Sudden Acceleration Again Blamed For Tesla Model S Crashing Into Restaurant

JUL 11 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 62

A restaurant in Atascadero, California suffered major damage when a Tesla Model S P90D crashed through one of its walls on Sunday evening.

The Tesla driver claims he/she was trying to park the car when it lunged forward into the building.

As KSBY reports:

“Atascadero Police say the driver of a 2016 Tesla was trying to park the vehicle at about 6:15 p.m. when they accidentally crashed into Kai Lana Sushi & Seafood on the 3000 block of El Camino Real.”

“The car lunged about three feet into the kitchen and caused serious damage.”

Fortunately, nobody was injured

Image Via Imgur

Image Via Imgur

If this crash situation sounds familiar it’s because a near identical wreck happened 2 years ago when again sudden acceleration was blamed for a Tesla crashing into Shogun Sushi restaurant in Bakersfield, California.

Source: KSBY

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obviously , the next time park your Tesla far from any sushi restaurant in California .

One broke through the glass wall at Lure seafood restaurant in Camarillo, Ca. Something seems fishy, lol.

Unlikely. My dad destroyed the entire facade of a 7-11 in his Jaguar when he put it in drive, not reverse. When he couldn’t get it to move because it was against the curb, he gave it more juice. I’m guessing this is the case of a rich guy not wanting to take responsibility because it’s embarrassing to drive your $150k car into a restaurant he frequents. No one wants to be that guy.

I also suspect that is the case. I’ve only ever once hit the gas when I meant to hit the brake and it was because I was in reverse and my body was turned around backwards, so my orientation with the pedals was slightly off. I was like 20 years old when I did that. and fortunately, I didn’t hit anything or anybody, but it scarred the crap out of me and I didn’t realize what had happened at first. I can only imagine if I had run into something before I figured it out, I would have claimed the car was at fault and might have legitimately believed that.

It’s “not very British to boast” about running into a 7-11.

it really depends on if you hit the American you were aiming for or not.

I would blame the whole thing on my Kia Hybride too!!!Teslas seem to be attracted to Sushi,or seafood.Those Teslas should be equipped with ejectable,parachute auto-pilot seats…..

I would bet even money that the driver has had their Tesla for less than a month.

It is one of the face-lifted versions so it cannot be more than a few months old tops.

That is a point I didn’t know. My idea was that only a person that didn’t know the Tesla well would hit the gas while thinking they were hitting the brake. These aren’t accidents, they are people doing stupid stuff they wouldn’t normally do in a car they were familiar with.

Shouldn’t the collision avoidance radar prevent exactly this kind of thing?

Hopefully someday it will work reliably enough to use at low speed inside a parking lot.

At this stage of development, my understanding is that it would give far too many false positives in this situation to be of any use.

Let’s keep in mind that autonomous driving software and hardware is a a very early, and very limited, stage of development.

“Crawl before you can walk, and walk before you can run.”

Maybe they can restrict throttle input when they detect nearby vehicles. We don’t want the system to stop completely when there are vehicles near by (e.g., while parking), but we surely don’t need 100% throttle when vehicles are nearby either.

Stoplights, highway traffic, etc. are all situations where the system could get confused.

Maybe the data collection from AutoPilot will allow them to filter down to right scenarios to prevent these accidents. If it was easy, Tesla would have done it already.

… and (metallic) waste lying on the street or wet bushes nearby or potholes with sharp edges are all very hard to distiguish for radar compared normal cars. And for camera systems there are always strange lines on the surface when it rained.

No. These cars are equipped with collision detection, not collision avoidance. It will set off sensors and give the driver a warning that a collision is likely (often times getting the brakes ready before braking), but it won’t bring the car to a screeching halt to stop the collision. The technology can’t tell if it’s detecting a false positive, otherwise it’s possible it would slam on the brakes in the middle of a freeway causing cars behind to crash into it without reason. If the driver’s foot was on the pedal, the car would assume the driver can see that the coast is clear and keep on going (unfortunately into a restaurant in this case).

Several Chevy cars including the Bolt have crash imminent braking that will apply the brakes if it detects your current speed would not allow sufficient time to brake before impact.

GM’s Front Automatic Braking System only works if it can see a vehicle ahead. And, the accelerator pedal can override the FAB system.

From the Impala manual:

“To override FAB, firmly press the accelerator pedal, if it is safe to do so.”

Tesla has something similar. It kicks in around 15-20 mph, not in a parking lot.
once you are going this slow, you have 100% control.

“Shouldn’t the collision avoidance radar prevent exactly this kind of thing?”

Our Subaru Outback will. I know because I’ve tried it in a parking lot with large, empty box.

The Subaru Eyesight, like GM’s Forward Automatic Braking System won’t activated below 6 or 7 mph. It also won’t handle a fence or wall with a uniform pattern. Both will deactivate with a firm enough foot on the accelerator.

I think they should get it to stop such events.

When you are at less than 10 mph and the detector “sees” something dead ahead . . . don’t let it accelerate like crazy. I just don’t see the situation wherein it should allow rocket acceleration from slow speed when it sees something ahead.

Agreed. In a car equipped with this many sensors, I can’t understand why this isn’t the default behavior.

No, it wouldn’t. Most, maybe all, emergency brake systems defer to human input, so if a human is pushing the accelerator the braking system won’t activate. It’ll warn, but if the human keeps pushing the accelerator it won’t interfere.

Stills seems non-sensical if the car can tell when there is wall in front of it.

Do These people Realize that this car Has BRAKES!!!!!! Sudden acceleration Happened With My Then AUDI 5000 ..all I did Was Put the gear selector in neutral & Apply The BRAKES!!!! There Were N0 Consequences…… These people Either Never Learned how to Use the them ..Or they are hitting the accelerator pedal…Just blame the Car ! That always works !

Why are you posting under a different name?

Ch Ch Ch Changes…Don’t you like it ? Want me to go back?..I work @ Jimijon’s now ! … cheers

One of these days Tesla is going to have to make a default ‘sedate’ mode that more slowly ramps up the power at the bottom of the pedal so old ladies quit ramming restaurants accidentally.

What’s the point? People are just going to use the fastest mode regardless.

Actually, people do intentionally use the lower power modes. My father in law uses his lower mode in his Volt.

Haha yeah sure. A person who thinks that a 417hp/311kW 90D is weak and opts for a P90D instead will want use a sedated mode?

I think what you are suggesting boils down to “restaurant avoid mode”. This is a touch on the nanny state side of things. At some stage people have to accept responsibility for your own actions.

I think a law that bans you from sitting in the drivers seat of any vehicle after you have accidentally driven into a building more than once is probably more appropriate than another irritating menu with a warning on it that people will just ignore.

This car is very fast. It can do 0 to 60 in sub 3 seconds at any surface weather etc. A simple touch with your right foot on the wrong pedal and the reflex of an ordinary person is not fast enough to correct this simple mistake. The likely hood that the driver is over 50 is very high. Simply because it is too expensive for a younger to afford! That makes the reflex of this person even slower and there is just no chance for him to stop the car in time if he was trying to park it. The time it takes for his brain and nerve to react is just not fast enough.

I don’t think that the age of the driver is the problem here. As has been noted by others in previous discussions of this same problem, the natural “panic reaction” when you find your car suddenly accelerating is to push the pedal even harder.

The logical reaction, taking your foot off the pedal and checking to see if you were pressing the accelerator by mistake, instead of pressing the brake as you meant to do, is contrary to the normal human reflex action.

Race drivers and some in the US drive using both feet one on each pedal. The brain controls which one to press. In some cases the two get pressed. Either intentionally or otherwise. At any rate the time for the brain to react in a parking lot were there is just few feet between cars, this time is too very short for the motor nerve to react.

Alaa said:

“…some in the US drive using both feet one on each pedal.”

I learned to drive using a manual transmission. When I first started driving a car with an automatic transmission, I ignored the advise to use just one foot. But I found that when I tried to do a panic stop, I’d jam both feet into the floor… pushing both the brake and the accelerator.

So, I soon started taking the usual advice to not use the left foot when driving an automatic transmission car. And I can’t imagine that situation has changed in any important respect, in the decades since I first drove an automatic transmission car.

Now, that’s not to say that race car drivers can’t learn a different set of conditioned reflexes. But don’t most true race cars use a manual shift? With a manual shift, then of course you’re using both feet. But the right foot is still shifting from the accelerator to the brake; all the left foot does is push the clutch pedal.

In the case of the Tesla or any electric car for that matter, the computer can easily detect if both the brakes and the accelerator are depressed. The computer can do that in mil seconds if not micro and nano second. In such a case the brakes will take priority and the electric motor can also be turned int an alternator. Thus the car will stop. By the way you can not do that with a gasoline engine. There is a delay factor that is by far more than the speed of electricity.

So the bottom line is you can use both feet in an electric car.

There are actually 4 pedals.

(Left to Right) Blank, Clutch, Brake, Accel

The left foot should be operating the clutch when required (manual only obviously) or firmly planted on the blank pedal to keep the racer/driver firmly in the seat (assuming the vehicle doesn’t have a harness).

Right foot gets the Brake and Accel. And both sometimes, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heel-and-toe.

At least how I was taught…

You are making a lot of sense saying the time it takes for his brain and nerve to react is just not fast enough. I am not familiar with all the modes but maybe along with all the different acceleration modes there should be a driver operated and selectable parking mode, with severely reduced speed and torque that gives the driver the time to react to bad decisions or a slip of the foot in a small space.

I don’t see the average driver being willing to take the time to change driving modes every time he switches from, say, divided highway to two-lane highway to residential two-way traffic to a one-way street to a construction zone to a driveway/parking lot.

And self-driving software is gonna have to get much, much more sophisticated before the car is capable of reliably, accurately recognizing all those different driving conditions (and probably several more).

As a reminder, Tesla AutoSteer still has trouble finding the edge of the road in some cases. Speaking as a programmer, I’m sure we’re very far away indeed from having software sophisticated enough to tell when a car is in a parking lot, without being told.

0ver 50 & bad reflexes …l m a o …not always true., Bad Drivers , yes !…I know guys 1n their 70’s that have & still can take down big guys half their age or less…

“Not always true”. Yes but generally, it is true. They just don’t want to admit it.

The ones in denial are likely the sort that drives slow in the fast lane and refuses to move over.

What a cheap building. I mean the Tesla looks hardly damaged and the cardboard/vynl wall is destroyed.

It’s actually T1-11 siding, it’s an old house that was converted into a restaurant. It’s basically plywood with “texture”. (yes, I live in A-town).

Probably at a couple hundred dollars damage to the vinyl and cardboard building. The Tesla looks hardly touched.

I blame the Autopilot! 🙂

Totally Autopilot’s fault.

More likely – Auto Throttle Foot (right one)!

After all – a light squeeze on my very low powered (16 kW) Electric EV Conversion, can make it twitch off Quick – so imagine a P90DL!!!

I once backed into the protecting posts that protect gas pumps, back when I was a younger driver, and I once backed into a Pole with a Solid cover Canopy blocking rear view mirror sight lines in a Pickup, but I never – ever Nailed the Throttle in any car while going forward in a parking lot! Tesla’s have enough power and with any D model, enough traction, to climb any protecting Curb!!!

Don’t try to “Dine N Dash”!!!!

Pay yo BILL!

“Sudden acceleration” on a P90D LOL

Dumb person driving f*cked up. Plain and simple. Man up and take responsibility for your stupid action.

Badge is underline. With Ludicrous Mode.

But the car just accelerated by itself. Right……

This is what happens when you give people who are as far away from being petrolheads as possible a car that has supercar levels of performance. People who are too incompetent to drive a bicycle sit into a car like this. And let’s face it, most Tesla buysers are just that. Nerdy, techy guys who just want the newest gadget and couldn’t actually care less about cars, not to mention their driving talents are similar to those of an average house cat.

Meow.

Why such vitriol to Tesla owners?

I cannot blame the car, but I do have more understanding of the problem after driving my X for a couple thousand miles now. I note that I often find myself going slower or faster than my intended speed. Note that I am not new to regen, having two Volts for over 4 years, with a new 2017 (and those paddles) for a few additional months.

However, the regen is more robust in the Tesla and there is such a small range of pedal travel that keeps you where you want to be on the speedometer. And when you punch it, like I did today passing a truck…HOLY CRAP. Motorheads of decades gone by still had manual transmissions and LOUD feedback (combined with inherent delay) to temper their acceleration…

…I think about how much acceleration lurks SILENTLY behind that pedal and it can be quite alarming. I think about a leg cramp in my right leg and I actually worry a bit…

…with that said, again, this article is clearly not about the vehicle’s faults. But it is probably that much easier to AMPLIFY the driver’s error with that much torque laying in wait.

Perhaps a new feature, pedal sensitivity, might be in order.

In this case where the car obviously goes towards a wall on a collision course something that prevent that would be useful.
That would have saved Star Trek actor Anton Yelchin from his Jeep that was also slowly moving down the slope but enough to be fatal when it didn’t stop in front of the gate wall.

No news here, in Florida this happens all the time in ICE vehicles.

This is why I enable “creep” mode in my Tesla. It acts like an ICE car’s transmission. When you take you foot off the brake, it slowly starts rolling in the direction of the “gear” you’re in.

I enabled it after a near collision I had. I overshot a drive-thru menu and backup up to put my order in. I forgot to put it back into drive While I finished my order, a car had pulled up behind me. I tapped the accelerator and was startled to find myself going backwards! I almost rear-ended(?) the guy.

Please stop making news of this crap! This just makes Tesla look bad.

Clearly an early production Model S without an auto-pilot sensor system. Models with forward looking sensors should have brakes on detecting the wall in-front.

A number of higher-end ICE have anti-collision avoidance systems. (ie: auto breaking)

It is very possible to be driver’s fault. Driving is such a reflex action. You do not think too much when you are driving. With so many new technologies introduced in new fleet of vehicles. People would need time to adapt to new technology, not to mention that most people might need to switch between new and old cars with different driver assist functions. The standard setting for Tesla has regen mode, which do not need to use braking in most cases, and non-creeping mode. This could very possible causing some problems. Also, if people switch between cars with and without blind spot detection, it might eventually cause some accidents.