Number Of CHAdeMO Chargers In US Grows Slowly To 1,306

OCT 6 2015 BY MARK KANE 34

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CHAdeMO Association reported 1,306 CHAdeMO chargers in the U.S. as of 2015.10.05.

That’s some 500 more than in the report from early 2015.

“The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 9131.
— (Japan 5418 Europe 2352 USA 1306 Others 55) last update 2015.10.05″

The pace of growth is significantly slower compared to the roughly 1,000 new chargers in Europe over the same period (over 2,350 total).

Maybe CHAdeMO Association doesn’t have all the data and there are more CHAdeMO in the U.S.?

CHAdeMO fast charging standard is backed in the US mainly by Nissan, and to a lesser degree by Kia and Mitsubishi. Power output typically is between 20 and 60 kW (most CHAdeMOs are probably 40-50 kW).

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a curious definition of slowly

if the earlier report was ~ 800 chargers and now its 1300 chargers,

thats a 500/800 = 62% jump in less than a year

Tesla has roughly 1175 charger stalls in 220 Super-Charger stations in the US, and some 25 more are being erected in the next weeks.

They are built faster and they charge faster from 90 to 130 kW.

They would recharge a Leaf very fast!
And you can add the factor that a short ranged car will require more recharges more often.

Tesla opened his network to all other car maker, at the only condition that they participate their fair share of the maintenance and growth .

The Leaf wouldn’t be able to charge much faster because the smaller the battery pack size the slower the charge rate on DC.

What is a safe rate for a car that doesn’t have pack management vs. a car that does? I think the Ford Focus Electric has pack management, would it be able to charge faster than a Leaf? Is a 1C rate sustainable without pack management? Teslas have a good pack management system and can charge to from nearly flat to 80% in 30 minutes, what is that 70 in 0.5 or 140 kW charge rate on a 90 kWh pack?
140/90 or a 1.55C?
Is that how it works or am I way off?

Yep… huge jump, both in numbers and percent, in a short time is “slow”.

How do we compare to other industries. We might as well shut down most business in the world, because it likely isn’t growing as the slow 62%….

At lest it’s growing still have never pluged my leaf into one ?

Do give it a try, it’s fun! Or are you too far from any of them?

My former Leaf was only DC charged twice in 3 years. Once at the Chademo charger 25 miles to my east, and once at the Chademo charger 25 miles to my north.

It’s too slow for a larger battery, and to distant to be of any real use to me.

Has anyone even toyed with the idea of making a Chademo/CCS converter and vice versa? It would probably consist of two cable ends and a black box in the middle. Or maybe the box could have a appropriate female receptacle. Something would have to take care of the different protocols.

The two systems have different grounding methods, so it’s trickier than you might expect.

What I think would be great is to see the makers all add as many standards as possible to each car. Or maybe an aftermarket DC FC adapting business like Tony Williams is doing for the Tesla Variants. (Rav4EV, Mercedes and others). Anyone thinking of adding CCS to the compliance cars… FIAT 500e or Ford Focus Electric? Some of their sales numbers may make it a viable business.

I think Nissan would be wise to update their J1772 connector to the CCS level so their car becomes even more versatile.

Love our LEAFs… His and hers 2015 and 2013.

If you were going to add DC charging to compliance cars, probably picking the more obscure CCS would be a poor choice. The Ford Focus has already been made operational with CHAdeMO, and any car can be charged with the world standard CHAdeMO plug (50-500 volt compatibility). CCS compared to CHAdeMO 1) Isolated ground – unlike the German / SAE standard, there’s not a DC ground cable in the cable in CHAdeMO. This is for safety, and in my opinion, is the logical choice. 2) Locking plug – there has already been a broken lock mechanism on the CCS where a user was able to pull off the plug with live (and VERY deadly) DC voltage flowing. That locking mechanism was designed for a 30 amp AC plug. CHAdeMO, on the other hand, would likely break the mount out of the car before it would break the connection. 3) Secure connection – I can physically pull a “properly functioning” CCS plug up while charging, which moves the DC pins apart. DUMB. 4) CAN bus control – every car built in the past 30 years has used CAN. It’s written in regulations for emission controls, and the world standard, That’s what… Read more »

I agree Chademo is better for protocol and mechanical lock. But for form factor, it’s better. I wish CCS was Chademo combined with L2 and more secure lock that would fit in “gas cap” sized area.

Something I noticed about Chademo is that it would wipe out AM radio, but CCS on my SparkEV does not. This happened with several chargers, and I don’t know if this is Chademo problem, charger problem, or Leaf problem.

Most chargers use high speed semiconductor to convert AC to DC.

That’s the noise you hear in the AM radio. It has nothing to do with CCS, GB/T, Supercharger, or CHAdeMO.

The quick chargers are not really growing that fast. In that you can still go a week or two and still not see a new quick charger pop up on plug share.

Any word on SAE-CCS chargers?

How does GM expect to sell the Bolt if they don’t install lots of chargers? What are they thinking?

Most people use L2 chargers. GM will be fine waiting until the cars are here to help build infrastructure. BMW is combo plug too. NRG is putting out the evgo with chademo and combo plug. Still gm would be smart throwing in with tesla, and doing superchargers + chademo adapters. The supercharger network will probably be built better for long trips than chademo.

Tesla hasn’t indicated any willingness to share its Superchargers, and I doubt anything in that direction taking place in a pretty long while.

Assaf said:

“Tesla hasn’t indicated any willingness to share its Superchargers…”

On the contrary, Tesla offered to share its Supercharger patents, free of charge, to any EV maker willing to join in and contribute to the Supercharger network. See link below.

But you need a large battery pack to take advantage of faster charging. Perhaps the Bolt and the Leaf 2.0 will have battery packs big enough for Supercharger charging, but I doubt any other production EV would gain any benefit over CCS chargers or similar non-Tesla DC fast chargers.

http://cleantechnica.com/2014/06/11/tesla-will-open-supercharger-patents-promote-evs/

That is the difference between true believers and compliance fakirs. The GM/VW/BMW groups have enough money and market that if they would sincerely dedicate themselves to the cause the way Nissan/Renault and Tesla have they could really move the needle on CCS. When they don’t it simply makes CCS look like a delaying tactic.
I am thrilled to see more CHAdeMO chargers… they work well and have been popping up in more convenient places. Once you know where a few are along your routes driving electric cars becomes almost boring.

Expect China to overtake everyone soon. They are rolling out a nationwide network of chargers (slow, fast and probably CHAdeMO).

In this 1,306 some 300 may be Tesla superchargers.

Market economy on its own is probably very slow especially when its controlled by vested interests.

If Japan has so much, how come their growth of EVs so slow.

I highly doubt that there will be many Chademos in China considering that they have their own fast charging standard.

I remember reading that the Chinese standard isn’t work as planned or they are still working on it as of today.

I used one once with my Leaf, just to make sure the port actually worked.

More fast chargers is a good thing. Not investing in it, shows which companies are not interested in selling mainstream EVs that can satisfy 100% of any drivers various annual usage needs.

Infrastructure is how you do and don’t sell EVs.

The difference between US and Europe/Japan installation pace is not due to automakers (a huge chunk, possibly most, of US ChaDeMo are at Nissan dealerships) – but due to governments and utilities unwilling to pitch in.

I always ask myself what will be the practical use of those chargers when cars will have 200, 300 + miles battery packs?
I just hope they are ungradable..

They will still be needed for people driving 600 miles in a day or when someone pulls up to their parents house and they don’t have a outlet or don’t want them to plug in.

I think RexxSee was referring more to the “quick” chargers that can only provide 40-50kW. When you have a 50-100kWh pack, that will be rather slow.

+1

It’s too bad there isn’t Chademo to CCS adapter for SparkEV. It seems any place that has CCS also has Chademo, but reverse is not true.

Still too slow for the 200mi EVs coming down the pipeline.

Within a few years, there absolutely will be 200 amp non-Tesla charge stations (about 70-80kW, but will be advertised at “100kW”).

Tesla is already at 370 amps, which pumps 120kW into a 300 to 400 volt battery.