Refreshed Tesla Model S Timed Just Right?

JUN 21 2016 BY TESLAMONDO 29

Newly Designed Model S

Newly Designed Model S

GOOD TIMING FOR NEW-LOOK MODEL S

Converting Model 3 reservations into Model S sales requires a powerful lure. The Model S price range is higher despite a possible overlap, and the Model S is an “old” design. Wouldn’t you rather have the freshest Tesla?

Well, the Model S has a new face to keep things fresh. And in this case, it lends interest even to the base model. Low-end Teslas and top-drawer Teslas look pretty much the same. There’s no AMG or M sub-species. Tesla embraces communism .

Quick, can you ID the Model S below? How old is it? How powerful is it? How expensive is/was it? You have no freakin’ idea? Exactly.

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So, does the new Model S face nudge you just enough to abandon your spot in line for a Model 3, even though the latter might leapfrog the former in ways unknown? This is a rhetorical question. TeslaMondo does not expect an answer from any of its seven or eight readers.

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Tesla has said that the Model S/X will always have the best Tesla has to offer, so if Model 3 is revealed to have some nice new feature not already present on the S/X, it’ll come to S/X first, most likely.

I know that Tesla can probably walk and chew gum at the same time, but dang it!, stop screwing with the Models S & X and get the dang Model 3 out to us!!!!!!!!!

There is no “old” Model S. For one, in this ADHD-addled world, we tire of things as fast as we eagerly embraced them. An iPhone 4 or 4S made about the time the first Model S rolled out the door is so passe that handing one down to our 7 year-old, we’re seen by many as being a cheapskate. Model S is still fresh in that even after a few years there is nothing, no nothing that even comes close to it’s long-range, accessible, paid-for Supercharging and woweee quickness using zero gas. While the oldest of the “old” Model S aren’t upgradable to Autopilot, and the seats aren’t as good as the new cars – they’re still far ahead of even the best S-Classe or 7 Series ( And sell more/yr ) for 2016. Name another car that depreciates slower that is sold to the mass market. Tesla upgrades the car while it sits in your garage! So it’s got a new nose – big deal! I drove a v.2 Volt yesterday, and it was impressive. Smooth, silent, solid and quick to 30mph + fun to play with it’s adj. regen paddle. For $$30-33,000 after tax break, a Volt or… Read more »

No old model????

“While the oldest of the “old” Model S aren’t upgradable to Autopilot, and the seats aren’t as good as the new cars..”

You just said it.

Just look at used Tesla Model S.

2013 and earlier – cheap, due to pre-Autopilot and early production (see CR, Edmunds, forums) issues.

Anyways, back to article, the refresh look alone is not tempting enough but the Model S 60kWh might be. Tax credits guaranteed. So probably $56K nets you a new Tesla Model S. Much better vehicle.

I just handed my old iPhone 4S to a 10-year old… Thanks James!

Here’s to not waiting in line for anything, especially for driving electric!

Life’s too short to drive a crappy car.

That really stung, though it’s probably true. I drive an ’89 Toyota.

Well, or, life’s too short to be obsessing about what car you’re driving. As long as it’s electric :-).

Prefer the looks of the OG Model S

TM , ….

Do you know how Tesla will manage the battery if the model s is bought as a 60kwh car …and the option to upgrade to 75 kWh is never utilized?

I.e. Will my 60 kWh usable degrade at the same rate as the entire 75kwh pack?

…add,

Or will Tesla continue to allow me 60 kWh as long as there is 60 kWh useable still left in the original 75 kWh pack?

If only Tesla had a policy of unlocking the remaining capacity for free after 7 years for all cars…or some policy like it. Couldn’t hurt sales.

Carcus asked:

“Will my 60 kWh usable degrade at the same rate as the entire 75kwh pack?”

I think it’s possible to answer that definitively.

Li-ion battery packs must be balanced when charging and discharging; that’s what a BMS (Battery Management System) is for. If one li-ion cell gets seriously out of balance (significantly higher/lower voltage) as compared to its neighbors, then that leads to premature aging of the entire pack, and also the entire pack being limited to the capacity of the cells which are out of balance.

So, Tesla must have engineered the electronically limited packs to cycle all the cells in the pack, not just most of them… not just 60/75 of them.

Bottom line, all else being equal: a new Model S60 should retain its capacity better than an S75, because it will be using less DoD (Depth of Discharge). Shallower cycling means longer battery life.

I’m fairly confident in this, so I believe this is fact, not mere opinion.

Thanks, I understand that.

My question is … What will tesla let me utilize as the pack ages? A full 60 kWh ? Or will they apply some programming that says ” the total pack has degraded 7%, therefore you will have use of 93% of what you originally purchased”. (I.e. .93 x 60 = 55.8 kWh)

You will never charge the battery to 100%, so you cannot degrade it as quickly. To me, it is almost the same thing. When you have 100% capacity available to you, you only use 80% of it, unless you REALLY need it, because it will degrade your battery. When you Supercharge, you stop charging at an absolute MAXIMUM at 80%, because the charging rate slows way down and its not worth your time. So, I only use 80% or less of my battery 99% of the time. Why pay for anymore than you use? 75 kWh x 80% = 60 kWh. If you pay for the 75, you are basically wasting your money (IMHO).

Yes. I understand that. I agree …..

IF
IF
IF….

IF Tesla allows you to access 60kwh as long as it’s available…. THAT’S what I’m asking.

Nobody seems to have an answer.

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Is there anything stopping Tesla from pulling those extra 15 Kwh’s of cells at a future routine service visit?
If some cells go bad during the warranty period but the pack still retains 60kwh useable …will they replace any cells?

What does the fine print read?
Nervous minds want to know….

It’s tough to sell the MS to a prospective MIII buyer when even the “new” S60 costs nearly double what the MIII is promised to cost, with no perceivable benefit save size (and a liftgate, if you even consider that a benefit).

1. Better highway ride (size)
2. Longer lasting battery (60 kWh version)
3. Quicker supercharges (60 kWh version)
4. Supercharging free for life
5. Less risk (not a brand new model)
6. Status bump (if you’re into that)
7. Dashboard setup/ interior likely better in the s

Supercharging and autopilot will not be in the base model, so double the cost it will not be.

I still consider the Model S 60 weekly. I didn’t reserve a M3 because I don’t see the point. The MX reservations proved that you get rewarded for placing your deposit by either getting line jumped by California customers or getting a beta car. My original plan was to replace our Volt with a Bolt and the purchase an M3 in ’18.

I like the new look S, but I think a loaded M3 is probably more compelling than a base S.

I recently got A p85 used 2013 love love it 2 car is a leaf it’s ok but in 2 maybe 1 years I’ll be shopping for another model S if I can’t get a good deal it will be a model 3

communism? With a company that produces cars valuing above $100k… LMFAO!!!

Hahahahaha! Plus one….

While the nose is the obvious visual, it is the overall value quotient of the new 60 that is what makes it compelling. You can buy the 60 and if you decide you need more capacity later, you can upgrade to the 75. You can get autopilot (now or later) and you get all the safety featues, LED lights, console, and a bunch of other features standard. What you don’t get is all out range and performance. Still…not bad.

um, I believe that Tesla is a 2012 P85 with the 21″ wheels, panoramic roof. No autopilot or parking sensors.
Depending on mileage the current value is around $60k (~90k new).

What are the giveaways?
Well the old style performance spoiler, lack of autopilot, 21″ wheels do help, but the main reason is I think I see the word “signature” engraved on the indicator right behind the front wheel. Does it also have the old style fog lights that were discontinued early 2013?

Anyway, I’m not sure why a bunch of Model # reservation holders don’t go out and buy a used 60kwh or S85… they are in the $40k-$50k range and can take a family on a roadtrip. They should last well being aluminium. It won’t suit all model 3 buyers… but should work for many.

I agree that’s what I did

I wonder if they have improved the soundproofing and the seats in the newer Model S. I rode in a Model S taxi in Amsterdam and it seemed really loud in the back, and the seat squeaked every time we took even a slight turn. I got out thinking I much prefer my e-Golf, save for the range and occasionally the extra space on a trip.

In a (my) perfect world, customers would have the ability to choose either the original nose, or the refreshed version.

But my name isn’t Elon Musk.

Indeed. I prefer the look of the nosecone to this “refreshed” Model S.

Does that make me impossibly old-fashioned? 😉

But of course Tesla isn’t gonna offer last year’s body style as an option. No auto maker offers that to new car buyers.