Porsche Mission E Video Reveals Tesla-Like Skateboard Design

DEC 22 2015 BY MARK KANE 37

The Porsche Concept Study Mission E shows up as world premiere at the IAA 2015

The Porsche Concept Study Mission E shows up as world premiere at the IAA 2015

As we know, the Porsche Mission E concept will enter the production stage in the next several years, so it’s time to double check what’s hiding inside.

One of the videos clearly shows design similar to Tesla Model S, with a skateboard-like battery pack and two motors – one on each axle.

Well, the battery isn’t flat all the way like in the case of Tesla – there are breaks for legs for those sitting in the back.

Overall, the pack looks like it’s assembled from about 10 battery modules.

440 kW of peak power from two motors should be enough to accelerate from 0-100 km (62 mph) in under 3.5 seconds, according to Porsche.

Whether Porsche will be able to deliver 500 km (300+ miles range) combined with 15 minutes fast recharge is the biggest question, as long-range or acceleration is achievable without a doubt.

Porsche Mission E concept

Porsche Mission E concept

Porsche Mission E concept

Porsche Mission E concept

Porsche Mission E concept

Porsche Mission E concept

The Porsche Concept Study Mission E shows up as world premiere at the IAA 2015

The Porsche Concept Study Mission E shows up as world premiere at the IAA 2015

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37 Comments on "Porsche Mission E Video Reveals Tesla-Like Skateboard Design"

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Chris O

Definitely deja vue all over again.

Unsurprisingly of course as this is the only proper layout for an EV, just weird that it took so long for others in the industry to copy it.

Three Electrics

If I may speculate, it’s because the extra costs of the skateboard design are only necessary for long range EVS, and other manufacturers had not decided to make one until recently. While not skateboard, the LEAF uses an under body battery, and it shipped before the Model S.

MikeM

Just a thought . . .
It seems to me that a modified skateboard with added, Leaf style, under-seat humps could yield some serious battery capacity.

Bone

Tesla style skateboard + Leaf style under seat humps + Volt style center console hump = huge battery capacity.

RexxSee

They all know it’s the best way for handling and for space. They used it before

RexxSee

Extra costs??

Speculawyer

Other manufacturers, including Nissan, have used converted gasser chassis or slightly modified gasser chassis (Nissan) and thus did not go full skateboard. And going full skateboard is not trivial. It does require some good mechanical engineering to make it a real structural strong and safe part of the car.

mo

Finally, an OEM auto co. is not taking short cuts and building an EV using their existing ICE chassis. The Skateboard is the only way to build a long range EV. How many years did this take for any big German autos to admit this?

RexxSee

Conversion of existing models is a no brainer, and do not impede efficiency ; RAV4-EV 1997, Nissan Altra, Spark, Chevrolet S-10, tons of models and home mades.

A Corolla, Civic or Dart converted to electric would not cost much and fill the potential huge demand for affordable decently ranged EVs. It’s not necessary to make a big show years before with completely new designs.

Pushmi-Pullyu

RexxSee said:

“Conversion of existing models is a no brainer, and do not impede efficiency ; RAV4-EV 1997, Nissan Altra, Spark, Chevrolet S-10, tons of models and home mades.”

You can make an EV by taking a gasmobile and bolting an electric drivetrain into it, in the same way you can make a horseless carriage by taking a buggy and bolting a motor over the rear axle and adding a tiller for steering.

But in both cases you get an awkward and poorly performing vehicle, ill suited for its purpose.

It’s true that Mitsubishi has created a popular PHEV by adding an electric drive into its Outlander. But that’s the only case you can cite where a conversion EV has sold well, and I think it likely that its popularity is only the result of it having had no competition from any other PHEV SUV.

Compelling EVs are designed from the ground up. They are not designed by shoehorning an electric drive into a gasmobile.

dexter

Mercedes designed the original “A class” exactly for this purpose and used the design for an electric drive in 1997:

http://www.umweltbrief.org/pdf/Mercedes_A-class_electric_zebra.pdf

Sadly the CARB pulled back and the electric Mercedes vanished.

dexter

Oh, and just for the record — not a “big” german car company, but the german “Hotzenblitz” had this design already in 1994:

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hotzenblitz

RexxSee

It was ready for the first wave of EVs that aborted.

DeeGee

Ditto that for the Smart.. before the first ICE version debuted in 1998 it was originally designed as an electric, now some twenty years later Smart is reverting to a full electric range. Smart may be the only car designed as an electric to debut with an ICE and have a twenty year run before reverting to its original concept.

DeeGee

BMW i3 had the skateboard concept from the get go!

SJC

GM had it decades ago.

RexxSee

Show me

solaris

While not exactly the same, it’s close enough IMO. I remember seeing news coverage on TV about this as well, it was that big of a deal/PR campaign:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Motors_Hy-wire

Anon

Great concept, poor choice of ‘Fuel’ for the electric drive train.

SJC

Thank you Solaris, saves me the time 🙂

RexxSee

I knew the hy-wire. Not a BEV and not “decadeS” ago.

SJC

The concept of putting it in the platform has been around.

jerryd

Not like they had a choice in using a floor battery especially in a handling car.
And no it isn’t obvious they will build it or that it could charge in 15 minutes or get 300 US mile range if they did.
That it won’t beat a P90D 0-60 doesn’t bode well for it either.
It should be interesting comparing it to P60D Model 3’s in performance and price.

Brian

“That it won’t beat a P90D 0-60 doesn’t bode well for it either.”

I have to laugh when people claim that things like this – a single metric – will be the death knell for a given car. Even in the super car category, the second-fastest car still sells. Otherwise we’d just see a single car in every segment!

Besides, being a Porsche, I expect the Mission E to handle the road better than a Tesla. Straight line acceleration is one thing. Grip and handling in the curves is a completely different thing.

RexxSee

I’ll bet on Roadster 2

Gary

That would be a losing bet. Porsche has been making race winning cars for ever. Porsche is the benchmark for street car and race car handling. I love Tesla but they are a young company and when it comes to the finer points of handling like tires, suspension, aerodynamics, stability under stress etc, etc Stuttgart’s data far exceeds anything Tesla has. Straight line speed is just one marker and not that big a marker when it comes to making the ultimate driving machine.

goodbyegascar

Tesla showed them how it’s done.

GeorgeS

How much will it be?

$200,000?

At any rate probably more than The Model S.

Definitely a dream vehicle IMO.

Trollnonymous

My guess, $250K.

John

I bet the base price is $250k. Optioned up, it will be insanely priced.

Goodbyegascar

Only the price will be ludicrous.

Speculawyer

Especially if you get it with maximum plaid.

Speculawyer

Yeah, Tesla was the first one to put it into production lately. But the idea of a skateboard design with batteries down low has been around for a long time. And EVERYONE will be doing it eventually.

SJC

Yes, the idea has been around quite a while.

James

It’s funny hearing lots of car guys jump on this coining that warn-out phrase: “Tesla-beater”.

For one, this is just a concept. Any true Mission-E production model will have to do better than this form factor to threaten any current Tesla model. Seems hearing “Porsche” immediately illicits this type of response from many – but look at the car’s roofline. With a coupe roofline and the concept’s long wheelbase – the car looks like an “i8 beater” to me – much more than competition for a comfortable 5-7 seater like Model S.

If I were an i8 I would be very wary. Another expensive wow-car exotic on the road would be an interesting story. This car would be beautiful if turned out looking like this concept car. With BEV torque and range – the i8 would have to up it’s game.

Thing is – boutique cars don’t excite me, they just don’t. They seem like a company sticking it’s chin out and proclaiming, “Look! Look what I can do!”… It’s a proof-of-something…But not that this car company can mass produce important cars that can shape driving into the next age.

James
You look at brand-new models now being sold or about to be sold in Europe by makers like BMW and Audi. These are some pret-ty exciting cars in respect to their form factor. BMW has been forced to make their first FWD platform with a BMW ( not Mini ) badge on the hood. Stricter C02 laws have forced their hand, and they are even going to sell a couple of these models in the United States. The most interesting model of all is not bound for our shores, and utilizes the FWD architecture to make a 7 seater ( kids in 3rd row ) compact/midsize wagon that sits aero-low to the ground whilst offering SUV/CUV flexibility. Truly, for long trips, BMW even offers an aerodynamic Yakima-style carrier for the roof, making the SUV or CUV even less attractive. Problem is – these cars are diesel or gas. No skateboard battery pack was included in the design. A car like these – with that feature would just hit the market running and never slow down. It just makes too much sense. The utility, the versatility and the sensibility…It all makes too much sense! Surely if Bolt and Model III take… Read more »
Pushmi-Pullyu

As a Tesla fan it’s nice to see Tesla getting praise, but in this case it’s undeserved. The idea of a “skateboard” design for the floor and underbody of a car predates Tesla Motors by quite a bit.

It’s an innovation for an EV with a battery in the floor to have “cutouts” for rear seat passengers’ feet and legs. It will be interesting to see if other BEV makers follow suit.

But this design also leaves a hump in the middle, which reduces the utility of any middle seating there. However, if the back seat is intended to be configured for only two passengers, that may not be much of a limitation.