Tesla To Double Supercharger Capacity By End Of 2019

NOV 20 2018 BY DOMENICK YONEY 53

Version 3 will increase charging speeds early 2019.

The Tesla Supercharger network is the automaker’s secret weapon and it’s about to get even more super. The automaker’s CEO has announced the vast network will double in size over the next year as well as see an increase in speed.

Elon Musk made the news public on Twitter, his favorite way of promoting positive product developments. One tweet (embedded below) mentioned the doubling in size, adding also that the improvement would mean between 95 to 100 percent of owners would be within range of the network. That’s pretty much all owners (obviously), with the exception of a few outliers. The improvements are needed as the company puts thousands more vehicles on the road each month.

Another development that will help as much as new locations is faster charging speed. In a second tweet (embedded below), Musk mentions that the third iteration of Superchargers will be released early in 2019. While we don’t know the exact specifications of “V3,” as it is called, two years ago Musk seemed to tease that it would be over 350 kW. It should be kept in mind, however, that the vehicles — especially the Model S and Model X with smaller batteries — may not be able to take advantage of this extra charging power. The current generation of Superchargers can put out as much as 135 kW, though owners generally only see a top rate of 120 kW.

The Supercharger network is a significant way that the brand has distinguished itself from competitors, giving customers confidence in their ability to make trips of significant distance. It’s integrated with Tesla vehicles to the extent that one can ask the car to plot a route of hundreds of miles in length and it will lay out a map on the large touchscreen with any needed stations, along with the anticipated time to charge there. Other manufacturers have been relying on charging networks from third-party outfits with wide-ranging costs, speeds, and reliability.

The difference in approaches, we believe, is reflected in the sales figures. While the Supercharger network may not be solely responsible for the wide disparity in sales success between Tesla and its competitors, there’s little doubt it plays a key role. According to its website, the California company now has 1,375 locations worldwide with 11,424 Supercharger stations.

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Great job keeping the pedal down. At this point I really don’t feel like there is a shortage of locations along any route i travel but certainly see the need in continuing development as their fleet continues to grow to avoid congestion.

I wonder if the CPO vehicles will ever stop having supercharging for life. I recognize the car was sold that way but once Tesla takes ownership of that car again i would imagine they could take that feature away without recourse.

Tesla has actually historically ADDED supercharging to cars without it when they CPO

I have read that the current SuperCharger V2 usually tops out at around a 120 kW charge rate. I have also read that the V3 version will top out around 157 kW, though some Teslas won’t be able to get very close to that number.
So I am quoting a rumor, which makes it gospel.
😉

V3 is supposed to be over 350 KW.

Assuming stalls are still shared: 350 / 2 = 175 per stall when the lot is full.

That’s not how the stall sharing works right now. When you share a stall, every car will get a minimum of 30kW (unless the car doesn’t need the full amount), the remaining power will go to the car that was plugged in first.

AFAIK, the sharing limitation is due to the power supply (not sure the correct name of it) but it’s the big container next to the stalls. There is one per stall. It is only able to supply 120kW for both stalls but if they were upgraded and had sufficient input power from the grid, then you could have a full 120kW for each charger.

So, when they update the superchargers to v3, you don’t know if they’ll remove this stall sharing limitation by upgrading the bottleneck.

AFAIK it is the charger that is in that cabinet/container, and that is what is limiting. What you see next to the car is just the cable with plug and its housing. That sharing is a brilliant idea of lowering cost, by adding a second inexpensive plug and housing on the same cable-set and charger they can charge almost double the amount of cars on the same charger. Cars does not charge at full rate all the time so with single charger for each charging plug a lot of the time there will be available power from the charger that is not used. Also all the time from a car is finished charging until the next car is charging is “downtime”.

From articles about the Porsche 350KW chargers I think you need an 800V electrical system or one where you can switch from parallel to series operation for charging.

ATM, the only car with an 800V system is the Porsche (AFAIK). Everyone else is around the 400V level.

good luck to the battery to who ever USE porsche charger………… the battery would probably last 2-3 years……… then change again and again and again……….

Don’t buy their propaganda. You don’t actually *need* higher voltage for higher charge rates — it just saves on the size of cables and plugs…

Windbourne, I think Elon claimed V3 could be “as high as 350 kW” a few years ago, but Tesla seems to have reduced their goal for charge rate on the V3 more recently. I hope you are right, that they are still going to be able to jump straight to 350, but I would be ecstatic if it exceeds 200 kW real world charge rate. But I am not following this as closely as some do, so I may be wrong.

Even Elon walked back from the 350 kW for cars. The Semi will use a crazy high charge but the Tesla fleet will probably double the max from today so 250 kW is a nice balance between speed and battery life.

They very clearly said 200-250 kW was the most they could support without battery harm. I agree that’s about as far as they can push NCA.

If/when Porsche starts to demo 350k they’ll need to respond. EV tech leadership is critical to the brand.

I suspect it’s also as much as they can do without upgrading Superchargers to a liquid cooled system and cables.

Most current Tesla’s can’t even charge at 120kW, or not for very long before tapering kicks in.

Curiously, the Porsche prototypes spotted thus far weren’t charging anywhere near 350 kW… I’m beginning to think that their “350 kW charging” is the same as Bolt’s 80 kW charging: that’s the level of charger power to get the highest charge rate the vehicle supports, but it doesn’t mean the vehicle actually uses all that power…

Either way, I’m not sure Tesla feels the need to “respond”, except by restating that beyond a certain level, they consider more range more useful than even faster charging…

Good stuff.

Way to set the bar even higher. Go Tesla Go…!!!

not mentioned but will v3 be comingled in with the older stalls?

I imagine they will replace them one stall at a time without closing down the whole site, to minimise disruption for customers who are relying on the location being available.

In Europe at least V3 will come with two charging cables, namely the current Mennekes Type2 standard for S&X plus a new (rumoured to be liquid-cooled) one with CCS2 plug for Model 3 and possibly other OEMs later.

Model 3 in Europe will only have the CCS2 port, and are scheduled to start arriving in March 2019, but there is as yet not a single V3 SuC installed, so Tesla will have to get the finger out in a major way in the next 4 months.

IMHO doubling the network inside a year is absolutely impossible, but if they manage to add 50% to it in that time it would still be highly impressive.

Hopefully the V3 upgrade will include the ability to supply maximum power to all cars even when the place is full, thus eliminating charge rate sharing/throttling.

Type 2 CCS Combo is the Mennekes plug with the additional DC wires underneath, as far as I can tell. Tesla being the smart company that they are will most likely still use SC with their Model 3, but also be able to sense the CCS Combo and use that as well. As always, Tesla can use everyone else’s infrastructure, making it that much more attractive to purchase.
Are they putting CCS Combo onto their SC because they want to, or is it because of EU regulations? If they put CCS Combo onto SC how will billing work? Lots of interesting things to look out for.

I’m not convinced that CCS cabling is tied to Supercharger v3. Could be entirely orthogonal upgrades.

Also, I very much doubt they will upgrade stalls one at a time. That would be a *huge* logistic complication. Much more likely they’ll just shut down the site for a day or two. (Though I guess in some locations they might add a bunch of separate v3 stalls first, so the temporary shutdown of the old stalls during the upgrade wouldn’t matter…)

Last but not least, while certainly a huge effort, I wouldn’t say that doubling Supercharger stalls next year is impossible… Considering that the fleet will almost double by the end of next year, I’d say it’s actually pretty much a necessity.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

They said that last year.
And given the increase in sales has been more than double, they should really be increasing them by more than double.

It doesn’t need to scale that way. In my area (and most of the US outside of CA), the superchargers are never full. We don’t need double just because there are double the cars. Each new one is appreciated and helps but has nothing to do with how many other Teslas are out there.
I supercharged this last weekend – Fri evening and Sun afternoon – what you would think of as peaky times. Just the 2 of us both times in an 8 stall. Both times the 2nd one left while I was there. And I was only there for 15 minutes Friday and then 10 minutes Sunday for bathroom break. I did need the miles and returned home with just 12.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Installations need to scale with sales.

Coverage is also far from complete. Coverage is really just distributed capacity, but the discrete nature of capacity means that you have over-sized installations in locations with low demand.

It’s the size of the deployed fleet that matters, not the current sales rate.

Last year, they were still hoping for significantly more Model 3 production in 2018, which would have increased the fleet size faster… Since production got delayed, it makes sense that Supercharger additions also got delayed.

(Though delays in v3 development probably also played a role: I would assume that after a certain point, all new stations were planned as v3; but since it hasn’t arrived yet, they couldn’t build them…)

Go Tesla! 🙂

There is great potential for Supercharger V3. If we remember, Tesla has to launch the new Megachargers for the Tesla Semi which will need charging speeds well above what current Supercharger V2 can offer. With 350kW or more necessary for the Semi and new Roadster with the 200+ kWh battery packs, and the next gen Model S and X to get new larger capacity battery packs, faster charging is necessary. Along with solar and power packs taking the charing stations off the grid in many areas.

Interesting that there is anticipation for faster SC charging, yet home charging is the slowest it has ever been. When the “S” was first released, the dual charger (80 ampere option in North America) was purchased by the majority of “s” buyers. This was recently lowered to 72 amperes, and now eliminated entirely, so that the only charger available for a Tesla is the 48 amp model, with only the 3 midrange getting the 32 amp model.

The occasional use cord is down from 40 amperes to 32 amperes, although the new unit is much safer.

So, buying the highest price “X” will only have 48 ampere charging. The lowly Bolt ev has 32 at least.

Its curious since every Roadster had 70 amperes as standard, and now no tesla will have anything nearly as powerful.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

No. Buying the highest price “X” will have 72 Ampere charging.

You need to learn to read.

You know, you have the typical Moronic Response. I can PROVE my point – you can only prove yours by referencing ancient history and documents. Perhaps Tesla brochures are just too technical and sophisticated for your comprehension.

Look at Tesla.com and hit the SHOP button. Click Model X accessories. Click on your favorite color wall connector. See that the ‘3’ MIDRANGE (and supposedly, the 3SR, if and when it is released) – need a 40 ampere circuit (for a 32 ampere continuous duty charger). Notice THAT ABSOLUTELY EVERYTHING ELSE Tesla currently makes, including the highest priced “X” – requires a 60 ampere circuit, which is just fine for a 48 ampere continuous duty charger. The only time a 100 ampere circuit is required is if you have 2-4 Teslas charging simultaneously on a single circuit.

Again, its the case of the spoiled kindergartner lecturing someone very informed. If you were more thorough a person you’d be much more ashamed of yourself than you obviously are.

For home charging I’d say 90% of the time 32A is plenty. Maybe feedback indicated that is what people are happy with. Need more, go to your local SC.

Perhaps some push back from utilities who would rather supply 48 amperes per car than 80.

6 years ago, most people wanted 80 since if they didn’t they would not have paid extra for it as explained above.

Per Musk, Locals are not supposed to ever use their LOCAL SC. Its for people traveling only. No Uber’s or Taxicabs hogging the stalls please.

That’s no longer entirely true, since Tesla introduced the (lower-powered) “Urban” Superchargers explicitly for use by people who can’t charge at home…

Since the original Roadster could charge *only* from AC, it was pretty important there; and I guess early Model S too, before the Supercharger network had been built out… Nowadays it seems less important, since whenever you need to charge a lot in a short amount of time, stopping at a Supercharger is likely a more convenient option anyway.

Good. I saw 9 Tesla’s waiting inline Sunday afternoon for an open supercharger…… not sure if that was just a holiday week rush.

Why on earth anyone at this point would believe Tesla’s claims about how many SCs they’re going to add ‘next year’ is beyond me. After all, they claimed they would have 10k stalls at the end of 2017, and fell more than 1,600 short of that (8,352 per supercharge.info), not to mention that they claimed they’d get to 18,000 stalls at the end of this year. Actual worldwide total as of 11/18/18 per the same source? 11,361.

Tesla has overclaimed the number of SCs they’d complete every single year, typically by 30% or more. This year looks to set a new record for them for under-performance, unless anyone thinks they’re somehow going to complete 6,600+ SC stalls between now and the end of the year, when they’ve managed only 3k YTD. Elon might as well claim that they’ll install the first SCs on the moon by the end of this year, and on Mars in 2019 – it would have about the same credibility.

Yep, look at this map and all of the SCs that say they are targeting 2018.
If all of these make it by 2019, I’d be very happy.
https://www.tesla.com/findus?v=2&search=wilcox%2C%20az&bounds=41.005348551686055%2C-99.12019181608656%2C27.959495768100194%2C-125.9854279792259&zoom=6&filters=supercharger

Becareful, if you click in the locations in grey, some have an opening target date of 2018, but others have 2019 as opening targeting date, and others have no date at all (at least this is the way with the future locations in Portugal´s map). So, as these grey locations have to be taken with a grain of salt, not all are to be complete in 2018. Actually, in the last update in April 2018, if I remember correctly, the tweet of Elon was about the end of 2019 for the same map, not the end of 2018.

Agreed. They shoot for Mars and only get to the Moon. That is typical Tesla but we wouldn’t be to the moon without that attitude so most of us don’t usually complain about it.
I live in NC – overall not a high EV penetration state – and I over 20 locations reachable from my house (My first estimate was 10 then I decided to check the map). Each year is 2-5 more. Even have a zombie one that was needed because of hurricane related flooding from Florence. The zombie does not show up on maps. Just last weekend, I used one that is just a year old. I had my choice of when to stop because there are 2 about 30 miles apart.
Yeah – no complaining here.

Yeah GRA – I can understand why Tesla might want to increase the number of charging stalls but I don’t see where they have any interest in greatly increasing the power levels since the cars they make cannot take any more (the newest “urban” dispensers are actually smaller than the original SC when only 1 car is charging), and it would involve plenty digging up existing property to enlarge wiring, and other equipment.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

A standard Supercharger cabinet serves 2 stalls and the 2nd car is power limited.
If they upgrade the Supercharger cabinets to 240kW+ plus every stall could have full power.

That actually seems like the most valid reason, great point. They’re current lineup can’t really take any more power, they taper down from even 120kW pretty quickly. But not having to worry about parking every other stall or waiting for the first car to slow down will increase overall throughput at the busier stations.

If that was the trend – I could see that – but unfortunately, that is not the trend – since the newest URBAN dispensers cannot send that much power to the car, even if the mate dispenser is empty.

So why would Tesla claim they are making SC fields more powerful but then installing the newest urban styles with less capacity than the original?

Are you saying they constantly change their mind? I wouldn’t think so since I’d think Musk has bigger fish to fry than retrofitting at great expense perfectly fine SC installations that have yet to be fully amortized.

Now, if they incrementally come out with a ‘V3’ model, whose stalls simply add to existing equipment, then that makes plenty of business sense since Musk is getting Value for his Construction Dollar.

The Urban Superchargers serve a different purpose.

“Why on earth anyone at this point would believe Tesla’s claims about how many SCs they’re going to add ‘next year’ is beyond me.”

This time Lucy PROMISES not to pull the football away.

You don’t have to believe that they hit that ambitious target to be excited about it. If they only manage to get to say 19,000 instead of 23,000, that would still be great news.

As for the “record” miss this year, it’s probably related both to the delayed Model 3 production ramp (so there was less urgency than in the original plans, along with less earnings to spend), as well as the delay in v3 development — they said in the past that deployment will accelerate with v3. Thus I think there is actually good reason to hope they will get closer to their target next year.

Even towns like Cambridge OH and Parkersburg are getting them. I am so impressed. Jag and Porsche will take another 10 years before the coast to coast trip becomes reality.

Did you mean to say 10 months?

Nope it will take 10 decade

Destination Chargers at hotels are a secret stealth weapon and hopefully those will continue to expand as well. I really like being able to leave a hotel with 300+ miles of range in the morning. That makes 500-700 mile days a lot easier.

Do Not Read Between The Lines

Hotels are home away from home, and I think of them as that, rather than destination charging. I think they are an essential part of charging infrastructure.

Elon did not say Tesla would double network size (number of stalls), he referenced network capacity (stalls multiplied by power rating). My wild guess is that the capacity increase is mostly from installing v3 superchargers at the locations that are overcrowded, with a minority of new capacity coming from new stations.

That’s an interesting point… I’m not sure that’s what he meant — but it’s certainly a possibility.

I wonder if there’s plans to significantly increase destination chargers? I actually see myself using those more than the Superchargers.