Porsche Cross Turismo Gains 250 Miles Of Range On 15-Minute Charge

MAR 9 2018 BY ADRIAN PADEANU 37

Recharging the battery for a little over 15 minutes is enough for a range of about 250 miles.

It’s safe to say the Volkswagen Group has its fair share of lifted rugged wagons, starting with the Skoda Octavia Scout, continuing with the fancier Volkswagen Golf and Passat Alltrack, and ending with the premium Audi A4 and A6 Allroad.

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We’ve heard through the grape vine the German automotive conglomerate will add another member to that list at the beginning of the next decade when the Mission E Cross Turismo concept will morph into a production model.

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In fact, Porsche strongly hinted during the showcar’s reveal earlier this week in Geneva that a road-going counterpart is on the agenda. Now, the company has released a collection of four videos providing us with a closer look at what will essentially become a more versatile version of Mission E sedan due to be launched at some point in 2019.

Unlike those jacked-up wagons powered by combustion engines, the Cross Turismo will be entirely electric, and since Porsche has made the promise the sedan will largely carry over the concept’s technical specifications, it should be the same story with its outdoorsy cousin. The two will share the same 800-volt architecture and an electric powertrain with a combined output of more than 600 horsepower (440 kilowatts).

In the case of the Cross Turismo, the zero-emissions system will have enough electric muscle for a sprint to 62 mph (100 kph) in less than 3.5 seconds and a run to 124 mph (200 kph) from a standstill in under 12 seconds. Thanks to fast-charging capabilities, the battery pack will provide enough juice for approximately 250 miles (400 kilometers) after roughly 15 minutes of charge. It’s important to mention that range is according to the soon-to-be-obsolete New European Driving Cycle (NEDC) and we all know that’s not exactly accurate. With the lithium-ion battery fully charged, Porsche is promising a range of more than 310 miles (500 km), also based on NEDC.

In regards to styling, we’re not expecting any major changes on the outside as the Mission E Cross Turismo doesn’t look all that concept-y. Perhaps bigger modifications will occur inside the cabin, but even that is likely similar to what the road-going car will have.

If the rumors will come true, you’ll be able to buy the electric lifted wagon starting with 2021.

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37 Comments on "Porsche Cross Turismo Gains 250 Miles Of Range On 15-Minute Charge"

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Would be cool. Model 3 adds about 115 EPA miles in 15 minutes which may be 166 NEDC miles (scaling by Nissan leafs 107 epa being 155 nedc) which is quite a bit less than the 250 claimed here.

Will be interesting to see what Elon has up his sleeve in this regard besides thousands of superchargers deployed worldwide.

I don’t know where you get you information, but the Model 3 can’t charge 115 miles in 15 minutes – maybe in 30 minutes.

TonyWilliams recorded some data from a Model 3 charging session in this post: teslamotorsclub(dot)com/tmc/threads/supercharger-speed-116kw(dot)107619/

He actually added 125 rated miles in the first 15 minutes.

Model S can do 130 in 30min. So, I’d believe a car ~25% more efficient may be able to break 100, in 15. It requires ideal temps, an almost empty battery, and perhaps 115-135KW.

To gross-up to NEDC, does one divide by .625 like they would to equate with the typical EPA rating?

Per Tesla…
Long range Supercharging rate: 170 miles of range per 30 minutes

Standard range Supercharging rate: 130 miles of range per 30 minutes

So you might get 115 miles on a near emptying battery. But to get to 170 miles it’s going to take another 15 minutes to add only 55 miles.

Tony Williams was able to add more than 190 miles of range on his Model 3 in 30 minutes so it appears that Tesla is underselling the Model 3 charging speed a bit. This seems reasonable because the Model 3 has the same peak charging power as a Model S, but it goes farther on each kWh.

Optimal charging speed does require a nearly empty battery. I’m sure Porche’s charging speed claim also refers to charging speed when starting with a nearly empty battery.

What makes you think that the Model3 charge rate is vehicle limited and not existing super charger limited?

Facts, science and every charging chart that has ever been made for a Model 3 (or any other Tesla for that matter).

Only ignorance and a weak mind would make anyone thinking otherwise.

Links?

oOOooo I’m excited to see any data you have on a model3 charging on a DC charging system that is better than existing superchargers…

I have yet to see any supercharger in Africa. CCS will obviously be the universal standard. Tesla might as well abandon supercharging worldwide and just focus on their infrastructure in USA

There are so many claims of exceptional performance coming out of VW group. It would be great if they were true, but I am suspicious about whether they are just trying to buy time with a full-on FUD campaign. I can’t see them outperforming Tesla/Nissan/GM with essentially no experience in EVs. It can’t be that easy

2015 VW eGolf ? Not a grounds-up EV design, but wasnt bad at its time. I had it for 3 years before replacing with Tesla Model 3.

No experience? Think again. Porsche has been developing EV technology in-house for the past 10 years at least, longer than the Tesla S production. And they are the only mainstream manufacturer who has proven victorious in ultra high speed durability competitions (World Endurance Champions) using electric hybrid drive in their awesome 919 for the last three years running – they are the current champions. And you ain’t seen nothing yet. Porsche does not play the game to come second in anything.

Tesla Roadster 2.

Mic Drop!

I know that Porsche is building Mission E with a higher pack voltage, but what I don’t know is what they are doing with the waste heat on this rate of charge. Can’t wait to see what all this in-house development will turn into, considering the iPace tops out at 50 or 100 kW DC for its charger (presently). I can’t make sense of this:
https://www.jaguarusa.com/all-models/i-pace/electric-vehicles/index.html

The only thing that’s clear is that “Jaguar is not developing a charging infrastructure” they are going to “ensure compatibility with national infrastructure.”

And Mercedes releases the Ironity 3D animation, not an actual charging infrastructure, but artwork.

So… I don’t care a lick about what Porsche says it can do until people other than Porsche are doing it, and I wouldn’t buy a Porsche until said 2nd-gen DC fast chargers actually exist outside of Humbug, Germany.

Waste heat = resistance. 800v requires less conductor = less resistance for a given wattage. Not sure heat necessarily goes up with watts?

I think BEVs may be able to keep their heads high on actual circular race tracks, about 2020. The Roadster 2 is as vapor, in terms of this setting, as any electric car in VW’s press circuit.

Porsche successfully developed and employed their own unique waste/exhaust gas energy recapture system in their 919 to convert/regen to usable electric energy. Typically for Porsche, They didn’t wait for others to do it first… You may be inclined to wait for others, but not Porsche – the stakes are too high for them.

“Porsche has been developing EV technology in-house for the past 10 years at least, longer than the Tesla S production.”

The original Tesla Roadster went into production in 2008, with the EV powertrain including battery pack made by Tesla.

How quickly we forget! 😉

“And they are the only mainstream manufacturer who has proven victorious in ultra high speed durability competitions (World Endurance Champions) using electric hybrid drive in their awesome 919 for the last three years running – they are the current champions…”

Nothing you’ve said there would suggest to me that Porsche has battery tech which allows them to charge their battery packs faster than Tesla cars without premature aging.

On the racing circuits, cars are often or usually subjected to wear-and-tear far greater than cars used as ordinary passenger service. Porsche might well accept a ruinously high rate of capacity loss for fast-charging on the racing circuit, simply accepting they’ll have to replace the battery pack periodically.

I can see the line up at the Porsche Dealers

How’s the battery warranty? The faster you charge, the shorter the battery life. If the battery gets lifetime warranty, that’ll be good.

Will the 800V battery system still be able to charge on the 400V system? I’m assuming it will, but if it can’t then that really will limit the available charge options.

Is this child’s play now? Give me a break! I can charge 500 miles in 5 minutes!

That’s really the key question.

It’s not hard to double the pack voltage and therefore double charging speeds. But if it’s not backwards compatible with <500V chargers, that'd be a big drawback.

In order to use a 400 V fast charger, you’d need quite a hefty DC-DC converter in the car.

As far as I’m familiar with fast chargers, the whole idea is to keep the expensive and heavy electronics out of the car. So they connect to the battery directly and the car communicates with the charger to dictate how many Volts and Ampères it wants.

Maybe they add a smaller one (say, max 50 kW) for emergency fast charging on old chargers, but I guess this car is only suitable for CCS 2.0 and beyond.

I’ve been wondering about this exact detail since they first announced the step up to 800V, and have been keeping my eyes peeled for any details, haven’t seen anything yet. DCDC converter is one option, another would be if they essentially have two 400V battery packs and a good way to reconfigure them between series and parallel. Seems like a bit of a stretch, and they might have decided the complexity isn’t worth it. That would be a shame, because it would add yet another complexity to the map of charging stations with different connectors, etc.

Yes it will. Already confirmed by Porsche. Also the CCS standard requires backwards compatibility.

Soon-to-be-obsolete NEDC? It has been discontinued since October 2017. Yet North American journalists still insist on labeling any range ratings coming out of Europe as if it is NEDC. Do you honestly think those future models coming out of Europe would be based on the already-obsolete NEDC? Pathetic fake news.

No. NEDC is ordered to be used by dealers and manufacturers and in all public information until the end of 2018 by the organization changing it into WLTP.

It’s silly but it is supposed to reduce the confusion until all models have received their WLTP rating before anyone starts to use it.

So we have another 10 months of seeing those useless NEDC numbers.

The point is, those future models from Porsche and other European manufacturers are post-2018 models, and the NEDC numbers are not applicable to them, and the manufacturers have been careful to specify if otherwise applicable. In the absence of such specifics from the manufacturer, it is incumbent upon journalists to not assume the worse and mislead their readership.

Fake news! BEV is so commonplace now, I want nothing short of a flying BEA

I wish the front end dropped lower. That’s where the production contrast shows, IMO. The Mission E prototype, assuming it too goes “Panamera”, could take on this more ho-hum look. The slits at the rearward edge of the front quarter panels, also crude/unrefined.

It probably has to have the high hood to meet the European pedestrian accident regs. Gone are the Porsche pontoons sadly. Not that I’m insensitive to pedestrian safety, I hate thick A-pillars and overly raked windscreens in part because they make it more difficult to see peds.

Excuse me but I must say this car is fully!!
It’s like a mutation ninja turtle.

I meant fugly!

When you are the only one who has issue with the looks of this wunder-car, perhaps it’s time to question your own judgement in these matters?