Longer Range, All-New 2018 BMW i3 To Launch Next Year – Welt am Sonntag

NOV 27 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 113

Citing undisclosed sources within the automaker, Welt am Sonntag is reporting that BMW will launch its all-new, longer range BMW i3 sometime in 2017. BMW naturally wasn’t available for comment on the German media’s revelation.

2017 BMW i3 Battery

2017 BMW i3’s 33 kWh Battery

If true, then this would be a Model Year 2018 i3 and we’d likely see it go on sale starting in Europe next Summer.

According to the report, the all-new i3 will featured some heavy reworking on the front and rear of the exterior of the car. Beyond that, an all-new battery pack could have up to 50% more range than the current 300 km maximum (NEDC).

The current all-electric 94 Ah BMW i3 (33 kWh pack) has an EPA-rated range of 114 miles (183 km). That’s a substantial improvement over the 81-mile (130 km) range of the original 22 kWh i3.

On paper, a 50% increase over the 114-mile range of today’s i3 would put the 2018 Model Year i3 at approximately 171 miles of EPA-rated range. That’s still well short of the current Chevrolet Bolt EV (rated at 238 miles), but very useful nonethe less, and another big step in the right direction.

Though just a rumor, our connections suggest that this is indeed what will happen with the i3. “All-new” isn’t accurate, but we do believe a refreshed i3 will come out next year with exterior appearance changes and likely some additional range. However, it won’t be until at least 2018-2019 before we see the real “all-new” i3 with 200-plus miles of range.

Source: Reuters, hat tip to Robster1979!

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The article actually says “no more than 50%” vs being a 50% increase.

The Range is a Joke…Infact This Little Plastic Car Is a Joke..All this Money for a Plastic “DINKY TOY” Not enough Car for what you’re paying…If they would Enlarge This Car & Give it a Solid “METAL SUBSTRUCTURE” And.,Increase the Range , It would be Worth the Money ..But Not at This Level..If you like this size Car .,Just Buy a bolt ! Already !Bolt is way More car than this Tiny Plastic “i i i” Car……With Way less Money Spent..We’re beating A dead Horse Here With This BMW Excuse of An Electric car!

I feel like you might be a product manager from Chevrolet.

Chevrolet , Tesla , Byd ,Rimac & all the rest of them ! l o l …I just call it the way I see it & make sense of it. Not always right , But the best Honest way that I am able to Make sense of it….In other words., “Just giving my two cents worth” If it’s any help.

Bolt doesnt have adaptive cruise control. The i3 is the more convenient car when commuting in stop and go traffic.

Dude, have you driven an I3? If not get down to the BMW dealer NOW. What a great commuter car and an absolute joy to drive, gobs of torque, light, handles like a dream… Yes it looks different but a true drivers car.

I’m not a big fan of the i3 . . . but c’mon man. Don’t be a jerk.

I am very happy to see BMW working hard to greatly improve the i3 and keep it competitive.

Not being a Jerk..This Plastic Car is Expensive ,hard On Insurance, Just a Plain & simple “Bad Idea” Putting a Band Aid On it will Not Fix It..

I think the i3 is exactly what BMW have always sold it as, an experimental concept level car pushing the boundaries. It is the equivalent to a sports car from the 1970’s but now the challenge is emissions and energy consumption rather than speed and handling. Just like those old sports cars the i3 isn’t a great car but the things BMW learns from this will very rapidly transition into the rest of its fleet. In 2021 I could see a plugin version of every BMW being on offer with something equivalent to the original i3 drive train i.e. a 22 kWh battery and a Rex. That will be pretty compelling as an offering

It’s a BMW, what do u expect.
The conventional BMW has the same problem, but don’t worry, many people are willing to pay for it, so I don’t see the problem.
Nobody buys a BMW because it is technically superior, but beacause it is called BMW.
And people who think they are technically superior, well they are just ignorant idiots, who don’t have experience with many different cars.

All witness to bogdan “everyone that disagrees with me is an idiot”, the supreme authority on cars. LOL

I apologize for using harsh words.
Nobody has to agree with me.
If u don’t agree, then can u proove the technical superiority over other premium, comparable cars?

Proving technical superiority is pretty tough.

I bought a 2004 545. Its efficiency at the time was amazing for a super fast large sedan. It was the most aerodynamic large sedan and used valvetronic meaning I could get 30 mpg at 70 mph which was fantastic for a large car with a 0-60 of 5 secs.

It had active roll control where it sensed a turn and motors tightened to roll bar. It had a system to change the steering ratio in the parking lot to make it more maneuverable.

Guess what, I bought it because in 2004 it was the most technologically advanced car in many ways at the time.

It also had software updates (at dealer) that had bugs sometimes but gradually increased functionality for free. I got MP3 playing off CDs a year after I bought the car.

I would rather compare a standard BMW with a standard anything you want, just the same class and same equipment car.

This gadgets you mention come with a price.

Mercedes has active body control, which is much better than active roll stabilization since the 90’s. Of course it comes only with the expensive models. I did’t meant comparing apples with bananas.

You’re rambling nonsense. I pay $57/month for full coverage on my fully loaded i3.

You know very little and summed it up when you said your rambling is your “2 cents”. We didn’t get our money’s worth.

For all your bluster, you don’t own a Bolt. That’s the bigger joke.

Nobody owns a Bolt. They’re not for sale yet.

“Yet”, is in just a few weeks – to a month away at most. Not much of a wait, when considering the time frame, that the rest of the pack of 200 mile/ under $ 50K cars is under, playing catchup. Those coming in the 2018 model year like Tesla Model 3, BMW I 3, or Leaf 2.0(IDS) to name just a few, of the current followers, are many months, if not a full model year away.

Thank You…..

I would take i3 over the Bolt. No way I’m going to buy a GM.

I would rather Lease a GM Bolt with 230 mile of range for significantly less than a BMW I 3 with 170 mile range. But, if I had to go all in on owning one for 60 months or more, I would not consider a GM product or its Bolt EV. I would rather wait for a Tesla Model 3 and drive another brand of EV. GM has to at least meet or beat Tesla, for me to consider climbing aboard the GM product line ownership experience.

What are the lease prices for the Bolt that are “way less” than the i3?

If it’s way less, sure, but i3 leases have been very aggressive. I couldn’t get a Leaf or Volt near me for significantly cheaper than an i3, so I wouldn’t say it’s a done deal that Bolts will be way cheaper.

Significantly less is not “way less”. But, the Lease price structure can close the gap on the actual “Cap Cost”. These are creative accounting adjustments to lower the monthly payment, among others. So there can be structured deals that can close the monthly Lease price between MSRPs that can be more than $ 10K.

So, the short version is that you don’t actually know what lease deals will be on the Bolt, so it may not be significantly less than the i3.

After sitting in 3 different Bolts already. I am very disappointed with the quality of the hard plastic interior surfaces. Even the lowest Deka trim interior of the i3 is far more innovative and less like a cheap rental car.

Have to agree with Warren on this. The Bolt EV is actually a noticeable step down from even the Volt in interior quality (everything from seats to plastic). It may seem like it isn’t a big deal to folks, but it is the part of the car you interact with day in and day out.

Honestly, a “Buick” version of this car could go a long way to addressing interior quality and for those that want to pay $3-4K more for it we can. Badge Engineering for the Win!

I think a Buick version of the Bolt will expand the market. Would love to see active Lane Keep Assist and Active Cruise cotnrol as additional features would be highly desirable.

Bolt needs those features, and they need them soon. Adding the radar and braking changes with lane-keeping/parking assist would make this more compelling product.

I’m hoping someone can figure out how to retrofit OpenPilot and Neodriven hardware to the i3 or the Bolt in the next 6 months. That would help me justify the cost of the new vehicles.

Go back to Fox “news”.

Faux “spews”! Perception transformation!

The i3 DOES have a metal substructure. It’s aluminum.

Also, the price difference between the Bolt and i3 is not that big, especially if you want some options on the Bolt. Also, until we have solid lease prices on the Bolt, it’s hard to say anything definitively. The i3 lease prices are very reasonable relative to the MSRP.

The plastic car is made of carbon fiber, just like Formula 1 cars. Steel wouldn’t make it any more solid, just a lot heavier.

yes, it’s a very expensive plastic. Did u ever try to insure an I3?

The insurance for my i3 was less than the Honda Civic I used to have.

Same here… cheaper then my previous car.

It’s the “Trump” way. Scream something false and hope people won’t say it’s false and if they say it is, scream even louder until no one else can hear anything else, who cares about facts.

Insurance on my $54K i3 is as much as my $143K MB SL 550.

My i3 insurance is just $10/mo more than my $25k GTI.

Yes and it was less to insure than a last-gen Chevy Cruze.

What was your point again?

Point is, repairing/replacing carbon fiber parts should be expensive.

My i3 is $10/mo more to insure than my GTI. Not bad for double the MSRP.

I have had 6 Audis and last year I sold my last Audi and leased a fully loaded top of the line i3 for $337 a month for 2.5 years. It was a no brainer. The car has more headroom than any of my Audi sedans or wagons, it’s very quick, has been a perfect car and has amazingly technology that parks itself and avoids accidents. Since I have solar energy it costs nothing to drive and the gas savings alone is more than my payment. It costs exactly the same to insure as my previous Audi Allroad which had a lower sticker price. So I love to hear the “experts” bash my carbon fiber techno gem with false info. I do have a clean driving record so that may help with my insurance rates. This is my favorite car I’ve ever owned and when my lease is up next year I will either buy it or lease/buy the next version. BMW free maintenance and free loaner cars makes the experience and cost even better. Is it weird looking? You bet. But at least it doesn’t look like all the other boring cars on the road.

It’s called carbon fibre. You know, the stuff race cars are made from…

I think you entirely missed the point of the i3 it’s designed to be a lightweight ultra efficient vehicle. Not just another heavyweight addition to the lineup.

Have you actually driven an i3. Just a super car. Here is apost from someone recently on the i3 group after recently taking a look at the Bolt (sorry Peter I copied without permission!): ——- Julie and I went to the Carlsbad Chevy Dealer to test drive the Chevy Bolt. Her replacement BMW i3 is soon on a ship to us and I am contemplating my next car move in May. I only drive about 6k a year. When we were there we were heartened to see 7 test drives, 4 for the Bolt, 2 for the Volt and one for the Malibu. So great interest at our local dealership for the Bolt/Volt. The Good: The range, the camera in the rear view mirror, the planted ride, the instrumentation, the steering wheel is much better and heated, blind spot indicator and flasher. lane departure warning, the peppiness although with tire squeal from the front. Rear seats were easier to fold down. The Bad: Really cheap interior plastics, uninspiring looks, (cheap imitation of the i3) front wheel drive that pushes when pressed, no nav but can hook up to cellphone, was expecting a larger and wider car, felt like the same… Read more »

I have the i3 and love it. I ordered a bolt for my girlfriend and when it came in, test drove it and found the the i3 beats the bolt hands down. There are many items about the i3 that surpasses the bolt, just to much to list them here, and I’m a Chevy man!
The bolt is good, and cheaper. But nothing like the i3

Id agree with you if Ive had only read the specs. But Ive actually tested the i3 for a full day. It is an absolute thrill to drive. And compared to the Bolt… well, there is no point in comparing them. The i3 is a premium vehicle, the Bolt simply isnt.

Darn, my new 2017 Fluid black Terra BEV is already on a ship on the way here from Germany. Sure more range is nice, but ONLY if they up the horsepower this time around. Also hope they will include more autonomous driving aids this time around.

What is “Fluid black Terra BEV”? Name a website or an official company name please. I have no knowledge of such an electric car.
There only seem to be elctric scooters from Japan which are named Terra.

“Fluid Black” is an i3 paint color.
“Tera” (not “Terra”) is an i3 option package, which for some reason known only to them BMW insists on calling a “world” instead of an option package.

Thanks for clarifying what BEV WARREN really meant: a BMW i3.

Just painting the car one color would probably boost sales but hopefuly they will make it sleeker and more BMW looking although I hate fake grills and hope they lose them as it is just an added expense and an aerodynamic drag…
More range never hurts either…

Yeah, but I sure hope BMW has some other pure EVs in development. There is only so much they can do to ‘fix’ this rather polarizing vehicle.

Which is why I ordered the full black i3 this time around.

Next gen cells are about 30% more energy, so they will probably just upgraded those and call it a new pack again.

Fixing the ugly won’t fix the doors. Not the weird egress/ingress problems (especially in parking spots) nor the rattly noise they make when shut.

BMW really should rethink their EV strategy and make some that appeal more to people who want a normal car.

Yeah, the i3 certainly has been an . . . uh . . . interesting polarizing vehicle.

But the really funny part is that it actually has been about the best plug-in to come out of Germany so far. IMHO, Germany really REALLY dropped the ball when it came to plug-ins. Mercedes ignored them. VW went full-retard with dieselgate.

I think Germany suffered the innovator’s dilemma and gave Tesla & GM a real big head-start in plug-ins by clinging hard to ICE.

True, but they are now on the fast catch up trajectory unlike most american carmakers that think the current president elect is going to take the pressure for innovation away, not realizing that they yield to the germans and chinese that way.

volkswagen is going to build their own gigafactory to be able to produce cars in numbers. Mercedes is investing 11 billion into catching up as well. BYD and many others in china are already selling 300,000 plugin cars anually. Things are going to accelerate rather quickly worldwide 2017.

These are just rumors.
Untill they have some serious EV on the market, the others will be light years ahead.
As u can see, we get new EVs from all kind of manuafacturers every day.

Besides Tesla, which car companies were really innovative? GM has greatly improved, but the first Volt was too expensive and the Spark was a bit of a compliance car. Nissan-Renault did good work with the Zoe and Leaf, but sadly they are lagging a bit lately.

The rest? FCA, Ford, Kia-Hyundai, Mazda, Toyota? Compared to those, the Germans are BEV miracle workers.

Personally I love the doors because I don’t often park in tight spaces. In that case, the doors actually make ingress and egress easier for me compared to, say, our previous GTI.

This is true. The “coach” doors are not appealing to most and the rattle IS annoying on such an expensive car.

Not enough range. Hey BMW where is your 200 mile EV for $35k?

It’s a BMW, I think you are barking up the wrong tree. I’ve seen few low priced BMW cars in my time. The average retail price on the normal ICE models is well over 50k euro in NL.

A bog standard 1 series starts at 27.5k euro in NL. If you want a cheap(er) vehicle you will have to look for another brand.

The new range is OK. Not as good as the Bolt but still very useful, particularly if used as a second or commuter car. The price however is IMO too darned high. Yes, the I3 has great performance and innovative chassis technology, but its a tough sell convincing buyers that the I3 is worth the significantly higher cost over the Bolt. I think the price gap between the I3 and the Bolt has to be narrowed in order for the I3 to remain viable.

Maybe not a good idea to plan to launch a 170 miles car 2 years into the 200+ miles era. I’m sure people are going to want the range…

It all depends on what the platform can support. It’s a waste of time and energy to make their plans for them; the BMW engineers know full well what they can “play” with. And so does the management team.
It would be much more devastating for the company/group to do nothing.

Some people only want BMW. Every other detail is irelevant.
Some people think just like this:
– I’m not very demanding when it comes to car, it just doesn’t matter what color, or any other detail has the BMW.

Two year into? Did you travel in time 😛

Summer of 2017 (2018 model) is at most 6 months into the 200+ mile EV and before the Model 3/Leaf 2.0.

And in Europe it will be only a few months or maybe even at the same time as the first 200+ mile EV.

It will also be the only one available in Europe in anything but very limited availability.

BMW is a European car company. 170 miles range is more like 140 miles range on the US scale.

Remember, the Ampera-e (Bolt) is a 500km car in Europe. that’s 311 miles.

Is releasing a car with just over half the range of an Ampera-e halfway through next year a good idea?

Now you were unlucky in your thinking. 🙂 170 miles is the estimated EPA range, not the NEDC.

So it would be 72% of the Ampera-E range. And it would be the second longest range available (except Model S/X) unless someone puts in a surprise upgrade or so.

Do I think it’s a good idea? No I think it’s a great idea.

Especially since the Ampera-E most likely will be in very limited availability in Europe. So the i3 will probably be almost alone in the top. Pushing other manufacturers to increase their ranges too.

More like 6-8 months into the 200-mile era. If the i3 is out in the summer, it will only be 6-8 months behind the Bolt and in the same range as the Tesla 3, supposedly.

Plus the bolt isn’t really “out”. It’s not available in Minnesota until after November of 2017. So if the i3 comes out in fall, it could beat the bolt.

BMW I 3 will be a nice addition with 170 mi. range, but the smart money will be jumping into a Tesla Model 3 by the time both of these cars become available. BMW is at least trying to keep up with this latest hint at what will be available later next year.

If you don’t have a Tesla reservation (or a way to skip the que) then the 200+ mile i3 will be available to you earlier than the Tesla.

Excellent point. Only the earliest of Model 3 reservations have any chance of being fulfilled around summer next year when this refresh would be available (assuming both this and Tesla’s timelines to be correct).

What everyone has already known for a while is that Samsung has new 120 Ah cells in the pipeline. They are smaller than the current 96 Ah cells, so perhaps it’s possible to make a new pack that has 50% more capacity and about the same size. I doubt it can be made compatible with the current pack though, due to the different cell size (unlike the move from 60 Ah, where the 94 Ah cells were simply a drop-in replacement).

Do those 120Ah have the same Votage? As far as I know all i3 cells are in series, so if they want to keep Voltage the same, they can only go 42kWh, or 82kWh, using the 120Ah cells

maybe the already know what nissan will bring in january

As I said before, the i3 can hold its own against all of the current 30kWh Plug ins as noted in the current comparison.

http://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1325453

The i3 had more range and efficiency than the higher “rated on paper” Ioniq. It was also by far the most fun to drive. Most people don’t drive over 120 miles/day. And for those that do, the range extender option can make the i3 more practical and perhaps allow it to make a trip that the 238 mi Bolt or M3 might not be able to. And when the i3 battery range reaches 170 miles, consider the fact that BMW could increase the range extender fuel capacity allowing 340 miles of total range, without carrying around a heavy 340 mile battery 95% of the time when you only need a 120-170 mile battery pack. 24lbs of gas vs 600 lbs of battery.

The i3 is a lot more expensive than all other 30kW EVs.
And how do you know that it has a longer range than the IONIQ? “carrying around a heavy 340 mile battery” – weight is actually not a problem at all for EVs. And as soon as you put a “range extender” in the car you get all the drawbacks of an ICE car (servicing the engine, having to go to petrol stations, air pollution).

Look at the test chart. The i3 blew away the others when it came to range and efficiency.

Weight doesn’t matter? The i3 is tall and unaerodynamic to give it a spacious feeling interior with lots of headroom. Not for eco-looks. If weight doesn’t matter, compare the EPA city rating of the i3 vs the heavier more aerodynamic model S. How do they compare?

Why does the BMW i3 get better energy efficiency (that is, more miles per kWh) than the Model 3?

Frankly, that’s always been a mystery to me. Sure, weight does matter when it comes to EV range, but it doesn’t matter that much. You can carry multiple passengers, or a larger and heavier battery pack, without having it impact your car’s range much.

One important difference between the two cars is acceleration performance. The i3’s official 0-60 time is 7.9 seconds, altho unofficially reported to be 6.4-6.5.

The Tesla Model S is famously one of the fastest production cars, with the original 0-60 time for the Model S85 (not P85) reported by Motor Trend to be 5.0 seconds (source below), and of course that number has been inching down every year.

High acceleration performance comes at the sacrifice of energy efficiency.

Another thing the i3 has going for it is skinnier tires, chosen to reduce wind resistance.

Comparing Cd (coefficient of drag), the Model S’s 0.24 is significantly better than the i3’s 0.29. Frontal area is roughly the same; the i3 has 25.6 ft^2 vs. the Model S’s 25.2 ft^2.

source:
http://www.motortrend.com/news/2013-motor-trend-car-of-the-year-tesla-model-s/

Part of the effiency is charging so if one vehicle has an effiecnet charger and the next one doesnt that will show up in the numbers…

“Compliance Appliance” *cough*

+1 Anon

A fugly appliance

It’s the best selling car in Norway last two months, over 700 sold so far in November. Population 5 mill.

The i3 is a nice car but it is also a screaming example of the inability of ICE car manufacturers to understand EVs. BMW has invested a lot of money to make the i3 lighter. They have also scrificed good looks and aerodynamics to save weight. And those decisions have turned out to be big mistakes. As demonstrated by Tesla –
1) Weight is not that important for EVs because of the recuperative braking.
2) Aerodynamics are actually quite importand. Especially if you want to fix the achilles heel of EVs – longer distances at highway speeds.
3) People still want cool looking cars. They don’t want to be labeled as eco oddballs just because they are driving an EV
4) Money is better spent on a larger battery, not on invisible and expensive technologies that don’t improove every day efficiency (carbon fiber chassis, bamboo interior …)
I don’t want to sound like a Tesla fanboy (which I am) but mr. Musk definitely puts a lot of thought in his cars. He certainly gets a lot of stuff right that other manufacturers don’t even notice.

Light weight and aerodynamics are very important. Unless batteries start to get significantly lighter for the over 200mi. range EVs, there will be a hard time trying to the get the price point down to compare with existing ICE offerings. GM had to shave quite a bit of weight off of the Bolt to get its MPGe numbers up to where it would be a market range and value leader. At least for the next 6-12 months until Tesla M3 or Nissan Leaf 2.0 put the heat on in 2018.

A smaller, lighter car has better efficiency than a bigger, heavier car. U don’t need to be a scientist to understand that.
The problem i, I3 is not much better than other EVs when u consider these details.
It’s efficiency comes from those skinny tires.
They make the huge difference.

A lighter car is more efficient. Not just fuel efficiency or mpge, real driving cost. Tire cost is a major expense. Tesla Model S and X have high tire costs. Also Model S is simply designed for US, and i3 for EU. Once BMW, VW improved their range their sales have been going up in Europe, while Tesla is going down.

Sorry but both of the comments above are wrong. You both display the same thinking as BMW. EVs are not the same as ICE cars. The most important efficiency figure for EVs is range. And a higher weight does not impact range that much. Take the IONIQ EV for example. It has a smaller battery than the updated i3 and it has better EPA ratings. That is mostly because of the bad aerodynamics of the i3. The electric motors have a lot of torque that can move a heavier car and the recuperation gives you back most the energy lost to accelerate a heavier car. The i3 is 10K more expensive than it would be without the carbon fiber. And those 10k have improoved range by 5-10% at the most.

The EPA numbers may be better for the Hyundai, but what about real world. Autocar recently found the i3 to be significantly more efficient than any of its current competition, not to mention much greater range.

http://bmwi.bimmerpost.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1325453

If this is a realistic comparison, BMW certainly has a bone to pick with the EPA estimates, but we’ll see when more people start actually taking delivery of the 33kwh i3, the Hyundai, new eGolf, etc.

It’s primarily a city car, not a long distance family car like tesla. Different solution for two different problems.

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Can you imagine 171 miles with an optional range extender? That would be a one-of-a-kind PHEV package.

I was thinking the same thing. It’s a shame they didn’t come to market with this range and REX option from the beginning. At north of $55K, IMO it should have had this EV range to begin with.

Where would they put 170 miles worth of batteries in 2014? A trailer?

And “North of $55k?”. The base price was $43k in the US, originally, and the absolute max one could spend was $55k with every single option.

Having owned an i3 for 2 years and a leaf previous to that I’d say that the range is not really the main issue with the i3 . The door design is just to clumsy and the narrow tires turn off lots of buyers. EV’s need to be great looking compelling cars that just happen to be electric powered. I wouldn’t buy another if it had 250 miles of range.

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Well of course BMW is going to increase the battery capacity, and the range, in next year’s i3. Did anyone seriously think they wouldn’t?

It would be good if when they’re redesigning the front end, they could improve the car’s drag coefficiency.

I question that only increasing the battery capacity by ~50% will allow the i3 to remain competitive, when the Bolt and the Model ≡ will have better than 200 miles on the EPA test cycle.

Of course, just about any BMW can find some buyers, and there will be some buyers who will prefer an i3 to a Bolt or a Model ≡ simply because it is a BMW. But I think a sub-200 mile range will leave the i3 in the second tier, “also-ran” sales category, behind the industry leaders in annual sales.

I LOVE the BMW brand! The i8 is AWESOME! The i3 is VERY UGLY! We currently own an X5 SAV and a 3 series sedan. My 19 year old son has a convertible Z3 roadster. Three BMW cars in our driveway. I would like to see BMW build electric cars, but beautiful cars not ugly ones. They could easily make the i3 look more like a more modern x3.

Aye, that’s the rub! When BMW can make such great-looking cars, why did they make such a toy of the i3???? Who wants to pay a premium for for such a Tonka? Not me. For about $10,000 less I went for a Volt. Time will tell if that was a mistake, but so far so good.

Eh, I have no insterest in a crossover, so I much prefer the i3 to an X3. Would an EV X3 sell better than the i3? In America, sure. But personally, I think crossovers are the worst of both worlds (cars, SUVs), so I personally prefer the weird i3.

Surprised at how daft this lot of EV enthusiasts can be. An electric car that started with a blank sheet of paper, that so many poo-poo because they personally find it “ugly” Go buy a factory converted ICE EV, made of steel and 20 year old legacy tech.

Yeah the range can be disappointing, as with most EVs. If you haven’t noticed, all manufacturers are slow walking range. At least BMW didn’t shove batteries in the trunk and go home early.

It’s a 50 state car that’s been on the market for years now. Let me know when you get your Bolt in Iowa. Meanwhile I’ll be waiting to see if Generous Motors only offers them as a lease, ala EV1.

Any of these cars is much cheaper and better than the BMW.

http://insideevs.com/here-are-5-all-new-electric-cars-from-chinese-automakers/

Troll-On !!

Kriesel can do a 70kwh pack in the same space using 18650s.

U think so?
I wouldn’t put my money on that!

And their pack will blow up in crash test. The Kreisel prototype pack provides zero cell protection.

Hopefully they bring AWD along with the refresh.

An actual Model 3 competitor.