Porsche Exec: Unlike Tesla Model S, Mission E Can Be Pushed To The Max Over & Over Again

The Porsche Mission E

JUN 20 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 84

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

The Porsche Mission E, A Pure Electric Supercar Had Its World Premier At The 2015 IAA

The Porsche Mission E, A Pure Electric Supercar Had Its World Premier At The 2015 IAA

Recently, Automobile magazine spoke with a Porsche engineer not directly involved with the Mission E. The engineer told Automobile that the Mission E will be “something special.” He added that it’s “a true Porsche through and through.”

Would we expected anything less from Porsche?

Automobile got in touch with a “product manager from Porsche” too. Though his/her name wasn’t disclosed, the source stated:

“It’ll be something entirely different than any of its competitors, across the board. The thing about [Tesla’s] Ludicrous mode is that it’s a façade. Two launches saps the whole battery. That won’t be the case with the Mission E. You’ll be able to run it hard, over and over; the battery will not overheat, the power control module will not overheat, and the seats will not suck.”

It’s long been known that the Tesla Model S struggles to keep its power up in on-track situations. Overheating seems to be the culprit and Porsche says its Mission E won’t have this issue.

Automobile states:

Porsche Mission E

Porsche Mission E

“Based on what we’ve seen on the Mission E concept, the production version will benefit from technology derived from the 919 hybrid race car. The concept makes more than 600 hp using two electric motors, sending it off silently into oblivion in less than 3.5 seconds. Thanks to patented Porsche tech like all-wheel steering and torque-vectoring, it’ll lap the Nurburgring in less than eight minutes.”

There apparently will be lower-end Mission Es offered as well:

“While a 600-hp version may be offered at the top of the range, Porsche will likely offer two lower tiers making 500 hp and 400 hp as well, according to AUTOMOBILE European bureau chief Georg Kacher.”

While power and performance seem to be buttoned up, range is proving problematic. As Automobile explains:

“From what we’ve heard, the biggest hurdle is the Mission E’s range. The concept version was estimated at 310 miles, and it recharges using an integrated capacitive charging technology in the underbelly, with wireless charging capability, that can reach 80 percent of a full charge in 15 minutes.”

The Porsche Mission E is expected to go into production in 2019.

Some known details on the Mission E (F1) include:

  • 500 km (310 mile) all-electric range
  • 0-100 km (62 mph) in “under 3.5 seconds
  • over 600 hp (440 kW) via two motors
  • 4 seats
  • 200 kmh (124 mph) in under 12 seconds.

Source: Automobile

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84 Comments on "Porsche Exec: Unlike Tesla Model S, Mission E Can Be Pushed To The Max Over & Over Again"

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You guys can’t even make the XL1 1L/100km car work/sell. Its a beauty of a car and the VW engineers we’re bashing it when I was for my own EV in the EMC Lab next to the Fraunhover institute.

So far your green credentials are a FACADE!

Making the XL1 hybrid was stupid. It was just a scam to “prove” that combustion engines aren’t dead yet and can make efficient cars. But an all electric XL1 with a 30 kWh usable battery would be enough for 200 miles range.

I also think that the first prototype with 2 tandem seats is a lot cooler. At least is unique, different from the rest.

https://pt.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_concept#/media/File:VW_L1.JPG

It’s a shame that electric cars with tandem seats aren’t mainstream yet, they make the car very aerodynamic, requiring smaller/cheaper batteries, great as commuter cars.

I hope that the Elio Motors car is successful, if it is, an electric version was already confirmed to happen in the following years.

In the article above, Automobile magazine said:
“Based on what we’ve seen on the Mission E concept, the production version will benefit from technology derived from the 919 hybrid race car.”

This past weekend, the Porsche 919 hybrid race car won the 24 Hours at Le Mons endurance race. I think you’re underestimating Porsche’s ability to make a high performance EV that you can take to a track (with turns), and that’s able to do laps at full power.

The LMP1 919 is not an EV. The Mission E is. So, forget about “919” endurance. We may see significantly higher regen rates, like maybe >120kw, rather than Tesla’s ~60 (Volt 45..). That’s, I think, where the hustle is in sports plug-in R&D. You can’t show on the grid with storage, but you can invest a ton in kinetic recovery, or “KERs”, systems.

Green GT is going on Le Mans with electric car, no ICE involved.

Tesla culties are welcomed to scream from jealousy and hate now 😉

Poor zzzzzzzzzz. His TES (Tesla Envy Syndrome) keeps flaring up!

There is a cure for your debilitating condition, zzzzzzzzzz. Just sell off your Tesla stock shorting position now! Instant relief for you TES is guaranteed.

Everyone know that.
They can do better, just don’t know yet how much they care about doing it.
No cult, no fear, just fact please.
The Porches executive is quote saying about the Tesla ludicrous mode “Two launches saps the whole battery. ”
Yeah sure, if this isn’t fud, what else is?

So cult is just showing about everywhere I guess.

The latest Tesla seats are decent, the original MS seats sucked. Porsche, you are full of it.

No doubt it will be the hottest looking EV. Very cool. Given that most cars like this end up in a line headed by a pickup truck, the performance specs are all about marketing.

It’ll be great if they can deliver a trackable EV. But as we know, when it comes to EVs, there’s a lot of talk.

But there’s also a small matter of price.

Product on DRAWING BOARD does not beat Product On The STREET. Future Product on the drawing board has better specs than a product being sold? I’d Hope So.

STFU, until it’s on the Street, and in What Year?

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#MissionE V @TeslaMotors #TeslaP90D At @nuerburgring
WHAT!
Still Vaporware

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https://twitter.com/InsideEVs/status/744863628134780932

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I have no idea what you said, but I’m sure it was important.

It always is when “The Big Kahuna” speaks.

The Porsche Mission what? I love it when the Germans brag with cars that don’t even exist. BMW did the same in their latest TV commercial. They put their “Vision Next 100” in it ….

BMW Vision Next 100 …to promote their loud, poisonous diesel cars. What a bizarre commercial. What’s the message?: “One day (hopefully never) you won’t have to buy our stoneage technology in europe anymore”.

I’m happy to see Porsche join the rEVolution, but let me see if I have this right: Porsche thinks that it’s important that a car be able to run flat out on a track for long periods of time, and thinks that customers will be willing to pay for that (most estimates for the Mission E are well over $200,000).

Tesla thinks that most people don’t need a track-performing car, but love the thrill of sub-3-second 0-60 launches and a very practical car they can drive today, and get into for half the price of a Porsche Mission E.

With over 100,000 sales I think Tesla is right on this one, but like I say I’m glad Porsche is planning EVs.

In Porsche’s defense, many of their customers have a Porsche as their 3rd (or 4th) vehicle and use it as a weekend driver or track vehicle. But Porsche’s goal is probably 5k – 10k worldwide annual sales for Mission E.

Also, Porsche is naive to think that Tesla won’t make the next-gen Roadster track ready, and higher performance than the Mission E specs.

Good point about the next gen Roadster. That should be the real comparison to the Mission E.

I think of the Mission E as Porsche’s version of the original Tesla Roadster in that it is an object of desire as opposed to the range-limited golf cart image that EV’s had been saddled with before the Roadster.

You gentlemen are both absolutely right. Well said.

Hmmm… I’m not sure yet what Tesla is going to do with their next Roadster. It may not be a full bore Supercar.

I say this because the rumors are that they will be basing it on the Model 3 platform. And the rumors are that the Model 3 won’t be made out of exotic lightweight materials, it will have more traditional construction to keep prices down.

That would make the Roadster more of a street-oriented car to compete with something like the Audi TT or Porsche Boxter in the $45-50K price range.

Frankly, while the competitive side of me wants to see a full bore $200,000 Tesla Supercar, a more reasonable street oriented 2-door Roadster would be the better choice when it comes to selling more cars.

Josh Bryant said:

“In Porsche’s defense, many of their customers have a Porsche as their 3rd (or 4th) vehicle and use it as a weekend driver or track vehicle.”

Sure, Porsche is aiming at the tiny niche of drivers who really do want to use this as a racetrack car, or at least to have that capability.

Despite the Model S’s awesome 0-60 acceleration performance, it is very far from a racetrack car. What it is, is a luxury liftback sedan with really impressive acceleration.

But the fact that Porsche is dissing Tesla in such a vulgar fashion indicates pretty strongly that Tesla is eating into their market, and seriously so. Surprisingly unbusinesslike from Porsche, and I hope this isn’t a sign of things to come. We have far too much descent into the sewer in modern discourse in American politics; we certainly don’t need to see the same in advertising for high-end cars.

This exec sounds like an uninformed teenager (“seats won’t suck”) because he knows the company isn’t taking himself, or the Mission E, seriously.

No, Porsche simply said they know how to build a quality product and gave examples of what they consider poor quality.

Not really the sound of an influential grownup…

It’s interesting to see an primarily ICE-based company talking big about battery/charging technology that they allegedly have that’s way beyond a company that purely focuses on batteries and charging technology. For every manufacturer besides Tesla, EV’s are merely a side hobby. So Porsche is gonna tell us all they’ve already figured out what Tesla hasn’t (yet)?? I’ll believe it when I see it. While I hope those capabilities are true, I’m just not buying it..

The whole EV revolution was brought about by Tesla out of the blue. Now others will show Tesla how to make EVs. I’ll come back in two weeks when I’m finished laughing!

The grapes are so sour at Porsche they have to brag about their vaporware.

AnswertoStupidGarbage

A 2020 concept car whose spec can not beat most of spec of P90DL which is a production car released at 2015

lol

You can’t do jack S%$# in a Mission E because it is vaporware. Ditto for their alleged 800v charging network.

If and when it does exist it will be competing against a 2020 Model S not a 2016 Model S.

And against the 2020 Supercharger Network.

Porsche is obviously a bit mad here and it’s good, means Tesla is doing something right.

Oh and by the way, they are outright lying when they say the Model S in ludicrous mode can only go zero to sixty twice before it zaps the battery. Once again different rags stating the same bull****.

You can only do 0-250 kph 2-5 times in a row. After that the components temperature increases and you are limited in performance. I think around 0-210 kph max in less than 0-250 before.

Porsche = VW Group = PR BS

@Anon It’s most definitely not EQUAL to.

Porsche the car manufacturer is owned by Porsche Automobil Holding SE, which has a controlling stake (50.7% of shares with voting rights – but “only” about 30% of all shares) in Volkswagen AG.

Besides, the whole VW affair really is totally out of kilt with reality. Yes, the fact that they admitted to having cheated on purpose makes their case special. But lets not ignore that the real-world emissions of NOx are actually LESS from VWs diesels than nearly all other manufacturers (which, on average, emitted SIX TIMES the legal limit in real world use).

http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-news/new-cars/volkswagen-tops-real-world-nox-emissions-tests

https://www.theguardian.com/business/2016/apr/21/all-top-selling-cars-break-emissions-limits-in-real-world-tests

I don’t know for sure, but I believe many of those diesels were never offered in the US market. That may be precisely because of the US rules having an explicit prohibition of “defeat devices” – making the diesels illegal. But in terms of MORAL idigniation – unless you feel killing Europeans is more acceptable than Americans – VW is clearly no worse than any of the other car makers.

So give us a break!

U.S. NOx rules were a lot stricter than Europe, but VW knew this and still and blew us off big. Plenty of cars can comply, if the OEM wants them to. Just fit an appropriately tuned SCR system and, voila: -VW’s new 1.4ltr will probably comply -Chevy Colorado Diesel alreday complies -Chevy Cruze complies -current BMW complies, as per the WVU testing that out’d VW Nobody else is turning their emissions systems off, blowing 2-3 grams of nitrogen oxides per mile. So, I don’t see how you can ask for VW to get a break. The diesel fiasco is a global disaster, and embarrassment to the other German makers. They had ample resources to get it right, but went crooked, then got deceptive, and so on to this day. To frame how cheap VW was when it came to complying with USA’s early NOx restrictions (Euro 6 followed 5+yrs later), a review of this link is one of the best I’ve found: http://fortune.com/inside-volkswagen-emissions-scandal/ Porsche = VW = Audi Last Thursday, was the chance to vote against the dividend and crimp Lower Saxony’s power. Instead, this company is circling the wagons, by putting its workers and the status quo above shareholders,… Read more »

pjwood1 said:
“Nobody else is turning their emissions systems off, blowing 2-3 grams of nitrogen oxides per mile.”

Don’t all diesel cars have software that turns off NOx emission control systems when the air temperature gets cold to “protect the EC systems,” making them pseudo defect devices?

Note, those cold temperature are never encountered in a testing environment when emissions tests are run in the lab. Thus, the software will never shut of the NOx emissions control system during a lab test, but readily shuts the NOx EC system off in cold weather (winter).

There are at least a couple conditions programmed, like changing fuel mix on hills for instance. When EPA reviews cars, “devices” which alter emissions management are supposed to be disclosed. That rule is part of American regulations, and therefore also the Clean Air Act.

If a car company says “At 10 degrees, we use fuel mix “X” to preserve drivability”, then as long as EPA knows they judge whether its reasonable and continue to certify the car. But the key is disclosure. I believe EPA/DOJ may have VW more legally cornered over their lack of AECD disclosure, than the fact they “passed” the lab test.

This might explain why there are other claims of non-compliance for other diesels, like from the European Commission cited in the article. The testing conditions have a pretty big influence upon the results, and if these cars were sold in the U.S. the EPA may have been aware of allowable “AECDs”, tailored for just those types of limited conditions.

See my comment to Nix below. In Europe, one automaker defined “cold” to mean below 64°F and throttled back the emissions system to protect the engine at those balmy temperatures. Fiat is accused of putting its emission control system on a timer that always throttled back emissions controls after 22 minutes, which would be 2 minutes after the 20-minute-long official European emissions test if the car was being tested.

There is a huge difference between a car operating in clean mode by default that switches to a dirtier mode in specific cases, and a car that operates in dirty mode by default that switches to clean mode only when on a dyno.

Huge difference.

Sad you can’t tell this for yourself.

Nix,

I wasn’t comparing which company is the biggest diesel emissions cheat, just pointing out that automakers other than VW used a loopholes to turn off their emissions systems.

Some automakers really exploited these loopholes to ensure that the emissions system were shut off a great deal of time, not just in narrow specific cases.

Automakers used the “thermal window” loophole, which allows them to shut off or throttle back the emissions system in cold weather to protect the engine. But the problem is that automakers have adopted very generous definitions of “cold,” with one manufacturer dialing back emissions controls whenever outside temperatures dropped below a balmy 64°F!!!

http://www.reuters.com/article/volkswagen-emissions-thermal-idUSL5N17P55D

Meanwhile, Fiat is accused of putting its emissions system on a timer that always throttles back after 22 minutes. The official European emissions test lasts for approximately 20 minutes. This means that Fiats will always have higher NOx emissions when they are running for longer than 22 minutes. That’s NOT a huge difference compared to what VW did to defeat its emissions systems.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/cars/news/diesel-emissions-scandal-fiat-under-investigation/

Reuters link for Fiat emissions irregularities:

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-fiat-emissions-germany-idUSKCN0XL0MT

What flies in Europe, doesn’t in the U.S. I sincerely doubt that Fiat would attempt to seek approval for an “at the 22nd second”, or “at temperatures below 64 degrees” kind of switch. The 22nd, or 64 degrees, become “alternatives” under CAA AECD.

Among the fallout from VW, has been the recognition of European regulatory capture (haven’t used that label in a while 😉 ) Perhaps I should qualify “In the USA, ….”, because in that context VW went it alone.

Meh. VW/Audi/Porsche all share plenty of parts out of the same parts bins. Blathering about stock ownership doesn’t change the tight-knit relationship between this family of badges.

What’s the Mission E going to cost? Will it be an entry-level Porsche? The most expensive Porsche of them all? Middle of the range?

I expect something between 80.000-200.000 €. A lot cheaper than the 797 (starting at 700.000 €) but more at the upper end of the “high volume” porsches.

Again the fanbois come out. So absolutely neurotic about any criticism of Tesla, that they have to attack Porsche this time. Porsche already delivered the 918, which is a masterpiece of engineering. There is no credible reason to doubt that the Mission E will meet its promised performance characteristics. Take a step back, basement warriors.

Well said. The Mission E will far surpass anything from Tesla. Is it such a surprise that a company with decades of experience can build a better EV if they try? Nope.

Tesla will get better, but currently their inexperience results in a lot of design flaws and reliability problems that are not acceptable on such expensive autos.

Tell you what, if Porsche puts out a family sedan that can do what the Model S can accomplish for less, we can compare their results. Until then Tesla will continue to be innovative and produce autos for people like my family who stretched to afford an EV and are willing to work with a company who is changing things for the better. (Not one who destroys it and then brags about vapourware and track performance while telling untruths about the competition.)

If you’re family can afford a Tesla then you are certainly not “stretched” to afford an EV.

I think the fanbois are defending Tesla, not attacking.

To be fair, the comparison is being made between a vehicle that does not exist and will not exist for several years more against a current production vehicle.

Finally, where is this fancy 15min Porsche-compatible SuperCharger network?

Anyone can talk a good talk. Show me the goods.

+10!

I’m a big Tesla fan, but I am not sure I like Tesla fans..! :p

What’s really funny is the fanbois pointing out that this car is vaporware, which, to be fair, it is right now. Seemingly every article on here has had a comment that car X isn’t as good as the Model 3 for at least the last year. Somehow, that apparently was not the same thing.

“VW wrath” is its own neurosis. Cultivated by VWG.

The 918 has about 7 usable kwh, and weighs w/in 100lbs of Volt2. Give Tesla an 800,000 price tag, get rid of Musk’s fear of driving, and I’m thinking they’ll stay in the hunt.

taser54 whinged:

“Again the fanbois come out. So absolutely neurotic about any criticism of Tesla, that they have to attack Porsche this time.”

ROTFL!

Mr. Clueless, you get an “F” for pop psychology. I suppose you think that every sports fan who defends his team when a fan of an opposing team talks smack about them is also “neurotic”?

You also get an “F” for perception. Just let your eyetracks travel up to the top of this web page. Note it says “InsideEVs”… not “Inside Guzzlers” or “Inside Porsche”.

If you’re gonna whine every time someone posts something positive about Tesla here… then you’re gonna be doing more screeching than a streetcar’s wheels!

Don’t forget to give him an F for personality too.

The Model 3 looks like a 5 passenger Porsche, and that hurts their feelings.

Poor Man’s Porsche maybe..?

Audi still is Poor Man’s Mercedes in my mind. :p

Also, that front end is NOT aerodynamic. Those headlights will add constant DRAG at 50 mph and above.

And that instrument panel on ramp, that doesn’t look good either.

Unlike the Mission E, the Model S is a real car.

And this is relevant because…??

Nobody was speaking AS IF the Mission E is already in production. And there is very little reason to doubt Porsche’s ability to deliver.

Do you seek out articles elsewhere in the motor press that are about coming cars to leave comments pointing out that “unlike car X, the Model S is a real car”??

Just empty talk VW group alr day released a dozen of promises of EVs, I think Porche can talk about their plans however not to criticize with nothing to show just words. In fact what it really such is the launch mode, yes take to the tracks but launch control destroy the engine, very sad gimmick.

Reason to doubt Porsche’s abiltiy to deliver came yesterday:
http://insideevs.com/ev-powertrains-to-be-nearly-as-energy-dense-as-ice-by-2045/

Porsche may very well de-tune the Mission E for more consistent, amperage limited, launches than Tesla allows. It’s a slower launch, so why not? To me, yesterday’s article said it could be 29 years before EV beats ICE in endurance racing. It is a practical reality, that Mission E will suffer some of the same limits we currently see with BEVs, on the track.

Maybe one 8 minute lap of the Ring, but then 9, then maybe 11 or the pits. Tesla’s motor heat-limits within the first 2.

They are bragging about a that does not exist.

Terawatt said:

“Nobody was speaking AS IF the Mission E is already in production.”

No, but they certainly are bragging as if they already know what all the specs of the actual production model are gonna be. That is more than just a bit unlikely.

Since this car is years away from production, Porsche should be saying things like “We plan to make the battery so that it does not overheat, even when the car is run hard, over and over.”

But they’re not. They’re describing future plans as if they’re faits accomplis while talking smack about Tesla, including use of the not-exactly-professional word “suck”.

So yeah, more than just a bit of ridicule is appropriate here.

“And there is very little reason to doubt Porsche’s ability to deliver.”

Well, quite clearly a lot of people here don’t share that opinion.

Pushmi-

Thank you for making sense, as always.

I am very excited to see that the global auto industry is adding so many plug-ins and pure EVs to their product pipelines. EVs are now considered a viable option for millions of drivers. The electric-car revolution is here.

The catalyst and inspiration for this revolution has been Tesla, specifically the Model S. The Porsche Mission E doesn’t even attempt to hide it.

Terawatt said “there is very little reason to doubt Porsche’s ability to deliver.”

Well, they may indeed have the “ability”, but will they actually deliver is certainly a valid topic for debate.

Please familiarize yourself with the long list of proposed Volkswagen, Audi, and Porsche plug-in vehicles in insideevs archives that have never made it to market.

If you want to argue inevitability, please first list all of the VAG group and associated company plug-in vehicles that have actually made it to market in the US, and then list all the proposed vehicles that didn’t. I’ll double check your list against mine and let you know how far off of reality you are. Because that family of badges has a very, very poor record of delivery so far.

Until you compile the list for yourself, you won’t really understand what we are talking about, and why it is perfectly valid to question if this car will ever make it to market in the US.

Several years ago my local Porsche dealer was completely trashing the Tesla and EV’s in general saying that they’re not real cars.

Now that Porsche is going to produce an EV they’re going to have admit that an EV is OK.

See what you did there? It’s called a “bait and switch” and as far as reasoning goes, it’s considered “a bad thing”.

Your local Porsche dealer did X.

Porsche, the car manufacturer, now has to admit X was a mistake.

Sorry, re-read his comment. You put your own spin on it, it’s not what he said:
“Now that Porsche is going to produce an EV they’re going to have admit that an EV is OK.”

“They” meaning the folks at the Porsche dealer that used to bad-mouth EVs.

Terawatt said:

“See what you did there? It’s called a “bait and switch” and as far as reasoning goes, it’s considered “a bad thing”.

In the first place Terawatt, that is absolutely not what “bait and switch” means.

And in the second place: If you wonder why you get a lot of angry responses to your posts, it’s because of undeserved, hostile crap like this coming from you.

Some of your comments are interesting and well-written. But far too many of them, like this one, read like something that a 10-year-old would write without thinking.

Do yourself a favor: Read a few articles on logical fallacies, think before you post, and dial back the hostility level. Dial it back quite a lot.

I’m not a Tesla Fanatic, but I do find the Porsche engineer’s comments to be odd.
Could you imagine if an engineer for a smartphone company said, “Smartphone X (that launched 2 or more years ago) is pretty good, but in 2 years when we launch our smartphone, it will be better than that one”
This guy is bragging that a new product, that will launch in the future, will beat a product that was developed years ago. Well… I’d hope so.

Teslarians are doing it in every second comment about any EV. Model 3 this model 3 that, how it is much better than today’s cars in teslarian imagination. Who cares that Musk doesn’t have money to produce it and just emits empty promises about production years. Porsche at least has money and experience to produce cars that have doors that close and can even go on track and sometimes even win.

Wow, that is a pretty intense attack of your TES, zzzzzzzzzz. What’s the deal? Is your TSLA “short” position not doing well? Is this intense flurry of Tesla-bashing posts motivated by desperation on your part?

If so, that’s another reason to take the cure.

“Tesla envy happens when other people have, ahem, long positions and yours is too short.” — Jim Whitehead

Who care about other’s money?
I care about mine, and I’ll be fine to put it on a 200 miles+ Ev that cost what I’m ready to put on a vehicle.
Whatever badge is on it.
You think Porsche would be first?
If so you’re in “ridiculous mode”

Porsche summary: “Our future car is going to be much better than our competitors current cars”

Yeah, I’m sure your competition is just going to wait around for 3 years for you to catch up.

If any features of this Porsche would appeal to the mass market, you can bet Tesla would include them in a refreshed Model S. Elon Musk was a sports car enthusiast before he decided to make Tesla, after all.

But these differentiating features probably won’t appeal to the mass market and Tesla won’t bother developing race car features unless they decide to compete on the track.

There’s supposed to be a Tesla S racing series in the works. Bodes well for aftermarket performance upgrades.(improved battery cooling, brakes, suspension). For the price difference between the Tesla and Pirsche, quite a few options and upgrades are possible. Let the battle begin! By the way, 20- something Mate Rimac built a Piikes Peak conquering 1 MW EV on a relative shoestring. Where were the VW geniuses?

Now if only they would package all of this fun into something the size of a Cayman or Boxster…

+100

Ha! Porsche talking smack about Tesla.

I guess that’s a pretty strong indication that Tesla is strongly eating into their sales.

Hey Porsche! You talk a good fight. Now let’s see if you can deliver. Actions speak louder than words, and in the field of compelling EVs, Tesla’s actions are shouting a heck of a lot louder than yours.

Great! Trash Talking Tesla only means that they are serious about it.

Now, build that Mission E and bring it out.

The more the merrier.

Unlike the Mission E, the Tesla Model S Can Be Purchased Today.

There’s enough room for both of you. But you have to stop complaining and actually build it.

Maybe it’s just me, but comparing a Tesla to a Porsche is like comparing a Tesla to a Volt. Totally different markets.

IN a perfect world I’d give plenty of weight to what Porsche states, but lately I’m underwhelmed by anything coming out of VW Group.

Admittedly VW makes more EV models than anyone else. Unfortunately they don’t produce any in volume other than concept cars, and the volume model in the States is the E-Golf and thats it. Whatever its strengths it is still a very much “Me Too!” model.

Tesla has a strong tendency to over stress their parts (Nema 14-50 plug, Roadster UMC, Roadster suspension and tires, (it got so bad TESLA asked ME what tires I used for replacement on the roadster since theirs were just exactly the same as with the 1000 pound lighter Elise, and in a Roadster, they are hopelessly overloaded), S gearbox, anything door related on any model) – so you’d think it would be a cinch for any manufacturer to beat it in reliability.

GM makes the grade there, but their main performance vehicle, the Corvette, apparently doesn’t have any electrification plans.