Production Ends For Toyota RAV4 EV – Few Hundred Remain To Be Sold

SEP 27 2014 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 35

Tesla's Influence Can Clearly Be Seen In The Toyota RAV4 EV

Tesla’s Influence Can Clearly Be Seen In The Toyota RAV4 EV

That’s all folks.

All 2,600 Toyota RAV4 EVs have now been produced and shipped out, with the last batch arriving in by train in California just this month..

Officially, we see 2,533 RAV4 EVs in circulation somewhere, with the remaining 67 believed to be crushed test EVs, display vehicles for Toyota, crash-test vehicles and so on.

Now that all 2,600 RAV4 EVs have been produced and shipped, the Toyota-Tesla deal has been officially fulfilled.  Toyota will now exit the pure electric vehicle game (‘cept for those few remaining Scion iQ EVs headed to fleets).

While all 2,600 are in the pipeline somewhere, not all have been sold yet.  Our tally through the end of August put total RAV4 EV sales at 2,130, meaning that 470 remained to be sold.  But not all 470 will be sold, as some have been crushed, while others are part of Toyota’s captive fleet.  We suspect that fewer than 300 remain to be sold/leased to the public.  Last volume sales of the RAV4 EV will likely occur in October, with the odd few here and there being sold until the full supply is entirely depleted.

So, if you’re yearning for a RAV4 EV, then you’d better act now.  Wait any longer and you’ll be out of luck forever.

Hat tip to Dianne Whitmire and Tony Williams!

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35 Comments on "Production Ends For Toyota RAV4 EV – Few Hundred Remain To Be Sold"

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Big Solar

Can you buy them or are they lease only? Can they be registered in other states or just CA?

Micke Larsson

I wonder the same. I just assume that they will be crushed after 2-3 years when the leases are up.

I hope they stay on the roads for 10-20 years. And if not then I hope california change their compliance rules to make sure they stay on the roads.

william edwards

Someone in Austin, TX has their hands on 2013 used RAV4 EVs. They still have the white CA sticker attached and CA plates. $40k and low mileage.

Tony Williams

The price of used Rav4 EV will go up now that supply has ended. Nobody is going to make a Compact Utility Vehicle with as much capability as Rav4 EV at a $50k or below price point for some time.

Maybe Tesla with a Model 3 version of a CUV, but I predict well past 2020 for that, plus I predict it will be more $$$.

JRMW

It’s *not* the same but the Mitsubishi Outlander will fill the RAV4 void next year.

I doubt many non Californians will buy a RAV4. Where could you get it serviced? A local Nissan or Tesla dealership?
Heck, I’d even worry about getting it serviced in California given Toyota’s hostility towards EVs and their unwillingness to sell the RAV4 in the first place.

Vin

If you’re in California, you can buy or lease the RAV4 EV. But it’s much cheaper to lease because of the $16500 lease incentive. After leasing for three years and then paying the residual at lease end, the RAV4 EV can be had for less than $39K. Buy it outright and then waiting for the fed tax credit will require about $44K. That’s how the math worked out for me, so I leased mine. After the $2500 CAVRP rebate, the RAV4 EV can be had for about $36K.

Here’s my analysis:

http://ev-vin.blogspot.com/2014/06/apples-and-oranges.html

David Murray

because these are such low production, I would have serious concerns about buying one for the long term. Replacement parts will probably be difficult to find and expensive. To be honest, this is one of the primary reasons I’m turned off from buying a Focus Electric in its current form.

George Bower

I agree on that.
Kind of sad really because the original Rav4 EV’s that were very much a part of the early movement are still on the road also.

I would assume that Toyota will have to still provide service and parts.

Tony Williams

Most of the parts are volume production Tesla parts. The battery cells and pack is unique, as would be the gateway / communication module.

The motor / inverter / reduction gear box / differential is the exact same one in a Tesla Model S.

Honestly, as long as Tesla stays in business, most parts will be plentiful.

Warren M

Does the new Mercedes B class have similar components?

Tony Williams

Yes.

Scott Franco

Yes, because I so want to get a car that is being discontinued….

Anon

That makes it an instant Collectors Item…

Scott Franco

I don’t drive collectors items.

Big Solar

I like the car and would lease one for 3 years but I live in Florida. Just wondering if it can be registered here…???

Rob Stark

They can be registered outside CA but there is no dealer support. Dealer training and equipment at select CA dealerships only.

My guess is Tesla would service the drivetrain part and non-drivetrain could be handled by any Toyota dealership. Others vigorously disagree.

Tony Williams

No, Tesla will NOT service the drivetrain outside of a Toyota agreement, any more than Borg Warner will warranty and service the U-joints… or any other vender of parts for the car.

Assaf

ok… so round 2 is over for the RAV4 EV.

Time to place your bets on when Toyota returns for round 3 🙂

George Bower

You took the words out of my mouth

Tony Williams
Round three is the hydrogen car, which I predict will take Toyota into 2020 to 2025 for California Air Resources Board – Zero Emission Vehicle (CARB-ZEV) compliance. The state of California is funding 68 hydrogen stations. The 900,000 cars that Toyota sold in California for three model years, 2012-2014, multiplied by 0.79% equals 7110 credits for CARB-ZEV that need to be earned, and each Rav4 EV is 3 credits IF THE CAR IS SOLD IN CALIFORNIA and registered for three years. So, 7110 credits total required divided by 3 credits for each Rav4 EV = 2370 minimum ZEV cars over all three model years, 2012-2014. Toyota built about 2600 Rav4 EV’s, however a number of those were sold out-of-state until Toyota formally stopped dealers from continuing that in October 2013. Toyota backed it up by harassing out-of-state dealers and owners for warranty and service reimbursements, which they continue to this day. For model year 2015 and beyond, Toyota will use a hydrogen car for CARB-ZEV compliance at 9 credits per car. That means they only have to sell 790 cars over the three model years, 2015-2017. That’s only 263 cars per year. Also, after 2017, when other manufacturers are required… Read more »
Scott Franco

Toyota is betting the ZEV mandate turns into an expensive boondoggle, and they are helping to make that come about. I don’t believe for a second that they think FCVs have a chance to replace cars in our lifetime. They want to stall and satisfy CARB until it all goes away.

Tony Williams
The CARB-ZEV mandate went away quite famously in 2000-2003, after the auto makers sued and CARB backed down and every major auto manufacturer electric car program stopped immediately. I don’t think that will happen this time, but they will keep watering it down. The hydrogen game is just that, with super credit to produce (9 credits each, a recent change) and exemption from the Traveling Provision, so they only have to sell in California. http://www.globalautomakers.org/sites/default/files/document/attachments/JointCommentsCAWaiverRequest10-19-12.pdf “It is highly unlikely that the required infrastructure and the level of consumer demand for ZEVs will be sufficient by MY2018 in either California or in the individual Section 177 States to support the ZEV sales requirements mandated by CARB. EPA should therefore deny, at the present time, California’s waiver request for the ZEV program for these model years. During the interim, Global Automakers and the Alliance believe that California and EPA, with full auto industry participation, should implement a review for the ZEV program similar to the mid-term review process adopted under the federal GHG and CAFE regulations for MYs2017 through 2025.” That’s a whole lot of gobbledy goop to say, “keep the traveling provision so we can only sell cars in California at… Read more »
JRMW

Which is why I hope that ZERO Toyota FCVs sell.
We all must shame Toyota out of their bad behavior.
They must lose big bucks and be forced to buy credits on the open market.
Californians need to change the CARB law that gives 3 credits per car and get the state to stop subsidizing stations.
EV enthusiasts must dissuade all their friends from buying an FCV

I’m sorry to have to go this way.
but Toyota is obviously not working in good faith here.

And I know my plan hurts FCV enthusiast’s feelings, but FCV really is a poor alternative to EV and PHEV and REX technology for passenger vehicles.

It may have applications in business and freight and air and train. But not passenger vehicles.

Steve

Why in the world did CARB decide to grant 9 credits for a hydrogen car? Were they pressured to by Toyota and Honda? If it were less than 9, like the same 3 credits as for EVs, we might be seeing more EV choices instead of hydrogen cars that few (if any) people seem to want. (BTW, I love my RAV4-EV!)

Tony Williams

This chart isn’t completely accurate, because CARB dropped the “fast refueling” that Tesla enjoyed for battery swapping, plus a few other changes this spring of 2014:

Type V – 300+ miles range “hydrogen” – Credit per vehicle: 9 (2015-2017 only)
Type V – 300+ miles range “fast refueling” – Credit per vehicle: 7
Type IV – 200+ miles range “fast refueling” – Credit per vehicle: 5
Type III – 100+ miles range “fast refueling” – Credit per vehicle: 4
Type III – 200+ miles range ————– Credit per vehicle: 4
Type II – 100+ miles range ————— Credit per vehicle: 3
Type I.5 – 75-100 miles range ———– Credit per vehicle: 2.5
Type I – 50-75 miles range ————— Credit per vehicle: 2

After 2017, the credits for Type III, IV and V drop to 3

QCO

Good riddance to a compliance car from a cynical auto maker.

No matter how good it is as a vehicle, buying one makes you a sucker to their anti-EV CARB workaround plan, especially in an age where we now have good alternatives from committed EV automakers.

Vin

We now have good alternatives to the RAV4 EV? Wow, I want to hear this one. Tell us how you performed the trade study. Did you consider cargo capacity, passenger space, performance, and out-the-door price? ICE vehicles don’t count, I’m assuming you did your trade against BEVs.

QCO

Well, if having an SUV shaped vehicle right now is that much more important to you than having any existing EV, then buying an efficient ICE like a CX-5 would be better for the world than actively helping Toyota thumb their noses at the CARB EV initiative.

Besides, your emphasis points suggest you are more of a mainstream buyer than an early EV adopter, so you will definitely be unhappy when the RAV 4 turns into an unsupported orphan.

Don’t be the sucker that Toyota wants you to be!

Vin

Too late! I have a RAV4 EV, Focus Electric, and a Volt. Having a good amount of cargo capacity in one of our vehicles is very important, we use the full extent of the RAV4 EV’s carrying capacity every Saturday. If not for the RAV4 EV, we’d still be burning $200/mo on gas with a 16mpg Honda Pilot.

I don’t base my car purchases on making senseless political statements. It all comes down to dollars and cents. And the RAV4 EV is making a whole lot of sense in that respect.

Kubel
Screw Toyota. And screw government for trying to pick the winner instead of letting the market choose the superior technology- which I firmly believe is and will be battery electric. I’m willing to keep an open mind for hydrogen fuel cells, but everything I’ve seen suggests hydrogen is not viable and borders on fraud- fueled by the lobbying of an oil industry struggling to diversify amidst the unfortunate reality of peaking oil reserves. Hydrogen is an attempt by the oil industry at rebooting gasoline. Just like the early days of gasoline, it’s a byproduct of many industrial processes- and just like gasoline, the future demand (assuming it’s successful) would outpace the capacity of byproduction and would require massive investment in a dedicated high volume industry. But forget production issues. Forget issues surrounding the cost and longevity of fuel cells. Just look at the efficiency. You have to produce, store, pump, and transport this ‘energy carrier’. It’s like using disposable batteries for electric cars. It’s taking a step backwards, not forwards. Even if you can get the cost down low enough, the amount of energy that is involved with Hydrogen as an energy carrier is absurd- and I have seen no… Read more »
jmac
Toyota spent 15 years trying to build up sales of their hybrid line up and finally in 2012 and 2013 they managed to sell over 1 million hybrids in each of those years. Toyota knows that plug in hybrids and pure BEV are the next step but they want to suck every last dime from their hybrids before actually facing the reality that standard hybrid technology is a thing of the past. Plug in hybrids and pure BEV might just eat Toyota’s lunch and Toyota knows it and is busy publishing anti-BEV ads. Look, ……Why should someone buy a Prius when they can buy an EREV or pure BEV that will give them 100 mpg equivalent ? Toyota is fighting a loosing battle here, but because worldwide sales of Toyota hybrids have finally gotten to a respectable level after 15 plus years and because Toyota dominates the hybrid market, Toyota refuses to move on. Hybrids have become something of a cash cow for Toyota and they don’t want to give them up after all these years, when they are just now finally making TMC some serious money. Toyota doesn’t want to build electric plug-ins or BEV because they know it… Read more »
Tony Williams

No auto maker wants to introduce a product that takes customers from it’s existing product line… they want to get “conquest” sales from buyers of other makes.

QCO

That’s what Henry Ford said when he stubbornly hung on to the Model T in the late twenties whilst others moved on with new technology. Ford had to scramble to catch up with a late-to-market Model A.

It was a huge help to GM’s growing market share at the time, so much so that they passed Ford’s market share and never looked back (until the bankruptcy anyway).

Armand

Hideous vehicle….at the very least they could have redesigned the damned thing prior to putting in a Tesla powertrain.

DRUBEK (drew.beck)

I live in Vancouver, Washington and own a 2012 Rav4 EV. BEST crossover sized electric on the streets. Nothing can compete with the space. And TESLA internals, AWESOME! I plan to drive this car for the next 20 years. I will upgrade batteries in 5 years which will at least double my already 100 mile range. Bought 18 months ago. Car continues to turn heads and impress. I own an extended warranty I can use to cover repairs at any shop once the Toyota Warranty expires. The warranty expired last month on all parts minus the Tesla running parts. 28,000 miles on this 2012 car. Been driving past gas stations for a year and a half. Feels great, and can beat most cars at the light. 🙂