QUANTiNO Headed To 2015 Geneva Motor Show

FEB 20 2015 BY MARK KANE 20

QUANTiNO

QUANTiNO

nanoFlowcell announced that besides the new Quant F, the automaker will present at the Geneva Motor Show its QUANTiNO concept car.

It will be a smaller car than the F, 2+2-seater on large 22-inch wheels, equipped with the same type of drivetrain but a low-voltage version – 48 V.

As there are four 25 kW motors (100 kW total), nanoFlowcell seems to have no problems with supplying over 2,000 Amp.

The range is rated 1,000 km or over 600 miles!

Top speed is 200 km/h (124 mph).

Prof. Jens Ellermann, President of the Board of Directors of nanoFlowcell AG stated:

“This car is a sensation and will be one of the absolute highlights at the 2015 Geneva International Motor Show.”

Nunzio La Vecchia, Chief Technical Officer at nanoFlowcell AG commented:

“With the QUANTiNO we present the smaller brother of the QUANT E and the QUANT F in Geneva. An innovative electric vehicle with mass appeal. Sporty, dynamic, and above all with a low-voltage drive system. With a rated voltage of only 48 V we achieve four times 25 kW, corresponding to around 136 hp, through a combination of  nanoFlowcell®, buffer system and electric motors. This set-up provides us with a top speed of over 200 kilometres an hour in all-electric mode and a range of over 1,000 kilometres, without any harmful emissions.”

“The QUANTiNO is an electric vehicle for everyone. Affordable and featuring an extravagant, unique design. It is not just a concept vehicle – it will become reality in the course of this year. We will be driving the QUANTiNO in 2015. And we aim to attain approval for road use very quickly.”

More description:

 “Vast ranges for the QUANTiNO with nanoFlowcell®

The innovative drive concept comprising low-voltage system and nanoFlowcell® provides the QUANTiNO with a range of over 1,000 km. “Low-voltage systems are an ideal match for the nanoFlowcell®. They enable us to generate levels of drive power that previously appeared impossible. And we are only at the beginning of our development work. The initial tests and simulations already indicate far greater potential. This concept represents a real alternative for the electric mobility of the future, with outstanding drive power and vast ranges,” says La Vecchia.

With its two 175-litre tanks, the QUANTiNO is able to carry 350 litres of ionic liquid in total – one tank with a positive charge and one with a negative charge. The refuelling process is similar to the procedure which is customary today, the sole difference being that two tanks are filled simultaneously, each with a different fluid.

2+2-seater with 22-inch wheels

Measuring 3.91 metres in length, the QUANTiNO is a 2+2-seater boasting a unique design. A striking detail is the 22-inch wheels. “As the small brother of the QUANT E and the QUANT F, we wanted to emphasize the fact that the QUANTiNO belongs to the QUANT family. Both the front and rear end clearly demonstrate this kinship. In particular, the large 22-inch wheels which the QUANTiNO has adopted from its big brothers in the QUANT family set it apart in its class in terms of appearance,” notes Chief Technical Officer Nunzio La Vecchia.

Low-voltage systems – background and advantages

To date, low-voltage drives have featured primarily on vehicles with very low drive outputs (< 5kW), such as golf carts, e-scooters or light-duty motor vehicles such as four-wheel vehicles with relatively low drive outputs (< 20kW) for urban use. “To our knowledge, a low-voltage drive system has never been deployed before in a larger passenger car, such as is now being demonstrated on board of the QUANTiNO. The required drive output always restricted the spectrum of useful applications for a low-voltage system. This is all changing now with the nanoFlowcell®. Very high currents are required for the levels of drive output typically needed by vehicles. This necessitates exceptionally large cable cross-sections and increased transmission losses with high-voltage systems. With the nanoFlowcell® we have been able to solve this problem. Here we generate very high currents at a very low rated voltage which are perfect for the purposes of the low-voltage system,” explains Chief Technical Officer Nunzio La Vecchia.

“Low-voltage systems offer various advantages over high-voltage systems, such as are used in electric vehicles today. While high-voltage electric vehicles require complete contact and flashover protection, this is not needed for low-voltage vehicles. In accordance with ECE-R 100, no additional measures to prevent accidental contact are necessary for low-voltage systems. This also gives rise to much faster homologation of low-voltage vehicles, as functional safety is more simple to realise,” explains Nunzio La Vecchia.

“Low-voltage systems are an ideal match for our nanoFlowcell®. By combining the two, we can exploit substantial range potential and advantages for our electric vehicles,” notes nanoFlowcell AG’s Chief Technical Officer.”

Categories: General

Tags: ,

Leave a Reply

20 Comments on "QUANTiNO Headed To 2015 Geneva Motor Show"

newest oldest most voted

“This is all changing now with the nanoFlowcell®. Very high currents are required for the levels of drive output typically needed by vehicles. This necessitates exceptionally large cable cross-sections and increased transmission losses with high-voltage systems. With the nanoFlowcell® we have been able to solve this problem. Here we generate very high currents at a very low rated voltage which are perfect for the purposes of the low-voltage system,”

Is there some kind of logic that I’m not getting here?? It really sounds like these guys couldn’t figure out how to meet all the safety requirements for normal 300-600V systems, so they’re retroactively trying to justify their cop out. The advantage of low voltage is that… you need MASSIVE cables, but at least you don’t need to worry about high voltage isolation, cause that’s hard to do!

All that to say that, while I was initially willing to give these guys the benefit of the doubt and keep an open mind until they actually demonstrate something, I am now very skeptical of the claims they’ve been making.

So this is about 6.5 mpg of ionic fluid. How do you replace/recharge this stuff? Many more questions than answers.

…at present, it might be easyer to electrically charge like any electrical car than to refuel. I’m quite sure that chemical cleanliness for a ionic liquid is more crucial than some impurities in gasoline…

Hmm, design sketches are eye catching.

I am a little confused on the system though. 92 gallons of storage for the nanoFlowcell seems like it would take up a ton of space.

Also, I am no EE, but low voltage + high current = larger diameter copper, but less shielding. I would think there would be more power cable weight in this than a 400V 100 kW system. Shielding is light, copper is not.

“Ionic Fluid”… sounds like some techno-babble from Star Trek

A ionic liquid is a pure salte (without water) which is made of positive and negative ions (like NaCl table salt), but which is liquid below 100 °C , favorably it should be liquid at all possible operational temperatures (or it would need to be heated to not freeze).

767 lbs of it.

Maybe the frame is conductive and will be used to drive the current of 500 Amps to each wheel… One more breathtaking invention.
Actually, the idea sounds tempting, using ionic liquids (wich are something completely different to aqueous liquids!), maybe even using the ions as electrochemically active species instead of solving them in the ionic liquid, that would be really cool and could lead to high specific energy densities (i.e. higher then LiFePO batteries. I would not mind to much about refueling the ionic liquid, as this type of system can as well be electrically charged as a Tesla.

I thought I had read somewhere when they announced the E Sportlimosine that it would be able to be charged electrically as well as swapping out spent fluids. They are road testing the E now.

…exactly my thought…

electric-car-insider.com

~500 lbs of liquid. Will be really interesting to see what the cargo space and passenger comfort is like.

Nice looking car.

…instead of carrying Tesla type batteries, not a whole lot of a difference, if similar energy densities can be reached…

I am interested to know what the cost would be to convert a gas station to an ionic liquid station. This could turn out to be a better overall investment than trying to build up a hydrogen infrastructure for fuel cell cars.

The big question would be if the tanks in the ground could be cleaned/conditioned to hold and not contaminate the ionic fluid. A fuelling station like this could operate really cheaply. Solar to charge as much as they could during the day and low rate electricity at night. They can probably even work out deals with local power companies to take their bulk electricity at extremely reduced rates.
This same model could work in your garage on a much smaller scale.
Very cool… if it actually works and the fluid isn’t more expensive than gold.

so range is better than a Tesla and weight of “battery” is the same? i want to know the price oft this car… 🙂

Nunzio La Vecchia, Chief Technical Officer at nanoFlowcell AG:

http://mediacenter.nanoflowcell.com/de/mediacenter/fotos/detail/5-nunzio-la-vecchia/

One picture tells the whole story.

Why not say it has a 10,000 mile range, or more accurately, that it will never need to be refueled. How do rich people get suckered, over and over, into supporting ridiculous vaporware projects like this? Granted, they hired an excellent designer, but their claims are outrageous.

Yeah, energy density may actually be sub 100 wh/kg. That would probably rule out anything over 200mi range and nearlya 1,000lb “battery” including storage hardware:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flow_battery