. So model X (and current macro) is Tesla own dieselgate right now, sort of…

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

Are GM’s and Ford’s stocks also down because of some non-existent problem with the Tesla Model X?

Tesla’s stock is down because the entire market is down, and no other reason. As the market recovers, so will TSLA.

PVH
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PVH

You might be right, time will tell.

andre
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andre

wishful thinking…(unfortunately!!!) markets are 10%down…TSLA 40 % down…and just watch the chart….

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

TSLA is a volatile stock. Yeah, it’s down more than the average market drop… which is exactly what one should expect from a volatile stock. Will it stay down? I’m no market watcher, but I see no reason it should. If it follows past performance, it will go back up again soon enough.

The problem with all too many TSLA investors, both long and short, is that they seem to confuse performance of TSLA, the stock, with performance of Tesla Motors, the company. I don’t see that the two are strongly coupled.

There doesn’t seem to be any rational reason to believe the current drop in stock price is related to anything happening at Tesla Motors. So again, it looks like a mere market fluctuation.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

In all fairness, I should point out that there is a very recent Forbes.com article which claims the drop in TSLA is at least partially due to slower than expected ramp up in Model X production, coupled with increased future competition from the GM Bolt and perhaps other EVs. In other words, not merely a market fluctuation:

http://fortune.com/2016/02/05/heres-whats-behind-teslas-long-slow-stock-slide/

If I had read that before writing my comments here, perhaps I would have been less confident that the TSLA stock price will rebound.

Benjamin
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Benjamin

No way they drop the X right after they finally start making them in volume. Model X is going to be a huge success for Tesla, IMO. Luxury sport SUV is a big market and Tesla’s got the baddest of the bunch. Tesla will just be ramping up production as fast as they can to deal with big demand.

Other makers of higher end luxury sport SUVs (i.e. Audi and Mercedes) are going to get hammered the same way they did by the Model S taking their luxury sport sedan sales.

pjwood1
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pjwood1

Could mean 70 will soon be the only RWD option, for all. That’s too bad, because it makes the range upgrade unnecessarily expensive.

Adam
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Adam

I suspect that production of the 85kWh cells could also be ramping down. This is only good news. Still think there could be room for single motor 90 however.

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

The battery cells are the same in all current versions of the Tesla Model S. The higher capacity battery packs just have more of them.

The reason the S60 weighs less than the S85 is because its battery pack has fewer cells.

Durkle
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Durkle

I’d like a source on this, because that was not my understanding. I thought the smaller packs had less energy dense cells as well as fewer… How else would they have gone to 90 from 85 if not through cell improvements? Unless the 90 and 70 do both have the newer larger capacity cells?

Pushmi-Pullyu
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Pushmi-Pullyu

I don’t think you’re gonna find a precise acknowledgment from Tesla that the cells they are getting from Panasonic increase in energy density year-on-year, but industry watchers know that’s what is happening with all EV cell suppliers. I can point to Elon Musk saying “On average, we expect to increase pack capacity by roughly 5% per year.”

source for quote:
http://sustainablerace.com/three-dog-day-by-elon-musk/

There is no rational reason to think Panasonic is supplying Tesla with different cell chemistries with different energy densities for different battery packs. The reason Tesla chose those 18650 cells is precisely because they can buy large quantities of cells which are exactly alike. Having Panasonic make different types of cells would defeat the purpose of scaling up production for a volume discount.

I can, at least, give you a citation showing that the older S60 had a lower curb weight than the S85, proving that the smaller capacity battery pack was lighter, because it had fewer cells:

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Page 149 of the 3/31/15 Model S Owners manual lists the curb weights as:
with 85kWh battery: 4630 lbs (2100 kg)
with 60 kWh battery: 4407 lbs (1999 kg)
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source:
https://forums.teslamotors.com/en_EU/forum/forums/need-assistance-precise-curb-weight-each-model-s-variant

Leaf Owner
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Leaf Owner

No need for 2 models so close in range / capacity. I’m surprised it took this long frankly. I think it will always make sense to have two versions of these type EVs — one longer range for those who believe the extra range is worth the $$$ and a standard range for more affordability.

mike w
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mike w

Its possible that fewer and fewer people were buying the S85 so it would made sense to just drop it. That’s why they dropped the S40.