Report: Porsche 717 Coming – 300+ Miles, AWD, 4 Door All-Electric Car

FEB 16 2015 BY JAY COLE 79

The Porsche 717 Reported To Be Developed on The Panamera MK2 Architecture - But More Compact, More 911-Like

The Porsche 717 Reported To Be Developed on The New Panamera MK2 Architecture – More Compact Than Today’s Panamera, Styled 911-Like

Porsche has long been reported as working on a project to take the plug-in world by storm. But how does a plug-in AWD sedan with up to 600 hp and more than 300 miles of range sound?

It sounds a lot like the Tesla Model S to us.

Reprt: New AWD, Electric Supercar Sedan From Porsche Arrives By 2019

Report: New AWD, Electric Supercar Sedan From Porsche Arrives By 2019

CAR reports that Volkswagen work on the MSB architecture, which is currently under development for the Panamera Mk2, currently also includes the Porsche 717 (provisionally names),  an all-electric supercar sedan.

CAR offers some specific details on the unconventional battery configuration found inside the car.

“Instead of a single, square-mattress-shaped energy cell which is relatively easy to cool and to connect, the battery arrangement proposed for the 717 looks more like a mountain range with the centre tunnel acting as peak ridge, with a pair of tall bulkhead walls and smaller agglomerations in the sills, the footwell and the overhangs. 

In total, a reported 108 battery pouches need to be accommodated by the body-in-white. All 717 models will feature 4wd, four-wheel torque vectoring and four-wheel steering. As a rule, there is one electric motor per axle which will either be steel-sprung or feature an electrically-controlled air suspension system. “

The Porsche Cayenne S e-Hybrid, Priced From $76,400 In The Us

The Porsche Cayenne S e-Hybrid, Priced From $76,400 In The US

Porsche Is Currently Building Out The Plug-In 918 Spyder

Porsche Is Currently Building Out The Plug-In 918 Spyder

According to “insiders” familiar with the project, the 717 will have three levels of “e-power stages”

  • 400hp
  • 500hp
  • 600hp

The Porsche lineup already features three plug-in vehicles in production today, the Panamera S e-Hybrid, the Cayenne S e-Hybrid and supercar 918 – so the company’s EV cred is well established.

The 717 is said to take design clues from the 911, but will be more compact than today’s Panamera, and will also feature a new inductive charge system.  The pure electric Porsche reportedly has a provisional release date of “early” 2019.

CAR Magazine, Hat tip to George R!

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Bring it Porsche! The more the merrier!

Legacy car companies crack me up. They still won’t respond with a Tesla-fighter until they actually see Teslas selling in numbers that threaten them.

This “news” is just more “we got a couple guys out back working on a Tesla-beater!”, garbage. Porsche? I’ll believe it when I see it. The car described in this fantasy tale sounds like $200,000+ limited-production nonsense. Plus, all the “might have”; “could do as much as-” jargon.

2019 and Tesla should have enough Model IIIs and X’s out the door to be working on a full-sized pickup truck and very close to 2nd gen Roadster. At this rate Porsche is indicating, their big deal may make them look like Johnny-Come-Latelys. Heck, Model S v.2 should be on the road by then.

Nailed it.

+1

And to add. this long range car too is probably based on some sort of fantasy miracle battery that does not really exist right now but is right around the corner.

+1

Very nice. Like the 4 motor concept. Their body styles are well suited to EVs, too.

What 4 motor concept? “There is one electric motor per axle”. Sounds like two motors to me.

The description implied the use of split axles, for the 4 wheel independent torque vectoring. *shrugs*

Maybe it will have four axles? 🙂

Actually Porsche has done better than the other ICE-age automakers by making attractive looking PHEVs, instead of weird-mobiles like the i3.

GSP

“The pure electric Porsche reportedly has a provisional release date of “early” 2019.” – Sheesh, not exactly right around the corner is it? The EV and PHEV space will likely look pretty different by then with PHEVs popping up all over the place.

Yeah by then, Tesla should have their hover-car on the market. 😉

I like it, they should definitely build it. But “release date of “early” 2019” will be putting a car built to fight the 2014 Tesla P85D on the road about the time Tesla will be about ready to revamp a 2nd generation of the Model S.

Porsche is aiming too low, and will find themselves quickly leap-frogged by the next generation of the Model S.

The Next-Gen Roadster will eat this for lunch, in addition to have thousands of logically placed, very fast charge stations all over the world.

That wireless charging will be the slow stuff (well under the current 9.6kW to 19.2kW typical for a current Model S in your garage.

Tesla will also have the robotic / automated charge cable that will be both faster and more efficient.

Check out the Mercedes “EcoLuxe”. Planned to be (drum roll)…. a 2012 Telsa Model S-85.

this sounds like it is going to be a fairly expensive car, or certainly not one that would be considered “affordable”.

Exactly. Everyone always likes to portray any new EV or plugin as a Tesla competitor.

This 717 sounds like a $150-200K 4 seat sports sedan with little to no luggage space. Interesting but very likely not a car that will be sold alongside the P85D.

Thumbs up.

I could car less about a company that wants to build a toy for the 1%ers.

For me, a big deal is a company that wants to change the world.

You indeed don’t get it.
Of course Porsche is a 1%-er company — they’re also notorious for profit margins considered obscene in the automotive industry.

The reason this is interesting is that they have an entirely different reason for developing EVs, including experimenting with BEVs: Pure performance.
Once/if they come out with a pure-BEV, it will help establish in the mainstream mindshare another justification for EVs.

Remember, a lot of people are wannabe sport-drivers, even if they can’t actually indulge in it for practical reasons. “Wow, so even Porsche had to go the EV route for performance”

Tesla has got everybody on the run… exactly what Musk wanted.

The major players are showing signs of seriously completing with, or at least attempting to preempt, the advantage Tesla might have (Bolt, etc.), and the performance brands have been (rightly) EMBARRASSED. The Model S has shown that, if they don’t quickly abandon their antiquated propulsion technologies, their brands will soon lose their luster, with cars that seem weak and feeble (not to mention unreliable and polluting).

I dont think Porsche is being embarrassed by Tesla. The model S cant even make it around the “Green Hell” without overheating the battery and shutting off… I havent seen and lap times from the P85D from Laguna seca or any other tracks… Is it because it handles like a wet noodle? Ive never drive a model S but it dosent seem like a true performance car. This Porsche sould like it will be the real deal.

Go drive one… only once!

Model S is a car for the real world, not the fictitious gas wasting track that no one drives in every day driving LOL

Laguna Seca is real.

The Model S also “can’t even” fly over unicorns.

You’re quite right, the Model S is NOT a track car. Luckily for Tesla, that is a very, very small market.

Agreed my cousin own a Formula 1 and Tesla will get smoked in Laguna Seca. Wait I owned a Porsche 911 and I haven’t race it ……… What a shame

I dont think Porsche is being embarrassed by Tesla. The model S cant even make it around the “Green Hell” without overheating the battery and shutting off… I havent seen and lap times from the P85D from Laguna seca or any other tracks… Is it because it handles like a wet noodle? Ive never drive a model S but it dosent seem like a true performance car. This Porsche sounds like it will be the real deal.

Sounds to me like you don’t know anything about the P85D or any of the Model S iterations, if you think they handle poorly

After one testdrive, chances are YOU will feel like a wet noodle! 😉

The thing i dont get is if the P85D is such a good preformer than how come it seems to suck at race tracks other then in a straight line? Lets see a fast time from Laguna Seca, and not just one lap but a string of 5-10 without having it cut out…

That’s a good point.

The compact electric packaging doesn’t seem to have enough cooling for race level output for long.

Would be nice to Tesla produce a version with race prepped cooling.

Duh! Any race driver will -destroy- your unprepared street car in minutes. And you expect some type of magical indestructibility out of the Model S?

Only one gear.

I don’t know about the “D” but the tests you’re reffering to were done with the single motor I think..

The Tesla is not built to race at high speed for a long period of time. We do not do that in real life. And the fact that there is no transmission, is like running your ICE car at a continuous 9000 RPM.

9000 RPM in an ICE is not “the same thing” as 9000 RPM in an electric motor.

The motor in a P85 turns 16,000 RPM at 130mph / 210kmh.

I don’t know if the new 155mph / 250kmh industry standard speed limited P85D is geared differently, or just spins the motor faster.

“is like” is not the same as “the same thing”
Maybe you misread? or what?!?

Who the **** cares about that? Are you serious right now? ROFL

Every car that exists is an embarrassment compared to the Model S

You ever notice Pagani, Lamborghini, Ferrari or Porsche come out with some uber-over-the-top mega-super-million-dollar, 200+ supercar and soon thereafter we see some lunatic with more money than brain cells drives one into a ditch or wraps it around a light pole? Each guy who maligns a Model S because it can’t circle the Nurburgring or beat a race car around a track sounds like a complete idiot. Electric cars originally were resurrected from oblivion to allow gasoline-free motivation. Some EV pioneers proved battery-powered cars could even be faster than expensive performance cars in some cases and in all cases, much quicker to speed. Now we have loons barking that a Porsche is a better purchase because it goes around a track faster. Listen, how many times do we all get to the track? Model S and even Tesla Roadster are road cars with blinding performance. They’ll kill or maim just as effectively if you drive like a baboon on public roads. If this guy, Patrick on today’s posts, whining about how a Model S is not a track car – perhaps he should say that – and not bemoan the Tesla because it’s a car you use to get wherever… Read more »

Im not just implying that the P85D isn’t a track car. Its not even a very good performance street car. It has unreal acceleration but the rest of the package for performance driving isnt there.

Heres some test data from Motor Trend-

2015 Tesla P85D-
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 113 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 0.91 g (avg)

2014 Porsche Panamera 4S
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 99 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.05 g (avg)

2015 Corvette Z06
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 91 ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.17 g (avg)

2015 Nissan GTR Nismo
BRAKING, 60-0 MPH 97ft
LATERAL ACCELERATION 1.03 g (avg)

All im saying is there will be people that will spend more on a Porsche 4 door awd EV because it will be a better overall performance car than the Model S.

Thats it.

To be honest the Tesla’s poor braking and poor lateral grip might be almost dangerous considering its rapid acceleration.

Maybe Tesla should have stuck with the 85D and improved its braking/handling rather than just made it a drag car.

If you want an electric race car, check out formula e racing cars.

.91 lateral g is “poor”, “unsafe”?

Keep fetching. It sounds like you are hung upon some pretty dumb standards, for a street car. For safety, tell us where Porsche puts the weight again?

Your list including cars for 2 people, no even a bag of groceries can be fit inside, Tesla will beat all of then with 5 adults and the dog inside, I just checked the formula E and beat your favs hands down.

Every review of the Tesla Roadster and the Model S raves about the performance, the stability, and the road-hugging handling of the cars. “patrick” must be a Tesla basher. Neither is designed to be a racetrack car. On the other hand, there is -one- street-legal place where every Porsche made within at the past half-century, at least, will outperform the Model S: On Germany’s Autobahn. The Roadster and the Model S are designed to run on American highways, where the top legal speed seldom if ever exceeds 75 MPH, and even a speed demon is unlikely to exceed 90 MPH for long distances. One of the first reviews of the Roadster had somebody driving it at top speed down the Autobahn. The motor overheated after just a few minutes. More recent tests of the Model S show it overheats and automatically reduces power when run at top speed on a racetrack for just a few minutes… altho the claim in one post here that the car “shuts down” simply isn’t true. Perhaps someday, Tesla will build a car to be driven on racetracks and in the unlimited speed lanes of the Autobahn. Until it does, Porsche will continue to beat… Read more »

Can’t remember the time exactly but a Model S did manage to get around one lap. The time wasn’t impressive at all.

But it doesn’t actually matter. How many times will someone will floor it under any conditions? Likely never. It’s just marketing to allow people to think they have a hot car. Same for all the luxury brands. If you took the logo off the car no one would buy it. The 0-60 times are just Tesla’s hook.

It’s like a do-gooder that pontificates about the effect of a drug but has not and would never actually try that drug 🙂

+1

“A battery arrangement like a mountain range” … sounds like a boondoggle to me.

With battery cells spread out all over the car how do they do cooling?

Obviously this is intended to use battery cells that don’t require liquid cooling. But what about heating for cold weather operation?

The more you look at the idea of distributing the battery pack in bits and pieces around the car, the worse the idea looks.

Sounds to me like one more EV I can’t afford.

Battery costs should be significantly lower by 2019…

Just an aside, that golden gate bridge perspective in the third photo is from the Oakland hills, one of the richest places in the bay area.

Is Porsche saying something about their customers?

Funny… the Bay Bridge must have sunk into the bay.

I expect at least 100 kWh. Because porsche CEO said that he doesn’t want to produce a EV-porsche if you can’t drive at least a 400km drive in a sporty way. I assume you need around 40 kW for driving around 160km/h (100mph), which i consider as driving sporty. So you need 2.5 hours for 400km, and this leads to 2.5h*40kW = 100kWh.

I think the hilly battery design is due to more battery than in the Model S and because the batterydensitiy in the porsche will be a little bit less than in the S. I hope the Model S has also 100-120 kWH when the 717 get released. So the P120D and the 717 will be very likely to each other. Can’t wait to see topgear. 🙂

+1

This is very much in line also with my predictions. Porsche will come into EV business but they are still waiting. They claim that tech is not yet there, but actually technology is already proven but markets are just not yet ready.

How many will they make?

My guess is that around in 2020-2023 about 60 % of all Porsches sold are all electric.

Tesla currently has no competition in the high-end sedan ev market. Soon they will have none in the high-end SUV ev market. So maybe years from now they will have. It’s the tortoise and the hare. All Tesla need do is not fall asleep.

having that battery serviced sounds like it would be an absolute nightmare

Yes, it’s an absurd idea to have a battery pack distributed to numerous points around the car, in various nooks and crannies. Servicing or, worse, replacing the battery pack would be a nightmare: labor intensive, expensive, and lengthy.

No way that design will ever be mass produced, and I have my doubts about even a prototype.

Porsche is still waiting the fast charging infrastructure to be placed. But they (and their parent company VW) does not want to take initiative on building fast charging infrastructure.

Of course Tesla is disrupting things already and like I said, Tesla’s goal was to accelerate the EV revolution by about one decade. It was inevitable that EV revolution will happen, but someone like Tesla had to make the initiative to make it happen sooner rather than later.

Like Elon has so many times elaborated that eventually all transportation will be all electric (excluding spaceships that rely on Newton’s third law).

Nissan-Renault have done way more for actual mass-market EVs since 2011 than Tesla.

Until Tesla finally delivers the fabled Model 3, it’s all talk while making rich man toys (Model S and X both have ASPs around $100k, the X likely higher).

PS: And will see if Tesla keeps its base price promise of $35k for the Model 3, otherwise it will again not be a car for the masses.

I agree about Renault/Nissan doing as much or more than Tesla.. Tesla gets the splashy headlines and Nissan keeps delivering with the affordable, useful, super economical, plugs into any home without major mods, LEAF.

The Renault EVs aren’t half bad either from what I hear.

So where do you quick charge a 100kwh pack without Tesla’s superchargers?
At a ccs 50kw unit you are sitting for 2 hours?

No mfr will compete without supercharger access .

No mfr will make the investment in a competitive supercharger like system.

I guess all the people at Porsche and VW aren’t stupid. They will have 100-150kW chargers ready once they launch cars with larger batteries by the end of the decade, like most other car manufacturers.

It’s not rocket science, but it doesn’t make sense to install them in 2015 for current VW cars with smaller batteries, 22-50kW is good enough. These chargers are also cheaper and can be installed in more places.

For example, Chademo has a few 100kW chargers, the time improvements for smaller batteries is quite small:

http://insideevs.com/kia-installs-first-100-kw-chademo-dc-fast-chargers-europe/

“100kW compared to the more common 50 kW brings charging time of Kia Soul EV from empty to 80% from 33 to 25 minutes. Battery pack is 27 kWh.”

Just 8 minutes faster.

Yes, a small battery car (sub-30kWh) does not gain much with a 200 amp charger.

A large battery car does, because it can hold 200 amps for a large percentage of the total charge time.

tftf, you do understand that the Kia Soul EV’s battery doesn’t have high enough voltage to charge at 100 kW off of that CHAdeMO EVSE. They installed the Signet HB100K-DUAL, which can nominally charge at 100 kW, but in reality, it is 5 x 40A (200A total) at 500V. No car presently can take the 500V – most charge at 400V, so in reality, it is a 80kW EVSE for existing vehicles.

As Mr. Williams said, the taper curve for a small battery like the Soul EV means very little time charging at 3C, so therefore there is little reduction in the charge time.

” the taper curve for a small battery like the Soul EV means very little time charging at 3C, so therefore there is little reduction in the charge time.”

That’s exactly what intended to write above.

It will make sense to install these chargers shortly before cars with larger batteries come to market, not before.

I’ll skip most of the points mentioned and go to what I feel is the most important one for very large sales:

PRICE.

IF Porsche charges $200 – 300,000 for this vehicle, there will be precious few who can purchase this vehicle, and therefore Tesla has nothing to be concerned about.

electric-car-insider.com

For a long time I didn’t understand the 918. To be honest, every time I thought about it, it kind of put me on tilt.

But after talking to Dr Frank Walliser, the 918 project manager, I came away with a much better understanding of the use of a $865k car. Porsche feels compelled to set a very high bar for performance. The highest bar. Even if it’s a car that very few people will every drive, the esteem is very valuable for the brand. And the challenge is very helpful to get outstanding results from the engineering team and the entire organization.

Climbing Mt Everest is not very practical either. But we respect those who do it. Especially the first time. Because the rest of us are sitting in easy chairs.

Porsche will deliver electric cars. But first, they must be a Porsche.

ROTFLMAO. The whole “But first, they must be a Porsche” line is complete marketing BS. Embarrassing actually. By chasing the market for anything that will sell — hence monster sedans and SUVs — Porsche has insured it doesn’t stand for anything in particular.

Have you ever driven a Cayenne? What makes that a Porsche? The horrible automatic transmission or its soft, roll prone, sluggish handling?

Hmmmmm……. 2019 is four years out. That’s about a cycle, which means the project has just started or hasn’t yet started.

I’d assume they have a battery supplier and believe the pack design will work.

Tesla can’t compete until it can produce volume. They are forcing people to rethink but they aren’t a threat to mass market. Not yet. Only to the high-end.

Huh? Tesla built 35,000 cars at $100,000+ a piece in 2014.

In 2015 they plan to build 55,000.
In this price range that’s BIG Volume.

For Toyota high end cars are providing about half of ALL profits that Toyota is generating. Therefore Tesla is not entering into small market niche. 55 000 cars is already sizeable market share and it is expanding rapidly. Tesla could have in 2020 about 10 % market share on luxury car markets. This would make Tesla perhaps one of the most valuable car companies. Around the par with BMW.

It is interesting the attitudes people about EVs that are not enthusiuasts. It is the same attitude that surfaces if you tell someone you are a vegitarian. The claws come out and they feel the need to tell you why it is such a bad idea. Yeah – I am biased – but be real. There isn’t anything out there close to what Tesla has pulled off with the p85d. It is not a track car. It is a luxury sedan and it kick but on any other luxury sedan out there. I know that is a hard pill to swallow for all the ICE guys out there but it is the truth. When Tesla choses to build another performance track ready car – it will kick butt on the Porches but they have not chosen to do that yet. Its apples and oranges guys. The p85d is the best apple out there and nothing at this point comes close.

One electric motor per wheel? Pouch batteries distributed in various nooks and crannies in the car, instead of being installed in a single battery pack?

This isn’t a design for a real EV, it’s just a pie-in-the-sky idea on paper.

I’ve reached the end of this list and I don’t think anyone has mentioned the risk to the driver of being surrounded by batteries when he crashes and the car is mangled. What a nightmare for rescuers: did cutting this orange cable remove all the voltage??? Wait a minute, there’s another orange cable under this bit of mangled steel, and look, the steel has cut into the insulation. Is moving the mangled steel going to electrify this whole mess? Hang in there, sir, while we figure this out.