# More Silly Scooters: “Impossible” by Impossible is Impossible

NOV 24 2014 BY TDILLARD 10

Impossible Technology’s Impossible Folding Scooter (Kickstarter Project)

While we’re on the subject of Silly Scooters, let’s not pass up the “Impossible”.  Aptly named, from a group of four enterprising young Kickstarter guys who call themselves “Impossible Technologies”, it’s, well, impossible.  That didn’t prevent it from being a fully funded on Kickstarter, however.

Here’s the basic idea:

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Right? So why are we skeptical?  Well, when we take a look at the video on the Kickstarter page, the structure seems a bit sketchy, but we’re going to give them the benefit of the doubt.  Hey, it’s a prototype, right?  But then there’s … the maths

We got to this:

With ten 2900mah 10A 3.6V 44.5g  batteries, Impossible can travel up to 12.4 mph for 45 minutes or at normal speed for up to 15.6 miles.

…after cleaning up the keyboard from lol’ing with a mouth full of coffee, we got out the calculator.  How much energy does a scooter need?  How much does it use?

The Go-Ped is a good, established brand  with some great specs for a wide range of styles of product, so we looked over there for a very basic metric: Watt-hours per mile.  Here’s the graph of the Go-Ped product line:

Go-Ped product specifications from GoPed.com.

Don’t panic, this is pretty easy maths.  First, what’s a Watt-hour?  Let’s start with a Watt.  A Watt is simply Amps x Volts.  It’s how you can compare, say, something that gives you 400A at 12V to something that gives you 20A at 200V, just for example.  (The first example is 4800W, the second is 4000W) A Watt-hour is a really useful battery pack number that tells you how much energy a pack holds regardless of the voltage or capacity of whatever cells you’re using and however you have them configured.  It’s a way to compare two packs – like a scooter pack and a Nissan Leaf pack – that are configured in vastly different ways, really easily.  Let’s start with the GoPed packs.

You have two – the Sealed Lead Acid (SLA) packs, and the PMW LiPo packs.  The biggest difference there should be the weight, not the Watt-hours, so let’s see if that’s true.  The ESR 750 EX has a 24V pack at 9ah (amp-hours).  To find the Watt-hours, you just multiply the amp-hours by the volts, so this pack is 216 Wh, right?  The LiPo pack on, say, the i-Ped 8 is running 8ah at 28V, so that’s 224 Wh – pretty close.  To compare, the Impossible pack is running ten “2900mah 10A 3.6V” cells.  The “10A” is just how much current they can discharge, so let’s ignore that, and let’s convert the numbers to the same units.  2900mah = 2.9ah, so it’s 2.9ah x 3.6V, or 10.44 Wh.  There are ten of them, so that’s about 100Wh.  See the problem here?

The Go-Ped needs around 200Wh to go 5 miles (in “Turbo” mode).  These guys are packing 100Wh and they’re claiming 12 miles.  Yeah, OK.

Just to finish our tutorial, let’s figure the most useful number for most EVs – the Wh/mile.  That’s a great number for evaluating the efficiency of any EV, from a scooter to a Tesla.  The Go-Ped, assuming their numbers are pretty good, is getting 200Wh for 5 miles.  That’s 40Wh/mile – again, “Turbo” mode.  “Economy” mode looks like about 20Wh/mile. A Brammo Empulse with a 10,000 Wh pack gets about 100 miles of range, so it’s pulling about 100Wh/mile – pretty standard for a motorcycle.  So the Impossible’s claim of 12 miles on a 100Wh pack?  Under 10 Wh/mile.

Impossible.

For example – If the Brammo could get 10Wh/mile, they’d be giving you, what?  Oh, 1000 miles of range on one charge?  Giving the Impossible a generous estimate of 20Wh/mile, with a 100Wh pack you get range of 5 miles, not the 12 claimed. Far more likely is about 2 miles, and that’s running your pack to dead flat – something you only get to do a few times before it becomes a brick.

Class dismissed.

Our Latin is a little rusty, but there’s got to be some twist on “caveat emptor“, for “Silly misleading Kickstarter project backer beware”, isn’t there?

(ed. note:  Our High School Latin teacher just called.  He suggested the old quote by P. Tiberian Barnumus, “Ibi est credulum homo natus perparvis” may be more appropriate…)

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10 Comments on "More Silly Scooters: “Impossible” by Impossible is Impossible"

” Impossible can travel up to 12.4 mph for 45 minutes or at normal speed for up to 15.6 miles.”

I couldn’t even get past this line. What, does it travel through wormholes?

Someone out there

It looks very light so maybe it can travel this distance by itself. If you want to ride on it however…

Actually i had the same idea when i read the numbers. Moving 1kg of weight is different from 70kg ^^

great project anyway. They will learn a lot. We have a lot to smile. Typical Win-Win.

I have a Go-Ped ESR70H Hoverboard. Made in USA, it’s cushy tires, folds to fit in the back of our Volt and Prius. I swear by the beefy durability of this thing and wish I bought a LiPo version.

I will say the advantage of the AGM version is affordability, it needs new batteries every 2 years or so – the amount I use it, and while I drool over the LiPos, the price is so much more than replacing the heavier batteries.

This Impossible scoot looks impossible to ride – credit them for trying to innovate, but I wouldn’t want to ride that thing if I was older than a young skater dude.

Hey, this looks perfect to ride on solar roadways! 🙂

NeilBlanchard

It does sound pretty difficult, and here’s another data point: a record setting Electrathon vehicle called Eracer, that has two Optima Redtop 12V lead acid batteries went 62MPH for an hour. That is 15.3Wh / mile.

http://www.electrathonamerica.org/News_files/Michigan%20Electrathon%20press%20release1.pdf

Now, the HUGE difference is aerodynamics. The Electrathon vehicles are tiny and very, very sleek. This scooter has the person almost upright and that is both huge and very high drag, even at the low speeds. On the other hand, the Electrathon vehicles go much faster and much farther.

Reminds me of a pair of oddly folding eyewear, for some reason…

Perhaps they’re simply redefining what a mile is, and what hours are.