Polestar 2 EV Debuts With Estimated 275-Mile Range

FEB 27 2019 BY STEVEN LOVEDAY 216

All-electric Polestar 2 will start around $45,000 and offer about 275 miles of range based on the EPA cycle.

We often joke about Tesla killers or Tesla fighters. However, there’s not much truth to either as proven by the incredible success of the Tesla Model 3 as compared to any potential rivals. Not to mention that the Model S and Model X don’t really even have direct competitors that have proven much of anything in terms of sales. Finally, another small, sporty all-electric car will come to market as a true Model 3 rival. Volvo is releasing the car from its former performance sub-brand, Polestar.

According to the automaker, the car will start at 39,900 Euros, about $45,400 USD. However, a launch edition will set you back some 59,900 euros ($68,200). The special launch edition will be available for the first year of Polestar 2 production. The upcoming entrant will be manufactured in China and available in 2020. Meanwhile, Polestar already has plans to take it on a worldwide marketing tour beginning next month.

The Polestar 2 comes as the first mainstream offering from the Volvo sub-brand. Polestar 1 precedes it, however, it’s limited to 500 pricey copies (starting at $155,000). In addition, Polestar 1 is a plug-in hybrid electric vehicle, rather than a battery-electric car. Chief Executive Officer of Polestar Thomas Ingenlath shares:

Polestar 2 is our first fully electric car and first volume model. Everything about it has been designed and engineered with passion and dedication. As an electric performance brand, and through the forthcoming launch of a portfolio of fully electric cars, Polestar is determined to address the world’s air quality challenges. Polestar delivers electric performance cars that are great to own and drive.

The Polestar 2 boasts over 400 horsepower, and a zero-to-62-mph time of 5 seconds. It features two electric motors (standard all-wheel drive) and a 78 kWh battery pack, churning out 660 Nm (487 pound-feet of torque). Polestar notes that it’s one of the first cars to offer a standard infotainment system that’s centered around Android Auto, which comes as an option in many cars and is not available in any of Tesla’s vehicles.

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Check out the entire press release below:

Polestar reveals new Polestar 2

Polestar has taken the next step in its development as the electric performance brand with the reveal of the new Polestar 2. Polestar 2 is the new all-electric fastback that brings electric performance cars to a broader and increasingly progressive audience. It offers avant-garde design and a unique customer experience in the premium compact electric segment. Polestar 2 is the first electric car to compete in the marketplace around the Tesla Model 3, with the range starting at a guide price of 39,900 euros. For the first 12 months of production, guide price of the launch edition is 59,900 euros1.

“Polestar 2 is our first fully electric car and first volume model. Everything about it has been designed and engineered with passion and dedication. As an electric performance brand, and through the forthcoming launch of a portfolio of fully electric cars, Polestar is determined to address the world’s air quality challenges. Polestar delivers electric performance cars that are great to own and drive,” says Thomas Ingenlath, Chief Executive Officer of Polestar.

Polestar 2 is a premium five-door fastback with two electric motors and a 78 kWh battery capacity2 that will enable a targeted range of 500 km3, based on Volvo Car Group’s adaptable Compact Modular Architecture platform (CMA). The 27-module battery pack is integrated into the floor and contributes to the rigidity of the chassis as well as improves the car’s noise, vibration and harshness (NVH) levels – road noise has been reduced by 3.7 dB compared to a traditional chassis.

Polestar will answer the important question of charging Polestar 2 with a smart, convenient and extensive approach. With a connected digital solution available both in-car and on mobile devices, Polestar is setting up strategic collaborations to give Polestar 2 owners easy and hassle-free access to the world’s largest public charging networks.

For Polestar, performance underlies the entire driving experience. The all-wheel drive electric powertrain in Polestar 2 produces 300 kW (408 hp) and 660 Nm (487 lb-ft). This translates to a 0-100 km/h acceleration time of less than 5 seconds.

The standard dynamic chassis can be enhanced by the Performance Pack that improves driving dynamics with Öhlins dampers, Brembo brakes and unique 20-inch forged wheels. Polestar’s signature gold seat belts, brake callipers and valve caps complete the performance visuals.

Highlighting the technology spearhead role that Polestar plays within the Volvo Car Group, Polestar 2 is one of the first cars in the world to embed an infotainment system powered by Android. The Android backbone provides a solid and adaptable digital environment for apps and vehicle functions to coexist, and brings embedded Google services to a car for the first time – including the Google Assistant, Google Maps with support for electric vehicles and the Google Play Store5. Natural voice control and a new 11-inch touch screen display bring the new interface to life.

Phone-as-Key technology enables car sharing and a more integrated ownership experience, as well as Polestar’s connected services such as pick-up and delivery. It also allows Polestar 2 to sense the driver upon approach. Smart features like enlarged graphics in the instrument cluster allow the driver to easily see the charging status and range before entering the car. Polestar 2 can also predetermine the driver’s next move to create a seamless experience with a prepared cabin and quick start sequence.

Maximilian Missoni, head of Design at Polestar, comments: “We decided to bring something different to the segment. Our avant-garde design has evolved from Polestar 1 into an edgier, bolder statement. We have also designed a standard vegan interior with progressive textiles that will appeal to the forward-thinking audience who will subscribe to Polestar 2.”

Design-led features include Pixel LED headlights4 and proximity lighting which enable a unique welcome sequence, Polestar’s now-signature frameless side mirrors and the unique illuminated Polestar logo, which is reflected onto the car’s panoramic glass roof.

In common with all Polestar cars, Polestar 2 will only be available for ordering online. The guide purchase price for the launch version of Polestar 2 is 59,900 euros1 with subscription pricing to follow at a later date. Pre-orders are open at polestar.com. Production of Polestar 2 begins in early 2020 in China for global markets in both left- and right-hand drive.

Polestar 2 will make its first public appearance at the 2019 Geneva International Motor Show in March, and then embark on a global roadshow in Europe, North America and China throughout 2019. Polestar 2 will also be available in a network of soon-to-be-opened Polestar Spaces that will provide physical viewing and test drive opportunities.

Initial launch markets include China, the United States, Canada, Belgium, Germany, the Netherlands, Norway, Sweden and the UK. Other markets are under consideration for future expansion.

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Notes to editors:
1. Guide pricing:
EUR: 39,900-59,900 based on the German market and local taxes;
USD: 63,000 for the launch edition. Less the federal incentive of 7,500 USD = 55,500 USD for the launch edition;
RMB: pricing in China will be announced at a later date.
2. China: 72 kWh.
3. Targeted 500 km range on WLTP (Europe) and NEDC (China) test cycles. Targeted 275 miles EPA (US).
4. Standard LED headlights fitted in US and Canada (legislation restrictions).
5. Google, Google Maps, Google Play and other related marks and logos are trademarks of Google LLC.

About Polestar

Polestar is the electric performance car brand jointly owned by Volvo Car Group and Zhejiang Geely Holding. Polestar enjoys specific technological and engineering synergies with Volvo Cars and benefits from significant economies of scale as a result. This facilitates the successful design, development and production of separately-branded, electric performance cars.

Polestar launched in 2017 with the Polestar 1 – a low-volume Electric Performance Hybrid GT with 600 hp, 1,000 Nm and an electric-only range of 150 km – the longest of any hybrid car in the world. In 2019, the Polestar 2 was revealed as the company’s first full electric, higher volume premium car designed to compete around the Tesla Model 3. In the future, Polestar 3 will join the portfolio as a fully electric performance SUV.

Polestar also applies its technology and expertise to electrified Volvo cars. The Volvo S60 T8 Polestar Engineered features key Polestar components to create a sharper and more engaging driving experience. Polestar optimisation software upgrades are also available for Volvo models, which enhance six performance areas including engine output. Polestar Engineered media information can be found on the Volvo Cars media website.

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Design is reminiscent of a Scion.

It is really nice looking, slightly less sedan like, I think it will appeal well to US buyers.

Personally, I’m not a fan of how it looks, but the rest looks good and I hope they can produce it in decent numbers.

Looks like a Camaro. No hatchback which is minus mark. It’s two years away so…thanks for the headline.

Actually, it is a hatchback. See here https://youtu.be/-kDCUBuWZ6w?t=4237

It is a fastback with a hatch opening, which has auto-close.

Great that it’s a hatchback. I hope it has a flat floor with the back seat(s) down. Great that they made a car though this can certainly morph into a crossover and I bet it will. Now all they have to do is pull this off in a timely manner.

It looks a lot like the Volvo 40.2 concept from about 3 years ago, so I would suspect to see a Polestar EV CUV based on 40.1 concept.

https://insideevs.com/new-volvo-40-series-to-get-plug-in-hybrid-and-pure-electric-versions/

This should become the first Volvo BEV, the XC40.

I wouldn’t be surprised to see a Polestar version either, that Polestar 2 looks nearly identical to the 40.2, maybe an S40 EV version as well?

Isn’t that great!!
I really missed those strong Saab body’s

bodies

Too bulky. Never liked saabs.

The first thing I thought was the 2010 Dodge Avenger. It is a less elegant design(especially front and back end) than Tesla models and the new Volvo models as well and looks heavier, more ICE than an EV should. The design looks like it’s from 2010 and more consumer brand and less premium/luxury brand which is where it’s price starting at $45k.

It’s like automakers lose their minds when they have to design an EV. No ICE automaker who wanted to offer a $60k + sedan would come up with this design, it would look premium/luxury, but as an EV they get lost.

It’s an electric sedan, but no competition(design/performance/technology) for the Model 3.

I really wanted it to be better.

To be fair, I mistook dark colored Dodge Darts as Model 3s before there were many Model 3s around.

Model 3 does have a rather bland face and wish an update will add a smaller version of the Model S front grille. The 2 is a good looking car, it’s just for its price range being available in 2020(?) it should look like the future of automotive design, not reminiscent of 10 years in the past. The average person that looks at the 2 will think it’s just another ICE sedan. I think this design comes from the consistent ICE manufacturer mindset that an EV is just the same ole ICE car with a different drivetrain. When the purpose-built EV is an evolution of design and drivetrain/technology. This revelation is what sent the German automakers back to the drawing boards when they saw the design/production/technological evolution of the Model 3. Because their first EVs are just EV retrofits for ICE vehicles still. Volvo is clearly in the same situation. They should really stop mentioning Model 3 in their marketing and let their EV stand on its own without being overshadowed by Tesla’s clear lead in the EV industry. This looks like another half attempt at an EV where the manufacturer is only expecting sales around 1 to 2k monthly.… Read more »

Disagree completely. I am really excited by this, and Volvo seems to be the first Legacy company to get what Tesla was doing (VW to some extent, will see what pans out from ID line). Legacy companies need to start a new brand, market in a similar manner to Tesla, OTA updates, get rid of franchise dealership model, offer compelling performance, nice car, great interior, etc.

Model 3 looks great from the front, except it has bland lights. It needs brighter LED DRL’s to have a presence like nosecone Model S’s.

From most people’s perspective, it is better looking externally than any Teslas (not that aesthetics is the most important consideration).

agree. Why did they not keep with their current styling? While not great, the Chinese Volvo’s design is recognizable.

If anything, that design will probably provide a more comfortable interior than the model 3. The backseat of that car is decent at best, meanwhile the Polestar 2 has a taller roof line. And who says that going electric means you have to come up with some weird, otherworldly exterior design? If anything, it’s designs like that that prevent some people from choosing an electric car. Not everyone likes a radical exterior shape , and for those people, the Polestar 2 is perfect.

Saab?

The styling would have been very recognizable for a Saab. Maybe Geely’s styling department didn’t get the memo that they needed to copy Volvo styling cues, not Saab’s.

That is pure BS because this is a slight variation of a 3 year old Volvo concept.

Which somehow makes it impossible that it looks like a Saab? Talk about pure BS.

Where do you think they worked before they started at Volvo, this is probably the only roofline they know how to do 😉

Watched the debut show and I couldn’t stop appreciating how much of Tesla is in this vehicle. In fact I felt this is a Tesla with a different body shape with NO AUTO PILOT.
Don’t get me wrong, am very happy that the electric car enthusiasts with more options, but am very happy that Elon Musk and his team has thought all of this some 5 years ago. It gives me much more confidence of owning the Tesla Model 3

I like that they made smarter decisions with the battery pack design. Skateboard battery packs are maybe cheapest to make, but this slightly modified pack puts batteries where you don’t need space under the seats and gives you back a lot of leg room, especially in the rear (A complaint with Model 3 is low back seat, high floor).

Volvo already has a autopilot system (Pilot Assist). I suspect Tesla EAP will outperform it, but not sure. Depends on how Volvo handles updates to this and such. The question is if the Volvo system will be good enough or not.

Wins for Volvo: Android Auto, Google Assistant, Adaptive Laser headlights
Tesla: Supercharger network, EAP/FSD (possibly, but not certain)

This has definitely moved to my list of vehicles to look at. Price will definitely be a factor and specs of lower model cars. I assume things like adaptive headlights will be on more expensive models.

Other win for Tesla is easy 50 state availability, this is California only 🙁

Edit: It looks like it will let me place a deposit with my IA address, but not sure how delivery would work. I will have to wait until 2020 and see what they plan on doing, maybe offer it in other states later. Service could be a nightmare otherwise.

PS, I mean it is easy to get and service a Tesla in more states, I shouldn’t say 50 state available. In 48 states at least there is probably a Tesla dealer within a few hours drive.

There are no Tesla „dealers“.

There are places that sell Tesla cars. If you want to call those retail outlets instead of dealers, that is semantics.

should tell that to these states then?
Michigan (also bans service centers)

Texas

Connecticut

Oklahoma

Louisiana

Nebraska

Wisconsin

West Virginia

New Mexico (also bans service centers)

Alabama (also bans service centers)

South Carolina (also bans service centers)

A lot of those are close to areas where you can drive and buy one in a different state. Iowa is that way. I can buy it in Chicago and have them deliver it to my house. Not an issue even though they aren’t sold in Iowa. I suspect as Tesla gets more popular those laws will get overturned quickly.

They don’t sell anything, they only advise & offer test drives. Everything is ordered & purchased online, even in their “galleries”.

i’m pretty sure volvo doesn’t sells in california only. I will be very likely sold in sweden, norway, germany, france, … too

Do you have any link to the battery shape? I’ve been searching for a while and couldn’t find anything. I agree with you that having no battery under the rear footwells is something Tesla should aspire to in future generations, especially for fastbacks.

It is in the video intro, when they show car, don’t remember exact point, similar to skateboard but move some modules from feet areas to center and below seats

Okay, of the 46:42 video, the battery is roughly 9:30 to 11:30
https://insideevs.com/2020-polestar-2-livestream/

Thanks, but I now retract my praise. They’re doing the tunnel thing like the Volt, making the middle seat awful and losing center console space to get slightly more foot room for the other seats.

Not really an improvement over the Model 3, IMO. But hatch is nice.

It is really nothing like the Volt, watch video, it sticks up no more than RWD driveshaft tunnel. Nothing as large as Volt.

I agree. This is no Tesla killer. I do not see one area that the a Model 3 is not better.

My personal opinion is that the Polestar 2 has nicer interior design, nicer exterior design, better technology that is not EAP (Adaptive pixel headlights, Android Auto, etc). We will have to see how well OTA updates work for this (can they update safety systems or only entertainment systems, etc).

Tesla has a definite win of Supercharger network (bigger, but Polestar charges at 150 kW according to their site), and maybe EAP (remains to be seen how good Volvo Pilot Assist is in this car). Remember that Tesla is not the only one developing EAP, but I do think they will upgrade it more, especially after purchase. Unclear what Volvo will do here.

And far better quality fabrication, and the 5th door. In Europe the advantage for the big agency net is another strong point.
But we don’t must forget that all ICE makers have production problems. No one is capable to made enough cars for the demand. If this Polestar has the same problems than Mercedes, Audi… Tesla can retain its advantage for more time.

Model Y will have the 5th door and launch in California before Polestar 2 arrives.

Polestar 2 will likely arrive to Europe a few months before Model Y.

The benefit I see to Model Y is it will launch in places other than CA, where the Polestar is only indicated in CA. So Model Y or VW ID Crozz most likely for me, but see what availability looks like.

You think Model Y will be reaching actual customers in early 2020? Seems unlikely. I’d bet Polestar will be delivering more P2’s to customers than Tesla will be delivering Y’s in the first half of 2020.

That’s a pretty limited window. The EQC, eTron, and IPace are all in a similar situation, IMO. Once the Y comes out, they all look overpriced.

At least the Polestar 2 is aiming for better pricing after the first year.

Polestar is coming to CA in 2020. No sign of when Model Y is coming. Model Y is going to be more CUV like, I suspect. While Polestar 2 seems to be an “elevated sedan”.

Polestar/Volvo/Geely have ownership of a „Chinesified“ battery factory that qualifies those car for Chinese incentives even if the technology is licencesed from a Korean company, IIRC.
Some bending of the rules, but legalized.

Not clear that “up to 150 kW” actually means 150 kW. We’ll have to see.

I think it means base model will be less and 78 kWh model will be 150 kW. I think it also means if you charge on 50 kW charger you won’t get rated rate either. That is roughly 2C charging, so if they come out with a 50 kWh model it might charge at only 100 kW or so. Model 3 is similar in this regard.

More charitably, it just means it can charge at 150kW in the right circumstances. So likely 150kW up to 75% before it tapers down, or similar.

” (bigger, but Polestar charges at 150 kW according to their site),”

Ok,tell me how many 150kW chargers there are,In Europe there are about a handful and in the US…….Well even less than Europe.

We will also need to see that it can REALLY charge at 150kW

Ionity is pretty widespread in Europe and expanding quickly. Their chargers are minimum 175 kw and up to 350 kw

How is Volvo’s tech better, when they get less range from a larger battery?

Then open the trunk, please.

It’s nice alternative to the Model 3. Just as Hyundai listened to all the things some people didn’t like about the Bolt, Polestar listed to all the things some people don’t like about the Model 3. Good looking car inside and out. Competitive price. Nice package overall.

However, it’s a Chinese car made in China. No sale for me. I’d take the Model 3 over this for that reason alone.

Good point. I think the fact that Tesla is an American Product with batteries made in the US and with US labor is often swept under the rug. With the ubiquitous hatred of Tesla from all sides other that the minority of us that support the brand, I find it oddly silent from the trolls and haters how the Tesla line is an innovative product, made in the US, has changed the parameters of automotive technology and is headed up by an immigrant to the US.

An immigrant threatening Big Oil, let me see… build that wall!

Most people in the world don’t live in the US, and would probably prefer their goods weren’t made in the US.

This may be very true. I was posting from an American perspective.

But would most people in the world (outside of China) prefer to buy from China or the US?
While the US is far from perfect, we are still a democracy with a decent civil rights record. Our environmental laws are 2nd class to Europe but at least we are better than China (by only some measures admittedly).

Chinese factry is good for us Europeans, because it means no surprising crazy tariffs suddenly imposed by his orangeness.

Wait a sec, his orangeness is a problem but he won’t be issuing tariffs on exports anytime soon….. Semantics perhaps but still…

Model 3 and Model Y will soon be made in China.

They will, but also in US still. China made Teslas will be for Asian markets.

Looks like they took a lot of cues from Tesla. Skateboard battery, big integrated touchscreen, online pre-orders, special launch and performance editions, showroom stores, etc. And pricing comparable to Model 3. Good luck, Polestar!

No, they didn’t take a skateboard battery, they made a modified version with smarter design that leaves space for rear feet. One of the big drawbacks of skateboard is the high floor.

they have a transmission tunnel in the middle of the rear seats. That is not acceptable in my opinion. you will have less space than in the Model 3 for sure in the back given the shorter wheelbase + the useless tunnel

People rarely sit in the middle anyway. Give me the rear foot room for the common passengers. Model 3 is too narrow to comfortably fit 3 across anyway, so kind of useless to have the extra space on the floor there.

Your opinion only. I love the flat floor in the rear of Model 3 – I’m way more comfortable in my 100,nnn VIN 3 than I am in my Leaf. Works better for kids too, easier to get 3 across with boosters. Also, they made a lot of usable space with that centre console; the taper allows foot room in rear seat, and I often use that nice deep cubby in the front. I’m happy it is there.

I am not saying one is strictly better than the other, just consider that one isn’t unilaterally better. I like the fact Volvo made the tradeoff of extra foot space for outboard customers at expense to some loss of space in center “Transmission Tunnel” area. I like having that center free, but if it means more foot room for outboard passengers I might be fine with that. I get tired of fanboys saying that skateboard battery is the only way to go. Volvo clearly shows that a modified skateboard design could work well too.

The rear of the Model 3 is tight. I could barely fit three 15/16 year olds in the back seat.

Are they VIking children?

That you’re getting downvoted for such an eminently sensible comment is hilarious. The middle seat in the rear of any car is absolutely the seat of last resort. Giving up foot space there to improve the comfort of the seats that are more frequently occupied is 100% the correct decision.

I should add, Tesla ineffectively uses the “transmission tunnel” space in front with console. People like consoles in between front seats, and you don’t need the console storage going all the way to the floor, so the interior designer fills it up anyway. Might as well place battery there.

Shorter wheelbase may or may not be an issue, will have to sit and see.

Finally an EV I really like. Looks great outside, but the inside is miles ahead of anything Tesla.

Agree, my favorite styled EV sedan to date, and feature set looks wonderful.

Miles? Lol…is it the color seat belts?
Seriously, it’s nice that they copied the big screen design from Tesla…they all should.

Following your thought, the Tesla copied the first electric car because is electric, has seats and 4 wheels. Is ridiculous, most of cars have lot of similar things. In my opinion the interior of this Polestar is far, far better than Tesla ones, if it’s a copy, I don’t want the original.

Far better how? They used better lighting when they took the photos? It’s fine to like whatever you want, I’m just pointing out the obvious. As i said, it is definitely a plus that they went with the big screen…and yes, Tesla is not the original ev either…happy?

Physical controls, a binnacle, fabric seats, Android operating system, to start with. Honestly, Tesla interiors aren’t anything to write home about unless minimalism is the only thing you’re interested in. But if you compare them to the interior of any other premium vehicle it’s pretty clear they are woefully inadequate. Polestar misses a few features, but it’s a lot closer to premium than Tesla.

But they put manually air vents behind the big screen. How does that work?!

I like that they went with a similar modern interior approach with less button clutter.

The added driver side HUD is nice too, though I would have to try the car out to see if I prefer that over the nice sensation of a wide open viewing space afforded by its absence from the Model 3.

Ideally I would love to see a Model 3-like clutter free front view + a clear holographic or augmented reality HUD implementation some day when the technology is mature enough.

I’m a fan of the outside, inside looks OK, not a fan of Google running the UIs.

If it does come in at 45k or so, its a good slot in the middle of the upper and lower range Tesla Model 3s.

So extrapolating from known pricing the base model would be:

63000/59900*39900-7500 = US$34465 after EV credit

So less than $35k 😉

Actually cheaper. They announced pricing for the German market, so 19% sales taxes are included, plus higher marketing costs etc.

In comparison, the LR AWD Model 3 starts from 56k€ in Germany.

So I’d say less than $37k in the US, befrore incentives. And the launch edition will therefore also be cheaper I guess 50k, or so.

Edit: Meant to say $55k or less for the fully equipped launch version.

You forgot to include gas savings in the price 🙂

Another Euro point of view

Yes exactly, thought so too. I now do that with my pair of trousers too, because you see, if I fail to put them on in the morning I would likely get fired from my job. So they actually make me win my monthly salary. That makes them incredibly cheap to buy.

I love Volvo, but model 3 will have been under production for 3 years by the time this begins manufacturing in 2020

For the same price you can buy the Tesla Model 3 and skip the ICE car rental when you want to drive someplace outside your city.

According to the website, https://www.polestar.com/us/cars/polestar-2 this has 150 kW DC charging, so faster than Model 3. Electrify America network should be well established by then with an array of 150 kW and 350 kW DC chargers. As long as they get them working reliably. They have a year or two.

That’s my first question to all these new “Tesla killers” (excluding those with price tag below 25k): how many DC charging stalls, total, between SF and LA, there are, and what expectation for charging/waiting time is .

I will believe it when i see it. I was waiting for decent non-Tesla long distance DC travel since 2013. hasn’t happened yet. Not in speed. Not in availablility. Not in coverage. When Electrify America catches ups in number of stalls to SC on the route (which i would guess is a decade away or so, since WV fine money will run out before that happens, while Tesla is adding stalls as we speak as well), and even then i bet we’ll have longer waiting times there due to a glut of 50kw-only capable evs taking longer stops there.

10-15 years later… sure, we can revisit the issue then. But unless all goes to wrack and ruin, i will likely be cruising the world by then, and the car choice priorities will go back to where they belong: right next to choosing a pair of sneakers.

Well, let’s see, shall we. LA to SF, I-5 corridor. Which is what I almost always take. Going to Plugshare filters. For this car, we are talking CCS/SAE. consider 50 kw only (24kw is a bad joke born inside some sadistic mind), with plugshare score >= 5 (which means there’s at least better than 50% chance that they are online vs. broken down). To this very time of writing, i can see only one (1!) SAE location in the I-5 corridor that has 3 (!) Chargepoint 50kw plugs, in the middle near Coalinga where it really counts (there’s another similar location near Los Banos, but it’s too close to Bay Area to be critical for the trip). Because we are at 50kw, charging say 64kw Bolt battery even to 80% perhaps takes an hour, maybe more. So the total SAE cars throughput of I-5 as it stands for SAE cars is at best 3 cars/hr, which is also shared with Chademo cars, since the stations are dual mode. Now perhaps ask yourself a question: would you buy a $60k car with 3 cars/hr interstate travel throughput knowing that this situation has not materially changed in the past 6 or so… Read more »

I would expect major changes to that corridor by the time this launches, if not, you are right, I wouldn’t buy. Honestly, I don’t care about that Corridor, but more I-80 in the midwest and some SE interstates.

Network will definitely play into my next car purchase, but I am expecting a lot of change in CCS by the time I buy my next car.

Well. We’ll see. The reason i am dubious is that I bought my first CCS car in 2014 thinking exactly the same, telling myself, look, with ChargePoint and EvGo ramping up, in 3 years we sure will be in the game. EVGO being found in a similar situation to EA having a settlement with the State to set up the CCS network in the sate.

Not to say EVGO did not follow up, it really set up a lot of locations, but again, it is almost invariably 1 or 2 plugs, and remains limited mostly to urban areas, where L2 charging is almost always enough for me. To this day, urban areas including, afaict absolute maximum number of CCS plug per location remains far less than the first quartile of plugs per SC location.

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Model 3 will charge faster or as fast in 2020 that’s a fact. They already charges 125kw on some ccs chargers here in Europe.

Not according to specs. You might be right, but they haven’t said it will so I wouldn’t count on it. I would plan on it getting 170 miles in 30 minutes as advertised.

Which does not matter if you do not need a car before then.

This is where I am, was looking at Model Y and VW ID Crozz (whatever final name is), but this is now on the list as long as it moves beyond California only sales (which they mentioned CA only in their reveal video).

I don’t know. If I want to buy a Model 3 in USA, how many time I’ll be wating?. And in Europe?.

Wow you stole my user name – nice

Hm, 11% less WLTP range than the Model 3 AWD.
Afraid most of the difference comes from the highway part of the test cycle. And the P2 is 5cm narrower….
Hm.

The interior is very nice. Very.
And the P3 is the hatchback the M3 should have been.

Less range than Model 3 AWD, but also costs less. Or eventually will. Probably.

It will not cost less since the P2 is matching the 3 AWD, but NOT the 3Performance!

Still think they should have gone fo a more sports car, even race car front.
Volvo could not do that, Polestar would have had the possibility.

I’m with you. Looks are subjective, so its just an opinion. This seems “chunky” with a high ground clearance. Definitely not “sporty.” The interior looks very nice, though.

At $45K, and with availability, this would be a must buy for me. The most attractive EV (if the photos match the production version) so far in my opinion.

40K Euros for a car with 275 mile range??? TM3 SR will not sell for less than 40K, this is huge!!! This sounds too good to be true. Is there a catch or is it time for Tesla to build that factory in Europe and start cranking out those Model 3s and Ys…

that is not the case unfortunately. Specs for the entry level are not given, but the CEO hinted at lower range and not dual motors in the presentation.

Ok, thanks

In all reality, when Tesla model 3s are hammered out in communist China like this Volvo/Geely/Polestar whatever is going to be, you will likely see the mythical $35k TM3 hit the US shores. Whether anyone wants to buy it or not is still a question… But this car should provide those Volvo driving limousine liberals an EV to drive around in and look down their noses at the rest of us driving our American/Japanese/German cars. I’m just glad they will be driving an EV. I’d love to hear more about this so-called dominant charging network they are going to be a part of.

Another Euro point of view

Did not understand a word of what you wrote.

No wonder, you are a German. Germans a slow.

I am pretty fed up by people who speak only one language (however poorly) and try to belittle others.
English is not our mother tonge, so what? How good can you express yourself in Russian, French or German, little Andy boy?

Please step down from that high horse. You write a lot of words that say nothing in the end. Only that you don’t like Volvo/Polestar. I have never heard a Volvo driver look down upon a German brand, but the other way around is heard.
And which Charging network you ask? Well with the CCS plug you can choose from a whole bunch of them. Fastnet/Ionity to name the most known. But there are so many others here in Europe.

Some of the specs look off. 408hp and almost 500 lb-ft torque and a sub-5 sec0-60. I can’t wait to see this thing tested by one of the car magazines

Sub 5 seconds for 0 to 100 km/h. A 100 km is a 62.14 miles. There may be a delta of 0.3 second between the two.

Maximilian Missoni, head of Design at Polestar, comments: “We decided to bring something different to the segment. Our avant-garde design has evolved from Polestar 1 into an edgier, bolder statement. We have also designed a standard vegan interior with progressive textiles that will appeal to the forward-thinking audience who will subscribe to Polestar 2.”

Doesn’t Tesla already have a vegan interior option? Phone-as-key? Large touch screen display? Only available to order online? So the only thing “different to the segment” is the infotainment powered by Android.

He seems to be talking about the differences between the Polestar 1 and the Polestar 2…

Model 3 uses a polyurethane material whereas this uses premium textiles, including the availability of wool it seems.

Volvo already has that big display in their cars.

I think the design is very nice, especially the interior (big YES to vegan option standard!). If, in 1-1/2-2 years it is available to order in NY and if the charging infrastructure is making serious progress, then I will have a choice between this and Tesla Model 3, and I love choices.

Should be noted that the Tesla Model 3 is a MID SIZED while the Polestar is a COMPACT…

Not sure how you get that?

Polestar Will likely be listed as a midsize. It’s only slightly shorter than the Model 3.

Specifications
Polestar / Model 3
Length
181.4 in. / 185in
Height
58.2 in. / 56in
Width
73.2 in. / 73in
Wheelbase
107.7in. / 113.2in
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Peter Schreyer is flattered at the blatant Kia Optima stylistic cues.

Brembo brakes and Ohlins dampers are available! Do the same, Tesla!

Not in love with external design. Reminds me of a Dodge Charger.

Oh dear – 50K quid for a chinese auto that gets an eye-watering 275 miles (be still my heart) before ya pull over and have a cuppa whilst the batteries charge… All for the “privilege” of being an ecomentalist. That’s just daft – you can buy a 2nd hand Porsche for that and not ever have to charge a battery

Thanks for beating a dead horse with false equivalencies – geez

You could also do something completely different:
Brainswitch to position „1“ before posting.

Don’t post anything if you don’t like it, idiot.

Achilles heel is still no equivalent of Supercharging network. CCS that charges at half the speed just isn’t an equivalent. Especially considering that most CCS locations have way fewer stalls. Added to almost double the charging time and finding availability will be very frustrating. I know it’s gonna get me thumbs-down/fan boy comments-o-rama, but I’m just the messenger. Yeah, it’s a big deal.

The Polestar 2 charges at 150 kW, so faster than Model 3. VW should have fairly large Electrify America network in place when it launches that utilizes mostly 150 kW and 350 kW charging stalls. So if by slow CCS, you mean faster than superchargers, sure.

I didn’t say the speed at which the car is capable of charging. I’m talking about the network that the car charges on. The notional speed that an EV can charge means nothing without the mechanism to deliver it. THAT’S the other half of the equation. And until a network equal to or greater than the Supercharging network exists, then buying a car with money NOW for a charging network to be used at some unknown time in the FUTURE doesn’t make sense if the Supercharging network is available NOW. That’s what all non-Teslas are competing against.

Unfortunately folks get so eager to see Tesla knocked off their perch that they dismiss the part about actually having a viable competitor. And they also think that messengers are always blind followers, which isn’t always the case.

So people who bought Teslas 5 years ago shouldn’t have ?

5 years ago there was no DC option besides a limited Supercharging network. What’s your point? 5 years ago 200 mile cars were non-existent besides Teslas. Times change. There’s more options now. My point is that there’s still nothing better 5 years later than Tesla.

Can’t ignore vehicle efficiency in the case of charging! Eg e-Tron capable of 150kW, but it is 25% less efficient than Model X at highway speeds. That puts them about even in terms of range regained etc.

RE: Polestar “74KWh and 275 EPA miles” -this may seem reasonable as a proportion of Chevy and Hyundai, but wouldn’t we expect less range if the batteries come from the same lot or performance heft, as VWG, Jag?

Sorry, if I missed who makes the battery?

LG Chem: http://www.entrepreneur.com/article/329117
What’ll be interesting, then, is how much the “must have euro” crowd reaches for Polestar’s higher range?
First, the confirming EPA test.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

So go plug one in and show us today?

I went on EA’s locator and checked where they say a CCS is to charge and showed me where it is…..cool
Then cross referenced the same location on plugshare and shows it’s not even online yet…….great network there.

I am not saying it is great right now, I went to one of the first CCS stations, one by Electrify America, in Iowa this past weekend and none of the chargers worked so I had to drive my i3 back on gas. I think there was 2 350 kW chargers and 2 150 kW chargers and a Chademo plug. Point is there should be a good network in place when this car launches based on how much they are building out and a few years of improving the network, and the car would get my consideration in addition to Tesla, assuming the network is up and running reliably at that time. If it is still the garbage it is today I wouldn’t buy one.

You just made my point about charging networks.

Here in Austria they like to position the 359kw chargers right besides the SC.

Will the base model of the Polestar 2 (with the starting price of €39,900.-) be equipped with that 78 kWh battery pack?

“EUR: 39,900-59,900 based on the German market and local taxes;
USD: 63,000 for the launch edition. “

Seriously now, it says “German market and local taxes)…so that means $55k for the launch edition in US before any credits…with the credits you get down to $45k in CA and that is in line with most of the other models they sell.

Huh? It’s still $63,000 “target price” according to the US configurator.

It is eligible for $7500 federal credit still, so close to $55k, less in CA given state credit. Tesla won’t have federal tax credits at that point so price will be comparable to Model 3 LR Dual Motor

I feel like InsideEVs is really turning into a Tesla forum rather than an EV forum. This thing looks great and has great pricing and over half the comments are how this can’t hold a candle to a Tesla. Someone even said they’ll still need an ICE to drive it out of the city, HELLO they’re expecting a 275 mile range! I had friends who owned 1st gen Leafs who went on road trips and made it work!

I for one am very excited to see another attractive long range BEV in the mix, everyone has an opinion but let’s not bash everything without a Tesla emblem, more BEVs is what we want right? There’s another 99% of the world out there that need more options and don’t drive BEVs, if we’re not excited when these come out than how are they going to be compelled to switch?

As a serial Tesla supporter, I am glad to see Volvo pull this off. The reveal admitted they were following Tesla, by name, once. However, what I wonder is whether this is through existing Volvo dealerships or through the new-brand, no-dealer model, because a fair bit of time was spent discussing that new sales experience. Rivian can definitely do it. How closely Polestar models their success to Tesla isn’t as important as their success.

If this is price-competitive or cheaper than the BoltEV and Leaf, well, I hope they have a good battery supplier contract! It strikes me as a car they should be proud of.

I hope they expand beyond California. I get caution and all, but if you want to lose the compliance car slur, sell them nationwide.

No dealers for Polestar.
Polestar centers with „technology specialists“.

Tesla copy.
Good.

I have said this for a while now that for companies to compete with Tesla they need to make new brands and play by Tesla’s rules (i.e. ditch franchised dealer network model). Glad to see they are doing that 😉

The Bolt EV doesn’t sell well because in part people won’t pay $40k for a Chevy EV. Make it a new brand completely (and make cooler EVs).

Or they make this so that you can order them at the Volvo dealer.

They are using boutiques where you view car and place order or order online, like Tesla. There is a select Volvo dealer running the show, but the experience should be more like Tesla. I think Saturn had issue with this model as they were essentially still operating dealerships and not boutique/retail type stores.

This is a higher end performance vehicle. Not going to be in a similar price range as the Bolt or Leaf. It’s not even remotely comparable. More comparable to Model 3 dual motor and iPace.

Exactly. Now the Polestar 2 has the chance to be the best Volvo that will be sold. We need more models that tempt people to switch from ICE.

XC40 fully electric will be next. And that is a very great car already.

Even as vaporcar, it’s not that good. $55K post subsidy yet performance and range are less than Tesla 3 LR. Most likely, efficiency will be less, too, which points to poorly engineered car. If this car actually becomes real, it should be priced between Bolt (about $25K) and Tesla 3 LR (about $45K), so about $35K.

There is no Tesla 3 LR except for soonish in China.

When this ships, Tesla Model 3 Dual Motor LR with color, wheels and EAP: $58,000 (assuming no discounts after tax credit expiring), where similar performance Polestar 2 will be $55,000 (after tax credits). In other words, this is essentially the same price.

Efficiency on highway will be less, it looks less aerodynamic. It doesn’t point to a “poorly engineered car”. this is a real car, not a vapor car (it is as much a vapor car or less than Model Y, since we haven’t seen what it looks like yet). I would suspect lower price models, as you say, about $35k that are maybe more comparable to non existent Model 3 standard.

It’s not as sexy looking, but it does look larger than the TM3 and I *really* like the interior based on the limited pictures. Just goes to show you that going into the future, these car companies will all begin cutting costs by significantly reducing the number of button / knobs and dashboard complexity. And look! Framed windows that won’t freeze the doors shut in the winter! This price is pretty amazing though. It’s currently about the same price as TM3 MR, has longer range (although a larger battery), two motors (AWD), and a faster 0-60. It’s an electric, so its center of gravity will be low by default, and it’s made by a mainstream company, so tuning the suspension / traction control / steering likely won’t be an issue. Glad to see real Model 3 competition. With that said, PHEVs are still a better solution to carbon emission issues over the next 10+ years. You simply can’t build batteries fast enough or eco-friendly enough in the short term to make a huge dent in overall emissions. I wish our subsidies were setup to give greater incentives to those solutions that make the most sense, rather than giving the most… Read more »

It is smaller.
5cm narrower, 9cm shorter, 13cm shorter wheelbase.

It is taller than Model 3, but yes, seems a bit narrower and shorter. Longer wheelbase on Model 3 might be very meaningful, will have to sit in both.

The grey is gorgeous, hatchback yes, good range, though would have loved 300 (funny how range wants keep moving up), price looks good and tax credit fully available for some time, and its a Volvo, so likely built like a tank and solid drive feel.

“…available in 2020”

Call us when we can order one two years from now. I suspect what was shown today is not what will be on sale in 2020.

What, because there’s been absolutely no regulatory testing and the crashing is only simulated? They picked the paint colors, though: Black, white, other white, gray, other gray, other black.

Looks like black, white, silver, dark gray, dark blue, titanium.

It is very close to what will be on sale next year (not 2 years). You can pre-order it today for $1000. Thank you Tesla 😉

You do know it’s already 2019 right now?

Its ironic that someone who stole my user name would have such different opinions. I had 2 Volvos spanning over 15 or 20 years. I loved those cars – a 122S Wagon and a 245 Turbo. That being said I am happy that Volvo has come out with something remotely competitive with the Tesla Model 3. What is TBD is how they stack up head to head. The Tesla 60D I currently own is by far the most superior vehicle I have ever owned in over 40 years of car ownership. I am looking forward to those reviews and sincerely hope we see more cars like the Polestar hit the market (despite being an ardent Tesla enthusiast).

Join the club. I have a twin James also.

Not sure how/why Inside EVs allows people to take the same user names.

I’ve bluntly reached out to “new James” to change his username to end the confusion. I’ve asked IEVs three times to do something to no avail.

I’ve been James here since the first day of IEVs. I have written published articles here. But this new “James” seems bent on keeping my username. He even riffed off of a recent post I made. He seems to agree with my comments.

So I have an apparent doppelganger here on IEVs who feels the confusion of having 2 James post comments is not a problem.

It looks a bit boxy, but it’s a Volvo, so what else is new? Specs sound great, but launch price of $68k is a pretty penny compared to the Model 3 launching at $49k.

The Euro prices for Germany include 19% VAT!

Model 3 long range version with a 74 kWh battery and AWD launched in Europe at 58,800 euros.

Hopefully all the Android blather will not restrict the car from purchase by Apple iPhone customers, that would reduce the potential market by ~43% in US.

That was explicitely stated in the Video, that your iPhone will be fine with the P2.

Not if it doesn’t support CarPlay.

The brand name brings to mind a pole dancer? The format of the car = midway between sedan + crossover SUV + hatchback.

In past attempts by carmakers, those crossbreeds haven’t lit the market on fire. Seems I-Pace and now this Volvo took a Toyota Venza as inspiration. The Venza flopped badly. Was it a station wagon or SUV? In answer, it was neither and Polestar seems equally confusing. It’s so tall and so angular as to be the anti-Model 3, but will it grab those waiting for Model Y?

Surely some will go for it due to the hatch. But it really confuses me who they’re targeting as customers. The dashboard is nice and big touchscreen too. Please lose the yellow seatbelts! And why the gigantic canyon console that appears all form and no function?

Here in Europe Polestar is recognized as a championship winning racing team an Volvo tuner.

Here in Europe absolutely nobody knows Polestar.

Than you don’t follow racing otherwise you would know them. They took the manufacturers championship in 2017 WTCC, just as an example and have done many other things.

Not bad for an EV to be made in China by a Chinese company. Too bad it will not be available to most people in the USA.

The Geely/Chinese diatribe is getting old ….

“Too bad”? I don’t see this car as having that “aspirational” draw that brands like Jaguar, Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Lexus and Tesla have on American minds. I looked at a Euro car site, and a commenter there called it “The Pornstar!” 😁 The hatchback is nice, but utility seems strapped by the sharply sloping back glass. It’s not sleek. In fact, like many Volvos of the past, it reminds me of that girl who asked me out in college and I almost went out with because she was so nice and had some good qualities. In the end, I didn’t regret not dating her because I couldn’t get attracted to her manly proportions and stout figure. We all value practicality, but comparing this car to the 3 because their 0-60 times ,length and range are similar seems odd. Like comparing a GL class Mercedes with a BMW M4 because the Merc is an AMG iteration. The Polestar (ugh!) 2 neither competes with Tesla 3 or Y. It’s kind of stuck somewhere in the middle. Will Volvo follow the throng and build 20,000 of these per year sent to the West? Will journalists the world over clamor to compare it to… Read more »

From cars to dating girls, what do you want to say ? Ah you don’t like it. Then just ignore the whole thing!
Polestar is a well known Volvo tuner brand, at least here in Europe and around the world in racing sports. Maybe it is nothing for the US market but It will sell here in Europe.

But going back to the girls, I think you would go for the girl with the looks but than get so disappointed by the lack of IQ and the horrible attitude :p A “girl next door” nerdy is far more fun.

Yeah, that rear part doesn’t really work, how about a wagon version? Combined with the rumored better rear seating that could make this the practical alternative for a Model 3.

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

All in all, this seems to be pretty good first EV product for them,

Yes it does. And good for us to have some more choice.

Wait, so people are going to pay $25k more for better interior and a few refinements? The battery is the same with the base and the Launch?

Nobody said the base will have the same battery.

Looks good, but I am reasonably sure that it will be out of my budget when all possible savings considered.

Rasmus Birkegaard Christensen

Good looking car indeed.
Wonder what happend to all the trolls claiming that a sedan will never sell 😂😂

Well, technically the P2 is a sedanish hatchback.

Euro pricing is including VAT (here German 19% VAT), to calculate US$ pricing, you should divide by 1,19 and adjust with exchange rate (euro to $)

underwhelming…

The car looks nice, I’m sure it’s going to be an interesting car. But the price doesn’t start at $45k, the first edition (didn’t get off it’s going to be the only available for the first year) it will cost a lot more.

Volt 3.0

Volt is a PHEV. This is all electric.

Kill the generator ICE in the Volt and it is a very short range BEV.

California only for 2020.😢

Any info about the dimensions, thats what can help us decide whether its the same size as Tesla Model-3.
Having AWD standard with 2 motors will give a big advantage to electric vehicles.

Their configurator page lists basic dimensions in the summary.
https://www.polestar.com/us/polestar-2/configurator/534EDPI1E00001900RFA000_00000__R14B#summary

Specifications
Length
181.4 in.
Height
58.2 in.
Width Inc Mirrors
73.2 in.
WheelBase
107.7 in.

C-pillar breaks my heart; looks like the Scion tC; SAD!!1!

“For Polestar, performance underlies the entire driving experience. The all-wheel drive electric powertrain in Polestar 2 produces 300 kW (408 hp) and 660 Nm (487 lb-ft). This translates to a 0-100 km/h acceleration time of less than 5 seconds.”

The Model 3 RWD LR has 280 hp and has a listed 0-60 in 5.1 seconds. Some get times down to 4.8 seconds. With 408 hp the Polestar 2 surely hits 60 in far “less than 5 seconds.”

Closer to the LR Dual Motor Model 3 which is listed at 4.5sec.

Polestar website shows a target of 4.7sec 0-60mph

The tunnel battery is interesting/familiar configuration, however I was hoping for more flat floor cars, with room to stretch legs. I’ve been taking some longer trips in my Model 3 and it would be nice to have room to the right of the pedals to stretch my right leg. My knee starts to get sore after some time. I don’t see a reason why all the clutter between the seats on the floor can’t be removed.

Like all Volvo’s, the rear is funky and ugly. Do not like nor want

Awesome! more electrics the better.

China was always going to enter the international vehicle market by stealth looks like its come to electrics from geely ownership of volvo first.

Sounds like a competitor for Model 3 Mid Range. Though in a booming market, no one need get “killed”.
The big questions now, when, and in what volume?

Looks like a Dodge Caliber

45,000-68,000usd!? …NO Thanks!
(slams door behind him)