Photo Of The Day From Sweden: 4 Fast Charging Plugs For All Fast-Rechargeable EVs

2 years ago by Mark Kane 17

Multiple fast chargers site equipped with ABB T53CJG's and some Tesla chargers serving the many EV drivers in Sweden

Multiple fast chargers site equipped with ABB T53CJG’s and some Tesla chargers serving the many EV drivers in Sweden

Identification for ABB multi-standard fast chargers

Identification for ABB multi-standard fast chargers

ABB released interesting photo of two of their new multi-standard DC fast chargers T53 CJG installed in Sweden, alongsie multiple Tesla Superchargers.

It’s probably the way to go in the near-future for main routes in Europe to be compatibile with all fast-rechargeable EVs.

Standards:

  • Tesla Supercharger – DC 120 kW (through Type 2 – compatibile intlet)
  • CHAdeMO – DC 50 kW
  • CCS Combo – DC 50 kW
  • Type 2 – AC 43 kW

Tesla uses its own standard, where there are also CHAdeMO and CCS Combo camps among manufacturers. Renault is the only OEM to introduced 3-phase 43 kW charging in ZOE (last year the new ZOE R240 was designed for only 22 kW with no other DC inlet), which means that demand for 43 kW is almost non existent.

Some other models can also use up to 22 kW AC charging.

Tesla is in the special situatuation, because it can use 3-phase AC charging or CHAdeMO (using adapter), while other EVs can’t use Tesla Superchargers.

Longer term, charging will be even more complicated, because there will be 100 or 150 kW DC fast chargers – so finding a spot, drivers would need to pay attention whether it’s first generation 50 kW or newer 100-150 kW version.

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17 responses to "Photo Of The Day From Sweden: 4 Fast Charging Plugs For All Fast-Rechargeable EVs"

  1. ItsNotAboutTheMoney says:

    It’s great to see a “charging center” build up, but, I hope they can easily upgrade from the 50kW chargers.

  2. *EV* says:

    To complicate things further observe that the closest multi-standard charger is labelled by the power company “e-on” and the next one by “clever” which usually calls for different RFID-tags/cards and accounts, and probably also different charge rates.
    Also, the multi-standard chargers I’ve used only allows one car to charge at the time even when two cars has different inlets (CHAdeMO vs CCS).

    Just look at the seven (!) super chargers in the background which most Tesla owners can use for “free”.
    Then imagine arriving in your new Chevrolet Volt and have to stand in line waiting for the few CCS chargers to be available while the Model S/3/X owners just charge “super” quickly and leave you standing.

    1. *EV* says:

      Oops, I meant Chevrolet Bolt/Opel Ampera-e and of course not “Volt”.
      ..and same goes for all other BEVs using CCS or CHAdeMO.

    2. TomArt says:

      Hmmm…as I see it, nobody is “leav[ing] you standing”. The SCs were there first, no automaker has yet to produce an EV that can handle the charge rates, no charging company has produced a charger that can deliver those charge rates that Teslas need on-the-go, and the SC locations are spaced too far apart for such EVs.

      For at least those reasons, it is not a reasonable expectation for a startup like Tesla Motors to put up the funds and support to accommodate the charging needs of every EV on the market. That includes everything from providing slow chargers at SC locations to setting up a pay or subscription system.

      1. *EV* says:

        No, you misunderstand me.
        I mean, Tesla makes sure their customers doesn’t have to wait while other BEV producers hopes “someone else” solves the required charging infrastructure.

  3. Someone out there says:

    Where is that?

    1. *EV* says:

      Looks like “Löddeköpinge” between Malmö and Helsingborg.

  4. Surya says:

    The ZOE with 43kW charger is still being produced, so stating that demand is almost non-existent is a slight exaggeration.

  5. jamcl3 says:

    Why do you think that >100kW fast chargers will not be backwards compatible with the present generation of 50 kW chargers?

    1. Confused says:

      I found that bit weird, too. I’m guessing he’s just confused. There’s no technical issue at least. Only reason I can think of is if you pay per kWh and you’ve got to a point with lots of demand for higher rate (> 100 kW) charging, you wouldn’t want to have people take up a slot using much less than the full capacity of the charger. But since basically all existing schemes are time based (pay per minute, however fast or slow you’re charging) I don’t really see this being an issue. At least for the next ten years, I think all the DC chargers in Scandinavia will support ChaDEmo and CCS at 50 kW. Not so sure about Germany, which tends to make policies that support its (huge) domestic car industry – would not be very surprised if they supported only CCS. Still people with ChaDEmo will be able to charge with an adapter.

  6. Ian says:

    This whole situation was caused by automakers not coming together and agreeing on one standard. I remember reading articles when the different standards came out and I knew the B.S. This was going to create. imagine a gas pump with four different types of nozzles to put gas in your car. I thought it was a way for car companies that didn’t really want to sell electric cars to create confusion and stall EV adoption so they could keep selling ICE.

    1. Steven says:

      If you are old enough to remember when the US was phasing and leaded gas, you should remember that the new unleaded gas nozzles were smaller in diameter than the leaded nozzles, so you couldn’t accidentally put the wrong fuel in your “unleaded only” car.

      Leaded only cars had no such protection.

    2. Confused says:

      Of course in an ideal world there would be a single standard that covered all cars and yet supported a wide range of charging rates, for current and future cars and stations. Each station would have a cable to match the max current that station can deliver, and a standardized plug to fit all EVs.

      But obviously the companies don’t have identical interests. Only the government could realistically have set a standard here. And if they had, that would have closed the door for Teslas supercharger network, which has demonstrated to all both how convenient EV driving can be and that it doesn’t cost the world to establish the infrastructure.

      Of course for us who drive EVs it’s not always easy to be patient, but I really think it’s better to roll out in this slow manner – it leads to a cheaper and better network in the longer run.

  7. zoe-driver says:

    BYD supports TYP2 43kw as well. And BYD ist not small.

    1. Confused says:

      Ok. But BYD is pretty small in western markets. For the time being anyway 🙂

  8. McKemie says:

    Others promise, Tesla delivers. The seemingly random siting on other DC chargers make them almost unusable for cross country travel. Other EV makers will languish until they adopt Tesla standards or Tesla performance. Perhaps that is part of their strategy.

    1. The Tesla chargers are useless far far far away.