Porsche Green Lights Long-Range Mission E Electric Car

The Porsche Mission E


Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

It was just over 3 months ago when Porsche first unveiled its electric Mission E concept car. Now, Porsche is officially confirming that the long-range electric has received the green light and is production-bound.

First things first…here are the preliminary specs:

  • 500 km (310 mile) all-electric range
  • 0-100 km (62 mph) in “under 3.5 seconds
  • over 600 hp (440 kW) via two motors
  • 4 seats
  • 200 kmh (124 mph) in under 12 seconds.

But this is perhaps the most interesting bit of info from the press release announcing production intent for Mission E:

“Charged via an 800-volt charger unit specially developed for the car, which is twice as powerful as today’s quick-charge systems, the lithium-ion batteries integrated within the vehicle floor have enough power again for 80 percent of the range after just 15 minutes. The vehicle can optionally be ‘refuelled’ wirelessly by induction via a coil set into the garage floor.”

Porsche AG Chairman of the Porsche Executive Board, Dr. Oliver Blume, stated:

“We are resolutely taking on the challenge of electric mobility. Even with solely battery-powered sports cars, Porsche is remaining true to its philosophy and offering our customers the sportiest and technologically most sophisticated model in this market segment.”

Unfortunate, we’ll have to wait until “end of the decade” for the Mission E to launch in full production form.

Full press release below:

The first 100% electrically powered Porsche is on its way. It will be launched at the end of the decade. The supervisory board of the Porsche AG today gave the green light for the Mission E project.

With the Mission E project, Porsche is continuing to back sustainable growth. In Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen alone more than 1,000 new jobs are being created. The company will be investing around 700 million euros in its main site there. Over the next few years, a new paint shop and a new assembly plant will be built. The existing engine factory is also being expanded for the production of electric motors. In addition, the existing body shop is being enlarged. On top of that come other areas in which the company will be investing in this context, such as in the

The Mission E concept car celebrated its premiere at the Frankfurt International Motor Show (IAA) in September. Visitors were gripped above all by its highly emotional design. Living up to the buzzword of ‘E-Performance’, the technological trailblazer combines outstanding driving performance with trendsetting day-to-day practicality. The four-door car with four individual seats has a system power output of over 440 kW (600 PS). The vehicle will thus achieve both acceleration of 0 to 100 km/h in under 3.5 seconds and a range of more than 500 kilometres. Charged via an 800-volt charger unit specially developed for the car, which is twice as powerful as today’s quick-charge systems, the lithium-ion batteries integrated within the vehicle floor have enough power again for 80 percent of the range after just 15 minutes. The vehicle can optionally be ‘refuelled’ wirelessly by induction via a coil set into the garage floor.

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

“A clear statement about the future of the brand”

Dr. Wolfgang Porsche, Chairman of the Supervisory Board of Porsche AG: “With Mission E, we are making a clear statement about the future of the brand. Even in a greatly changing motoring world, Porsche will maintain its front-row position with this fascinating sports car.”

Porsche AG Chairman of the Porsche Executive Board, Dr. Oliver Blume: “We are resolutely taking on the challenge of electric mobility. Even with solely battery-powered sports cars, Porsche is remaining true to its philosophy and offering our customers the sportiest and technologically most sophisticated model in this market segment.” Blume added that the E Mission project underlines the importance of Stuttgart-Zuffenhausen as a production site, of Baden-Württemberg as a centre of technology and of the whole German automotive industry.

Uwe Hück, Chairman of the Central Works Council and Deputy Chairman of the Porsche AG Supervisory Board: “A day to celebrate! Yes, we did it! We brought Mission E to Zuffenhausen and Weissach where the future has tradition. The workers’ side made the employer’s side an offer that they couldn’t refuse. This heralds the dawn of a new age in Zuffenhausen and Weissach. Digitalisation will be growing up with us. And Factory 4.0 will be a major challenge for the workforce, trade union and employer. We will be taking new approaches but not giving up on the social aspects. With today’s decision, Porsche is driving flat out with no speed restrictions into the automotive and industrial future.”

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It sounds like a more expensive Model S with less room and worse performance. But they are right to do it, because “by the end of the decade” no one will want to buy a Panamera if it’s not electric.

More like a 4-door Roadster. Is mr. Musk planning a new Roadster? When?

Elon has been pretty clear that the Model 3 is top priority now, and you can be pretty sure that there will not be a new Roadster announced until after general Model 3 production is rolling out.

Yet, I expect announcement of a new Roadster before 2020. Before they are fully up to his 500,000 vehicles a year target, but after they have exceeded 150,000 vebicles produced per year. It will be designed to deliver “Maximum Plaid” per the Spaceballs movie. I guess that would be 0-60 in under or about 2 seconds! If they could also get it to a record on the circuit tracks, they will have another winner!

310 miles of range? NEDC miles, I presume, so subtract at leas 25% …

I talked to a Porsche engineer, who works on some new drive concept team, who said it will definitely be 500km in real life, even the prototype had 100kWh of battery!

That’s not credible. If it had 500 km of real-world electric range, then they’d be claiming 600-650 or so.

Under promise, over deliver?

Same VW Group engineers that adapted emissions cheat software to their regular gasoline engines?

Porsche is known for under quoting performance figures for it’s vehicles, once in the hands of the magazines/public they always outperform the factory figures in all respects…

Not a real project yet. They don’t have the battery chemistry – the 80% in 15 minutes is a clear giveaway that they have to wait for new chemistry for this to happen. 2020 is far away enough that no one will care if this means 2022 or 2023.

Other than the ridiculously wide rear end, I like the clean look of this EV.

Too bad VW Groups not rushing this to market.

Thanks, Tesla.

Seriously. If it wasn’t for Tesla, we would not be seeing cars like this. Of course dieselgate helped.

If it’s all electric why does it say turbo charging on the picture of the interior?

…just a bad turn on the English narrative here I think.

In this case they mean “turbo” charging, as in ‘it charges up really fast’

Got it. Just an unfortunate play of words.

ONly as unfortunate as Tesla’s “Supercharge” network, but Tesla gets a free pass around here while VW group still needs to win over EV enthusiasts. I know people who drive turbocharged cars that just think that Turbo means it’s really fast, the general public won’t be confused by a “supercharged” or “turbocharged” charge station.

I don’t know about a free pass for Tesla but VW will need to do a heck of a lot more after DieselGate. Frankly, they should have come clean a year ago when questioned by the EPA. Instead they denied, denied and denied until the EPA held their feet to the fire. And then they still didn’t tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
So yea me mistaking turbo charging for turbocharging whilst not doing the same for super charging isn’t a big deal in the grand scheme of things. 🙂

I think this is more confusing with Porsche because the vehicle will be sitting in a showroom next to a 911 Turbo. Sales people are really going to loath explaining the difference.

Since Tesla doesn’t sell anything with a gas engine, the SuperCharger pun is a bit more fitting.

This is just marketing to help the VW Group. This car is comparable to the currently available Model S but will be available in 2020. By then the Model S will be much more advanced….

The specs are not written in stone, they are preliminary i.e. what they are aiming for. Obviously they will closely monitor how batteries develop and make sure that the car has the latest technology once it launches.

We are 100% certain that by 2017 if not 2016 the model S will travel 1000 km between charges. Here is how we are sure about that. The current range of the car is 739 km at a speed of 70 km/h at a temp 40 degrees c with the 90 kWh battery. That is today not in the future https://www.teslamotors.com/en_CA/models Now by 2017 the battery will have higher energy density and will be cheaper so all we need is an increase of just 35% in the range. This be easily achieved by the reduction of weight and price of batteries alone not reducing the weight of the body of the car. So I am 100% certain that we will have a 1000 km range car in the model S. Now I understand that going at 70 km/h at 40 degrees is not comfortable, but at least it is possible to go 1000 km between charges. And in reality we hardly ever travel at 200 km/h. The other fact that we already know is that the model 3 is 20% smaller than the model S. So there we have a reduction in the body weight of the car and at… Read more »

800V charging is still vaporware, as is the car.

Porsche’s LeMans winning 919 race cars use 800v system, it’s derived directly from that system.

Since 800 volts at the customer interface (the Mennekes connector, CCS type 1 or 2, Chademo, and even Tesla) are currently Non-Standard, does Porsche:

1). Plan to change entire agreed-upon standards to fully retrofit all the existing equipment to allow for this?

2). Come out with a new world wide immediately adopted standard, for what will be a niche product for them?

Points one and two don’t seem practical.
So, how about much more likely 3).

3). Take a 400 volt input and double it to 800 volts in the car?

This seems the easiest to do, but then what is the point, seeing as 400 volts DC in the car is adequate electrical pressure for manufacturing any reasonable amount of horsepower, especially if there is more than one motor.

So, you see, nothing here about Porsche’s announcement passes the SMELL test.

Right, and that smell is the ‘Big Stink’ that erupts from your tailpipe when the pollution controls disengage. Porsche, part of the VW group, guilty as charged, my verdict: banned for life from my driveway.

The answer is 4) Update the CCS standard to handle higher power while remaining backwards compatible for older cars and then place chargers capable of handling this higher power at strategic places where people rich enough to buy the car like to hang out.

You’re missing the point, which Bill Howland made only subtly. Up to 600 Volts, you are in the regime of the National Electric Code that allows Joe Public to be handling hardware (like a DCFC charging cable). Above 600 Volts, it is officially “high voltage” and Joe Public can’t get near it, only electricians. There is no way that Porsche will field a 800 V DCFC interface, PERIOD. They’ll quietly back off of that, so just ignore that 800V B.S. But there will be no trade off, since they’ll be able to make plenty of power off a sub-600V DC bus.

Guess they’ll need an automated metal snake to plug in the car, then. Wonder who’s already working on that…. Hmm.

Also, VW’s lame DCFC network name leaves room for Tesla to upgrade their stations and rename them, “HyperChargers”.

ICE plug voltage is way higher than 600 V, actually several thousands of volts. They apparently found a way to get it into every gasoline car around.

They won’t limit to 800 v because they will soon see that you need 1600 v to be able to recharge at the Megawatt level which is the end game that will give a true 10 minute recharge of a 200 KWh battery. We are not there yet but Megachargers will be the long lasting name of the fast chargers since it is indeed to the Megawatt level that it will correspond. Of course the cars will still be able to charge at a lower 400 v level at 100 or 11 KW.

I thought in europe everyone is allowed to handle up to 1000 V DC

Sounds like they’ll need a 240 kw charger to give them the speed they’ll demand.

Around me, that would be a $29,000 per year demand charge for ONE charger unit,and this is not counting the actual cost of the electricity itself..

Western NY , where I am, and I suspect many other locales, simply couldn’t afford this, let alone the car. Unless of course, suddenly 10,000 porsche’s, all of the EV variety, were suddenly sold here. I don’t see it.

The only way a 240 KW charger docking station would be remotely conceivable in my area would be to have around 500 kwh of batteries co-located with the charger, and then trickle charge THOSE batteries over a 24 hour period for the 7-8 cars a day the thing would actually charge.

Tesla said they started using that strategy at some of their busy SuperChargers stations with the power wall prototypes last year.

You’re right, and this has been already figured out and applied at some Tesla supercharger.
I don’t know wich one.

With cheaper battery, and older EV pack getting their useful vehicle life done and pair with load balancing advantage on charging site, it would make a no brainer.

That would be a 30.000$-50.000$ (300$/kWh + installation + thousand of little stuff) investment to avoid around 20.000$/year. Seems like a good investment.

Ups, made a miscalculation, only 150.000$ for battery alone. Meaning total price more like 200.000$. And all to avoid 20.000$/year. Not so good.

Why would there be a problem to have a car charging station at 240 KW directly? Tram metro and train use much more instant power when they start and operate. You just need to pay the peak power demand once not every time a tram, a metro or a train accelerate. By the way a high speed train uses 25000 volt and 8000 KW, that make a 800 v or 1600 v demand at 240 KW or 500 KW look small in comparison. In your own garage you won’t have that but at a supercharger yes.

I’ll try one more time. 5 years ago (more like 6 now,) I said 150 kw (0,15 megaatts) (damn Diasqus) is thep ractical limit.
Trains,trams,buses, trucks, trolleys, stret cars,etc move dozens of people at a time.

Demand charges, billed every 30 days in NA, are $8-20 per kw (10 where I am, relatvely cheap). Europe or Jpan may not have this, but has ‘Demand Contracted For’ – which only affects private businesses. If the gov’t wants something, they’l FORCe it thru, since they’ll just raise taxes to cover the expense.

Therefore, it wont surprise me to see a 240 kw Porsche, since only rich people can have them.

But for what we call JOE BLOW, he’ll be perfectly satisfied with 150 kw for his sole family car, even though the electric train he also rides in occassionally needs 2000 KW. It is justifiable since the cost is spread over hundreds of riders.

To answer the objection: “But there’s going to be 100’s of EVS!!!”.

The issue is, these will peak at the charging spots only a few hours a day.

It would be economic to slice off these PEAKS, even if somewhat more energy charges acrue due to the additional you would say needless extra power conversinons//sttnary battery chg/dschg losses.

A side benefit is that it alleviates the necessity of building more power plants, which no one wants.

At 240kW dispensed and return of 0,10$/kWh you will need 1200 hours to break even regarding the demand charge. That is less than 3,5 hours a day. Seems possible to me with enough cars (BEV) on the road.

Saw a Fisker Karma at a dealership back when they were in production. Very low and all that, solar panel integrated in the roof. Cool stuff, of course you’d almost need to be a gymnist to climb in and out of it, but hey, who doesn’t want to fall on the ground getting in and out of their halo car.

First, Wolfgang Porsche is going to oversee the installation of feaux “air stabilizers”, and a software tweak on the European diesels. Then, after a few yuks with Matheus, they will finish blowing through the 20,000,000,000, as a cost of doing proper diesel business. The PHEVs will get a few more miles, and they’ll reprint the Model E each time the ink on the one in the lobby fades. The R8 is looking a ~little~ bleached.

Costing what, rapid-charging where and in the showroom when? MW