Norwegians Loves Their EVs, But 85% have Backup ICE

AUG 8 2013 BY MARK KANE 16

Nissan LEAF

Nissan LEAF

A recent survey conducted by Elbilforeningen (Norwegian EV Association) asked 13,000 electric vehicle owners about their experience. Approximately 15% (1,858) answered questions.

First of all, roughly 91% of respondents are “very satisfied” and close to 9% “satisfied.” Only 7 owners reported being “less satisfied” or “dissatisfied.”

In Norway, there are over 500,000 households with two or more cars and the survey shows that typically people are swapping one of them with an EV.

Typical EV owner in Norway has a Nissan LEAF (not surprising since LEAF grabs almost all sales) and is using it daily, but that owner also typically has a second ICE vehicle.

In fact 85% of respondents have two or more vehicles, while 15% have only one vehicle: an EV.

But for 87-90%, the electric vehicle is their primary means of travel.  It seems maybe they just haven’t gotten around to selling that old ICE beater.

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It’s not about “not getting around to selling it”. It’s about still needing it for longer trips. Since the ICE car is already there, keeping it is less hassle than selling it and then looking to rent/share a car when needing to go on a trip.

Exactly. It’s the same situation in the US and what BMW pointed out so clearly as they target potential i3 buyers. And a large portion of the 15% will live in a household with someone else who owns an ICE vehicle or have someone outside the household where they have ICE vehicle access. It’s rare for anyone to go full EV without a backup plan.

This makes sense in that I plan to do the same thing once I buy a EV is keep the old ice car around in case I have to travel on a several hundred mile trip. In terms of people unloading ice cars they might most likely unload the oldest or the least fuel saving ones first.

Maybe the Americans are right after all. Not an EV and ICE in every household, but a BEV and an EREV. IMO, that is the winning combination.

I have seen many plug in hybrid cars in my area but I have never seen a fully electric car on the highway. I think plug in hybrids work in that if they make someone feel relaxed about driving a plug in car with the idea that the gas motor would kick in to help them if they run out of battery power it makes sense even if they end up rarely using the gas engine.

I have contemplated keeping my current ICE car when I buy my EV, but both the Zoe and Leaf with battery rental have a special ‘replacement ICE for long trips’ deal and so does the i3. And my ICE is in less then stellar condition, so I’ve decided my EV will be my only car. In the first year I don’t expect to use it for longer trips, but I think (hope) that by the second year that will be possible thanks to rapid deployment of chargers in the neighboring countries, especially the UK, my main destination.

Wow, Nissan is also offering a free ICE for long trips? Is this in the UK?

I would expect so. My dealer told me it’s the same deal as on the Renault cars.

But it’s not free, I think you get a discount when renting one. I would advise asking your dealer for details.

43,000 or so Americans love their EVs too and also have a backup ICE… in one car, the Volt. Mine has been driven 83% of the distance as an EV.

Are the Germans taking any notes from Norway? Mercedes is in the final testing stages of the B-class EV. Saw a black one in Maryland last weekend, going around and testing compatibility with the various deployed the charging stations. The two engineers in it were friendly, but a bit cautious about what they shared. They did not let us look too much inside or at all under the hood. However the car looked finished (courtesy of MDVolt.org).

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Volt could be a nice option for us, except we’re a 5-person family 😉

In short, let the options keep expanding!

Yes, that is also the reason I could not consider the Volt. Statistics show that about 15% of families have 3 kids, which is not really what one could call a rarity. So the GM Volt, and by the way the BMW i3, is leaving aside about one potential buyer out of seven from the very start of conception. In more families with 3 kids tend to move more since there is one extra kid you bring around to whatever is to do. This translates into more miles per year, so that is even more sales that are actually lost. And then there are the people that don’t have 3 kids but simply want a full back seat for friends or other reasons. Overall it turn out that forcing a two person seating in the back means losing upfront 20 % of the potential market. So instead of selling 4000 they could sell 5000, just because of a full backseat.

” simply want a full back seat for friends or other reasons.”
I wonder what those reasons could be…

That is the trouble with these large format cell; the automatically take up otherwise useful space.

But? Why “but”? Nothing wrong with keeping an old ICE around to handle long trips.

In a 2 car family, have one pure EV and one vehicle with an ICE . . . preferably a PHEV.

But in what big city can you have 2 parking lots per household? Keeping 2 cars is only suitable for suburban and countryside areas.

If you live in a big city you don’t need any car.

Maybe not to get around, but living there does not mean you do not have destinations outside the city.

My inner-city miles are traveled by using a HPV (human powered vehicle), other travels can include a motorized vehicle.