Porsche’s First 350-kW Charging Station Now Ready In Germany, 2nd To Be Installed In Atlanta

4 months ago by Mark Kane 69

First 350 kW DC CCS combo fast chargers at Porsche Berlin-Adlershof (source: FB/Elektroauto im Alltag)

The Porsche center in Berlin-Adlershof, Germany is the first place in the world to get 350 kW DC CCS Combo fast chargers installed for the upcoming Porsche Mission E cars, which heads into production in 2019 (at a build rate of 20,000 per annum).

HUBER+SUHNER liquid cooled connector, good for 400 A and 1000 V (source: Elektroauto im Alltag)

The site is also equipped with two AC charging spots and two DC, that still are apparently awaiting official certification for use.

The units have HUBER+SUHNER liquid cooled cable and connector, good for 400 A and 1000 V (see image).

The chargers themselves are developed by Porsche Engineering, and supplies up to 800 V.

The charging power is to be up to 350 kW, but the chargers should be able to charge older, lower-power EVs – like the 50 kW standard chargers of today.

German news Electrive (in German) stated that a second such station is under construction at the company’s US HQ in Atlanta.

First 350 kW DC CCS combo fast chargers at Porsche Berlin-Adlershof (source: Elektroauto im Alltag)

First 350 kW DC CCS combo fast chargers at Porsche Berlin-Adlershof (source: Elektroauto im Alltag)

source: Elektroauto im Alltag, electrive.net

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69 responses to "Porsche’s First 350-kW Charging Station Now Ready In Germany, 2nd To Be Installed In Atlanta"

  1. Francois says:

    Beautiful design

    1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

      Beautiful Design ?? Absolutely No engineering THOUGHT Or prowess went into this Novice design . There is No Practicality in this very Shabby and Shoddy Design at Best..With the Cables unprotected and completely Exposed to the Elements which will certainly deteriorate them in time & Shorten their life span while Posing danger to the user as this occurs……………UNLIKE THE TESLA SUPERCHARGERS THAT ARE PROTECTED INSIDE THEIR VERY OWN HOUSING..

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Good grief, take a stress tab and chill out!

        It’s definitely a beautiful, sleek design. Tesla Superchargers also leave their charging cables exposed to the elements, contrary to your rant, altho one certainly sees that Superchargers provide somewhat better protection to the cable when it’s not in use.

        1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

          I disagree.Tesla does show to a minute degree but is housed within to a Degree. This thing the Cable Is sticking up out and in the air fully exposed to all elements Like a SOLAR CELL would be or more so, It’s Bad Designing,Bad taste,A BIG DIFFERENCE* Also That Black & Grey/white Color is Drab & Unattractive and Covert..It’s A Bad Design Choice …PERIOD!

          1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

            Good Grief Charlie Brown !….. lol…

          2. Will says:

            well i think it looks nice. so that’s 2 vs 1 so far. Stop trying to make your s***** opinion sound like fact. The cables are protected by THEIR OWN HOUSING.

            Oh and why Are you Randomly putting Capital Letters at the Start of Words mid-sentence When they Don’t Need it?

          3. Mo says:

            Porsche’s looks kind of cheap, or rather unfinished. They could have polished it up a lot in the looks and finish dept.

      2. Peter says:

        Taste is difficult to discuss Benz more classy and Tesla more happy ?

        The cable is a bit more exposed on top but the cover of the cable is outdoor proof and should last for decades.

        Anyway the power is monitored on both and releases with a handshake so security is very high for users.

        Technically the shorter cable is better due to resistance and will keep cooler bet Benz has solved this by liquid cooling so the cable length should be no problem for the Benz charger.
        ( Tesla tested liquid cooling the cable some years ago and the results were good so next gen. chargers from Tesla will also probably have that feature ).

      3. Terawatt says:

        I’m actually unsure if you are a troll or a r******, but I’m guessing the former, or maybe both. Tesla’s superchargers are outclassed here, design-wise as well as in terms of raw power. The arm from which the cable emerges means the heavy cable hangs from a point higher up and closer to the vehicle than on TSC. Protection from the elements is simply a joke here; protection from vandalism might be a problem, but both designs are equally vulnerable. The same must be said for copper thievery, although I think that can also count as a special form of vandalism…

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          Yes, there is a reasonable case to be made that the higher anchoring point on the Porsche charger makes it easier to use than a Supercharger, altho as has been pointed out, the longer cable means more resistance and thus lower efficiency.

          * * * * *

          Re “La Frennia di Mamata”: The pointless rant coupled with excessive and semi-random misuse of Capitalization and ALL CAPS suggests this is just “EV nut” under yet another of his many, many screen names.

          That dude really does need to get his meds adjusted.

      4. John Ray says:

        The Teslarati will find any reason to criticize other manufacturers – witness!

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          “Oh come, sir, I think you picked a poor example!” — Col. Pickering, “My Fair Lady”

  2. Tosho says:

    Now they just have to build another 900 to catch up to the Supercharger network 🙂

    1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

      Good to know! When I drive my model 3 to Germany I won’t hesitate to utilize it. …lol…who cares…. we’re in North America how does this affect us? Let’s Talk CAN/USA

      1. Davek says:

        Right on, dude. Cause no one reads this site outside of North America.

        Except me. And probably a bunch of other people. Like Mark Kane.

        That said, in your defence, I will say that I don’t live near Berlin, so this station isn’t likely to be much use to me. I wonder why they’d put it there instead of on a highway where someone might actually use it. I guess this one is basically just a gimmick demonstrator.

        1. Jay Cole says:

          Just as a point of interest. While yes, ~2/3rds of InsideEVs unique readership is from North America, that remaining balance is not insignificant.

          Below are our demos for individual readers this month outside of the US and Canada, just for some context.

          The vast, vast majority of readers will never comment…even less will comment if English is not their first language, or EVs are newer to their region, or they aren’t very confident in “EV speak”. So, the scope/volume of IEV’s reach can be a bit deceptive…but there are lots (and lots) of people interested in what is happening in the non-US (100s of thousands each month), which is why we do our best to cover the global scene, and have people working on the team that are not US-based.

          1. Brandon says:

            Interesting. Thanks for sharing Jay!!

            1. Jay Cole says:

              No problem, the Internet is a weird place, it’s hard to judge things strictly by what is happening in the comments, or on the site itself.

              And while we like to say we are the largest global site dedicated to solely covering plug-in vehicles…that meant something very different, in terms of scale, 5 years ago compared to today.

              1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

                I Promise to utilize when I take my model 3 to Germany.. It’s a very nice system & I Like It !

          2. Davek says:

            Thanks Jay! This is EXACTLY the post that I was hoping one of you would put up 🙂

        2. John Ray says:

          I happen to live in Atlanta, drive an EV and own a Porsche, so it seems pretty relevant.

      2. Mikael says:

        We are in North America? *lol*…

        By the way, what about the other 21 countries in North America?

        1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

          How terrible that InsideEVs doesn’t give equal coverage to the EV market in such countries as Dominica and Saint Kitts. 🙄

          Hey, those would be very short articles! 😉

          1. Jay Cole says:

            Just for fun: We have some readership demos from this month on those two…but probably not enough people checking what is happening with EVs just yet to warrant any features, (= Saint Kitts moving up the charts at country #170!

            1. Kdawg says:

              That’s just the Russians using proxy servers 😀

            2. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

              Thank you, Jay!

              And no offense to those living on small islands, in the Caribbean or elsewhere. Your interest in weaning the world off burning fossil fuels is as great as anyone else’s, even if your auto market is small.

              Ent it?

      3. R.S says:

        I think I missed the announcement, that Atlanta detached from the North American continent…

      4. wavelet says:

        Who’s “we”? This is a global site,with half the readership from outside the US.

  3. Brandon says:

    Wow… the first 350 kW fast charger to be installed.. at least that I’ve seen pictures of and that’s been publicly announced.

    1. Mikael says:

      A mere 350 kW…? Here in Sweden we have a 11,2 MW charging station.

      1. Lawrence says:

        Sweden now needs to wait for a car to be invented that can use a 11.2MW charging station.

        1. Mikael says:

          We will have to wait for that… until then it will be used by a BEV ferry. 😛

          1. Brandon says:

            Ok ok… the FIRST HPFC for EVs. How bout that!?

            1. Mikael says:

              hyper power fast charger?

        2. Gasbag says:

          Doc Brown has a Delorean that can take 9 times that

  4. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Hmm… 800V system. That is really interesting to see how well it works in the real life.

    800V is very serious business here.

    1. Lawrence says:

      Medium voltage starts at 1kV, so technically it’s still low voltage.

      1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

        Perhaps in your country that’s true.

        In the U.S., “high voltage” is anything above 600 volts.

        1. Bill Howland says:

          Nope.

    2. Tech01x says:

      Likely the 800 volt part of the system is just for blowing smoke. Think about the charging c-rate that the battery would have to tolerate for > 160 kW charging. If they do utilize 800 volts, they won’t utilize the 400 amps. To tolerate 350 kW, their pack would have to handle more than 3C charging. That’s not likely for 2019, at least not without significant life cycle degradation.

      The Bolt’s pack is aggressively tapered below 0.7C by 53% SOC. That doesn’t bode well for the c-rate capabilities for high energy automotive LG NMC cells.

      1. ClarksonCote says:

        The voltage of any station, when charging a car, is limited to the voltage of the battery pack.

        So whether it’s 400V or 40,000V, it doesn’t really matter for today’s EVs.

    3. AGordon says:

      Porsche has been winning the World Endurance Championships for the past 2 years with 800 volts, so I think it’s working pretty darn good!

  5. mustang_sallad says:

    Making these stations compatible with older vehicles is the easy part (station just needs to be able to put out a lower voltage). The question is whether the new cars at 800V will have some way of making use of legacy stations that typically only go up to around 400V.

    1. Davek says:

      Yeah, I’ve wondered about this myself and hope that someone here can give a good answer. Do 800V cars need to schlepp a f*&#-off big DC-DC converter around the whole time (kind of negating the point of DCFC), or are they just SOL, stuck with 6kW single phase AC like the rest of us po’ folk?

      1. Bill Howland says:

        If you don’t like 6 kw, and your household wiring can handle it, BOSCH makes a 25 kw CCS fast charger that will run on anything from 170 to 305 volts single phase, so its good for any 200, 208, 230, 240, or 277 volt line – supposedly for only $8495.

        If 25 kw is a bit more than you’d like it is software limitable to 10-25 kw. Typically draws about 120 amperes single-phase at the fastest setting.

        (Software wise the unit will also do Chademo, but they don’t provide the extra cable and jack as standard).

        1. unlucky says:

          That’s not what he asked.

      2. unlucky says:

        I don’t think anyone knows right now.

        I don’t get why having to carry a converter would ruin the point of DCFC. It still would be faster than AC.

        If I had to guess I would say that I expect these cars will be designed with a pack configuration where there are two parts of the pack, A and B. The A and B will be placed in series in normal use and during 800V charging, making an 800V pack. When connected to a 400V charger it will reconfigure the packs in parallel, thus charging (slower) off a 400V charger.

        But that’s just a guess. It’s possible they would DC-DC convert instead. And it’s possible (but I think less likely) that it wouldn’t work at all on a 400V charger.

        1. vdiv says:

          I think that’s right, and I think the car will run on parallel mode 400V.

          1. vdiv says:

            Or maybe never connect them in parallel as that would require carefully balancing the voltage, just use one half for the front motor, the other half for the rear.

            1. unlucky says:

              You’re right, you maybe couldn’t put them both in parallel. But the car could at least charge one than the other. Have it charge A at 400V for 5 minutes, then switch to B and charge it at 400V for 5 minutes, repeat until done. It wouldn’t even make the charge time worse.

    2. Kdawg says:

      We’ll need a new word besides “ICEing” when an old EV takes a spot w/a 350kW charger he can’t use.

  6. an_outsider says:

    So, an EV with a 350Vcc nominal voltage battery feed a 400A capable DCFC turns it into a 140kW DCFC max.

    Sure,the BCM would dictate the DCFC how much Amps/Voltage it can delivers to the EV plugged in…

    1. an_outsider says:

      .. feed by a 400A …

  7. Pjwood1 says:

    That’s only 1065 miles from me!

    1. vdiv says:

      Well, if you start from an elevated point, overinflate the tires, run well below the speed limit, and forgo climate control… 😀

  8. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    Glad to see that somebody has deployed a DCFC station that is planning ahead to the next generation of plug-in EVs.

    Now, if they can just install another 1000 of them in a planned network to cover the continent… 🙂

  9. jim stack says:

    Nice chargers but where’s the car?
    Mission Impossible E.

    1. vdiv says:

      Think many of the electric buses run on 750-800V DC systems. Most metro/subway systems do as well.

    2. AGordon says:

      Where’s the car you say jim stack? Ever heard of the Porsche 919? It’s been around for the past three years.

  10. Martin Winlow says:

    I am completely flummoxed over this news.

    The Mission E is still only a concept with cars years away – if they actually ever transpire (and even if they do you can bet they’ll have a $1m+ price tag).

    Meanwhile, without the usual 3-way charging options that the vast majority of existing European rapid chargers offer (CCS, CHAdeMO and 43kW AC) they can be used for… what, exactly?

    So, BMW are still just playing with EVs, boasting, if you like, “Look what we can do, peasants!” but then not actually committing to a truly viable and practical product that anyone can buy. Bah! They are taking us for fools, just like VW.

    1. Terawatt says:

      I’m might be ready and willing to enter into a bet with you right now that the Mission E will get a price tag below a million dollars!

      Granted, the number of obscenely rich individuals is much higher than it used to be with the continued concentration of wealth that’s going on, but I still don’t they’d plan 20 000 cars per year at that price, or, conversely, that people who pay this much for a car don’t demand it be more exclusive.

      1. John Ray says:

        Reportedly it will start below the Panamera. I want.

  11. Some Guy says:

    Also noteworthy: Until the payment system is activated later this year, charging s FREE (for every car that can plug in, also non Porsche EVs)
    Downside: Station will not be accessible 24/7, apparently, only during opening hours of the dealership.
    Also, public access is not possible until this fall at all.

  12. Bill Howland says:

    Whether one considers the final connection cable a good design or not, the majority of the equipment is elsewhere, as shown in the other photo.

  13. Kdawg says:

    That’s some serious liquid cooling. They even liquid cooled the whole parking lot.

  14. Daytongarmin says:

    Happy to see Porche planning a 100% increase in their charging network. If they can pull that kind of growth off year after year they will be ready for 2019.

  15. David S. says:

    To output 350kW @ 800V it would need 437.5A, but the cable is rated only to 400A. Therefore it’s “only” capable of 320kW.

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