Check Out Shell’s EV Charging Stations

2 weeks ago by Steven Loveday 49

It seems Shell is living up to its word, and making its way into EV charging.

As we previously reported, the company that owns Shell gas stations was in the midst of plans to install charging stations at some European gas station locations. As shown above, the first of these was spotted recently. Just a few weeks ago, we shared that Shell is in the process of adding the chargers at a slow clip. The company is working to get electric car charging stations in at 10 locations before the close of this year.

European CCS Connector

This is a smart move by Shell and others are already working on the same idea. Electric car adoption is increasing and people need a place to charge their vehicles, so it only makes sense to offer this at current “fueling” stations. If a whole slew of analysts are even partly correct, mass adoption is inevitable, and sooner rather than later. If companies like Shell want to succeed and get ahead of the curve, the time is now. On the other side of the coin, increased infrastructure will help lead to increased adoption.

According to Electrek, Shell entered into a contract with Allego to install and operate the new chargers, which carry the “Shell” brand name and look very similar to the company’s gas pumps. The charging stations have three ports; a Mennekes Type 2, CCS DC Fast, and CHAdeMO DC fast for widespread usability.

Rates look to be pretty reasonable at this point, but Shell and Allego are reportedly discussing upping prices for 2018. For now, it looks like there will only be stations with chargers in the UK and the Netherlands, but as EV adoption increases, this is likely to change. Shell could eventually move to put chargers in any of their 25,000 gas stations worldwide.

Source: Electrek

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49 responses to "Check Out Shell’s EV Charging Stations"

  1. KUD says:

    It’s great to see Shell getting behind EV’s, however I am not sure if I want to spend half an hour at a gas station. Unless the start looking like WAWA’s.

    1. I think this: People already know Gas Stations, they know Shell brand, and if Shell is going to lose customers to EV’s, this helps bring them back; plus – not Everyone has Seen a DC Quick Charger, while driving their ICE, and said – “Hey, I could Dig That!” Or, basically, if Shell rolls out a lot of Multi-Service DC QC’s – and draws in customers, they still win, and if BP sees their clients going to shell, they (And Others) will follow!

      Plus, as ICE drivers see more of these at Gas Stations, their range and charging concerns will fade, leading to greater confidence in where to charge, and more EV’s being bought! So, all good!

      Then, the smarter ones will discover charging apps, websites, and choices, and get even more excited about their EV!

      1. Goaterguy says:

        Great point.

      2. SparkEV says:

        “Hey, I could Dig That!”

        If there’s waiting for DCFC, especially with larger battery EV that take way over 20 minutes (ie, all EV other than SparkEV), that will actually turn people off from EV. Problem will be worse with more free charging EV with bigger battery like the new Leaf and i3.

        In fact, some fast food workers asked me why there’s always people hanging out at the charger, sometimes over an hour. When I told them that they are waiting to “fuel”, they said they’d never drive EV. I told them it’s not so bad since you mostly charge at home, but they weren’t convinced.

        1. Get Real says:

          Um, it depends on what you do while charging.

          Standing around waiting with nothing to do isn’t great but with Tesla’s strategy of placement near bathrooms/restaurants/shopping/wifi it does give you something to do while waiting.

          1. SparkEV says:

            I don’t think you’d be doing a lot of that at a gas station.

            Also, much of DCFC are near shops, etc. But if you leave to go shopping while waiting, you could lose your spot in line. This forces you to stay with the car at least until you plug-in.

    2. Ricardo says:

      We are talking motorway service stations here not some gas pump in the middle of the American desert. People already spend time there. sometimes they even go there for a cup of coffee. Perfect for Europe, even if the concept doesn’t exist in the US

    3. CDAVIS says:

      @KUD said: “… Unless the start looking like WAWA’s”
      ———-

      WAWAs & Sheetz … don’t be surprised to see Tesla Superchargers start showing up at some of these in 2018.

      WAWA & Sheetz both started out as convenience store chains that later added gas pumps to attract more customers to their stores. WAWA still has many locations that are sans gas pumps. Both of these store chains therefore are more agnostic than Shell regarding gas-pump vs electron-pump.

      The biggest consideration for both WAWA & Sheetz regarding adding car chargers is that parking space is limited and for them it gets down to the calculus of if assigning reservedbparking spots to car charging (which would reduce number of regular parking spots) increases or diminishes their net store sales. A source tells me that for this reason WAWA is considering providing chargers for some of their parking spots but on a non-reserved basis.

      Will be very interesting to see how all this plays out.

      1. MTN Ranger says:

        There are several Sheetz in my area that have DCFC. There are some also getting Tesla superchargers too.

    4. Rhaman68 says:

      You have to go to Europe and experience these places. Not a “gas station” US style at all. Food service on china and zero plastic. More like super rest stops. Quite impressive. Even Tesla cars require 39 to 60 minutes to charge!

  2. CDAVIS says:

    I’m encouraged that the Shell Recharge hardware seems well thought-out & designed.

    Gas stations are highly competitive with one-another… so expect a bunch more of these to show up at Shell stations when the suits at Shell determine that providing these Recharge electron pumps gives them a financial competitive advantage. Until then it will only be a handful for demonstration and PR.

    What will be interesting to know is what plans Shell has for adding Shell Recharge to the may Shell stations that are independent dealers (not Shell owned).

    1. cros13 says:

      They didn’t design any hardware. That’s a standard efacec QC45 triple head 45kW rapid charger, one of the most common rapid chargers on this side of the pond with shell stickers on them. There are literally thousands of these deployed (here in Ireland they are the most popular rapid charger).

      The way shell is installing them is with reverse-in bays which make them difficult to access depending on which bay is free and practically impossible to access with a trailer without unhitching or blocking adjacent bays.

      1. CDAVIS says:

        @cros13 said: “They [Shell] didn’t design any hardware…”
        ——–

        I didn’t intent to mean Shell itself designed the hardware…my bad on the poor wording of that.

  3. Texas FFE says:

    There are a few Shell service stations in the DFW area that have teamed up with evGO to provide DCFC charging but it’s an exception, not the rule. I have always believed that major vehicle service providers, Shell, BP, Exxon, etc., will eventually develop into the foundation of out of home charging infrastructure. These energy providers also have the most to lose if they don’t support evolving technology.

  4. Four Electrics says:

    Shell already has hydrogen facilities at five of its retail stations in Germany. One station, in Hamburg, uses electricity generated by wind power to produce low carbon hydrogen, which is stored on-site.

    A dozen more are coming to California.

    It’s nice to see Shell planning for the future.

    1. CDAVIS says:

      Four Electrics said: “Shell already has hydrogen facilities at five of its retail stations… It’s nice to see Shell planning for the future.”
      ———-

      Hydrogen = The Future?

      That’s news to me. Thanks for the info … I’ll head over to InsideHVs now and see what’s happening there.

      1. Get Real says:

        Yes, it shows how delusional he is.

        Same person who criticized Tesla for among other things the fact that they went with their own superior charging standard because the SAE couldn’t get their act together in time for the Model S launch.

        1. unlucky says:

          Tesla put a Mennekes connector on European Model Ses. J1772 existed before Model S. Why didn’t Tesla put one on US Model Ses?

          We can’t absolve Tesla for their incompatibilities and put it on SAE.

          1. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

            So tell us what the maximum power rating is for the J1772-2009 and what is the maximum charge rating for the Tesla interface?

            Which technology was better/faster then and of the two which is better/faster now and tomorrow which will still be better/faster?

            1. unlucky says:

              The charger on a Tesla in Europe is a Mennekes but with special deeper pins/larger contact surfaces for faster charging.

              There’s no reason they couldn’t have done this in North America too. On the S at least, the Roadster predated J1772.

              Again, their incompatibility is their own choice. Putting the blame on SAE doesn’t make sense.

              1. (⌐■_■) Trollnonymous says:

                “Again, their incompatibility is their own choice. Putting the blame on SAE doesn’t make sense.”

                That incompatibility happens to be their huge advantage over all other EV’s.
                Tesla should be thanking SAE for their typical slowness to act on getting a “standard” in place….lol
                😛

          2. Bill Howland says:

            Tesla always does things the ‘Tesla’ Way, that’s just the way it is. I paid $750 for a J1772 adapter for my Roadster, but that still didn’t prevent the TSL-01 connector from either locking on the car (replaced under warranty), or freezing on the car (happened all the time in the winter), which is why I always carried a 100 watt cigarette lighter inverter and 100 watt old fashioned trouble light and a beach towel (heat insulator) in the trunk, to melt the connector so that it could be removed, since the car arbitrarily decided to not move if the charge door was open. Wasn’t just me, the Tesla techs didn’t like the thing either…

            One warned me – “Never try to take this apart!”.

            “Why what happens?”

            “I used to work at Ford disassembling automatic transmissions with over 1,000 parts, so I thought – how difficult could this be? – but then seems like 100 springs go flying and I spent hours at one customer trying to put one back together… Learn from my experience – don’t touch it!”

      2. Bill Howland says:

        No need to wait for InsideHydrogen, InsideEvs.com has all the information you need regarding Hydrogen Vehicles.

        GM is following the same script, namely if ALL of their new vehicles over the next five years are totally Hydrogen-Fueled, they will consider them 100% ‘EV’.

        As it is I suspect that BOLT, VOLT, and smaller vehicles (think Aveo, Spark, Sonic) might have electric plug-in cords – but all the trucks, regular SUV’s and all those vehicles which sell in any volume will be Hydrogen.

        The auto industry seems to think that H2 vehicles are a Godsend. But I haven’t seen how these vehicles are going to compete with Gasoline on Price, unless you are talking Europe, where taxes make it artificially high. EV’s at least CAN be made to be refueled at low cost (or in my personal case, NO marginal cost), but I don’t see any business plan for perpetually free H2, especially when volumes increase.

        Perhaps this is all being driven by the big automakers disliking having to buy offsets from Tesla, especially since places like California consider H2 vehicles much, much better for the ‘ecology’ then plain BEV’s since they incentivize them so much more.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Even for trucks and SUVs, what is the advantage of H over gasoline for the driver? All I see is disadvantages of H, no advantage over gasoline whatsoever.

          Of course, if the gov’t force you to do it, there’s no choice. Might be the case if ICE cars are banned before battery tech gets good (cheap) enough.

          1. Bill Howland says:

            It saves GM from having to pay Tesla, that’s the prime consideration. The secondary consideration is to convince the prospective customer that he NEEDS to buy one. Refueling is his problem. Perhaps the dealership will have some overpriced stuff to help out.

            1. SparkEV says:

              If you mean carbon credits, GM has enough, so it doesn’t need to buy from others.

              I am thoroughly convinced that GM’s EV engineering is superior to Tesla (or anyone else). Should they need to ramp up EV production, they’ll do it and it will be better than all others.

  5. Mike says:

    I have always wondered why someone like Starbucks hasn’t installed chargers. They would have people hanging out for 20 minutes drinking 5 dollar lattes. Anyone who doesn’t mind paying that much for mediocre coffee and horrible baked goods would probably be willing to pay a premium to charge as well.

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Very Astute Mike – this is one place where Fast Chargers could be made a true Profit Center.

      (Demand charges and construction costs would fade into a minor expense here due to the volume of people hanging out at a typical starbucks during their VERY LONG business day) – and just as the coffee is mediocre, and its $5 because they sprinkle a bit of whipped cream or syrup on it, they could have equally trendy ‘mediocre’ 15-25 kw fast chargers which would just encourage more purchases of their mediocre pastries.

      Brilliant – hope they give you a free Latte for suggesting it!

    2. Blake Smith says:

      I think all franchise business should have a few charging stations in there parking lots so people can have charging stations where ever they park.That way you won’t have to wait in line to get a charger at a few places or a crowded gas station.Also it would be good for there business while people are charging they can be shopping and there would be stations everywhere

  6. TM says:

    How many KW are the fast DC chargers?

    1. TM says:

      I see here they are only 50 KW – not very fast. They would give a tesla additional range at about 2.5 miles per minute or 150 miles per hour. One would stop there only if they were desperate.

      1. unluck says:

        Teslas cannot charge from CCS chargers (as these are). So they wouldn’t stop there at all.

        1. CDAVIS says:

          @unluck said: “Teslas cannot charge from CCS chargers (as these are). So they wouldn’t stop there at all.”
          ——–

          Your correct that Tesla currently can’t use the CCS plug but it can use (with an adapter) the other two plug heads on the charger: Mennekes Type 2 & and CHAdeMO.

  7. TM says:

    I can’t seem to post a link, but google:

    shell DC chargers KW

    and you’ll find the article

  8. Joe says:

    Given they don’t state the kW output of their “fast chargers” this surely means 50kW only.
    Charging a long-range EV with a 60kWh+ battery results in at least an hour waiting time. This is essentially useless for everyone who is looking for having an EV as their only family car. At least if they like to make longish trips with it. Anything below 150kW output is not fast charging these days.

    And this is exactly the reason, why the Chevy Bolt and its derivatives can only be a second car, but not an only family car. Its charging speed is so slow that waiting for it to fill up again at 50kW is hell with children or with anyone who cannot waste a lifetime at the charging station.

    Nope, 50kW != DC fast charging. Period.

    1. SparkEV says:

      Even if there’s 150 KW chargers out today, I doubt any EV would sustain that power, and average would be lot less, probably 70 kW like the Teslas do today.

      But if that EV has 3X SparkEV battery (55 kWh), it would sustain 150 kW to 80%. Unfortunately, there’s no EV with battery like SparkEV.

      1. CDAVIS says:

        @SparkEV said: “…that power, and average would be lot less, probably 70 kW like the Teslas do today.”
        ——-

        Telsas today at regular Tesla Supercharger stations are up to 120kW per car. The smaller Tesla “Urban” Superchargers are 72kW.

        1. SparkEV says:

          We’re not talking about peak power. Most time DCFC is used, it’s for long trips, and that means charging to significant fraction of the battery. That may not mean 100%, but certainly 80% is reasonable. To that capacity, 120 kW peak average out to about 70 kW.

          1. CDAVIS says:

            You make a good point about ROC-kW backing-off as SOC goes up… which indeed lowers the *average* kW. For my Tesla S90D back-off does not significantly start till past 80% SOC which generally gives me over 200 miles ~35min up to 80% SOC.

          2. ricegf says:

            You don’t normally recharge to 80% on a road trip, but rather to the exact amount you need to reach the next charger plus desired reserve. This often takes a LOT less charge time overall.

            See EV Trip Planner for details.

  9. CDAVIS says:

    Interesting comparison…

    Tesla Superchargers vs. Shell Recharge Chargers (relabeled Efacec QC45 chargers):

    https://medium.com/productized-blog/tesla-vs-efacec-ef917e03a5b4

    1. Bill Howland says:

      Interesting: One slight correction – the ‘alternations’ in Portugal are 100, not 50 times per second.

      1. Bill Howland says:

        Er…. alterations.. The article seems to make the ‘big deal’ of conversion of AC to DC, but all conversions these days are relatively cheap.

        1. CDAVIS says:

          Yes… the AC/DC technicals are clearly out of the author’s wheelhouse but he is on-target that the Tesla Superchargers are intended by Tesla to be a tightly managed extension of the overal Tesla car ownership experience.

  10. Stephen.russell says:

    Expand to the US awesome , hello.Unocal, Exxon, Valero U 2

  11. James says:

    One day there will be rows of EV fast chargers at a Shell, BP or Exxon-Mobile station with a lone gas pump over in the corner. That day can’t come soon enough.

    Now is problematic. Not enough real estate to make money while EVs sit around for 45 minutes getting juiced.

  12. Mark says:

    this is how you do it. maybe it was obvious to them because of different grades of gas. each charger has three plugs. chademo, ccs and Mennekes Type 2

  13. Someone out there says:

    I’ve had this idea of a “recharge channel”, a TV channel that only showed 5-10 minute clips 24/7. Short news segments, skits, short documentaries and advertisements. This would be shown in every charging location for people waiting for their charge. Because it’s only 5-10 minute clips you can start and stop watching at any time, you are not really missing anything compared to for example only catching the last half-hour of a long play movie. It’s just something mildly amusing for passing time.

  14. Brave Lil' Toaster says:

    “For now, it looks like there will only be stations with chargers in the UK and the Netherlands, but as EV adoption increases”

    Hold on there cowboy. The reason Shell is doing this is because they’ve been forced to by the UK government. There still aren’t enough EVs in the UK to support the chargers – their sales rates are about the same as the US.

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