Renault Head of Research: “By 2020 the Range of an EV Like the Zoe Will Double to Around 250 Miles”

DEC 2 2013 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 15

By 2020, Zoe EV Could Have 250 Miles of Range

By 2020, Zoe EV Could Have 250 Miles of Range

Renault is once again hinting that it may be working on a plug-in hybrid vehicle to compliments its existing lineup of pure EVs.

In Black, Range Could Jump to 251 Miles

In Black, Range Could Jump to 251 Miles

The plug-in hybrid portion of this story is the same as it was some 2 months ago when Renault first mentioned the possibility of doing a PHEV, so we don’t go into it in detail.  The only change this time around is that Renault will likely unveil a Clio-sized prototype PHEV at the upcoming 2014 Geneva Motor Show, according to Auto Express.  Still, we don’t expect a production Renault PHEV to appear before 2020 or so, despite what some reports may say.

So, let’s move on to what else Renault is working on, which as you’ll see is far more interesting and will likely spell the end of that PHEV before it even gets the production nod.

Renault head of research, advanced studies and materials, Remi Bastien, told Auto Express this:

“…by 2020 the range of an EV like the Zoe will double to around 250 miles.”

With a 250-mile EV (at a reduced cost, which is one of the other EV targets mentioned by Bastien) Renault will have no need for a PHEV.  At least that’s how we see it.  Do you agree?

Source: Auto Express

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15 Comments on "Renault Head of Research: “By 2020 the Range of an EV Like the Zoe Will Double to Around 250 Miles”"

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Rick

So Tesla will be 500 miles…. Time to sell ICEs

marco loglio

250 miles are already very possible to do today with the current battery technology. The problem is that the cost of the battery pack is high. Then the idea of Renault to lease the pack should avoid the impact of the cost of the battery over the cost of the car. So i don’t understand why Renault is not making now larger battery pack for a car like Zoe, a 50 kw/h pack should be easy to fit into this car.
The other way is to create a small generator on board , like on the BMW i3, with an addition of few thousand dollars it could be possible to extend the range without any limitation. Also this is technically not difficult to do ..
For an EV without range anxiety we no have to wait till 2020.

Priusmaniac

Yes, I also don’t understand why Renault stubbornly refuses to make the presently obvious choice which is to add a rex like bmw. They could put it in easily if they consider a micro sized 15 KW wankel unit. By the way, even at 250 miles, that is still too short a range to go on vacation. A Prius can go 400 real life miles so an ev should be able to do 400 miles as well not a mere 250. The only way, at present, to achieve 400 miles range with an ev, other than blowing the budget sealing Tesla way, is to add a rex. The plug-in hybrid way like the Pip is not feasible either because a complete double motorization makes it too expensive as well. So the decision is actually extremely simple, to make a truly affordable ev don’t put a too big battery or a dual motorisation like in a plug-in hybrid, but go the EREV way by adding a rex to a decent size battery.

I think a major question is if Nissan will change the number of plates and coating thickness on their next jump in kwh.
We saw in this article that it would be a modest change that could be accomplished with LMO chemistry.

Nissan makes their own CELLS as far as I know. This gives them an advantage over GM that subs’ em out to LG.

http://insideevs.com/argonne-computer-model-and-the-implications-for-the-3rd-generation-tesla/

Dan Frederiksen

Try aero and light weighting, numbskulls. You could easily have that range today.

Rob

I do not. I would not dare to go for skiing into the middle of British Columbia driving Tesla or any other EV for that matter. Thanks, I will wait for Outlander PHEV.

It’s a matter of how much that reduced cost will be. Very few people would want or need a range extender with 250 mile EV range, especially if a reasonable quick charge network is available. (it’s not something I’d want to add to the Model S). But if only ~5% of the trips would use the ICE the operating cost and environmental issues become fairly minor, as many Chevy Volt drivers have found. If a driver’s requirements include 250 mile or better range, and the cost of the ICE is significantly less than 1/2 to 2/3 the cost of that 250 mile, 80 kWh battery, a lot of people will reasonably opt for the REx. BMW prices the i3’s REx at $3,850. Until the price of a ~53kWh battery (2/3 of 80kWh) falls to something pretty close to that cost, the REx is a much more practical option for someone who really needs or wants the range. I believe that ultimately, batteries really will be that cheap ($73kWh would put it on parity with the i3’s REx). But it’s probably 3rd generation so that puts it at about 2020. Although all three of my freeway-capable EVs are BEVs, and it’s… Read more »

I will prefer a cheaper EV with only 200 km range over a more expensive one with 400 km. It’s just not worth to pay much more for using the higher range two or three times per year.

Francis L

I guess the future is to give consumers the choice of the battery size they want. There are a lot of consumers with lots of different needs and different budgets. A cheap EV with a small battery makes a lot of sense for somebody looking for a car to go to work. But it doesn’t for someone looking for a car to travel. Those who won’t be able to charge at home will probably needs bigger battery too.

Eventually, when batteries will be very cheap, I guess we won’t see small batteries as we do now. But we will need a real breakthrough for that.

Brian

I would personally go for one of each. My wife and I go our different ways during the week, but we never both go farther than the range of the Leaf. So a Leaf / Model S would suit us perfectly (if only I could afford the latter).

““By 2020 the Range of an EV Like the Zoe Will Double to Around 250 Miles”
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I didn’t know the current Zoe had a 125 mile range 😛

Ben

I don’t believe it does, especially in your climate.

Surya

Well, it is achieveable. You’ll have to do some serious hypermiling though 🙂

GSP

A 250 mile EV, with DC fast charging, and 10-43 kW 3-phase AC charging in Europe, will not require a range extender. This leaves space for passengers and luggage, and eliminates engine maintence. I just did my first oil change on my ” EV” (Volt), and would not mind skipping this chore.

An adequate network of DC fast chargers will be required however. Automakers and governments need to take the lead on this, since a lot more EVs will be needed to make setting up DC fast chargers a viable stand alone business.

GSP

The plug in hybrid to be shown at the Geneva Auto Show in 2014 in on a fast track. Sales of pure EVs are way below expectations, and Renault has to get a revenue generator to market as quickly as possible.

But more than anything, it’s the ‘rental only and forever/revenue generator’ concept with the battery pack that keeps consumers away from Renault’s current EVs. This will be resolved with the plug-in hybrid model that a consumer can actually own outright.

So I expect to see the Renault plug-in hybrid in 2015, along with the same for Nissan after that. Who just launched the Pathfinder Hybrid, with an Altima hybrid to come.

Also, doubling the entry level Zoe range by 2020 will be more like 160 EV miles instead of the current 80.