Nissan Working On Electric Sports Car & Crossover

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Nissan IDS Concept

Nissan IDS Concept

Nissan Gripz concept

Nissan Gripz concept

Nissan’s senior vice-president Shiro Nakamura confirmed to Auto Express that the automaker’s electric car lineup will expand to include a new crossover and even a sports car over the next five years.

Auto Express states:

“Senior vice-president Shiro Nakamura has told us that a new modular platform currently under development will be able to adopt conventional and alternative powertrains – and that this will be key to Nissan’s plan to broaden its EV line-up.”

Quoting Nakamura:

“We don’t want to limit our EVs just to the LEAF, We’re the leading EV manufacturer, but I don’t think we can make it just off one EV, so we want to grow the portfolio – that’s our next plan. It could be a crossover, it could be a sports car; we see much more opportunity for EVs than just a hatchback.”

2011 Nissan Esflow

2011 Nissan Esflow

Nissan has shown several sporty and crossover-ish plug-in electric car concepts, including the Gripz CUV, the Esflow and most recently the 60 kWh IDS that strongly foreshadows the next generation LEAF for 2017.

Doing a crossover electric is easy according to Nakamura, but the sports car present more issues related to battery placement and packaging:

“For a crossover, we don’t care about floor height because the model already has a high ground clearance, a sports car you have to make as low as possible.”

In addition to battery packaging, Nissan is reportedly considering a modular structure that could underpin several electric vehicles with only slight modifications required to accommodate each particular plug-in model.

Source: Auto Express

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69 responses to "Nissan Working On Electric Sports Car & Crossover"

  1. przemo_li says:

    Why no dedicated platform?

    O_o

    They are on the market long enough to know from Tesla example that they could do it, and the sales would support it!

    Oh well. Next time then.

    1. GaryMulcahey says:

      One platform that can take different drive trains saves on costs. Lower costs = lower ev prices. I’m ok with that.

      1. Aaron says:

        The problem people have with platform sharing is cross ICE/EV. EVs to sharing a platform (e.g., the Tesla Model S and X) isn’t an issue.

      2. R.S. says:

        Cars like the eGolf and the ioniq have shown, that the concept does not necessarily mean cost reduction.

        It might lead to limitations, or overcomplication. Most of the times for the pure EVs, just because of their Löwe value for the company, compared to their ICE counterparts.

        VW already wants to move to a dedicated EV platform strategy.

    2. Sublime says:

      Here’s the thing, Tesla hasn’t made a mass-market car. I’m talking a car they make 100s of 1000s of a year.
      Toyota, Nissan, Chevy, etc aren’t successful because they’re good at making cars, they’re successful because they’re good at making machines that make cars.
      These machines (really series of machines that are interdependent) have been tweaked over decades to create new vehicles and better platforms.
      Tesla has been very successful bringing new tech and ideas to the auto industry: Over the air updates, better connectivity, driver UIs, autonomous driving. These are all secondary fields for the major automakers.

      With the Model 3 they’re going to need to either mimic (will take too long) or outsmart the major automakers at their core business. Can they do it? I don’t know. But to point to Tesla as an example of how to do something right, when they’ve never done it before is absurd.

      1. krona2k says:

        Really? Would you say Honda are also in that category? I can tell you that they still have a huge amount of manual processes in their Swindon, UK factory. I was very surprised. From what I have seen on Tesla factory videos they are much more automated already.

        People keep saying that Tesla can’t mass produce cars because there’s some secret sauce that they don’t know. I just don’t believe that, they are already effectively mass producing the S and X, with the 3 the issues they will face are with optimizing the production process, just the same issues they faced with the S and that they are now dealing with with the X.

        1. John says:

          Just look at the model S chassis (the one they proudly display in every show room). It is definitely NOT designed for mass production. Hundreds of parts welded or bolted together. Yes, you can automate the process but it is not going to be economical. They will have to design model 3 differently and use bespoke tooling from the day one. This can be done, just not in two years they are talking about.

  2. Vexar says:

    This sounds like another Faraday Future baseline, which makes no sense, because it is Nissan. Why would they bother?

  3. Ct200h says:

    Nissan will keep quiet about future products until they are ready to launch and have tapered inventories.

    Hopefully they will have a strong offering in the new Leaf.

    1. LEAF_n_PiP says:

      I think most people overlook this and incorrectly assume the LEAF2.0 is significantly behind the Bolt in terms of release date, but it’s likely they’ll arrive at the same time, with Nissan being quiet up until close to then.

    2. Terawatt says:

      Don’t be too sure. They won’t speak of Leaf 2 for fear of killing Leaf 1 sales. But they may need to speak of it to limit Bolt sales once Chevy starts taking orders.

      If Leaf 2 comes in 2017, we’ll likely not hear about it until near release. But if it doesn’t arrive until 2018, Leaf sales are dead for 2017 regardless, and they would have more to gain than to lose by revealing the next generation early.

      1. John says:

        Which means Leaf 2 will arrive shortly after or at the same time as Bolt.

        Judging by the interest in model 3, none of the upcoming 200 mile EVs will be able to saturate the market. So, if you are price sensitive, don’t want to be stuck in a 1-2 year long waiting list, and need a car for commuting only, Leaf 1 is still a good option.

        A good thing about Leaf 2 is, because it has not been revealed yet, there is no waiting list on it. So if you are shopping for a 200 mile EV at the end of 2016, this very well may be the car you can get the soonest.

  4. jelloslug says:

    Stop talking about it and DO it already.

    1. mr. M says:

      well they are doing something already, when launching in less than 5 years is in the works.

  5. RexxSee says:

    Another “race” car not racing at at all to reach market.
    Still NO competition from established OEMs, only marketing and greenwashing B.S.

    1. ffbj says:

      It is quite amazing that years after its release there is still no competition for the Model S. Now with the advent of the Model X we still see nothing in the foreseeable future to compete with that.

      Even the Model III won’t have much competition, as the Bolt will be in the same ballpark. It just won’t be in the same league.

      1. Terawatt says:

        It’s not such a big mystery. EVs mean a big risk if you’re an incumbent. You’ll probably have to do them, but might save a lot by waiting before you bite the bullet.

        If you’re Tesla, you don’t have any way forward but to take big risks.

        So what we see is basically what we should expect.

        1. RexxSee says:

          Big risk? lol! They all easily have done good EVs 18 years ago.


          http://s22.postimg.org/p1wqncpqp/Rav4_Altra_EV1_EPA.jpg

          1. ModernMarvelFan says:

            All sub 100 miles EV with original EASIER testing cycles which cost 2x to 4x of what 100 miles EV cost today…

            1. RexxSee says:

              Nope. If you look at the picture closely, you find these are updated 2015 equivalent EPA cycles (The hard ones).
              The cost excuse is valid only because they never cared to build them massively. They knew just like anybody else except you that any car built in such small numbers will cost much.

              1. RexxSee says:

                Here is just for you, the direct link in Miles ans MPGs
                https://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/Find.do?action=sbs&id=16424&id=16423&id=30969

            2. RexxSee says:

              88,90 and 105 miles, SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO! And two of those are easy adaptations of an existing model!

              1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                And LEAF has 107 miles beating all of them on a much tougher EPA cycle than 17 year ago and cost about 1/3 what it costs 17 years ago.

                You don’t call that progress, do you? Prius driving Tesla fan boy…

                1. RexxSee says:

                  Did you even read what I wrote?
                  This rating is normalized equivalent 2015 EPA Cycle. So the Leaf beats the EV1 by 2 miles. What a tremendous progress for 11 years apart!

                  1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                    ” So the Leaf beats the EV1 by 2 miles. What a tremendous progress for 11 years apart!”

                    Cutting the price by 1/3 doesn’t count?

                    Increase the seating capacity by 2.5x doesn’t count?

                    That is 7.5x the total improvement in 11 years…

                    Yes, according to your conspiracy, those improvements don’t count.

  6. Maybe Nissan is still not reading The Tesla Master Plan, as presented, once again, in the Model 3 Reveal, Part 1!

    Beyond maybe having something join the Leaf, maybe they could team up with Kia and Mitsubishi, and start a plan to build out a decent DC QC map coverage for USA and Canada?

    1. G2 says:

      Great idea about the dcfc network

  7. ct200h says:

    IMO NO car manufacturer will build a high speed charging network equaling Tesla’s anytime in the near future (10/20 years ? ) possibly never.
    Teslas advantage is measured in decades not years.
    Even a great EV with 250 miles range will be
    unable to compete with Teslas offerings combined with the SC network.
    the giants are still sleeping

    1. Texas FFE says:

      Here we go again, anything non-Tesla bad. Get a life .

      1. RexxSee says:

        Well, Tesla semms to hit homeruns on all aspects…so…

        1. ModernMarvelFan says:

          Except for making money part or the ramping up the production.

          Cue the excuses now provided by all the Tesla fan boys in the following replies…

          1. RexxSee says:

            Tesla has a big markup on every car but reinvest most of it in their huge success and rapid growth, Musk likes to risk… and win… just like Amazon did as a .com startup.
            Tesla Hater!

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              LOL.

              You fill the role perfectly as I have predicated.

              As far as you classification of “tesla haters” go, if Tesla hater is someone who puts $1000 down for the Model 3 but don’t agree with a some Canadian Prius fan boy’s often stupid comment, then I guess there are lots of us out there that Tesla love… LOL

      2. super390 says:

        The complaint is with the culture of conventional automakers. They want to create a new niche, not have it replace ICE. So they won’t spend on charging networks. Maybe they think governments and utilities can be pushed into doing it if they stall long enough. But the governments can’t get serious until voters see EV as “mainstream”, and the automakers aren’t really working towards that goal.

        Thus someone is stuck having to play the role of both Henry Ford and John Rockefeller to carry out this transportation revolution.

        1. MikEV says:

          Your statement is incredibly profound. Musk is in the incredibly difficult and lonely position of filling the shoes of Rockefeller and Henry Ford. Huge risks. Huge potential upside too. While we wait on everyone else. And wait. Ghosn seems to understand the way forward…

      3. Tech01x says:

        When it comes to BEVs, no one else is pushing as hard as Tesla. That is evident in the cars, in the overall ownership experience, and in the ecosystem. It is also evident in how quickly Tesla pushes advances out the door.

        Beyond the obvious things like Superchargers to enable real long distance travel, Tesla deploys thousands of destination chargers at 40-80A, with most at 60-80A to all sorts of hotels, BnBs, and resorts. A standard kit for Tesla is supply two HWPC’s and a J1772.

        Tesla sells the lowest price L2 EVSE per amp – the Tesla 80A HPWC just got revised and the price dropped to $500. Clipper Creek makes great EVSE’s but $500 buys you a 24A L2 EVSE. Their 48 amp EVSE costs $899.

        Now, if other automakers pushed this hard, or could be trusted to push this hard, then all things new EV wouldn’t be mostly Tesla. But what has Nissan done lately? VAG, Ford, etc? We get warmed over ICE platform conversions, some wretched PHEVs, and so forth.

    2. Alex says:

      If a government build it for you like in Japan, Norway, UK or France no one care about Tesla SC. The car makers don’t need invest money and even if Tesla would have 30000 SC it’s just a start, we need houndred thousands.

      1. Dwayne says:

        We do not need hundreds of thousands of Superchargers. Only enough the two percent of the time when we don’t charge from home.

        What is needed in hundreds of thousands are Level 2 charging stations in every apartment parking lot so those a living there can charge at home like typical home owners.

      2. Nix says:

        The U.S. Census Bureau says there is around 120,000 gas stations in the U.S. Why would we need more Tesla superchargers than gas stations at any time in the near future?

        Not only do EV owners charge at home, it is going to be a while before EV’s are even 10% of all vehicles, and Tesla is only one company among many that build EV’s.

        By the time EV’s achieve significant market penetration to start replacing gas stations in large numbers, there will likely be advances in battery and EV technology where the current needs will be obsolete.

        How many Superchargers will we need in the US when we have a 10X improvement in a new battery technology, and car makers can fit a 1000 mile battery in the same space as as a current 100 mile battery, and it costs a few thousand dollars so there is no reason to skimp on range?

    3. Someone out there says:

      There are plenty of CCS and CHAdeMO chargers around and more are coming all the time. A charging network doesn’t have to be designed by the car manufacturer. In fact, if every car manufacturer would have their own design it would be detrimental to the business! The supercharger system is nice but it will get competition from the other standards once they get higher charging speeds out.

      1. Texas FFE says:

        Texas had three more dual CCS/CHAdeMO chargers installed this week. Texas now has fourteen CCS chargers and sixty eight CHAdeMO chargers. I’m going out to look at one of new dual chargers this weekend to see what the kW rating is, hoping the rating of these new chargers is at least 100 kW.

        1. Texas FFE says:

          The non-Tesla DCFC stations in Texas are clustered in DFW, Austin and Houston. The clustering works pretty well for BEVs with 200 mile range like the Bolt because you can travel between DFW, Austin,San Antonio and Houston and all cities within a 200 mile range just using DCFC stations to charge. I’m really looking forward to getting a 200 mile BEV with DCFC to get me out of the limitations of my first generation FFE.

        2. Texas FFE says:

          Oklahoma City is within the 200 mile radius of DFW but it only has a CHAdeMO charger. New Orleans is a little outside the 200 mile radius from Houston and it also only has a CHAdeMO charger. Pretty soon you’ll be able to drive all the way across the country just using CCS or CHAdeMO. Chargers.

          1. Nick says:

            Will you concede that avalibility for Super Chargers is much better than typical (all?) CHAdeMO or CCS chargers?

            Super charger sites all have many stalls and redundant power electronics. CHAdeMO sites are infamous for their unreliably. Perhaps CCS sites are better?

            1. Texas FFE says:

              I concede that I wish there were a lot more CHAdeMO/CCS stations built and dispersed like the Superchargers, you can already travel cross country going from supercharger to supercharger and you are always likely to find an unused charger. I’m not going to buy a very expensive Tesla just so I can use their proprietary supercharger stations. The CCS network growth makes me feel good because CCS is a standard developed to be used by all auto manufacturers, I care a lesser amount about the CHAdeMO network growth and I have little more than a passing interest in the supercharger network growth.

              The Tesla supercharger network is very impressive but I think it’s tremendous liability for Tesla and Tesla vehicle owners. I want nothing to do the Superchargers unless Tesla opens them up for use by other auto manufacturers vehicles and implements an on demand payment system.

              1. Tech01x says:

                The CCS spec as it stands is insufficient. Some of Tesla’s packs already charge at 370 amps and the discussion about the next rev of CCS can only hit 350 amps. Right now, the limit is 200 amps. All Model S’s can charge at over 300 amps.

                So you are supported a dead spec. A spec that shouldn’t be deployed today. The industry could have standardize on a 350 amp spec back in 2010/2011 when Tesla was basically begging them to do it. The automakers didn’t want standardization at that point. So screw them.

    4. Terawatt says:

      Plain silly. There are already CCS chargers operating in Norway where you can get 120 kW with your Model S and a CCS adapter. The spec is in place for 150 kW and work is well underway on 300 kW.

      And Tesla has joined the alliance. It’s not clear what that means, but perhaps people will come to their senses and share the infrastructure. Do you really think gas stations that served only one make of car would be a good thing? If not, why is chargers for one make a good idea?

      It’s better for everyone, including Tesla and Tesla drivers, if the folly ends and everyone chips in to get far more infrastructure for our money.

      In Norway, no car can use as many as half the far charging points. Why? Because every station has CCS and CHAdeMO, unless it’s Tesla-specific. Meaning more money spent to get less usefulness for all.

      1. Tech01x says:

        No, there are no chargers in Norway that support 120 kW to a single vehicle since there are no plug standards over 200 amps. Take a Kia Soul EV and it’ll charge for a briefly around 70 kW off that supposedly 120 kW EVSE.

        200A x 350 volts or so = 70kW. They can claim 1000kW, and it won’t be true.

        1. mr. M says:

          The charger supports 120kW, the cars not yet.

          1. mr. M says:

            The CCS Plug is maximal 200A, 600V. Meaning 120kW can be accieved.

    5. mr. M says:

      Lol, no manufacturer need to build a charging network. Sure it is a advantage from tesla, the question will be how much people will pay for the superchargers. If BEVs reach more than 10% marketshare they will be build by others.

      10% marketshare will be easy, it only depends on the price and battery prices are falling. See norway as example what low priced BEVs can do.

      My predictions are (prices without incentives):
      2018 there will be 3 BEV models (with 200+ AER) for less than 40k. Marketshare for EVs reaching 2-3%.
      2022 the first long range BEV for less than 30k will appear. Marketshare around 10% in the US, 25% in the EU.
      2025 the first long range BEV for less than 20k will appear. Marketshare approaching 30% in USA, 35% in EU.

  8. Texas FFE says:

    There’s a desperate need for larger BEVs with AWD and towing capabilities, even Class 1 towing capabilities. Although there’s not much “need” for a BEV sports car, Nissan has made popular sports cars in the past. Expanding the range of BEV models is a good thing.

  9. CDAVIS says:

    “Nissan Building a Supercharger Network”

    or

    “Large Consortium of Car Makers Includng Nissan Building Supercharger Network”

    …That’s the headline needed for Nissan to continue grow its EV market share otherwise they will eventually loose much of the EV market share they currently have to Tesla.

  10. ct200h says:

    I have good experience using chademo charge points having had a Leaf for 50,000 miles.

    single point DCFC can not be counted on.
    doesnt matter if they are Tesla, CCS or chademo if there is only one charger and its blocked, in use or broken you are stuck.
    its happened to all of us at some point me included.
    Multi unit DCFC is whats needed Min 2 and should be 4, 6 or 8 point plus at each location

    1. TomArt says:

      Another point of brilliance for the SC network…the average number of stalls is 5 or 6, with a few as much as 10.

  11. proxymusanonimy says:

    Nissan should look into offering different battery pack sizes.

    1. mr. M says:

      Do you know that they do this already?

  12. Murrysville EV says:

    Five years is an eternity. Move along; nothing to see here.

  13. Eco says:

    Front fender scoops look so ugly!
    It seems most of the Japanese automakers are adopting them?
    To me it’s the antithesis of a sleek, modern, aerodynamic design that I’d expect from an electric car!

  14. G2 says:

    ‘Needs’ and ‘Wants’;

    80% of people can do 90% of their transport ‘Needs’ from a small car that has 120-130km of range daily- this was what the LEAF was designed to meet.

    However, those same people ‘Want’ a sexier car with longer range (that they will only rarely use) to fulfill their self esteem. That is what Tesla builds the S and X for.

    The car that Nissan is proposing seems, to me, to be a cross between these two thoughts and could be very successful ‘IF’ brought to market soon.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      So what are people supposed to do about the 10% of their transportation needs that a short range BEV can’t fulfill? People need vehicles that achieve 100% of thier transportation needs, not 90% of them. Us early adopters are willing to make sacrifices but the average person will not and in many cases cannot make these sacrifices.

      For wide spread BEV adoption we have to have affordable long range BEVs and the fast charging infrastructure to support longer distance travel.

      1. Nick says:

        People can be very creative when they have no choice.

        Internalize the cost of burning gas, and people will figure out how to make short range BEVs work in no time.

    2. TomArt says:

      I’m a 1-car household – when I go EV, it’s Tesla or bust. No other vehicles in production or in active development, as yet, have the combination of range, style, performance, utility and intercity infrastructure.

  15. Larry4pyro says:

    “Senior vice-president Shiro Nakamura has told us that a new modular platform currently under development will be able to adopt conventional and alternative powertrains – and that this will be key to Nissan’s plan to broaden its EV line-up.”

    Does this mean the same platform will be used for conventional ICE cars and battery EVs, or both together in a hybrid configuration?

    I don’t think the jury’s out any more on the issue of battery thermo management systems. Hopefully the next Nissan EVs will be equipped with a TMS to protect their batteries.

    Will we ever see Nissan building their own Supercharger network? I really don’t know, but if it was up to me I would go the extended range EV route instead. Batteries have improved enough that for most people can easily do over 95% of their trips without recharging their batteries. Why build an expensive network of Nissan unique quick charging stations to satisfy this small percentage? Instead of lugging around a huge 2 or 3 hundred mile battery why not use a smaller and cheaper battery just large enough for daily needs and a range extender ICE/generator for the few long trips. Cheaper, lighter, less time stopped and more flexibility as there are about 10,000 times more gas stations than Supercharger stations.

    I’m confident Nissan will fight to retain their position with products that can go head to head with Tesla or GM.

    1. Texas FFE says:

      I own a Fusion Energi but I bought my FFE after I bought my Fusion. I would replace my Fusion if there was a comparable, affordable BEV. I don’t like the added cost or complexity of PHEV and there never seems to be enough battery range.

      There are two schools of concerning location of DCFC charging stations. One is to locate stations along highways for long-distance travel. The other is to place stations in cities where apartment dwellers can use them.

      Both schools of thought have their merit. If even a single DC FC charger was placed in cities and towns along highways then that would address both schools of thought, local apartment dwellers would have fast charging capabilities for their needs and long distance travelers would be able to utilize those chargers for their longer trips. Supporting both schools are of thought is needed to perpetuate the adoption of BEVs.

  16. Foo says:

    Why do these cars have to look like they’re about to turn into Transformers? Can’t they make nice-looking cars?

  17. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Stop talking Nissan.

    Build it…

    1. Mont says:

      Amen. Long time Nissan/Infiniti owner and would love to get into EV Nissan not named Leaf. Crossover/CUV/SUV – please!

  18. TP says:

    IMHO, I believe it is time for Nissan to drop the price on the first generation Leaf by about $8-10K (USD). Otherwise I think that sales are going to continue to plummet until the 2nd Gen Leaf arrives.

    As for other models… I think that Nissan should have already had at least one more EV for sale world-wide. I applaud them for talking about bringing more, but I won’t be waiting on the sidelines. If someone else comes up with an all electric S/CUV, I may jump ship.