NRG EVgo Interview: Most Fast Charging Sites In US

AUG 7 2015 BY MARK KANE 50

eVgo Charging Station

eVgo Charging Station

After providing a few highlights, ChargedEVs finally released its full interview with NRG EVgo executives (Arun Banskota and Brendan Jones).

The company stated that with over 350 DC fast chargers (CHAdeMO and CCS) it has more public DC fast charging sites in the US than anyone else, including Tesla.

Freedom Stations are installed in 19 markets (26 expected by the end of this year), but over 200 chargers are installed in California, which makes NRG’s network highly skewed towards California.

Size of the network doubled over the past eight months.

Important part in the network rollout are agreements with land owners. EVgo secured 59 such partners:

“EVgo has signed partnership agreements with 59 retail hosts all over the country, including Simon Properties, Macerich, Kimco, Whole Foods and Walgreens.”

Asked about the Tesla Supercharges, EVgo noted the essential difference in the networks (chargers per location, public or just one brand):

Charged: EVgo has become one of the largest and fastest-growing DC fast charging networks in America. However, it seems that Tesla’s charging network receives most of the mainstream media attention. How do you think the two networks stack up?

Arun Banskota: Tesla has more chargers, because they have as many as 10 chargers per location, but EVgo has more locations. You also need to keep in mind that the Tesla network exists to serve just one car brand, Tesla, while EVgo serves all car brands, including any Model S driver who wants to use the Level 2 stations or the CHAdeMO fast chargers, with an adapter made by Tesla.”

Power of those DC chargers is no less than 44 kW, but EVgo is ready to install in the future up to 100 kW chargers in place of current ones.

Time for a quick look at the prices in Los Angeles Basin, where NRG EVgo has over 100 DC fast chargers.

There are three plans. The 25-minutes DC charging under the Flex (without monthly fee) will cost $4.95 + $5 ($0.20 times 25 minutes), a total of nearly $10 for use (probably up to 15 kWh or over 60 miles of range in a Nissan LEAF).

To recharge cheaper, you need to take On-The-Go and charge at least several times a month to overcome the $14.95 monthly fee (25 minutes at $0.10 is just $2.5). On-The-Go would be less expensive for anyone who gets, on average, more than two DC charges a month. At four 25-minute DC charges a month, it averages out to over $6 per use (15 kWh / 60 miles).

NRG EVgo - Los Angeles Basin

NRG EVgo – Los Angeles Basin

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For my LEAF, DC fast charging is a necessity. I have almost 500 sessions. In a 30 minute session, I rarely can even get 10kWh because of the charge taper after a few minutes. So 10kWh at home for $1.00 ($3.34/gal gas energy equiv) versus up to $10 ($33.40! Gal) for EVGo is ridiculous. They dont charge $30/gal of gas because a gas station is expensive to build..or “provides you more convenience”. There needs to be regulation to bring it closer to gas prices at 10 cents/kWh.

regulation isn’t the answer, especially since doing so would mean operating at a significant loss. 10 cents/kwh would be selling electricity at a loss for DC fast charging due to commercial/industrial rates for demand billing (the more current you draw, the higher the per kwh pricing!).

But then looking at your numbers, I think you missed a decimal place. Your charge should be $3 for a 30 minute session, which isn’t as cheap as home, but much better than $30/30-minutes.

Oops, you said $10, not $30.

I just went over this with some of the field reps from some of our local state assembly reps that I presented my report to. I carefully tracked the charging progress, and took screen shots of the LEAF spy monitor every 10 minutes for a 60 minute session to gather information. EVGo charge is about $10 per 30 minute session if you don’t have membership. Hence the $30/gal+ equiv. If you have membership, it would by $3.00 (30 min x 10 cents)+figure 2.00 for membership fee, assuming you charge every other day to equal the ~$15.00 month subscription fee= $5.00 a session. So in the case you might “only” be paying around $16/gallon. This is the reward we get for driving cars that go about 60 miles between charges, and take 30minutes-6hrs to charge. Not a compelling reason to buy an electric car. Can you imagine trying to sell a gas car that only holds 2 gallons of gas (30mpg x 2 gal), takes 30 minutes to fill,(and costs more per gallon to fuel during the day in some instances) and costs more than the average car? Clearly the price for electricity needs to be the equivalent of gas prices,… Read more »

I don’t understand your math. Why not see how much you are paying to go a mile, then compare that to how much it would cost to go a mile in a gas car?

I was about to say the same thing. Posting only the energy equivalent cost per gallon and comparing to gasoline cars without making a note about the efficiency differences is misleading.

Putting the numbers into cents per mile makes comparison much easier. At $3 gasoline, a 30mpg car would cost $0.10 per mile, a 50mpg car $0.06 per mile. Given Leaf consumption is 21kWh per 84 miles (using this calculation since they are presumably charging you for DC electricity not AC). Works out to equivalent of $0.40/kWh for 30mpg car and $0.24/kWh for 50mpg car. If you assume they charge for AC electricity, that is 30kWh/100miles, and $0.33/kWh for 30mpg, $20/kWh for 50mpg.

The numbers he posted are within that range with few exceptions, so I don’t really see much of an issue.

I don’t understand his math either. You do have to look at cents/mile, to see what’s going on. My 30 mpg ’98 Saturn cost about 12 cents/mile to run (just talking gas). My Leaf charged only at home costs about 3 cents/mile, for what I pay for electricity.

I’m in the “On-the-Go” plan. If I do one DCQC, my cost goes up to 4.2 cents/mile, mostly due to the $14.95/mo, still cheap IMHO. Every DCQC I do afterwards bumps it up 0.1 cents, so my cost per mile goes up to 4.3 cents/mile if I’ve done 2 DCQCs, etc. These are the full 30 minute charge, since the eVgo units have a 30 minute timer.

So, yes, you are definitely paying more per kWh at a Freedom Station than you’re paying at home, no doubt about it. But you have to keep it in perspective. Plus, when you really need to charge, you need to charge. My time is worth something, too.

Your numbers don’t make sense even without drilling down to the actual efficiency costs of a EV vs. gasser. Southern California Edison charges about $0.11 per kWh for super off-peak electricity. This, even from a seat-of-the-pants calculation doesn’t mean I’m paying the same or more cost for gas as for electricity my EV. I’m paying about one quarter the cost as I would be paying if I had a 35 mpg car.

30 minutes charging would be only 3$. This is not expensive. At a 44kW charger that would be 6/44 $/kWh = 0.14$ kWh.

Sure you have a monthly fee, but for the tesla you would have paid 2000$ upfront (included in the price).

If power is reduced because Leaf tappers off this is another problem. Maybe you need a battery that is more empty at the start of your charge. What about try driving more agreesively at the way to the charger?

But even 10kWh/30min means only 0.3$/kWh. That is not that bad. Only around peak demand prices.

Yes if you are fine with paying about $16/gallon of equiv gal gas energy for your car. 1 session, $5.00=30 min x 10cent/kWh+2.00 subscription. (50 cents per kWh). The problem is our cars are very efficient and since the MPGe is very high, many people think it is fine to charge more for our energy to he point where it negates the efficiency cost advantage that our cars inherently have.

Lets make sure we don’t lose site of the gallon of gas equivalent energy costs. Its what the EPA uses in calculating MPGe. (they use around 33.7kWh gal) It is scientific, logical and easy to understand. When you look at the chart below, it helps to understand why public charging needs to be ~ 10 cents/kWh to be close to the national gas price average in the neighborhood of $3.34/gal.

Electricity costs
for 1 GGE

1 GGE = 33.40 kWh
For Local Rate
Per kWh $/Gallon
Equivalent
$0.07 $2.338
$0.08 $2.670
$0.09 $3.006
$0.10 $3.340
$0.11 $3.674
$0.12 $4.000
$0.13 $4.342
$0.14 $4.670
$0.15 $5.010
$0.16 $5.344
$0.17 $5.678
$0.18 $6.012
$0.19 $6.346
$0.20 $6.680
$0.25 $8.350
$0.27 $9.018
$0.28 $9.352
$0.29 $9.686
$0.30 $10.020

Elroy,

How you’re calculating the gas price equivalent might be correct, but the comparison is way wrong. The leaf’s MPGe is over 100 (regardless of model year). There is no comparable ICE equivalent vehicle, so you should take your numbers and divide by 2 or 3 to determine if it’s “worth it”.

The prius has an operating cost per mile of 5+ cents. Electricity would have to be over 20 cents/kwh (4 miles / kwh) to match that operating cost on a leaf. So anything less than that is still cheaper for the EV owner. Priced as is currently, NRG’s membership prices are pretty good.

Thanks, yes the Leaf vor any EV is far more efficient and therefore cheaper to run even if the price per Gallon/kWh is higher.

And please be realistic, no one can give you charges below market prices. If there are peak rate prices at 30ct/ kWh dont expect chargers to be cheaper.

You have to be kidding me if you think my numbers don’t make sense. Any many of you think because we drive highly efficient cars, we should be punished by pay more for the same amount of energy equivalent? Remember, the EPA uses MPGe for a reason. They say 33.7kWh=1gal of fuel, and establish an easy MPGe equivalence for consumers to understand. Lets say everyone is driving a 50mpg Prius. All of a sudden Toyota comes out with a 100mpg Prius, with a 1 gallon fuel tank. Suddenly people decide its okay to charge those people driving the 100mpg Prius twice as much for fuel, “because its still just as cheap as driving a regular car”. For those of you who think the numbers I present are nonsense, go ahead a pay what you will for electricity at high rates, “because its cheaper than you ICE car”. But even then, its still not cheaper than a Prius when charging my 2012 LEAF. $4.00 for a 30 minute charging session and I can drive the same distance of a Prius using a gallon of gas which is less than $4.00. A Prius that can go more than six times the distance… Read more »
Elroy, while I agree with your approach – most people are not competent in using a calculator it seems – much less a Spreadsheet and setting up a formula to run the numbers! My own approach is to think of EV Charging as a perk for a Business – in the form of advertising – more like this: A Billboard costs a lot of money to erect, but a moderate amount of money to maintain and sustain (maybe some night lighting, and a frequent change of the advertisement, but not so much else on a daily/monthly/yearly basis) http://www.evcharging4marketing.evfest.ca/ On the other hand – I like that line you mentioned: “Would you think it was fair if you went to work and figured out how to do something in a more efficient way and then had the company not pay you as much because you figured out a way to be more efficient. Nonsense right?” Well – I like it because it reminds me of one of my employers and a co-worker I heard about – He started work and we could put in ‘Employee Suggestions’ from day one on the Floor of the Factory! So here this guy puts in… Read more »

@Elroy , Robert Weekley , Mike C.

All you guys are saying is that fast-charging an EV is much more expensive than going to the gasoline pump, which of course is true.

That should encourage people to charge mostly at home or at work, and only use a Public Charger when it is absolutely necessary at these high rates.

Indirectly, that also explains why there is little use for a fast charging arrangement on a PHEV. When you run out of juice it is much cheaper to run the engine, which has to be exercised occassionally anyway.

elroy, et al,

You’re conflating disparate issues and disparaging highly intelligent people with your own logical errors.

Just because the oil companies can extract, refine, and deliver gasoline profitably at $2.50/gallon, doesn’t mean that it should cost the same to produce and deliver the equivalent amount of electricity.

Case and point, compare the prices of diesel with gasoline. Diesel should cost 20% more than gasoline, since it has that much more energy content (by your logic), but it actually costs less right now. Or what about cooking oil? It’s 5x the cost of gasoline, man someone must be gouging us!

MPGe is a measuring stick for fuel economy, NOT fuel costs. How much it costs for your fuel to be produced and delivered is independent of that. The equipment to deliver 240V @ 30Amps is vastly cheaper than the ones to deliver 500V @ 100Amps.

Your numbers fail the common sense test.

Let the free market do its job. As demand increases, competition will arise with lower prices.

The problem with this network is the locations are sparse. You can’t do a cross country trip, and there are many state where there is no stations at all.

I’ll wager there are Tesla Superchargers that have not been used within the last month. Nissan has sold almost 240,000 EVs worldwide, so there is plenty of time to flush out the network before running out of buyers who don’t care about cross country trips through red states. In Massachsetts coverage is much better than Tesla.

The network isn’t designed to support interstate travel, it’s designed to provide regional travel.

50kW charging is not fast enough for interstate travel and the bulk of the cars that can use the stations only average 30kW over a typical QC session.

I think you are completely wrong. Most people would probably use home charging for local EV travel but really need fast charging when they get outside their charging radius. I’m planning a trip in my EV from Fort Worth, TX to Breckenridge, CO next month. It’s going take 35+ hours charging at RV parks most of the way. If I could charge at 50kW my travel time would be cut at least in half. There are no fast chargers along highways in Texas other than Superchargers and there are no SAE Combo chargers at all. I would upgrade my FFE tomorrow to a car with SAE Combo charging if were SAE Combo stations in Texas. You would think EVgo would do a better job of support EV customer needs in their home state. I hope NRG EVgo management reads this.

I wish it would allow canadians to order the card and membership so we could use those stations as well. There are a few in southern VT that would be nice to use. Unfortunately, a US address is required for registration.

The prices for using these units seem in some cases especially dear. But the best prices seem relatively analogous to 25 miles per gallon, which isn’t too shabby.

Fewer chargers but more locations? That game plan may work since its a pay as you go type system, and it is pricey enough that you will only charge if you absolutely need to.

Given the number of locations eVgo gas in my area (southern California), I would actually prefer that they add more stations to locations than add more locations.

Often locations completely fill up and waiting for a spot or driving 5-10 miles to the next one is a PITA.

Even worse is when you arrive at a location and the spots are filled with cars that aren’t charging. 🙁 Very frustrating.

Well, at least you have them…. We don’t have ANYTHING where I live, except for a newly installed 8 stall SuperCharger. This was initially going to be installed in St. Catherines Ontario (across the border – now requiring a passport in most cases) but politicing from Brian and my acquaintence Surgeon Ron and other rich doctors in the area got Tesla to install one east of buffalo instead (mileage wise about 25 miles east). I know its only been around for a few months, but in this case, where Tesla initially wasn’t going to have anything and now has 8 seems to me to have been over built. TO date I’ve never seen more than 2 cars at a time there, and usually 1 or 0 in prime time. The 6 kw Level 2 AAA unit (only one) next door seems to get more cars in a 24 hour period. I stop and charge my gm products there while im looking at the supercharger, occassionally having to wait until another volt or plug-in-prius gets out of the way. So you’d think Tesla would have put a 2 stall unit in the buffalo area and a 4 stall unit in st… Read more »

In the DC, VA, MD area NRG has NO SAE combo
units
only Chademo

Also, NO SAE Combo (CCS) in Pacific North West, north of Portland. The sad part is EVgo removes CCS from multi-standard DCFC unit, only serves CHAdeMO !!!

Not correct. Royal Farms in Urbana, MD is online (ccs/chaedemo chargepoint) Additional stations are rolling out in MD. 4 Stations for NRG EVGo. 15 Stations for Royal Farms.

So far, the for-profit EV charging industry has been a “non-profit” business, with many companies going bankrupt and the others bleeding cash like crazy…I doubt anyone could make a valid case for “price gouging” to justify regulation. We don’t regulate gasoline prices so why regulate EV charging rate prices?

If the choice is to pay a high premium for the occasional FCDC charge, or own a second backup ICE car, it’s a no-brainer…pay for the FCDC…

If you drive enough long-distance that the FCDC fees are really a problem and you don’t want to own two vehicles, then you need a Volt.

FYI, there is a major project underway, funded by the California Energy Commission, to finally add FCDC Chademo/SAE Combo chargers along the I-5 corridor between Oregon and Sacramento, along with secondary state highways like 101 and 99. It also will add to existing chargers from Sac to the Mexico border and include SAE Combo.

I don’t think the cost of DC fast charging is a very realavent issue right now. All EV usars right now are early adopters and we have to expect to pay through the nose sometimes. EV users can expect cost savings when they charge at home but should expect to pay premium costs for charging when they travel away from home and need to charge quickly. Let’s pay the premium and get the fast charging stations we need now then later we can get the charging stations to compete to lower prices.

No thanks! I see no reason to be an idiot or sucker.

I’ll just charge my EV at home with my solar PV system. If my EV cannot take me where I want to go on a single charge, then I’ll just take my ICE car.

It is utterly ridiculous to:
1) Pay more than gas to charge.
2) And have to wait 30mins.
3) Just to fill up for driving 60 miles.
4) Hope that the one station is open and working.
5) Hope that nobody else is hogging it.
6) Go out of the way for find the station since it is not located along freeways.
7) Pay a monthly plan to still get ripped off for electricity.

Why the heck would I want to find a Nissan dealer or Whole Foods DCFC if I’m on a road trip? If I’m not, I’ll just charge at home.

Why? I’ll tell you why. I lived through the oil crisis of 1970s, when the price of gasoline quadrupled in three years, when our teacher and our politicians said we were going to run out of gasoline within ten years, when we had to wait in line for hours to get gas. I devoted myself to doing what I could to prevent the oil companies or any other energy supplier from having that kind of control over me or my country ever again. Modern electric vehicles are best alternative to petroleum based vehicles I’ve seen in the last forty years. You can call me an idiot if you like but I’m more than willing to pay whatever price I have to to help the country get beyond oil so my children and grandchildren will never have to experience the pain and fear my generation experienced because of the oil crisis of the 1970s.

Even More Reason why Local Area EV Owners/Drivers should get together, work to improve the local EV Charging Situations by: Encouraging Dual L2 Chargers as a Minimum, including adding Dual L2 Charging to Locations with DC FC, pushing for all Charging Spots, particularly those with DC FC to have an least 2 Units installed, and having them to be CCS/CHAdeMO Dual Service Units both, Reaching out to more Businesses to encourage them to add L2 and L3 Charging for Marketing Purposes – to attract the current and future EV Owners/Drivers, and consider it as part of their Advertising Costs! Every City with Electric Vehicle Owners should by now have at least one EV Organization, Electric Auto Association Chapter, or equivalent, where owners and supporters of EV’s can gather together – to be a unified voice to push local changes, and by extension – provincial and state changes – to the current ‘business as usual’ paradigm! http://www.evcharging4marketing.evfest.ca/ http://www.electricauto.org/ In The Greater Toronto Area – we have more than one organization – plus an Annual Electric Vehicle Show: http://www.evsociety.ca/ http://gheva.org/ http://www.durhamelectricvehicles.com/ http://www.meetup.com/TorontoHybrid-EV/ Plus http://www.plugndrive.ca/ and – our EV Show – http://evfest.ca/ All of which are to get the word out to People,… Read more »

BTW, the DCFC situation is very relevant.

Would you buy a 300-mile Audi or Nissan or BMW BEV and have it be your only vehicle?

I want to say YES but they’re forgetting the charging side of the equation. Until they fix it, eVgo is not a solution and that means I have to look at a Tesla instead.

I think the NRG pricing for occasional users is perfectly fair. $10.95 for 30 minute session. Different cars will take a different amount of energy over that time though. We don’t have a gas car any more. We have a RAV4 EV and an e-Golf. In the two years that we had the RAV4 EV before we got rid of the ICE, we only had to use the ICE once, for a vacation trip from San Jose to San Diego. Every other trip we drove was within the single charge range of the RAV4 EV. I will be getting the CHAdeMO mod installed on it within the next month. The mod is really not a good value for the up-front cost for us because it would be cheaper to just rent a car when we need it. However, I prefer to use my own car and with the growth of DCFC in California, it will be practical to take the RAV on longer trips when and if needed. Let’s check the cost of a 400 mile trip in the RAV4 EV with CHAdeMO. The home charge will give 120 miles of range, so there are 280 miles remaining. The car… Read more »

I’d love to know where electricity is only $.10 a kwh. It’s 18.9 cents a kwh here in NJ no matter what time of day and has been for a while. And i know California and Hawaii are even higher.

NYC and Westchester average $0.31/kWh on the standard electric rate plan, and for those brave/foolish enough for to sign up for the time-of-use rate plan, the Super-Peak rate is $1.20/kWh! Long Island has even higher standard electric rates.

http://www.coned.com/customercentral/calculators/voluntary_time_of_use.html

State average electricity rates can be found here:

https://www.eia.gov/electricity/monthly/epm_table_grapher.php?t=epmt_5_6_a

31 cents/kwh – does that include all taxes and fees? You won’t like to hear this but last month my and my neighbors paid a marginal cost of 10 1/3 cents per kwh including all taxes and fees. The reason the state avg is 18 cents is our 10 1/3 cents is averaged in (and i’m not sure if NYSEG is even cheaper). The question to ask yourself is, since places like White Plains are very much like Buffalo, and with the utility stupidly spending cash on things they don’t have to, why can they still provide profitable service for 10 1/3 cents and it is almost tripple that for White Plains? Its been 30 years since I was in Brooklyn, but the uncanny things I saw was that the ‘easy’ stuff was overhead and the ‘expensive’ stuff was underground, when all other utilities reverse the equation. I guess if they’re getting triple what other utilities get, there’s not much incentive to change. The real question is why don’t people complain about it, or ‘vote with their feet’ and put in solar panels – unless they are also gyps in NYC. But then California is the same way: They’ve already… Read more »

Let me partially answer my own question by saying the extreme western end of NY State where I am has little reliance on Nuclear Power (National Grid’s FRontier Region). Other NG areas, especially massachusetts, are more prices due to larger reliance on Nuclear Power, and of course with NYC relying on 2200 Megawatts from Indian Point does drive the supply cost upwards. Same for New England and their Nukes, and/or ongoing decommissioning costs for the shuttered or soon to be.

Glad to see the DC Quick Charger networks growing. The more the merrier. Less lines at chargers… less worry about where the next one is… they should be virtually everywhere. Go for ubiquity!

From their website today:
“The number of CHAdeMO DC Quick chargers installed up to today is 8549.
— (Japan 5418 Europe 1838 USA 1238 Others 55) last update 2015.06.30”
http://www.chademo.com/

Elroy is completely right. I find it funny that most people who own or lease electric vehicles tend to be of the higher educated type yet when it comes to simply doing the math conversion they steer clear. Energy is measured in many different forms depending on it’s application. If it has been determined that a gallon of gasoline is the equivalent of 33.7 kWh of energy, then why is it so hard to see the numbers he posted. Is it the consumers who should be punished because the cars they’ve chosen to drive are so efficient? Why should I compare it to a vehicle that get’s 25MPG. Thats nonsense and we should be proud of the efficiency these electric vehicles get. I should not be penalized into paying more for the same equivalent of energy used. I end up driving something that cost more and is effectively helping air pollution. Paying more for the same energy used is ridiculous. Would you think it was fair if you went to work and figured out how to do something in a more efficient way and then had the company not pay you as much because you figured out a way to… Read more »

I can pencil whip numbers with the best of them but I still say trying justify DCFC at this stage of EV infrastructure based on pure comparative energy cost has little value. If DCFC has a higher comparative energy cost and you only purchase DCFC for your EV then it wouldn’t make sense but that’s not a likely real world senario. Most people are going to home charge and only use DCFC when they travel away from home. The cost savings in DCFC is not the cost savings in fuel but the savings in what you would have to do if you didn’t DCFC. What are you going to have to do if you don’t DCFC, buy a second car, rent a car, take a plane? How much are those alternatives going to cost you compared occasional DCFC? Occasional DCFC makes a lot more sense when you factor in the cost of the alternatives.

Dan – maybe that sentence: “What are you going to have to do if you don’t DCFC, buy a second car, rent a car, take a plane? How much are those alternatives going to cost you compared occasional DCFC?” Needs to become a Posting or a Website – and examine those factors in more detail! As you say – “I can pencil whip numbers with the best of them” – so maybe I can convince you to do a report/page/spreadsheet on this and share the data with me to post on my EV Fest Website – where we can just link to? After all – looking at the posts above by Mike I with the RAV4 EV and eGolf – suggests we could at least demonstrate a half-dozen or so trips with local EV Charging options along the way with a sample of EV’s, and compare the EV Trip Times and charging costs versus going to rent an ICE, Taking the Train, Flying, Taking a Taxi/Limo – etc! Since not everyone lives within 20 minutes of an International Airport – some will have to take connecting flights with Layovers, and not everyone lives within 20 minutes of a Train Terminal,… Read more »
Before diving into whether NRG’s charges are fair or not, let me remind the gentle reader of something. Whether intentional or oversight, NRG stole 1 billion from CA utility customers. http://insideevs.com/whats-more-nervy-than-stealing-1-billion/ NRG then fought with CA in the courts for over a decade, costing the tax payers more money to litigate to get this money back. What CA and NRG settled on was that instead of NRG paying the money back with interest, NRG would instead use the money to build out a charging network in CA, which NRG would operate for profit. How do you even work up the nerve to ask for such a deal? Clearly there is not much money to be made from public charging stations at this point, however now is a good time to lock up good charging locations. In my view, what NRG has done is use stolen funds to establish an early monopoly position in charging infrastructure within CA. It is interesting that so many posters find the rates being charged are fair. They arrive at that conclusion not by looking at what it costs NRG to provide the electricity but by comparing it to what they would have to pay for… Read more »

We live in a free market and the price of any commodity is as high as the market will bare. If you don’t like the price then don’t pay it, you have a choice unlike you have when the oil companies raise the cost of gas. Companies like NRG are pioneers for providing. Of course NRG was forced into providing many of the DCFCs we have but it will probably take a long time for NRG or any of the DCFC providers to make a profit on their investment.

Marc Lee – So – what would it take to encourage/convince/squeeze NRG into cutting their rates – by 20%? In Half? Or lower? What if they were motivated/Encouraged/Required to partner with businesses and bill the businesses as a part of their advertising budget (the Businesses they partner with) and offered Free Charging to the public at their sites? This would mean essentially – the Businesses were paying for the charging – as part of their marketing costs, instead of the user/consumer/EV Driver pay the bill! At http://evcharging4marketing.evfest.ca/ I attempt to share why I think – EV Charging for Businesses is a smart way to promote their business, and if offered for Free does a lot to give them a positive view in the eyes of EV Drivers that visit them – and they actually can drive business to themselves better by offering free EV Charging, than offering it at a cost of any amount! Think of two charging stations – the same charging rate, one free and one not – which business or which charging station will draw the most users and the most positive comments – assuming both are up anytime needed, and not down for maintenance? (That’s also… Read more »

I’ve been trying to figure out why NRG doesn’t put CCS chargers at all its charging stations. In Texas we have a lot of BMW I3s that could use CCS chargers and a lot of NRG chargers that have CHAdeMO but no CCS. I think I figured out why NRG doesn’t have CCS chargers in a lot of states, the NRG web site says that NRG is partnered the General Motors. So I think if you’re in one of the state the Spark EV is sold you have CCS at your local NRG station. NRG is also partnered with Nissan so it makes sense that there are a lot more NRG stations with CHAdeMO chargers since Leafs are sold virtually every where. I guess Texas will just have to wait until Chevrolet starts selling the Spark EV or the Bolt here before we see CCS chargers at NRG stations.