Watch Porsche Mission E Cross Turismo Charge At 250 kW

NOV 9 2018 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 50

While we got a glimpse Porche’s first 350-kW CCS charging station, we’ve yet to see the technology in action until now.

As we continue to report, people want faster EV charging, and when it arrives and works as advertised, we should see a notable increase in EV adoption. Tesla Superchargers are capable of about 120 kW at peak rates and the new Electrify America stations offer some 350-kW ultra-fast chargers (related to Porsche since VW Group is employing the EA stations as part of its Dieselgate agreement). Ionity, ABB, and some others are also publicizing such technology.

Porsche has advertised that its 800-volt charger can bring its batteries to an 80-percent charge in just 15 minutes, however, we haven’t yet seen that proven, and we have no clue about the batteries themselves in terms of size.

Now, German automotive publication Auto Motor und Sport’s Alexander Bloch got some exclusive time with the upcoming Porsche Mission E Cross Turismo and was able to check out the charging situation firsthand, among other things.

As expected, the car doesn’t charge at the full 350 kW, but instead at 248 kW. This doesn’t mean that the tech isn’t capable, however. Instead, it’s just not charging at the full rate possible for various reasons. Still, 248 kW is pretty encouraging.

Tesla CEO Elon Musk has pointed out in the past that 350 kW just isn’t practical or necessary right now. Battery packs aren’t large enough to have a high enough C-rate and 350 kW would be cost prohibitive. Tesla has plans for 200 to 250 kW V3 Superchargers at some point in the not too far future.

Check out the Mission E Cross Turismo video above. Scroll forward to the 19-minute mark to see the section pertaining to charging.

Video Description via Auto Motor und Sport on YouTube:

*Translated from German

Porsche stands for PS strong boxer engines with great sound. In the future, however, the world of the Swabians could sound very different. We take a look into the future with the Porsche Mission E Cross Turismo and show why it will be the fastest electric car on the road. Alexander Bloch receives an exclusive insight into the E-Ladepark at the Porsche test center in Weissach

Source: YouTube via Electrek

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50 Comments on "Watch Porsche Mission E Cross Turismo Charge At 250 kW"

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eject

Just flexing the muscles a wee bit. I don’t know who would want a thing like the cross tourismo if you could have a Taycan for the same money but I wish Porsche the best of luck.

R.S

Because it has way more trunk space? The only reason to go for the Taycan is looks, sure you can do that, but putting looks over usability by default is kind of a weird attitude, don’t you agree?

Sure, if efficiency would be way worse, or something like that, then it’s a different story, but we don’t know anything about that right now. And before someone puts out a pen and starts writing on a napkin, yes wagons aren’t as efficient as sedans, when it comes to aerodynamics, but by how much?

BEVfan

My guess is about 5%, the same as for the weight.
I have owned a sedan and only wagons after. The difference in space is huge. If you choose a sedan, the first time you need to carry a bigger object, you need to rent a car or ask a friend. So the time or money lost cover the efficiency difference really fast.
I don’t understand why Tesla isn’t offering other car body styles for 3 and S.

Link

How many people do you think are carrying furniture, building materials or other large stuff in their $100k+ Porsches?

Foersom

Maybe new furniture for their yacht? or business-jet? 😉

Davek

If I spend that much on a car, it’d better be able to do pretty damn near everything. Including transport furniture.

Brian

If you pay that much for a car you can afford to pay to have your furniture delivered.

Why pay someone when you can do it yourself?

I’m worth about $12m liquid (excluding real estate), give or take on any given day. The only time I hire anyone to do anything – renovate things, move things, repair things, install things, etc. – is when I absolutely, positively cannot do it myself. This attitude might have something to do with my rather significant net worth.

Link

Most people just want the brand, not an actual sports car. That’s why Porsche now makes most of its profits making SUVs, not 911.

Davek

Me! That thing is sex on wheels! Also way more practical than the Taycan. I’m not an old man; I need a car that I can put things like bikes and skis and luggage in. Sedans are lame, IMHO.

Brian

Model S hatchback works fine.

CDAVIS

“Porsche Mission E Cross Turismo“

Long name winner.

BEVfan

Prototype/project name.

Spoonman.

Mini Countryman S E ALL4 PHEV

Or whatever order it’s in. An even worse mouthful.

Lawrence

I’m game for the long name competition. “Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo”

CDAVIS

@Lawrence said: “Porsche Panamera Turbo S E-Hybrid Sport Turismo”
————

Good grief…. almost a paragraph.

Lawrence

Part’s guy: I still need a vin to get you the right filters since 3 different kinds come up.

CDAVIS

lol…

BEVfan

So it is possible. If Tesla owners are happy with the 120 kW peak, Porsche owners should be more than twice as happy.

zzzzzzzzzz

~ 120 kW peak if you got 100D, less for 75 trim, less than 80 kW average, especially if you hit some 300 DC cycles limit and corporate restricted charging power for you OTA.

Porsche owners should be 3x times more happy. I doubt it will play peak rate only games despite pure reputation as far as VW corporate integrity is concerned.

Elon can just keep talking that 350 kW just isn’t practical 😉 Sure it is not practical for him after investing into cell chemistry that can’t handle it at sustained rate, and needing to invest all the money by themselves alone into proprietary walled garden. That is what happens when you didn’t learn how to share your toys and play together in pre-school /s

Phel

My 3 hits 120kW. Not sure what you’re on about.

Davek

Tesla’s chemistry has always been super high energy, at the cost of some power. VW has always used high power low energy PHEV cells in its EVs up until now. Maybe the Taycan and Co. are also on the higher power end of things… Otherwise they’re going to make charging at 350kW pretty expensive in order to discourage people doing it full time.

Kbm3

Let’s wait and see what trade-offs they made to achieve that.

My guess is cost.

Brian

My guess is the battery supplier is going to eat a lot of warrenty exchanged battery packs.

David H

Just a short reminder that this is just the concept car, not even a prototype, so I think this is promising.
Someone over at Electrek monitored the percentages and the enery being delivered in the video and from that concluded that the battery should be about 65 kWh (or 62? Somewhere there).
The final version will probably have a bigger battery and thus can charge with higher power (assuming same C-rating). Let’s say a 90 kWh battery could give you 248 kW / 65 kWh * 90 kWh = 343 kW.

MoMac

“Just a short reminder that this is just the concept car, not even a prototype, so I think this is promising.”

It is reasonable to call it a concept car, but it is also an Alpha prototype.
If you are not sure what I mean by “Alpha prototype”, look it up.

Texas Leaf

I don’t agree with the commentary on this article. There is no way that Electrify America would be investing in over a thousand 350 kW chargers if they thought only the Tuurismo was going to be able to use them. I expected most BEVs to be available with 350 kW charging, even the smaller battery pack models, in the near future.

Every time we hear about one manufacturer state that faster charging is not practical or technically feasible another manufacturer starts building cars that charge faster. It sounds like Tesla spin doctor is already trying to convince people not to buy into fast charging. I have always said that the Supercharger network is an expense Tesla can not afford and it now looks like the network is quickly becoming a liability.

Foersom

Buses and trucks also use 600-800 V motor and battery tech. E.g. Irizar IE articulated bus has 1.9 GJ (525 kWh) battery and CCS, it can make good use of CCS HPC (350 kW) charger.

Blablubb

Fully agree. Check also the progress in Europe on 350kW Ionity stations ( https://ionity.evapi.de/#/charts ), which is a joint venture between multiple manufacturers incl. VW group, BMW, MB, etc. They start new stations on a daily basis by now. 400 is the target for 2020, which is currently comparable to Tesla’s network in Europe, which has flatlined for a while ( https://www.goingelectric.de/stromtankstellen/statistik/ ) on new stations (not pluggs). Other providers like Fastned are also putting up their first 350kW fast chargers.

Foersom

@Blablubb
thanks for the links.

Bla blubb

My pleasure

antrik

Don’t know what your definition is for “near future” — but just to mention one data point, VW’s upcoming MEB platform vehicles will only charge up to 125 kW — and there is even some mention that the smaller battery variants will have less than that…

James

A lot of new EV buyers are unaware that fast charging is like junk food for your battery. It’s fine occasionally, but too much will kill you.

Blablubb

yes, but you want to use it when you go on that long distance trip once a month the visit your grandmother or to go on holidays. It sucks to take a long trip after work and then stand around at a rest stop for a long time.

Doggydogworld

Tesloop’s later Model Xs Supercharged every day and a couple went 300k+ miles on the original battery. 4-5 more went 200k+ before they suspended service. I don’t think any failed. Their earlier Model S battery did fail at 200k miles, though.

Another Euro point of view

“Tesla CEO Elon Musk has pointed out in the past that 350 kW just isn’t practical or necessary right now”.

If to get stuck in traffic jams on a California highway probably not but for a German Porsche owner who is used to zip at 110mph on relatively fluid German highways it does probably matter. Good thing that German engineers listen to the right people.

Chris O

Interesting video, that German reporter really knows his EV tech. Unlike our Steven Loveday sadly; C rate is not about battery size, it’s the charge/discharge rate individual cells are subjected to.

Mission E Cross Turismo did strike me as pretty small when parked next to Panamera in the video. I thought it was shaping up to become a direct Model S competitor, now I wonder if it isn’t closer to Model 3 in terms of utility. That 800V battery tech is shaping up to be awesome though, a real edge over Tesla. Well, until Tesla decides it’s time to up the ante that is.

Kbm3

Why do you think 800v is such an edge? What real world advantage?

Chris O

I think the idea of only having to spend 15 minutes recharging will appeal more to people than the 40 minutes Tesla is offering. I agree: real world advantage is questionable since charging a Tesla for 15 minutes will in most cases get you home too.

Of course for people without access to home charging ultra fast charging will make all the difference but since these 800V systems are no doubt pricey they may not be very helpful for those lower income streetparkers.

Brian

It’s a great sales pitch and charge anxiety has replaced range anxiety in the minds of ICE drivers.

Lawrence

A depressing look at what the Taycan will look like as oppose to the gorgeous E-mission.

tftf

Hmm, that‘s the Turismo version (2020), NOT the Taycan (2019).

Watch the video again – both however can charge at 350kW peak.

Lawrence

You really think that they’re not going to use the same chassis, fender and doors for both variants? I’m picturing the same car, just lowered and without the plastic cladding.

MoMac

You don’t need to try to get an idea of what the Taycan will look like based on the Cross Turismo. They are both Alpha prototypes, but two different vehicles.

All you have to do is perform a search and find the white Taycan/Mission E prototype. The black one that they use on the track has bolted on plastic camo and fake exhaust tips.

Lawrence

There was the white concept vehicle and the black test mule. Are you referring to the concept vehicle as your “Taycan/Mission E prototype”

Davek

I just can’t get my head around people’s hate for anything remotely like a station wagon. What happened to you that you’re so traumatised by that body style?

Lawrence

I think that you are reading into more than you should. My last two ICE were Audi Avants including an RS4 which are always a premium price over the Sedan.

The issue is how muted the car is now and it looks pretty much like a Panamera. I’d buy the Mission E within a heartbeat. I’ve never even considered a Panamera because of how unappealing it looks.

antrik

Elon did *not* say anything about 350 kW charging being cost-prohibitive. He said he just doesn’t think it’s a good trade-off versus higher energy density.

Chris O

Since the Porsche will likely have the same sort of battery size as Tesla models I don’t see the trade-off.

antrik

If it will indeed have the same battery size, while having significantly higher charge rates, that means more weight. (And more cost of course — but the point was that it’s not the deciding factor… 🙂 )