New 2018 Nissan LEAF Comes To Seattle, Goes On US Tour

SEP 10 2017 BY MARTY VANDRIEL 29

2018 Nissan LEAF arrives in Seattle for people to check out…just days after its global debut

Saturday September 9 was the occasion of two rare events – first of all, it rained in Seattle!  (For all you doubters, it was the first real rain in the great northwest in nearly three months!) Secondly, there was a 2018 Nissan Leaf (details on the 40 kWh/150 mile+ EV) on display for the general public for the first time, all part of the National Drive Electric Week festivities in Seattle’s Denny Park.

Traffic around the Nissan display was brisk, as Leaf specialists explained the car’s features to interested visitors. The Leaf on display was a white SV model, with the same “floating roof” paint scheme as shown on stage at Nissan’s world-wide reveal on September 5th.

Nissan representative talk all things “LEAF”

I was eager to hear what the onlookers thought of the new car. One EV veteran, Doug Sebastian, was impressed with the car’s looks, which he thought appeared better in person than in the pictures and videos he’d already seen. As a current owner of a Tesla Model S 85D, and a 2013 Leaf, Doug knew a lot more than the average visitor. He was particularly curious about the new Pro Pilot Assist, and wondered how long it would be before Nissan would add more intelligent driving features to the model. Doug also thought that the 150 mile range would be a significant enhancement to how the car would perform in the market.

Checking out the 2018 Nissan LEAF

Another area resident, Margie Bone, is an enthusiastic Chevrolet Bolt driver, and nothing she saw in the Leaf changed her mind about her Bolt!  For Margie, the Bolt’s 237-mile range make it possible for her to rely on that car for all her local driving needs along with road trips up as far as Bellingham on a regular basis. She did admit that the new Leaf looked great!

2018 Nissan LEAF with dealer plates from its home manufacturing state (Smyrna, TN)

A couple of visitors from Germany were very inquisitive as well, and were actively looking for their first EV. The great question of range was foremost on their minds, and on hearing that it had increased to 150 miles on the latest Leaf, that seemed to keep them intrigued.

Reactions to the car’s appearance were all quite positive, with a few folks mentioning that it was a huge improvement over the last generation. A young lady who worked at Microsoft was interested enough to put the Leaf on her short list of vehicles to seriously consider.

Nissan employees were registering current Leaf owners for a driving experience once cars are available, and invited them to a launch event to take place on the evening of October 14 in Seattle. They were also giving away future Nissan Leaf collectibles!  This humble scribe took home some cool Leaf swag, along with an item that might come in very handy this coming fall and winter here in the Northwest – a giant Nissan Leaf umbrella!

Editor’s Note:  The 2018 Nissan LEAF debuted Friday September 5th in Tokyo and Las Vegas (details/watch here), and Nissan has wasted no time getting the 40 kWh/150 mile EV in front of Americans, as the company has kicked off a live tour during NDEW- check out more dates on the tour here.

Our thanks to Marty for attending the Seattle event and filing this report!

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29 Comments on "New 2018 Nissan LEAF Comes To Seattle, Goes On US Tour"

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Any Model 3s at the event? After all, it is in production and being sold, right?

Also, any word on battery warranty, longevity or temperature management? Surely someone asked. I couldn’t make my local event due to a prior engagement.

Yea! The Tesla cars were right next to the GM cars in this Nissan event.

ROFL!

What are you asking about. The Leaf?
The battery is bigger 40kwh has no active thermal management, and since they just came out, there is no information regarding battery longevity. My guess it will be poor in comparison to Tesla, or even the Bolt, if history, and Nissan’s adamant refusal to add a TMS to their evs, is any indication.

Also this is also well known and often repeated information, which can easily be found with a slight effort.

Sorry you could not make your local event. It probably would not have helped much, since your recall abilities, and cognitive functions seem not be functioning quite up to par. Similar to the new Leaf.

The hope was that Nissan would turn over a new leaf, but instead they raked up some old
ones, pressed them in a book, gilded the edges and put them on display.

Just my two cents, combine that with your contributions and we have, two cents.

That is funny ffbj!

I asked perfectly legitimate questions regarding the presence of Tesla products and questions about the new and improved best selling EV of all time.

I thought that perhaps someone might have quizzed the LEAF product experts present about the battery warranty which might clue us in to the company’s expectations regarding battery life.

Instead of answering the questions or offering anything useful, you resorted to ad hominem attacks. I am sorry you are so insecure.

+++. Insults. All we ask is questions and reasons and rationality not bias and fanboyish

Doo your OWN due diligence in comparing battery warranties, if you are a New EV Buyer. If your Leasing, then, not so much!
No worries for Leaf Leasers ONLY!
Please look closely at depreciation schedules for EVs that you may want to buy/own.

Try being helpful rather than resorting to name-calling. This community deserves better.

ffbj you need to be more specific. The Leaf does have thermal management. It is air based as opposed to liquid based. If you live in Nevada, Arizona, or parts of California, the lack of liquid thermal management could be relevant. In more temperate parts of the world – i.e most of the rest of the US or Canada or Europe, I haven’t seen any indication that lack of liquid thermal management has been an issue for anyone. Europe is filled with Zoes and Leafs and e-Golfs and nobody has really had any issues.

Per “but instead they raked up some old
ones, pressed them in a book, gilded the edges and put them on display.” – Nope! They only Sugar Coated The Edges! In the Humidity of Seattle, and in the Heat of Phoenix, they will get Sticky, and Wilt!

Maybe they will understand – and then get it right, for the 2019 models? Here’s Hoping!

What is there in leaf to see. It will be a forgotten model soon.

While it might be a forgotten car in the US.

It will almost certainly sell extremely well in both Japan and Europe where 40 kWh is enough range for most people and people don’t need a vehicle the size of a house to move one person. Having prevalent high speed rail links really changes what you think your maximum range requirements are!

In answer to the original question, if you buy a 2018 LEAF in Japan the garauntee on the battery is:

“8 years 160,000 km”

https://www3.nissan.co.jp/vehicles/new/leaf/benefits.html#ZESP2
(In Japanese)

M3 - reserved -- Niro/Leaf 2.0 - TBD

personal attacks aside, the Leaf 2.0 was pretty impressive at the San Diego event yesterday. It was the SL too.

No driving since only one car there to view, but we all were impressed by the amount of cargo space and utilization of the car.

Compared to the Bolt, the interior is more spacious and with wider seats and the cargo was enough for suitcases, dog, local junk hauling.

Compared to Niro (PHEV, no BEV at the event), I see the Niro as the main 150mi competitor for the lower segment once Kia starts those deliveries.

Tesla Model 3? No show. Only S was there. Unable to compare 🙁

We’re debating to whether to wait for the 60kw battery or not as we do okay with the Fiat right now. 150mi will get us by probably 99% of the time with standard overnight charging.

For all the hoopla on TMS, not really important when charging overnight so non-factor for a large segment of the population that doesn’t rely on public charging — but understand why is problematic for some heavy users (which I would believe PHEV would be better off at the moment)

“For all the hoopla on TMS, not really important when charging overnight so non-factor for a large segment of the population that doesn’t rely on public charging ”
Very true. Personally, I don’t care much about it but Nissan brand takes hits because of it. Not many non ev enthusiasts know why some of the Leaf batteries are at 50% capacity after 4-5 years of use and think that is the norm. Real reason to stay away from Nissan and from evs in general sa they may not understand there is a big difference between manufacturers.

I also went to the Seattle event, and while it was sponsored by Nissan there were several Bolts, Teslas, and many other EVs as well. The new Leaf did look very good, though except from the front end it looked a LOT like the current Leaf. I like that they will now have heating and cooling ducts for the back seat (with the cold weather package), and the price is very good for the range. The rep told me that the 60kWh battery and performance upgrade next year would cost an extra $5000, which seems pretty reasonable to me.

If Nissan is still not doing any sort of active cooling on their batteries.. Not even cabin air cooling, then I have lost all respect for them. From what I can see their new battery chemistry is not any more heat resistant than the old battery chemistry. 150 miles would be fine with me if I could expect to have that same 150 miles of range (or something close) 3 or 4 years later here in Texas. But since I can’t, the Leaf is off-the-table for me, nor can I recommend it to anyone.

The Nissan Leaf is sold globally in climates with all sorts of weather extremes. If there were a systemic high AER loss rate for the ‘Lizard’ battery chemistry we would see global class action lawsuits against Nissan for the abnormal battery AER loss.

I’m sure Nissan will survive without your uninformed opinion (anyone without an education can cite anecdotal and third-party attestations).

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE OTHERWISE?
https://cleantechnica.com/2015/03/25/99-99-nissan-leaf-batteries-still-operation/

Caveat Emptor
These cry baby 1st generation Leaf owners expect to be shielded from the risks associated with being early adopters of a new technology.

http://www.greencarreports.com/news/1109640_lessons-learned-from-early-electric-car-2011-nissan-leaf-at-90000-miles

The answer is to use better judgement and look in the mirror. A consumer who BUYS instead of LEASES new UNPROVEN technology is assuming the risk of product failure where a solution cannot be found.

Active Cooling is not a panacea for owners using poor judgement and abusing their propulsion batteries.

As a multiple BMW owner that has dealt with the costs of buying bleeding technology, it is a cost of doing business with the company.

Those who want 100% reliability should stick with 100 year old techology

The SF Bay Area saw 105+ degree temperatures last week (atypical) therefore the best laid expectations cannot be met and no one is to blame.

That article is talking about “failed batteries.” The trouble is, Nissan doesn’t consider a battery to be failed when it has lost significant amount of capacity. So I would say your opinion is the one that is uninformed. I have owned two Leafs, including one of the ones with the “improved” battery chemistry. Both had significant battery capacity loss. Yes, that’s anecdotal evidence. I also have anecdotes of owning a Chevy Volt for the last manyy years and had zero capacity loss.

Nice try to change the subject….

‘From what I can see their ‘Nissan’ new battery chemistry is not any more heat resistant than the old battery chemistry’

WHAT PROOF DO YOU HAVE OTHERWISE?
So, you have no proof but feel free to deride a new battery chemistry as no more effective than the original one.

Hope readers ignore your biased comments and read the blog site articles.
http://insideevs.com/nissan-leaf-battery-swap-under-warranty-video/

“…Those who want 100% reliability should stick with 100 year old techology…”

Yeah, how unfair it is for someone thinking about taking a chance on an EV to plunk down huge amounts of money and then have the battery fail prematurely, to think that THEY’RE the one who made the mistake, and the manufacturer has no culpability.

I’m not making a brief for GM, but it IS true that all of their cars to date can easily survive 105 Deg F temperatures. They may use somewhat more electricity to keep the battery sufficiently refrigerated, but the battery’s expected range will remain. This has been proven countless times.

The BAR for ev’s is defacto quite high: the car must perform almost as good as the automakers’ other usually excellent ICE offerings. Shoddily engineered or performing components in new EV’s could conceivably kill any general interest in them to the point where entire regions will swear them off for good.

That is specifically why I leased. I had owned enough laptops to know that batteries don’t last forever and I wasn’t prepared to own this technology. Seriously, who really believes that anyone’s battery can last ten years without noticeable degradation? Degradation is inevitable.

++ so true.

How do you know? No one seems to be able to answer the question of whether or not Nissan has made any changes to the packaging to improve dissipation of excess heat. Even if it’s not water cooling, it would be something.

Apparently people attended but nobody asked even though it is seemingly a more important issue than North Korea’s nukes.

For me not a big deal if its a 3 year lease. Big deal if its outright purchase. Wait and see on the 60kwh battery TMS.

The wait and see strategy, for TMS on the 2019 (60 kWh) Leaf 2.0 + is another delay to those seeking EV adoption. Nissan is going to probably install a 60kWh+ LG Chem battery pack, with at the very least, some kind of low cost TMS.

Will Nissan engineers design a similar quality Chevy Bolt liquid TMS for their LG Chem cells?
They will have to at least come close to matching the GM battery warranty, so YES, there will be something in the Leaf 60 kWh TMS, for the Nissan installation of the LG Chem batteries pack.

I don’t think GM is looking to be a volume global payer in the EV marketplace. If the Gen 2 leaf sales grow, I could see GM adopting a non TMS strategy on some of their EVs.

When the Gen 1 Leaf and Volt 1.0 were introduced the market was carefully watching customer interest. Goshn / Nissan toyed with different incentives / strategies on their Renault and Nissan EVs.

The original projected volumes never materialized for the Leaf and Volt.

If using a modified Leaf 1 platform and not requiring TMS on the 40kWh model allows Nissan to remain competitive globally and offer more AER with no increase in price, I see it as a winning strategy. Nissan is serious about being a volume global player in EVs.