Porsche Officially Says No To Plug-In Hybrid 911

4 months ago by Eric Loveday 26

Porsche 911 Carrera GTS –

There will be no pure electric Porsche 911 in the near future and no plug-in hybrid version either.

That’s the news from Porsche brass who told Car And Driver that the automaker ditched plans for a pure electric Porsche some time back and revealed that development of a plug-in hybrid 911 was fully halted last year.

Porsche 911

Car And Driver states:

“Porsche was set to put a plug-in-hybrid version of the next-gen 911 sports car into series production, but we’ve learned the project was killed a while ago—last year, in fact, according to August Achleitner, head of 718 and 911 development.”

The reason for abandoning a PHEV 911 is said to be that it would’ve resulted in too many compromises to carry the 911 badge.

“…the plug-in hybrid would have been several hundred pounds heavier than a regular 911, which likely would have severe consequences for its dynamic capabilities, and it also would have been so expensive to make that Porsche would not be able to match the profit margin of other versions of the 911.”

States Car & Driver.

Normally, we’d argue against this line of thinking, but the 911 is a rare machine. It’s very light for a modern day car and that’s really what makes it so unique. Adding even a couple hundred pounds of weight wouldn’t work for the 911; and 911 buyers have a fairly unique mindset to begin with.

Porsche has several PHEVs on the market  today (and will build ~20,000 all-electric Mission Es in 2019, before adding in an all-electric Macan Macan thereafter from its Zuffenhausen plant), and plans for about 50% of its sales to be all-electric by 2023.   So, clearly the automaker more than supports plug-in technology when it’s appropriate. However, in the case of the 911, it’s not.

Achleitner concluded:

“In the end, the disadvantages outweighed the advantages.”

Source: Car & Driver

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26 responses to "Porsche Officially Says No To Plug-In Hybrid 911"

  1. Nix says:

    That’s fine. Even a century after horse and buggy’s started being replaced by cars, people still own horses for pleasure riding. There will continue to be ICE cars for some time. And there is nothing wrong with that.

    Meanwhile, there will be superior EV sports cars that are developed that will make ICE sports cars a niche product.

    There is no reason to have a scorched earth attitude towards every single ICE car, just because we all want to see EV’s succeed and dominate.

    1. Dan B. says:

      Hat tip to you sir.

    2. La Frennia di Mamata says:

      Just like the old windup/selfwinde watches some people like them and still think they are kool. But.., They don’t pollute/affect the air we breath, so that fine.

    3. Bogdan says:

      The ICE cars will be towed on a trailer around the country, just like we do with horses today.

  2. mx says:

    We’ll see what the BMW i3 Sport does to it’s market share, along with the Tesla 3. :^)

    EV’s, with their quick response, walk all over ICE.
    It’s a different world.

  3. JR says:

    Well, there will always be a market for Classic cars 🙂
    They has already been beaten by Tesla and Lusid, if they have nothing to show then don’t!

  4. Chris O says:

    Great to hear that this classic steampunk extravaganza will stay true to itself. Well, until emissions mandates plus advances in autonomous driving catch up with it of course.

    1. La Frennia di Mamata says:

      Putting off the inevitable.

  5. pjwood1 says:

    I see what’s fundamental, but have been around Porsche too long not to see the elephants:

    -3,600 pound 911 turbos
    -The “compromise” 911 rear weight has always been
    -3,400 pound AWD 911’s, that will keep those heavy front mechanicals/drive shaft/difs. Heck, they’re cheaper.
    -If you aren’t making all 911s lighter than the Volt, with 18KWh, you aren’t making an effective argument. You’re a thousand away from the Miata.

    Remember. You get what Porsche pays for. Now, go out there and help them with their margins. I’d be more kind if BS weren’t so heavy.

  6. John Ray says:

    I get where Porsche is coming from, but as a Porsche owner and enthusiast, I somewhat disagree. I do agree that an all electric 911 isn’t necessary and, at least a this juncture, wouldn’t really be a 911. That’s the Mission E’s job. However, adding in some hybrid technology from the Le mans winning 919 hybrid would make perfect sense as this would add performance. Porsche had no problem adding a turbo to the 911 in the early 70’s and turbos have always weighed more than their NA counterparts, so what’s the difference.

    1. Vexar says:

      I think the difference was clear: multiple hundreds of pounds means it won’t handle like a 911. They also mentioned cost and profitability. I think what that boils down to is Tesla spent a billion dollars to develop the first Model S, and Porsche doesn’t have a billion dollars to develop an electrification of one of their existing models. Hyundai can make multiple flavors of the Ioniq, but Porsche can’t hold onto their brand by working as cheaply as Hyundai has.

      The sadness I see in this news is that Porsche will develop the Mission E, but it is not going to be replacing their ICE lines. I feel like they are between nostalgia and cost constraints. Perhaps the plan is to let VW go all-in with electrics, and see how that works out for them, first.

      1. pjwood1 says:

        I dunno, Vexar. Porsche working expensively doesn’t mean you get an expensive car.

        RE: Product. After more foot dragging, a separate Mission E is something I’d be fine with. The 928 was to replace the 911, and they’ve been here before. There is no “New Coke”. I bet the engineers want to beat the EP9, but that car required resignations to get done.

        With power train, what the consumer gets and what the top of VW/Porsche/Audi are capable of have never been further apart, IMO. There’s a lot of stuff on the shelf, and VW Group is a bean counting Death Star.

      2. John Ray says:

        The 911 has been caught between nostalgia and other constraints throughout it’s existence. The 928 was supposed to replace it, but nostalgia won. But, in 1999 nostalgia lost when they introduced water cooling.

        I think they could integrate some hybrid tech pretty easily as they have been working on it for years. Again, adding turbos significantly affected the weight and handling such that they had to go to the widebody with bigger wheels/tires, brakes, suspension components, etc., but that didn’t stop them because it won’t races. Heck, it might help balance the car if the battery is closer to the front.

        I wouldn’t be surprised if they change course on this one in due time – especially if the GTLM or other GT classes begin pushing hybrid tech.

  7. CLIVE says:

    It will maybe come to the Boxster Cayman line fist.

    Porsche has 3 prototype Boxsters.

    2 rear wheel drive 1 all wheel drive.

  8. Lawrence says:

    Not that surprising since the 911 is always fighting physics with its engine so far aft. The weight of the hybrid drivetrain could throw things off. Better to start a whole new model trickling down technology from the 918, which is a hybrid performance car.

  9. Ocean Railroader says:

    We once had a 1980’s 944 Porsche and it was the worst money pit in creation that someone could own.

    The car had so many parts break and go bad on it and it was a car you had to check the weather forecast to avoid driving in the rain in it.

    Tesla’s going to rip Porsche apart like a snapping turtle.

    1. John Ray says:

      Heh, heh. I just drove my ’87 944 from Atlanta to Orlando and back. I will admit, it’s not the most maintenance free car I’ve ever owned (that would be my Leaf), but it isn’t that bad. It is possibly the best handling car I’ve ever owned. I sold my ’87 911 in September and while it was faster, it was nowhere near as comfortable and didn’t handle nearly as well. 944s still feel very modern.

      1. CLIVE says:

        Nine 44’s are grand.

  10. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

    “There will be no pure electric Porsche 911 in the near future and no plug-in hybrid version either.”

    That might be a good thing. Compelling EVs are built from the ground up. If it will result in a car which Porsche will actually promote and will sell well, then far better for the company to design a new and compelling PEV (Plug-in EV), rather than a compromise made by shoehorning an EV powertrain into an existing gasmobile body, and having it sell poorly.

    1. CLIVE says:

      On the boxster put the battery in the same place the mid mounted engine was using the same mounts that hold the engine giving them a pre crash test body that they could use with out having to start from scratch and the car is perfect to begin with.

  11. JBA says:

    From the pictures so far it does not appear that the Mission E body configuration will vary all that much from the 911. So once that car hits the streets then the customer response will probably determine the future of the 911 even if it simply the Project E automobile.

    1. Mr. M says:

      Project e will cost double the price of a basic 911. that is sure. Two cars with that much price difference can not be the same.

      1. Bogdan says:

        If it costs double, they will sell zero units. Model S is cheaper than a 911.
        And Mission E ist like Model S size and performance.

  12. John Ray says:

    I’ve never bought a new Porsche as I am not a dentist. That said, the Mission E might be when I finaly get a car payment that’s the same size as my mortgage payment.

    1. CLIVE says:

      Did not know you had to be a Dentist to buy one.

  13. Martin T. says:

    Modern Porsche is no longer a Porsche when they started building / putting their name on VW SUV’s and building body styles that no longer reflect Porsche’s true style. It’s like the brand has forgotten its past and now there are other better EV’s that can beet it and out drive it in the hands of mere mortals. Porsche is fasting becoming yesterdays nostalgia brand for people with way to much money and way too little driving skills. Overpriced German engineering delivering very little value except crazy service bills.

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