Official EPA Figures Reveal Tesla Model S 85D Is New Range King

JAN 24 2015 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 34

Tesla's Site Still Shows EPA Estimates, But The Actual Test Figures Are Now Available

Tesla’s Site Still Shows EPA Estimates, But The Actual Test Figures Are Now Available

model-s-range-p85d-85d

In electing to go dual-motor, all-wheel-drive, Tesla Motors has upped the range ante again.

The new mark to beat, officially established via EPA testing of the Model S 85D, is 270 miles of combined range.

The results of testing were posted to the EPA site just days ago, following the release of a software update that allows “sleep mode” for the dual motor Teslas.

This software update should roll out to 85D and P85D owners soon.

Official EPA test results are posted below.  Note the remarkable (285.3 Miles) of highway range for the 85D!

The range target for all those upcoming Tesla Killers now is 270 (combined) or more.

Actual Figures From EPA Datafile Posted Below - Column 1 Is City Range - Column 2 Is Highway Range- Column 3 Is Combined Range

Actual Figures From EPA Datafile Posted Above – Column 1 Is City Range – Column 2 Is Highway Range- Column 3 Is Combined Range

Categories: Tesla

Tags: , , , , ,

Leave a Reply

34 Comments on "Official EPA Figures Reveal Tesla Model S 85D Is New Range King"

newest oldest most voted
Ontario Leaf

Test drove yesterday a P85D. By far the most powerful car I ever tested. If I’d only have the money…
Amazing car, great range.
For me though, a Tesla E with 200 miles and a practical form factor (I’d love a station wagon) would do. I’d ditch my ICE (Lexus IS) in a heartbeat.

Tesla Fan

a wagon will look like the X, Odd

sleek fastback > wagon

Ontario Leaf

I have a Leaf 🙂
Aesthetics are a secondary consideration 🙂

GSP

The highway is the only place more range is needed for a Tesla (for most people).

The 85D range, with 18.5 extra highway miles, is a nice benefit for getting the AWD option.

GSP

arne-nl

+1

The difference people will be reporting in the field is actually much bigger than the EPA numbers suggest. Highway range is what matters. Nobody needs 400+ km of uninterrupted city driving.

Alaa

It looks like we forgot that the Roadster has a 400 MILES not KM of range. Granted that the Roadster is a smaller car but 400 miles = 643.7 km That is more than many even diesel cars.

I feel that Tesla is holding back on the Model S. I am sure that they can replace the current batteries and make the model S go at least 500 miles. It is only a matter of timing as to when they will introduce it.

As for the Model 3 it is a no brainer. If the roadster can do 400 miles today, and soon the Model S will do more than 300 miles if not 500, then it will be foolish to assume that the model 3 will do just 200 miles. It will most certainly do more. And by more I do not mean 201, it is more likely that it will be like the roadster at least.

It will not be long before we need to charge our cars once a MONTH.

ModernMarvelFan

“It looks like we forgot that the Roadster has a 400 MILES not KM of range”

It looks like you forgot the difference between EPA range and some “mythical Tesla range”. Technically, even the S85 can do 400 miles if you average only 25 mph… But that is pointless.

So, your claimed of Roadster 400 miles is just another “wild claims” which can be true, but certainly NOT a real world range or EPA range.

mike w

You might get 400 miles IF you get the updated battery and other aerodynamic upgrades.

Bill Howland

Upgraded Aerodynamics? That’s in that Detroit Electric converted Exige.

But in a Roadster? I’ve changed the tires on mine.

Plenty of talk about a ‘400 mile’ battery in a roadster, but I think the official pronouncemtn was ‘up to’ or really like 360 miles. 70 kwh battery, if and when it happens, doesn’t seem like much of an increase to me. And of course, depends on what they charge for it. Or , if you also have to buy alot of other stuff you don’t need, such as a model S Jack which’d i’d have no use for, and then my converter cable wouldn’t work.

So even though they said it, I’d be very surprised to see a roadster have an honest 400 miles, not until they came out with a bigger battery.

John VonBokel

Elon has already said they could make a 500mi battery, but the cost would be too high.

When the Gigafactory comes online and enables a 200mi car @ $35k, then you’ll see a 300-400mi Model S @ $70k.

pjwood1

This doesn’t give AER, but the 106!! Highway MPGe number really jumps out at you. Even if you don’t trust the whole “MPGe” thing, on a relative basis, for such a heavy luxury car, this a truly impressive figure.

http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=36009

It can also be said that this EPA all-electric range (AER) is less than a steady 65mph test. EPA speeds up and slows down, for AER. So, getting above 280 miles will be somewhat easy. Over 300 miles of range (averaging closer to 55mph, less highway, less climate control) should also be fairly easy to bag.

Mint

It’s really weird that Tesla’s MPGe is higher on the highway than the city. Fundamentally, you need *more* energy per mile at higher speeds, which is why every other EV has better MPGe in the city (sometimes 25% better).

I only see two possibilities: Tesla’s high power motor has poor efficiency at low power output, and/or their regenerative braking is not very good. I know it’s more complicated to do regen from an AC induction motor than a PM motor, but I don’t think it should be that much worse.

In any case, they’re focusing on the right thing. Highway range is what matters for a big-battery EV.

Djoni

Tesla have one set of motor for higway with an appropriate gearing for maximum efficiency and this motor is the one that is doing most of the work on higway.
In city both motors are used, but the car is heavier and the regen is not increase much, so the use more energy (not recovering) to move in the city

JakeY

I think it’s mainly because of their cars being much heavier (partially from large battery, but also because of the large car segment it is in) and also because of the wider performance tires (while other EVs use narrower low rolling resistance tires). That’s going to impact its city rating, esp. versus all of those city cars.

koz

4600lbs with stops and starts plus small CdA. Dual motor allows for optimized reduction gearing on one motor. It’s not unexpected.

Ph

My guess is that the excellent aerodynamics – due to lack of ICE cooling – shifts the efficiency curve. Seems reasonable to believe tesla would employ industry leading inverters etc.

ffbj

+1. Yes I like the not insane mode.

Jouni Valkonen

Good thing with electric cars is that it is possible to limit the power of electric motor electronically. And when normal driving is not enough, then Just say to your car “go insane” and you will get there if you feel like it.

Also 20 miles added Highway range more than compensates the added cost of AWD.

Tesla Fan

new? its always been the king

an 85 with 70% charge has more range than other EV’s lol

Mark

What’s the 60 EPA highway range???

Open-Mind

For the D models, it seems like they need a motor combo between 378HP and 691HP. That’s a really big jump.

Robert Weekley

Build an 85D+ with the 380 Hp motor in the Rear, and the 188 Hp Motor in the Front! OR – an 85+ with 221 Hp in the Rear and 188 Hp in the front!

However – they dropped the 60D, and a few colors, etc., to simplify the Production lines, so the above ideas. while nice or cute, are likely Slim to none for potential builds!

Matt

Have you driven an 85D? (I own one)

It’s not exactly lacking in the power department.

Marc

“Actual Figures From EPA Datafile Posted Above”

Link please?

Nicklas

Do we know at what SOC %?
– 80, 90, 100 %?

koz

Hopefully they revisit the 60D when production ramps up. The 60 stands to benefit the most from added highway range since the standard 60 is marginally practical for highway driving with Superchargers. Another 15-20 miles of range would be huge.

Richard

Keep in mind when they tested it’s a balmy 80° out I have a P 80 5D and right now in Ontario I’m only getting half of what it says I’m going to get there not very good when it’s cold out

Robert Weekley

And this with the same batteries (cells) the first Model S Signatures were delivered with? Amazing!

Now – on to the next up cells – for an EPA Rate ~325 -345 Miles Range Maybe?

And – when they do an S170 (Limo) we will have a 500 mile range Model S! [With today’s Cells! Maybe 650 miles with next up cells!]

John VonBokel

I wouldn’t expect to see much more range with the same cells. It could be done, but an S170 would have to have twice as many cells, and the added weight would create a range penalty, resulting in less than 500mi range.

Expect the S to start using newer cells around the time the Model 3 comes out. Much easier to sell the S at $70k and up when it has more range than the Model 3.

Bill Howland

I’m a bit skeptical of these numbers.

Why is a one charger vehicle a 12 hour charge, while a 2 charger vehicle (identical chargers supposedly) is 4 1/2 hours.

On the tesla website charging with one charger at 40 amps costs just as much as charging 2 chargers at 80 amps, and while that may or may not be actually perfectly true, it is no where near as the discrepancy here.

Since they got the charging times so non-sensical how do we know for sure the highway mileage is somehow a better number, especially when the city mileage is so much worse.

So a few things to ponder:

1). Did they tweek the software specifically to give them a good EPA style test?

2). Why was ford advertising far and wide 47 mpg, and then consumer reports got 39 at best? Is there something analogous to that going on here?

Bill Howland

err… 4 3/4 – still double that is 9 1/2 which is no where near 12 hours even assuming no tapering at 80 amps. I don’t get it, but then the mileage numbers don’t make any sense to me either, and since both numbers are the ‘official’ release I can only gather that the charging hours is just as good a number as the mileage number.