Nissan Reveals U.S. Pricing For LEAF e-Plus: Costs More Than Model 3

MAR 1 2019 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 288

LEAF e-Plus pricing revealed.

Nissan has just revealed U.S. pricing for the 62-kWh version of the LEAF.

Unfortunately, pricing seems a bit too high following yesterday’s $35,000 Tesla Model 3 announcement.

There’s a lot to like with this new LEAF. Its 62-kWh battery provides a range of up to 226 miles. Had it not been for Tesla shocking the world last night with the Model 3 base price announcement, we’d be rather excited for the LEAF.

However, all versions of the LEAF e-Plus check in at a higher price than $35,000. Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Prices (MSRP) for the 2019 Nissan LEAF PLUS are:

  • LEAF S PLUS $36,550 USD
  • LEAF SV PLUS $38,510 USD
  • LEAF SL PLUS $42,550 USD

Destination and Handling is $895 USD

Let’s not assume the LEAF e-Plus will flop due to pricing though. It does have benefits over Teslas. For example, Nissan can sell and service its EVs in all 50 states. Furthermore, the LEAF is a hatchback, which brings with it more versatility than the Model 3’s sedan body style.

With pricing now known, will you be buying the LEAF e-Plus or perhaps opting for the Model 3, Hyundai Kona Electric or Kia Niro EV instead? Sales of the LEAF e-Plus start nationwide later this month.

The 2019 Nissan LEAF PLUS is offered in three well-equipped grade levels: S PLUS, SV PLUS and SL PLUS. The 2019 Nissan LEAF is also available in three 40 kWh grades – S, SV and SL.

Full press blast from Nissan below:

Maker of the world’s best-selling electric vehicle announces pricing for the new longer-range Nissan LEAF PLUS

  • LEAF S PLUS starting price is $36,5501 with up to 226 miles of range
  • The Nissan LEAF, with the 40kWh battery and up to 150 miles of range,3 is available at a starting price of under $30,000
  • Nissan continues to offer 8-year/100,000 mile warranty on lithium-ion battery pack which also includes battery capacity loss protection for the customer4

NASHVILLE, Tenn. (March 1, 2019) – The new Nissan LEAF PLUS pricing starts at $36,550 and goes on sale at Nissan retailers nationwide this month.

The “PLUS” designation refers to the increased energy density of the model’s 62 kWh battery pack and the higher 214-horsepower output of its powertrain versus the 40 kWh option.

The new Nissan LEAF S PLUS powertrain adds to the car’s range by approximately 50 percent with an EPA range of up to 226 miles2 (versus the standard 2019 Nissan LEAF 150 mile range3), ensuring that there’s a Nissan LEAF to meet the driving needs of a wider range of customers.

The new powertrain also allows faster acceleration when driving at high speeds. Accelerating nearly 13 percent quicker than the standard Nissan LEAF. In addition, thanks to a standard new 100kW capacity quick charging system, the 2019 Nissan LEAF PLUS can charge more efficiently.

“With the addition of LEAF PLUS, the Nissan LEAF is now available with two battery options and a choice of six trim levels – each featuring the many advanced technologies offered under the banner of Nissan Intelligent Mobility,” said Brian Marango, director, EV Sales and Marketing, Nissan North America, Inc.

Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Prices1 (MSRP) for the 2019 Nissan LEAF PLUS are:

LEAF S PLUS $36,550 USD

LEAF SV PLUS $38,510 USD

LEAF SL PLUS $42,550 USD

Destination and Handling $895 USD

The Nissan LEAF embodies Nissan Intelligent Mobility, the company’s vision for changing how cars are powered, driven and integrated into society. The three key aspects of Nissan Intelligent Mobility, exemplified by the 2019 Nissan LEAF, are Nissan Intelligent Driving, Nissan Intelligent Power and Nissan Intelligent Integration.

Offering a dynamic design and advanced technologies such as ProPILOT Assist and ePedal, the LEAF PLUS also features standard Rear Door Alert (RDA) 6, a system that can help remind customers of items that may be forgotten in the rear seat.

There are also subtle clues to the LEAF’s PLUS designation, including a revised front fascia with blue highlights and an e+ logo plate on the underside of the charge port lid. Also included is rear trim level badges designating the grade levels as S PLUS, SV PLUS and SL PLUS.

Boasting a spacious, highly functional interior with a quality, high-tech feel, the combination of premium materials throughout the cabin befits a luxury vehicle. Vibrant blue contrast stitching for the steering wheel, seats and instrument panel accentuate the car as a Nissan electric vehicle.

The cabin’s interior dimensions comfortably accommodate five people, while the rear cargo area is designed to provide ample luggage space, offering 23.6 cubic feet of available stowage. It also allows for easy charging cable storage.

Every 2019 Nissan LEAF PLUS is offered with a limited warranty4 covering defects in materials or workmanship for eight years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, for the lithium-ion battery pack. Nissan also provides a limited warranty against battery capacity loss below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for the first eight years or 100,000 miles for all models.

The 2019 Nissan LEAF PLUS is offered in three well-equipped grade levels: S PLUS, SV PLUS and SL PLUS. The 2019 Nissan LEAF is also available in three 40 kWh grades – S, SV and SL.

The Nissan LEAF is the best-selling electric vehicle in the world5 with more than 390,000 global sales and over 130,000 U.S. sales since its 2010 debut.

For more information on the 2019 LEAF and the complete Nissan vehicle lineup, please visit NissanNews.com.

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DOA it would have been a nice car before yesterday. The model 3 cannot be beat on value.

Yup, and that was even before $35K Tesla 3 announcement.

You guys are both forgetting that

1. The US is not the Leaf’s dominant market anymore
2. Nissan still enjoys the full Fed rebate
3. The Leaf is always offered via good lease deals as well
4. A rising tide lifts all. We’re in this together.

Nissan hasn’t offered good lease deals on the Leaf in many years.

Haha, I am right now @Nissan for an 18month Service on our 2017. Lease price? 0 down, $125/mo.

Details: Where? What model level? Sorry to be skeptical, but you can’t even find Fiat 500e for that low.

2017 SV brand-new. Had loyalty credit (it’s our 3rd consecutive Leaf lease) and was on the list of Nissan-favored employers for an additional credit. Does Tesla give loyalty credit? Maybe yes; I think they give a referral credit, right? Seems like the conditions of that keep changing, just like any automaker.

Even without the credits it would have been an amazing lease, and then our dealer looked around to find those credits for us. We have some very Leaf-friendly dealerships here in greater Seattle.

Granted, that was the 2017 closeout season (the start of that season, to be exact). But I suspect that pretty soon you can get *very* good leases on the 150-mile 2019’s. We got around with an 84-mile Leaf as our only car, so I’m pretty sure 150 miles will do given the right price 🙂

Good for you then. I was following the Leaf Lease rates for a long time, watching comments on mynissanleaf.com. Lease rates were amazing for a long time on Leafs, but in past few years not many deals to be had. I wound up getting a great lease on a Clarity.

If you go to the Nissan Wbsitre you can get a LEAF starting about $220 if you want a lease, maybe 3,000 down though.

Assaf, the thing to remember is the amazing lease deals were only available in very specific limited markets. Most of the US customers didn’t get access to the fabulous deals. Even now with the not so good lease offers can vary wildly depending on which state you live in and go from just mediocre to horrible. I’m not putting $7k down for a $375 lease or $4k down and a $450 payment. (Based on 40kWh SL Trim lease offers in Texas)

In zip code 73301 in Texas you should qualify for a $7500 Federal tax credit. $1500 home charger credit, and almost $7500 in state and utility company credits and incentives. You should be able to get a 2019 Leaf for about $15,000 new. Drive it in the 20-80% charge range like any EV and it will last 20 years, I don’t care how hot it gets inTexas.

I could not get a lease price but a purchase price is a no brainer.

Really. We talking about 2nd generation leaf you come out with frog face leaf. Of course leases are cheap.

Tell me where? Too good to be true

try this one for Texas http://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/cost-calculator/rebates/ You might be able to get into a brand new 2019 LEAF for less than $15,000. Even less if you qualify for a loyalty 1,000 discount.

I bet you in California. I live in Ohio, I’m not getting that deal

Stop taking out your butt please

Please don’t take out your butt.

That and no liquid management and chademo and on top of that Rapidgate

That’s all fake news. IF you charge to 80% like all the manufacturers recommend you will not have a problem with getting throttled back. Even then it is only slowing you down from 45kW to 20kW.

We just got a 2018 Nissan LEAF for $13 or $15 below retail. Excellent deal. Leases start at about $220.

You might be surprised it looked like $240 a month and $2900 down to me. I used to pay more for gas, a lot more, each month when i drove my crew cab 8 years ago.
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/cost-calculator/rebates/

Sure but the value isn’t there. It would be decent at $32K now that you can get a much better car (model 3) for less.

Not for less – for ~5k more (factoring in rebate/delivery diff), unless black is your color in which case it’s 3k.

And the Leaf is a substantially larger space-wise.

What space? Interior, no. Cargo, no.

Half right –
Interior (EPA)

Leaf – – – – – -92.4
Model 3 – – – 97

Cargo (EPA)

Leaf – – – – 23
Model 3 – – 15

Bolt—19.2

Bolt EV Frunk — 0.0

??? I’m seeing Bolt with 16.9 cubic feet of cargo space.

Leaf is 23.6, so round up to 24 cu ft if using 2 digits.

You know, all that means is that the Model Y is a finishing blow.

My dog may not be too happy if I split him half in the frunk and half in the trunk, neither of which have any circulation or windows.

Instead of jumping with silly comments, how about you try to – say – Google the cargo space for the two cars?

The Leaf has 60% more, and it’s not split into trunk and frunk either.

While this is a big benefit, and some people will need the utility, the Model 3 is way more desirable than the Leaf in many other ways.

For a two-car household, a Leaf and a Model 3 would be pretty sweet!

Much better, why would anyone say that? In my eyes why would anyone buy the Tesla Model 3. It has less range, smaller, cost 3 to 10x more for replacement parts, takes months to get serviced, provided by a car that may not even be in business in a year, the paint is cheap, the quality is poor, and if it is anything at all like the Model S It sill soon be near the top of the lemon list of cars to avoid. People need to find the best car that suites their needs. I agree if you want the best performance car the Tesla is the best choice, but if you are looking for the best family car you really need to look at the LEAF or the Bolt, the Tesla is a very poor choice.

1) Soon Japan will be the LEAF’s only dominant market.
2) If sales are above pathetic, it will cross 200k soon.
3) Massive discounts via subsidized leases making the LEAF really $25k car can move the sales meter.
4) Not if you have a leaky boat.

If they still have the federal tax credit, they’re going to need it for lease deals.

In some areas you can get a new LEAF after Federal, State and utility credits for around $15,000. Excellent family cars.

1a. In case you don’t follow EV news, in 2018 the Leaf was Norway’s best-selling car in the *general* market, selling there almost as many Leafs as in the US. http://ev-sales.blogspot.com/2019/01/norway-december-2018.html It may not be #1 in 2019, but it will still sell nicely there. As well as elsewhere in Europe, where the rise in EV sales is not an exclusive Tesla phenomenon. 1b. This very site has reported rather long waitlists for the Leaf (both flavors) in Europe. 2. In the US OTOH, the only model to thus far beat the Leaf’s 2014 record of 30k/year was the Model 3 last year. No other EV is likely to reach 30k/year here any time soon, the Leaf included. But that’s not “pathetic” in US EV sales terms. Anyhoo, Nissan has a good 2+ years’ worth of full rebate left, enough to survive the rest of Dump’s term, after which we all hope the Fed government will get its act together and institute a new and stronger EV incentive program. 3. We don’t have any arguments here, do we? 4. It’s an interesting “leaky boat”, one that has managed to increase range 3x over 8 model years, while maintaining the same… Read more »

Its one of the most reliable cars ever made too.

By now Nissan should have the 200+ mile Leaf at closer to $30k with the volume sales over the years so it has its consumer brand space to sell. it’s $35k+ price pushes it into the premium/luxury car space where it does not belong and now competing with Model 3 which it can’t.

$35k gets you the standard Model 3, but who wants a Tesla without Autopilot?? Add the $3k and it’s $38k. Want a color other than black and now it’s $39,500. Want wheels other than black, now it’s $41k and well equipped and still below the Leaf SL at $42,550.

But the Standard Range Plus with the near premium interior and we are at $43k(I think the destination is included?)…so still less than the Leaf SL and you get everything that makes a Tesla a Tesla.

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The base Model 3 sounds amazing to me, and everyone knows that black is the fastest color!

The LEAF 40kWh starts at $22,000 and the 62kWh starts at $29,000. IF you include the gas savings like Tesla does you can subtract $5,000 off those prices.

“The Leaf is always offered via good lease deals as well”
What?!! Where? Show me the new Leaf on a good lease, i really wanna see it! I have looked for months and then finally gave up.

I leased a loaded 2018 SL in April 2018. Lousy lease. The 2-year was much worse. But love the car. Our third Leaf. ZERO problems, only change out the cabin filter once a year. My wife also loves it. We will give the Y a look in a couple of years, but the 3 has had quality problems. The Tesla is a cult car, so problems get overlooked. Consumers Report shows problems. I am pulling for Elon nevertheless.

I have had my Model 3 LR RWD since end of August and have had zero problems that can be attributed to Tesla (someone hit and dented the trunk while it was parked).

Consumer Reports scoring gave the Model 3 a 5 out of 5 score on 14 out of 17 categories in their quality survey, including all of the top 12 categories when ranked in terms of importance to reliability (all related to the car’s drivetrain components). They scored a 4 out of 5 in the paint/trim and in-car electronics categories, and a 3 out of 5 in the body hardware category.

I believe that most of the quality problems are related to the early-ramp cars built in the first half of 2018.

Thats excellent news, Enjoy your 3. I washed a 2012 SL LEAF the other day that we sold. While I was washing it I was impressed by the quality of the car and the paint. It was impeccable. That lady got a bargain. 2012, 50K miles, 12 bars, still charges to over 90 miles in summer. IF you charge your EV 20-80% it will last a long time even in a hot climate.

It is $249 a month now for 36 months and $2900 due at signing. for a base LEAF. $375 a month for the SL. Heck that is less than I used to put in my pickup truck 8 years ago before I bought my LEAF. I used to spend $350 a month in gasoline for my truck.

It only shows us that Nissan is still not serious in shifting to electrics. Massive production takes down the price tag big time, but they won’t do it.

Don’t we have the worst threat the human race as ever encounter (provoked) to address ASAP ?!?

How we still do f..ing business as usual when the cataclysm is closing in !?!? How sCupid can we be?

Tesla is in every market that Nissan is, with perhaps the exception of corrupt Japan.

Not remotely true. The Leaf was being sold in >60 countries over a year ago.
Teslas are currently available in ~40, and the Model 3 specifically in 6-7 less (the LHD countries in Europe, Australia & Asia, including the UK which is quite a big market).

You can only buy a Tesla in about 25 states in America.

Was told by Nissan dealer that there are only 5000 available in Europe for 2019.
So price does not really matter.

Doesn’t that only apply to the silly “limited edition” that was reported here?

In 2014 if I had to bet, between Nissan and Tesla, which company would have its CEO put in prison vs which would be the first to sell a 200+ mile range BEV for $35k…

Right, because of being in violation of SEC agreement.

The LEAF 2019 62kWh is about $28,000 after federal tax credits and a $1,000 military or brand loyalty discount. And you can quick charge for free at most Nissan dealers if you ever travel out of town. I think it might cost $25 to $40 to quick charge at a Tesla at supercharger, not sure about the current rates, I don’t own a Tesla. Maybe they still do free supercharging. The Tesla is a great performance sports car, not a very good family choice unless you are pretty wealthy.

Not just value, Performance! 0-60 5.4 sec vs 0-60 7.0 sec? Not even close. Plus if you live in Phoenix Arizona and get a Leaf E+, your battery will probaby die in 5 years.

Not just performance: Ride Dynamics and Comfort.
Tesla modeled their suspension after the BMW 3 series, the Leaf has the crude bump transferring torsion beam suspension. Painful in cities.

Where did you get the information that Tesla modeled their suspension after the BMW 3 series?

Thats fake news. The eplus battery will probably last 20 years if you charge it the same as the Tesla, 20-80% daily and save 100% for trips out of town. I would actually put my money on the LEAF battery lasting longer since it is the same size now. The LEAF batteries since 2014 have been outstanding.

Maybe because the company doesn’t look like it is in liquidation.

Neither of them are anywhere near “liquidation”.
Good to see you’ll believe anything, without looking up actual financial documents.

Seems you already liquidated your 🧠.

Not just the leaf. The new Audis, MB, BMW, and Kia and Hyundai. Actually everyone in the industry. No wonder the shorts are going insane.

Tesla has clobbered the industry.
If you want an EV, you’re getting a Tesla.

Well,let’s just say, for arguments sake, one already has a Model X, adding a Leaf E+ would be an interesting owners perspective, in comparison!

Well, the Niro and Kona have a similar price, less costly options and more range, than the 3. But IMO that’s still more a problem of the Leaf, which is more directly a competitor and just lacks the range.

The Niro and Kona availability is practically zero except for some places like Norway.

It doesn’t matter what he price and options are if you cannot get one. Don’t confuse hype and actual availability.

Realistically, the Model 3 SR is your best chance to get a proper, validated/well-known and somewhat affordable EV in 2019 and 2020.

As a side note: Their battery longevity has not been tested like that of the Tesla Model S and X. We can only hope that they will degrade as slowly as Teslas. Liquid cooling is necessary for a long-lasting battery but may not be the only factor (cell quality, proper charge curves, cell balancing…and other management stuff which may shorten your battery life if implemented badly).

Kia and I believe Hyundai have 8 year warranties on the batteries.
If you are in Europe or the UK (ha ha) you have very low/no chance respectively to get a $35k model 3 this year.
Kia/Hyundai availability is dire but i can at least order one for hopeful late this year / early next so really no practical difference to the 3.
There are many like me that dont want a saloon, and simply will not get one, they want a hatchback and dont want a larger car like the 3, so the 3 is a non starter anyway. I would look at the Model Y but how many years away is that and how big will it be? That maybe is something for the car after the next one !
I can get Kia and Hyundai on a lease. Not yet available (AFAIK) on 3.

Model S & X batteries are not warranted for degradation, only manufacturing defects. However the 2170 cells used in the Model 3 are warranted to be minimum 70% after 8 years, no mileage limit.

Honestly I get the availability issues and I agree on that. But what you are saying about battery longevity is utter BS.

I have never heard about Soul drivers with battery issues. And Tesla has new and unproven cells as well. But both will last long. All of that batteries won’t last long is detractor talk and has no place in a serious discussion about new EVs. Nissan has it’s problems, but we should not include other makes in that mess.

Not really true because: 1) Leaf can be purchased with a substantial discount off MSRP, 2) Nissan USA offers various incentives including cash back, below market financing and two year free charging, 3) Nissan still has the full $7,500 fed tax credit. So the real point is that the actual net cost of the Leaf, Bolt, Niro, and Kona will have to be considerably (+/- $10k methinks) below the actual net cost of Tesla base and base+ (the best value IMHO).

Good planners who buy Teslas had better have a five digit reserve of money handy to keep their Teslas running. I have a neighbor who drives one and I see the service van parked in his driveway every other month. That’s gotta add up. In contrast, my LEAF hasn’t needed much of anything except new tires. EV’s love eating tires. 🙂 …then there’s the difference in insurance…Teslas are a money pit – classic conspicuous consuption – fun though if you are made of money and a millstone around your neck if you are not. (I’m very familiar with the latter situation having driven a Trans-Am for a decade or so – they kill you financially)

The LEAFs are among the mot reliable cars ever made. albeit some earlier models had limited range.

This will help you find EV incentives in your area.
https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/cost-calculator/rebates/

The article title is it intentionally misleading? I did not know FAUX News Network extended to INSIDE EVS

Everybody worries about their thermal management. They should be the ones to take responsibility for that with a solid warranty. Say… 80% for 6 years or 100000 miles? Then I’ll think about it.

No, everyone doesn’t. Nissan built their battery to function without it. Leafs don’t have the problems that Teslas do in the winter with reduced regen, etc. And in the summer, yea, not a problem with charging on hot days.
I had a 2015 and after 4 years, 97% battery capacity.

The leaf has the simplest, crudest “battery cooling” “solution” on the market.
Even in Winter, Bjorn took one on a highway trip with modest speed driving, 60 mph, and the battery heated up and got very hot and could not take a rapid charge any more. ( Extended stays at chargers. )

Every EV on the planet reduces REGEN to a COLD battery, so as not to destroy it.
You mean to say the Leaf does NOT protect it’s cold battery from high REGEN?

TESLA has the best EV batteries in the business.

Did you use Borns referral code when you bought your Tesla?

“Leafs don’t have the problems that Teslas do in the winter with reduced regen”

LOL. Do people actually believe this nonsense? Oooh, there must be some voodoo magic in Leaf battery to not be affected by cold soaking.

As for your 97% battery capacity claim, my SparkEV had 200% capacity after 3 years! Improper measurement will do that.

I know the cold saps the range out of my 2012 LEAF. I only charge to about 80 miles at full charge and it only goes about 65 miles around town.

I had a 2017 Leaf in May 2017. In 18 months, it lost 13% of the capacity. I had the dealer look at it and they said that there was nothing wrong. I traded it in on a new 2018 Volt in December 2018 ($19,500 net cost). I’m not saying that the Volt is perfect, but I can still drive it even with a high amount of capacity loss.

Did you know most all EVs loose 10% over the first 18 months. Enjoy your Volt, great car if you drive a lot. In the winter time you can also loose range, that is degradation, you will get those miles back when the weather warms up.

My 2011 Leaf lost 30% of capacity in 6 years (only charged L2 and drove it like grandpa). After 1.5 years of owning a 2013 model S 85 kwh there is no detectable difference in the capacity from when I bought it. Full charge still gives 250 miles. Who would want to buy a Leaf if they live in a hot area like Southern California?

We have had 3 Leafs in Las Vegas. No problems with the heat. AZ may be a different problem however.

We have 4 LEAFs in Bimringham, hotter than Southern California in the summer, not a problem for use. All our cars still go further than the EPA range. Are you charging to 100% and letting the car sit at 100%. That is a common mistake many EV owners make.

My brand new 2013 LEAF lost 2 bars in 2 years. With only 6x miles to drive in LA, it is useless.

Sorry, but your claim of 97% after 4 years is either BS or you have yourself a unicorn. My guess is you are confusing SOH with SOC. Nissan has demonstrated to all owners that LEAF batteries degrade faster than any other on the market, and are least tolerant of heat than any other on the market. Their only redeeming quality is their batteries are incredibly safe and perhaps the least volatile of any tested.

Having owned both a Leaf and a Model 3, the winter regen issue I think is not a difference. In cold weather, it seemed to me that my Leaf was regenerating less, too (and Leaf does have a powermeter to show exactly how much regen you get).

My Model 3 does *warn* me about reduced regen in the cold, but I think that’s just a difference in warning the user. I don’t think the cold performance is any different between those two cars.

With 70% after 100.000 miles its not that far off

But they do and more than you suggested: 8 years/100,000 miles for degradation below 9 bars.

Ask anyone tht has a 2014 LEAF or later if there car will last 15, 20 or 25 years?

Why are you spreading fake news about LEAFs. We just sold a 2012 model with 50K miles and 12 bars. Still charges to 90+ miles when charged to 100%. SO few LEAFs have actually had the batteries replaced it seems unlikely now they will ever sale remanufactured batteries.

You’d have to be mad to spend 37000K on the Leaf when you could get a Model 3 at a lower or slightly higher price with better trim. The only shortfall of the Model 3 is initial build quality and that it is not hatch back. Tesla also chargers way too much for paint.

on the other hand, I have yet to see the new Leaf in any other color than white 🙂

Well that is the most popular color sold across the auto industry, has been for a long time…..

I have seen a gray one. They do exist in non-white.

Leaf has hatchback, heat pump, and leasing options (hopefully). That’s it.

Scott, some say that Nissan Pro-Pilot is perhaps better than what Tesla offers. Also, the traditional gauges etc. offer an alternative to the 3.

It’s on the same level as AP (unlike most other systems), and when it allows you to enable it, it may center better (by some accounts at least), but from personal experience Tesla’s AP is superior.

Still, ProPilot is very usable and puts to shame the Bolt’s system (because GM still hasn’t equipped it with SuperCruise). It’s a huge part of the Leaf’s appeal. I wouldn’t have bought one if it lacked that. But things have changed.

A few days ago, the cheapest Model 3 with Autopilot was $48k, and the Leaf Plus with ProPilot was ~$40k (minus dealer discounts). That price difference was very significant. Suddenly, the standard Model 3 with Autopilot starts at $38k, and has a supercharging network instead of chademo. The Leaf Plus is almost DOA.

Now we only have a significant price difference with the 40kWh Leaf. It has a niche as a great lane-keeping commuter car in a price bracket Tesla won’t bother with. IMO, if Nissan added cost with liquid cooling, even that niche would shrink.

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Leasing options will soon be coming to the Model 3. But yes, the heat pump and hatchback are plusses for those who are interested in that.

The Facebook Tesla Model 3 group is NOT seeing these paint and fit and finish issues any more.

The Standard Range Tesla Model 3 is a more compelling and a better choice than any of the other currently available EV models.

The competition has to lower the prices of their EV models.

not for family, i want hatchback… and decent trunk. i was higely disapointed after seeing the trunk lid.

I own a model 3 and also a hatchback. The wife and I fight over the 3. We do Costco runs in the 3 and it swallows those gigantic megapacks of paper products quite well.

I’m 6’1″ and I can lie down full length inside the trunk with the seats folded down. No frunk in a LEAF either. Model 3 has a flat floor with seats folded. My subwoofer isn’t in the middle if the load floor. As you may know, there is a sizable and deep lower compartment below a cover in the 3 trunk allowing taller items or paper/cloth grocery bags that won’t tip over.

The hatchback on the Model S and X are very nice. Tall items and access in a hatchback are a cinch. I won’t be tailgating in the 3. The Model Y will have a hatch. My perfect 2 car family would be to own both Model 3 and Y. My perfect 3 car family would be: A 3, a Y and a BEV High Roof Sprinter with 400 miles range. If the Rivians weren’t $90,000-$100,000, it could do the chores of both Y and Sprinter ( losing the high roof, of course ).

I am 6’3″ Tall, and I can lean into to model 3 Trunk, and bend 90°, and still not touch my head on the backs of the rear seats!

Nice thing now is you can buy the 3, drive it for a week up to 1,000 Miles, and still say “Nope, Not for Me!” And Return it, for a full refund! Elon is betting you WILL Like it, though!

My not be for you but low hatchbacks are not good sells here in the States

Yelp, the market will dictate price cuts on EVs to compete with 3 standard

Correction – the Leaf e-Plus costs LESS THAN Model 3. Leaf still qualifies for the full tax credit whereas Tesla only gets half. In four more months, Tesla will only get a fourth of the credit. By the time the Leaf loses the credit, Nissan will have put cash on the hood. So the e-Plus will always cost less than even a base Model 3. You also get more features with the e-Plus than a base Model 3.

All that said, Nissan will have a tough time selling this car. They simply don’t have the fanaticism that Tesla inspires.

Model 3 plus + AP = $40k, -$3750 = 36,250.

Leaf SL is $35,000 after tax credit. Very similar price.

I would get the Model 3 plus with more range, personally. Probably higher resale too.

Absolutely agree ^

In Texas, Leaf SL is only $32K after fed and state (yes!! in Texas) rebate.

Are you sure that is a Texas-wide rebate. I have heard of some rebates in Austin, but nothing state wide.

So a quick search found this – https://cleantechnica.com/2018/07/24/texas-program-provides-2500-rebate-for-new-evs-and-plug-in-hybrids/

Only 2000 rebates total for EVs expiring this May.

Yes. It is a state wide rebate. This grant is made available for EVs and PHEVs and the grant may be renewed for another year.

And you might as well complete the story. It excludes any Rebates for Tesla’s, as a “Independent” Dealer does not sell them.

Only in the “free” state of Texas. 🙂

Excellent purchase.

also incentives on home chargers. In Alabama they want to tax EV owners $250 a year. Not a road usage tax more of a hate tax.

I mjsiut checked and you can qualify for a Utility discount and a charger discout in TX too. I checked the Austin area. Total up all the incentives it might bring a new LEAF down to around $15,000. Excellent cars. Charge it 20-80% and save 100% for trips to grannys house and it will last 20 years.

https://www.nissanusa.com/vehicles/electric-cars/leaf/build-price.html#configure/A/version

Not to mention the Model 3’s ability to charge at Supercharging Network, Tesla destination chargers and J1772 chargers using adapter.

NPNS! SBF!
Volt#671 + BoltEV + Model 3

(⌐■_■) Trollnonymous

and Chademo DCFC’s.

I don’t think they have Chademo for 3 yet.

Your absolutely right.

There is an adapter, but it doesn’t work for the Model 3. Works for the S and X though, something about the architecture of the 3’s battery pack. Anyway sort of a moot point in NA, with Chademo dying and Tesla continuing to expand its network.

Chademos still outnumbers CCS units. The new Chademos are 100kW. excellent.

Yes they do. Store was showing me the adapter

The new leaf can charge at 100KW. I would be interested to see what the standard Model 3 can actually charge at. The standard battery might peak at less than 100KW and the Leaf might actually charge faster (if it doesn’t rapid gate).

I would love to see how thrashed a LEAF pack would be after single 100kW charge.

It handles 50kW without heating up if you stay below 80%. Almost all EVs even Tesla throttle back above 80%.

Maybe for 1 Charge, if you find a Charger in the right place, for your Road Trip, of under 500 miles, in a day!

Nice thing is, Tesla Also installs some J1772 Stations, along with theirs, at Destination Charger spots!

We have only quick charged our 2018 LEAF twice in one day and it didnt even get up to 50% battery temp, maybe thats because we stopped at 80 or 89%.

IS the supercharging free? I know we can charge for free at most any Nissan Dealers. we seldom go out of town but when we do we have never had to pay for a charge before.

Model 3: Faster, far better suspension, more power, better interior, much higher self-driving tech available, far better battery cooling, better smart phone app.
And the only one with a coast to coast charging network in place, with software to drive you from charger to charger to destination on your trip.

Yes, and I’m trying to think something for Leaf. Hatch is the only thing, but then so is Bolt that’s quicker and cheaper (on sale).

Heat pump, propilot standard, e-pedal, paint color of your choice included, etc. Way better than the Bolt

Heat Pump and ProPILOT only standard on SL trim.

Hatchback, higher seating position, less expensive to option out, FWD means better snow driving, better service, faster collision repairs, regen-to-stop (something I fell in love with on the Bolt).

Still, Nissan will have a hard time competing with a lower price point Tesla.

Except you don’t pay full MSRP on the leaf like you do with the tesla.

This also assumes that the Model 3 never drops below 35k, now I’m not making a prediction that it will drop below that price, and if it does that it would be anytime in the next 12-18 months. I also don’t know if Tesla will be able to gain enough efficiencies to be able to do that. But I strongly believe that they will lower the price if one, they are able to profitably do so, and two, they have the capacity to meet demand at that lower price point.

I could see Tesla eventually lowering the price on the Model 3. However, I would bet money that Nissan will lower their prices more aggressively. So if Tesla lowers to $32k, Nissan will lower to $30k. They have about 8 years of history putting cash on the hoods of Leafs.

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)

Yes agreed, and Nissan has more products they sell to offset any slimmer margins on the Leaf thru price discounting. Tesla is very heavily weighted with Model 3 taking up the majority of their production and sales, and that will now increase substantially. The S and X have remained strong, but relatively flat for sales.

I’m not sure if Tesla can achieve the margins they need with the Base Model 3 in order to offer discounts/lower the price, but I hope so since it will help to spur on EV adoption. Will see.

Even simple AP upgrade, color upgrade, or wheel upgrade gives them a lot of extra margin.

The $25,000 Future Smaller Tesla will be a big challenge for Leaf sales, in 4-5 years, too!

Leaf was a ‘Gateway’ EV Drug, to those that couldn’t afford the Hard Core Model S or Model X! Now that Model 3 has 4 Battery Choices & 5 Range Choices, or 5 Performance Choices, Nissan has actually got some lower ended “Competition” that will be something the didn’t have much of before, and only recently, from the Bolt EV.

No problem! It’s all going to be quite interesting, in the field of Plug-in Vehicles, over the next 24-48 Months!

If Tesla would like to keep this “premium” car brand notation, they cannot go below 35k with the Model 3.

Telsa’s goal isn’t to be the worlds best premium EV maker, it’s to transform our energy system.

I think Tesla could successfully break that mold and span across premium vs on premium using features.

Yeah, I think it’s easier to make this transition when you start with a strong brand like Tesla, I don’t think it would be as effective if you tried to start as an economy brand and then move upmarket.

Nissan is a legacy car maker with SUGGESTED ADVERTISED PRICES. Stop thinking thinking they are anything similar to Tesla fixed prices. Apples to oranges with how much customers actually pay for a Leaf compared to a M3.

But, anywhere near price parity and the Tesla has to win, just on the quality of battery and cooling system. Aside from performance, ride, and sophisticated suspension. You have to hate yourself to get the Leaf over the Tesla.

Fair point.

Tesla will reach a point where they can no longer lower prices, they do not have a parts and service network generating revenue like Nissan does. Tesla MUST make all their profit up front at the time of sale.

Repairs are not free at Tesla.

And I’m pretty sure dealerships don’t share service revenue with corporate.

Corporate makes money on parts. Dealers typically exclusively use OEM parts.

I can’t afford $35k so I think I’ll wait for the 2nd hand market on Model 3. Wish I could but hey, you know.

Most people don’t pay $7500 in taxes per year.

Most people don’t file the “long form”, so yes, now that the MSRP is lower, there will be a flood of new buyers.

Most people don’t buy EVs. Most people that do buy EVs pay more than $7500 in taxes per year.

Good point if you do not have $7500 in tax liability any EV would probably be a bad choice, you should check out the used market. Our taxes went up $7500 just from the recent tax increases and we still like buying used cars.

Ha! Think I already paid that, so far, this year, up in the “Great White North!”

You CANNOT count on the tax credit past this year. They almost killed it last year. My bet is they either kill the credit altogether OR they make one tax credit for all which expires over the next few years. I bet on my second option come 2020 (the Dems won’t let them kill it completely)

The tax credit should be changed to only apply to automakers who have sold 250,000 EV’s or more. Rewarding the laggard automakers at this stage is counter productive.

I’m not counting on a retroactive renewal, but I think there’s a good 50% chance of it happening. Both sides of the aisle are susceptible to auto lobby pressure, and there’s a pretty big coalition pushing for this.

Drive a Standard 3 for 3 days. Drive a loaded LEAF for 3 days. LEAF may be perfect for my mom, who is 80+ years of age, or even for those 65+, the LEAF may be a perfect fit. Around view camera, one pedal drivihg are big helps for honored citizens. The LEAF’s size also is easier to wield if you are older. The elder of us also could care less if their car is RWD, AWD or FWD, unless they deal with snow and ice regularly. Car guys, sporty gals and even weekend warriors who sometmes ply windey, curvy roads appreciate performance car capability. Comparing price only is funny stuff. Mazda MX-5s or Porsches wouldn’t be caught dead having the front wheels pull you around. Great for the daily commute, not so great for sporty intentions, wet roads or the occasional country blast. Then there’s vanity. Oh sweet vanity. Now I know some folks want to blend in and thats just fine. I will admit I bought Multi Coat Red and its been a two-edged sword. I think my car draws TOO MUCH attention. A possible carjacking attempt with my whole family inside, and a two window break in/theft… Read more »

Yeah but Chademo is dead here in the US. There’s no 100kw chargers for it. So being stuck at 50 kw for more hours charging then driving is no from me

Also, you’re comparing Tesla fixed pricing with Nissans pricing where the MSRP is just the starting point in negotiations.
That said, I’d prefer a Model 3, as evidenced by the Model 3 in my garage.

A major advantage for LEAF is LEASING. Not mentioned as of first rendition of this article, it’s a major advantage. Most LEAF buyers today, lease their cars. It’s a good move, since it makes any concern over a non TM battery pack moot. Advantage over Kona, Soul, Ioniq and Niro EVs is simple too = availability. LEAF is obtainable from most Nissan dealerships nationwide and also servicing. Utility? The hatch is great, but LEAF has a two height load floor. This is something not often mentioned. As also, the big wart of a subwoofer smack dab in the middle of the floor, should you choose premium audio. I don’t know about you, but a load floor looks a lot less appealing with a big subwoofer and high folded seats standing in the way. Price? If Tesla can get Standard and Standard Plus M3s out to customers in the 2-4 weeks promised today on their website, it seems a no-brainer to get a Standard Plus Tesla 3 with upgrade interior and 240 miles range for $37,000 ( in black ). Into the details: No doubt the Model 3 handles better and is faster and quicker. Rear wheel drive is associated with… Read more »

You can’t build a profitable business on cheap leases, especially with industry-worst resale values. Nissan can’t go to shareholders and sell them on other electric models when the Leaf is such a bust financially.

James talking to James. Hey James, I agree. At some point, Nissan’s “fish or get out the boat” moment will be – Build your mainstream EV with Thermal Battery Management and some zoot in the performance area. This cost need be met with mass production. This probably means a crossover EV and maybe sedan variant with a larger footprint, say Toyota Highlander-size or even current Honda CR-V. James – My name is James Melvin.. I Iiterally have been on this site since day 1. I have written articles that IEVs have posted. I even posted one of my cartoons here ( When the new Prius Prime was introduced ). I’m sure you’ve heard my request here before. IEVs has ignored my plea to give you the moniker: James1 or James2…just anything but “James” to stop the confusion. Certainly, you do not want to be identified as me, and vice versa. Since IEVs has ignored any effort to deny duplicate IDs, I ask you for the second time to change your ID to end the confusion. After all, James replying to James seems silly – right?

Yes, Tesla dropping price has put pressure on ALL Other EV manufacturers.

Just to point out that the former head of Nissan, Carlos Ghosn, in a presentation at the annual Japanese shareholders meeting in 2016, stated that in the past year Nissan had reached a point where they were now making money on every Leaf made.

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)

Very good and fair summary comparison. I can add with the Leaf, I’ve not found the sub to be a problem on the floor. I have a 2018 SL and installed the dealer optioned cargo container, which makes the floor level when you fold the rear seats down. Yes there is a gap between the rear seats and the cargo container but it makes it a nice flat floor. I put small things in this gap (umbrellas, snow scraper, etc.) which is great and the cargo container holds lots of stuff like portable charger, wiper fluid, emergency kit, etc. In fact with this set up, I was able to put 8 15-inch tires on rims in my Leaf, without using the spare front seat. So the roominess of the Leaf is really good when you look at it overall.

E-pedal as well is a very good feature which really needs to be tried in order to appreciate it. It works very, very well and I use it pretty well 100% of the time.

Just thought I’d add some more info and perspective. All cars you mentioned have pros/cons.

I think Tesla really has to address their REGEN user interface. While I wouldn’t trade my M3 for two LEAFs, I do prefer LEAF’s regen – One pedal drive feature to the touchscreen based two options I have. That said, Teslas do come down to a crawl at the stop sign/signal so you merely tap the brake in most situations to come to a complete stop. I found a workaround – driving in city and suburbs using TAC or Tesla’s version of ACC. When doing that, use high diligence as the Tesla’s sensors can very occasionally catch onto a passing vehicle or ?, and suddenly react with acceleration. It’s only happened to me once, but surely many drivers aren’t as diligent as I am in nannying the car with one hand on the wheel and foot poised to brake. This way, my 3 stops at each light or stop sign IF there is a car in front of me. So it is one pedal driving per se. While I prefer LEAF’s system to Tesla’s, Bolt’s Regen On Demand tops both. The button/paddle squeeze on the left steering wheel spoke is intuitive and handy, not requiring a button on the console… Read more »

James said “LEAF has one pedal driving. Tesla does not.” Better review that, again, James!! Tesla had that first!

No TMS – No sales

Well alrighty then,

Nissan “intelligent MOBility!”

Leaf, “innovation that exits!”

DEAD ON ARRIVAL! LOL!

Bad timing. No question that the Model 3 is more car for the MSRP. Two major factors though are that Nissan still has the full rebate, and the Leaf never sells for MSRP. That drops the Leaf’s price by AT LEAST $5,000 compared to the M3.

So no TMS, more expensive (pre incentives), worse interior quality, slower acceleration, much slower fast charge, worse UI, worse depreciation, worse charge network, and worse design (IMO).

Why the hell would anyone buy the leaf plus over base Model 3?

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)
Leaf has lots of value, I don’t think interior quality is bad. Have had my 2018 40kWh Leaf for almost a year with zero squeaks/rattles or issues. Acceleration is over rated as you don’t need 5 second 0-60 when 7.9 is fine, I’ve never had an issue yet accelerating to pass on highway or getting out of a sticky situation when needed. UI is ok, many find the Model 3 to be overkill for UI so that is subjective. Many like buttons as opposed to UI controls for standard items, but again that is subjective. Design is also a personal taste. For TMS, no doubt that Tesla is king for battery management for sure, however with an 8-year warranty, why do I care? Costs will not necessarily be more expensive for the Leaf, as stated by other commenters. Slower fast charge – sure Telsa’s SC Network is great. However, improvements to the e-Plus allow for faster charging speeds if you have the right charger. Maybe in USA this is slower, but in other countries adoption of faster DC Chargers (+50kW) has started to surface in more prominence. Depreciation, well yup not much I can say about that. Tesla does hold… Read more »
We have both a model 3 LR and a 2018 Leaf SL. We paid high 20s net for the loaded Leaf SL _before_ tax incentives which is still $10K less than a model 3 SR with delivery in any color but black which is the one color we would never get. My wife prefers the higher seating position and hatchback of the Leaf and while it pains me a bit to admit it the Leaf is quieter on rough textured roads than our model 3. Since my wife never drives more than 50 miles per day we don’t have any concerns about range degradation, especially given the warranty. The model 3 is certainly far more car but it also costs far more money both in initial purchase price and per mile due to the tires costing more than double per mile what they will cost for our Leaf. I think the 40kWh Leaf list priced at what it actually sells for (low 20s to high 20s depending on trim) makes a pretty compelling case for itself as a 2nd or city car. The 226 mile version doesn’t make sense to me in the US. The price is too high and… Read more »

Incredibly unfortunate timing for an already unfortunate car.

James responding to James.

Please respond to my post above

I was one of the first Leaf owners and I will never again own one. No TMS, no deal.

James responding to James. Please refer to post above.

I’ve never owned a LEAF.

OK, now I know James is intentionally avoiding changing his ID

That’s James for you, James.

There are others with my name, too! Just not commenting here!

When TCO is factored in the LEAF will always be the better long run deal. The LEAF is cheaper at purchase because of incentives, cheaper to run because of lower insurance and maintenance ,much higher reliability, and more functional with the hatchback. The LEAF has always been the BEV for the EV’er that doesn’t have any inadequacies or insecurities to make up for.

Uhmm, no.

Insecurity issues are from the reason to buy the Tesla over the Leaf, biggest advantage is charging network and its integration into the navigation is excellent and you are comparing a rear wheel drive performance car to an Econo box for nearly the same price.

Out of that list, yes, the Leaf has a hatch.
All else is wrong.

With this drop in price, it’s more likely the Leaf will be dropped like the Volt.
Maybe GM got advance notice this was coming, because this would have killed the Volt, and it’s going to hurt all other EV’s including the Bolt.
( Just when GM has ramped up supply. But, they still need a dealer network that will sell them. )

Actually, I don’t think it’s all that wrong. In terms of maintenance, compare for example the tires, which cost more: 18inch tires rated for 160mph, or 16inch rated for 100mph? In terms of insurance costs, where I live those are in part based on the power of the car (apparently, more powerful cars are statistically more likely to be involved in accidents, who knew?), so once again the model 3 would be the more expensive to own in that regard.

However, the biggest factor in TCO is depreciation, and I’d expect the Leaf to depreciate more than the Model 3, but I could be wrong about that. We can only guess the long term reliability of the cars, which will impact their resale value greatly. Sure, Nissan doesn’t have a good track record with batteries, but that will hopefully change with the new pack, just as the Model 3’s doorhandles hopefully won’t cost 1k$ to replace out of warranty like those of Model S. Only time will tell how that will work out, so I don’t feel confident in predicting which car will cost more in terms of TCO.

So I have both – so do I have insecurities some of the time?
2013 Leaf, 2015 70D. To be fair, my wife has driven the Leaf since the Tesla came around.

2 bars down. Range is becoming a frustration. Obviously starting at 200+ will help that a lot.

Time to replace Leaf. Wife has zero insecurities – except range. Why would she get a Leaf at nearly the same price per feature set without superchargers? (Her response – not mine)

Maintenance has been less on the Leaf. It has been as close to zero (except for tires) as possible. Wiper blades? But Tesla has been $1000 in total over 4 years and 70k miles. So not bad and worth it for better depreciation.
Tires are really close but cheaper in Leaf. Not dramatic though. Say $600 vs $1000 for similar mileage.

Insurance – $20 every 6 months; Reliability – Leaf died once on road. Tesla never did.

Tesla 10% more efficient. Hey that might be $50 a year. (Vampire drain probably evens that out in most circumstances)

Depreciation costs will dominate. I go with Tesla.

Yep, the Leaf e-Plus will rely on being cheaper than the Model 3 in order to sell, despite the list price.

Some people will need the utility the Leaf gives, otherwise everything points to the Model 3: depreciation especially. Model 3 is the my bet for best of the best for EV battery technology at the moment, the Leaf … well you just hope it doesn’t suck as bad as the ones that we have data on, but there seems to be reason to think you’re probably not getting a 12 year battery life with the Leaf, which I expect on a Model 3.

LEAFER, Great justification of your choice, I’m sure. But there are, as they say, “Different Strokes for Different Folks!” So here’s hoping you continue to enjoy your choice, for a good while!

HAHAHAAHAHAHAHA. FAIL!!!!!

LEAF S PLUS $36,550 USD – $26,550 in Texas ($7500 Fed Tax Credit + $2500 State Rebate)
LEAF SV PLUS $38,510 USD – $28,510 in Texas ($7500 Fed Tax Credit + $2500 State Rebate)
LEAF SL PLUS $42,550 USD- $32,550 in Texas ($7500 Fed Tax Credit + $2500 State Rebate)

These vehicles do not sell at MSRP and you can probably knock of a $1k to $2K. We bought a Clarity PHEV Touring for $2.5 below MSRP.

As someone else here put it, Tesla has a fan base that is not going to worry about the economics (they never have) and I think Tesla deserves that admiration and fandom for helping the other automakers bring environmentally friendly vehicles for the rest of us.
From an economics perspective, I think it is better than other electric choices.

Au Contraire! = You seem to be the person, “not going to worry about the economics”. You sound just like those who brag: “Hey – I bought my new Bolt for $5,000 under MSRP!” Good for you, mate…But bad for the rEVolution or the EVolution of transportation. You as an individual may have profited from heavy discounting, but those Tesla fans you critique want Tesla to prosper. Tesla cannot prosper if they heavily discount each car so you can get a GOOD DEAL. You see, if Tesla sells it’s cars at a fair price, we’re happy. We’re happy if Tesla can provide an affordable 3 to market today and spread it’s costs out over 100,000s of sales. Honda and GM literally dwarf Tesla Motors. The equivelency in size is Arena Football League vs. the NFL! The big ICE OEMs can discount their miniscule amount of PHEVs and EVs they produce + take the ZEV credits they earn and move on selling GIGANTIC QUANTITIES of SUVs and trucks and smile all the way to the bank. Everyone who brags about the GOOD DEAL their dealer cut them on a Bolt, Clarity or LEAF is just focused on themselves, not the BIG… Read more »

I am interested in the environment as much as you are but I do not have the financial flexibility that you appear to have. So, I am doing my part to do the right thing and that is balancing financial with environmental goals. I think your implication in the comment “focused on themselves” is a little extreme.

Isn’t it better to buy a PHEV or an affordable non-Tesla EV than buying a standard gas guzzler?

I think you missed the point. People brag that they bartered a good deal from what some call: “conventional stealerships”. If GM is dumping Bolts, and they make 21,000 units per year, they are losing bundles of cash per Bolt sale. Does that sound like they treat Bolt like the rest of their lineup? When they build 800,000 Silverados per year, they can afford to give factory incentives AND dealer discounts AND STILL MAKE A PROFIT. Isn’t every other month advertised as “Truck Month” over at The General? No way did I say don’t angle for a practical price. I bought my 3 when there was the full tax credit, and I skipped Autopilot. I got a great deal. No LEAF or Bolt could seat 5 adults and give me this much joy. Now that less expensive M3 options are on the table, it’s even more accessible to more people. Tesla has to show a profit. They can’t have fire sales. Tesla is furthering EV adoption to the masses. Nissan or GM are putting a very few EV commuter cars out there. They can afford to lose money on a few cars. Their profit centers are selling literally MILLIONS of… Read more »

Tesla fanbase = practically everyone looking to buy EV

I loved my LEAF but traditional automakers are going to have to step up big time to compete. Tesla is really living true to its mission.

Awww Shucks! All this time I thought I was their only Fan…. At Work! (Already a few there, just not on my area, or Midnight Shift!)
😀

Fellow Texan here..I’d just point out the $2500 from Texas is considered taxable income, so it’s not truly 2500…
i.e…if your marginal tax bracket is 20%, it it really a 2500*(1-0.2) discount – $2000 in that case!

Good point. Yes. That is indeed the case.

That is a really stupid way to do an “incentive” (give the money then take it away).

Kenneth Bokor (EV Revolution Show - YouTube)

It would have been better for them to price the e-Plus entry slightly below the Model 3 base, however as I’ve stated, Nissan does do ok in the USA but their focus is global and they’ve carved out a slice which they are happy with.

Not everyone will choose a Tesla, so this and other alternatives (Kia, Hyundai, etc.) will provide choice.

On a model-by-model look, for those who like Tesla and that type of vehicle (not a compact SUV), the Model 3’s value is differentiated by the better BMS and OTA. However, the Leaf e-Plus does offer Pro-pilot and e-Pedal on all trims, so for that tech you would have to spend another few thousand for Tesla’s autopilot, which would put the S Plus at an advantage.

Again, more choice the better to get people into EVs!

If demand is good and Nissan’s production is limited, there will be no dealer discounts and it’ll be a hard competing with Tesla. If Nissan really wants to compete, they need to make a healthy inventory for the dealer’s lots so they can mark it down. Before the design refresh a couple of years ago, some big dealers in Southern California had dozens of older Leafs on the lot marked down $5000+ below MSRP. They sold well and some people got really good deals… almost bought one myself.

A healthy inventory and they need to go back to their battery supplier and get better pricing, yesterday.

“If demand is good and Nissan’s production is limited, there will be no dealer discounts and it’ll be a hard competing with Tesla.”

If demand is good, then they’re competitive.

James. Stop ignoring that you duplicated my ID name

James, it appears that you are not getting through to James! Must be a One-Way Mirror!

LOL. I can’t help but laugh. They dragged their feet on a bigger battery LEAF for years. And when they FINALLY announce it, Tesla just walks across their face with a $35K model 3.

– no active TMS
– faster/greater depreciation
– no super charger network
– much slower charging
– poorer UI interface, and updates
– no option to upgrade to full self driving
– worst looking (in my opinion)

If they lowered the price to $25,000 US then it would change everything, and make it a very good EV to buy.

This Leaf’s battery is much power dense than 40KWH. I don’t know the architecture of the cells but I am guessing they put more layers of the pouch cells… it makes it harder for heat dissapation. Bjorn’s video proves that Rapidgate is just as worse even in Arctic temperatures. I just can’t imagine how this battery will hold up in Arizona or Texas in the summers, especially after one or two DCFC sessions. Just insane they refuse to bother with active TMS.

No telescoping steering on the Leaf is a drawback, along with the center console between the front seats, that bumps the bent right knee of long leg taller drivers.

AND front wheel drive.

It just doesn’t make sense comparing LEAF and Model 3. That is, ANY LEAF vs. ANY M3.

It just might be that you can LEASE a LEAF, and you may like it’s smaller size – say you need to park each night in a small garage or parking space – such as apartment/condo dwellers.

If ownership is the goal, Tesla has a strong resale value, and a lot of aspirational buyers waiting to buy a cheaper used Tesla. I speak to those guys each and every day.

> If they lowered the price to $25,000 US then it would change everything, and make it a very good EV to buy.

Hold on to your butt….

What I paid for my 2018 Leaf 4 months ago vs Model 3 *today*:

Leaf SV MSRP: $36,500
Paid: $31,000
Fed rebate: $7,500
Texas state rebate: $2,500
Price paid: $21,000 + (tax on $31,000) = $22,937

Model 3 MSRP: $35,000
Pay: $35,000
Fed rebate: $3,750
Texas state rebate: $0 (Yes, Texas is lame)
Price paid: $31,250 + (tax on $31,250) = $33,203

EVERYTHING IS CHANGED! LEAF IS A GOOD EV TO BUY!!!

I gave you a plus one, but seriously….You made a good point although your LEAF is FWD, looks like any other subcompact on the road and has 150 miles in range in a HOT state like Texas with a battery that has no liquid cooling. Think low slung battery pack just inches from a blacktop parking lot you can fry an egg on…Parked for hours.

You did get what appears to be a good deal on a LEAF. That said, I’d rather buy brisket at a fine BBQ establishment and skip the beans and cornbread than buy a Big Mac with a coupon….

I ain’t holdin’ onto my butt…

But glad you drive electric.

Yeah I got $6000 off my 2018 (counting $1300 lease acceleration on my 2015) so no complaints here.

Hope to get a great 2nd car sometime next decade, the Leaf is fine for now.

Model 3 is totally overkill for my 15 mile commute

If I could Rent a Model 3 at normal Mid Size Car Rental Prices, from AVIS, DISCOUNT, BUDGET, HERTZ, Etc., for Road Trips, I could get a used Mitsubishi iMiEV, just fine for the daily commute & Shopping. But since that is not yet a thing, and my few Road Trips a year, dwarf my Commute miles, the 3 is still the Winner!

You left out the most important thing in your comparison.

Your 2018 Leaf does 150 miles versus the $35K Model 3’s 220 miles.

You got a good deal anyway.

Now if only we can all get that deal.

I’m in Canada, and the new Leaf (as mentioned in the article above) has no financial advantage over the $35K M3.

Well,the old line still rings true: “You get what you Paid For!”

Before we go talking about how expensive it is, let’s compare a Red Model 3 with Traffic Aware Cruise control and Lane guidance and full tax credit to the equivalent Model 3. Whoops, the tables just switched with the Leaf being much cheaper!!!

But, you’d still have a Leaf suspension, and a Leaf uncooled battery. Maybe for a 3 year lease to wait for the next Tesla, but not for a long term buy.

Base Model 3: 35,000 + Red Paint 2500 + Autopilot 3000 = $40,500 – $3750 tax credit = $36750 Nissan Leaf SV Plus: $38,510 + Delivery $895 + Red Paint $395 + Tech Package $2200 = $42,000 – $7500 tax credit = $34500 That is not a big jump and you have to assume the buyer is eligible for the full $7500 tax credit. The tax credit doesn’t help for purchasing the car though as you won’t get that money until next year so you either have to float that up front from savings or take a much higher loan payment. Even with this the price difference isn’t a lot unless the dealers or Nissan are adding other incentives we don’t know about. We also only have the package pricing from the 40 kWh model to base our estimated costs on and the Plus packages may be different. What concerns me really with Nissan’s pricing structure is with the hybrid heater being optional on the SV by the time you get the Tech package for ProPILOT and the All Weather package you are basically at or more expensive than the SL trim with everything already included plus leather, 360 camera,… Read more »

You forgot the Model 3 destination charge of $1200.

Does this model still have the battery health bar like the first gen? My sister’s leaf is down to 9 bars…

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Golly, here I was, sitting in front of my puter wondering where I could find a pointless, counterproductive fight between people who should all be on the same side, preferably one egged on for the Nth time by THE FREAKING WEB SITE. And here you are. Seriously people, you all need a sticky note on your monitor (or the phone equivalent) that says, “ICEVs are the enemy, not EVs”. A second reminder that there is no such thing as a “best car”, but one that is better than another car for your personal circumstances, sure as hell wouldn’t hurt, either. Yes, I drive a Leaf, and yes, it’s my second. I love it. And 11 months ago when I got my current one I didn’t even consider a Tesla. Too long to get, too expensive, no hatch (which my wife and I need), too much hassle (nearest T store or service center is 250 miles away). Tesla sex appeal and supercharger network mean nothing to me personally. But if others want to buy a Tesla or a Kona or any BEV — great! Or a PHEV and maximize their use of electrons over FF — great! Come sit next to… Read more »

All good points. Not buying a new car is still the best option for the planet.

This is really fascinating, and I feel kind of sorry for Nissan.

They are probably the traditional car manufacturer who has put the most effort over time into developing a competitive EV vehicle. The Leaf isn’t perfect, but it’s a solid product.

Even with all the money and time they have put into their product – it’s getting undercut by what Tesla has been able to achieve. Putting aside that the two cars aren’t directly comparable – if Nissan can’t compete with Tesla with all the work they have already done, what chance do the manufacturers just now coming to the game have?

1. The Leaf is cheaper after the federal tax credit.
2. You don’t have to pay $2k for white or $2,500 for red, etc.
3. Massive service network and quick turnaround for warranty work.
4. Potentially more reliability.
5. More interior features for the price.

Just a few of the advantages. Of course, the 3 has its own. Look at it objectively…

To say that Tesla stole their thunder would be a bit inaccurate, as there was just a bit of a rumble for the New Leaf, anyway. Not to put to fine a point on it. The Model 3 was a thunderclap that split the firmament.
It doesn’t seem to make much sense to gather up one of these Leafs , get a rosebud, the Tesla Model 3, while you may, instead.

You can ONLY count on the tax credit for 2019 — I would NOT bet that it will be available for ANYONE in 2020 (or it will be available at the same rate for all — we are only punishing the American car companies at this time – Tesla & GM)

I don’t think you understand the tax credit system. This is not about for/against American companies. If anything, these companies have taken the maximum advantage of the mechanism and have exhausted the credit.

I believe you’ll get the full tax credit with the Nissan, whereas Tesla has hit the sales cap on rebates.

Not exactly Zero $ for the Tesla, yet! Just half the $7,500 Max, @ $3,750!

My money is on Tesla because of the simple no drama pricing and superb customer experience.

FWD leaf vs RWD model 3.
in the snow with all season tires, FWD does better.
I would want to like the leaf but for the same price, I would probably get a model 3.
I like the manual cloth seats, btw.

The Tesla 3 can only be had for $35000 if you order one color, black! And no options. Otherwise you start heading north.

And then ?

Find a better deal elsewhere !

There battery warnty is junk it’s a lie my leaf goes 45 miles on a good day and it’s less then 100,000 miles but it’s not covered it’s good if you ask them.car is Awsome battery is junk

They did not pick their announcement date well.

DOA

Model 3 or Leaf? Lol!

The wilted Leaf !

Smyrna, we have a problem!

Regarding the title of the article “Nissan Reveals U.S. Pricing For LEAF e-Plus: Costs More Than Model 3.”
With the Model 3, there is the destination fee of $1,200 that is an add-on.
But with the Leaf e-Plus the destination fee is already included (it is in the dealer invoice).
At that point, they are about the same. But as Nissan dealers build a little inventory, the price of the Nissan becomes negotiable (the Model 3 isn’t).

So before a given dealership build inventory of the Leaf the price difference is $350 in favor of the Model 3.

But after a given dealership builds substantial inventory, the Leaf e-Plus becomes $2,000 or more cheaper (if one is willing to negotiate).

Plus your tax credit, which is a positive of $3,750 to the Leaf+.
Which is awesome here in Colorado, as you can also get $5k from the State, so that’s $12,500 off a $36,550 car, or $24,050 before any dealer haggling.

Another compliance car from Japan. Too slow to charge, limited range, slow acceleration compared to Tesla’s., shorter battery life due to passive cooling which just doesn’t work in the desert, etc., etc. Model 3 and others all beat it out. Too late to the party Nissan your history. Just sold my 2017 Leaf. Done with Japanese cars for life due to their attitudes (arrogance, trying to force us onto FCEVs, etc).

Larry, did you by the Model 3?

Leaf compliance car? You do know that the Leaf came before the Tesla Model S right?

RIP Leaf. Compared to $37,000 Model 3 variant, it has less range, fewer options, no active cooling, no charging network, and no pizazz. The author is correct, it does have a hatchback, lol.

I think this is awesome, we actually have competition in the mid range EV market;
Model 3
Bolt
Leaf+
Kona
Niro
Soul
You can go shopping and choose between very similarly priced vehicles and find one that fits your needs, All have their individual pros and cons, but you have choice!

DOA. Model 3 for me. Now that it beats Kona,Niro, Bolt and now Leaf with its pricing

Nissan bungle 2nd generation Leaf. Where’s an article about that ?

There’s a lot of comments here about the Tesla “standard range” M3 battery pack having active cooling, and how that’s an advantage over the passively cooled battery of the Leaf. So, has Tesla actually confirmed that the cheaper M3 has an actively cooled battery (I looked and couldn’t find anything, but the internet is a big place!) – or is it just assumed that that’s the case based on other models? Removing active cooling would save Tesla a lot of money if they could optimize charging in other ways such as chemistry, layout or software.

You’re kidding, right?

Interesting question. I haven’t seen anything, but now I’m wondering… Think about it – 2/3 the battery capacity stored in the same volume of space. Would definitely open up other possibilities. The standard battery also has a reduced mileage warranty compared to the long range, so something has changed. Remember the experts assumed the leaf plus would have active cooling – until Nissan announced it wouldn’t.

If anyone could do it, Tesla engineers could. Good way to cut costs on the entry level option

The force is strong with this one.

Reduced warranty might reflect increased number of charges to go the same distance and so increased heat stress on the battery. Or might be another cost saving exercise (depending on how Tesla expenses warranties on their financial statement)

I’d be shocked if Tesla didn’t have active cooling on the Model 3 base model battery pack. I don’t think so, given the performance it offers.

I’d be shocked too. But is active cooling a scientific necessity, or is it only what we expect??? Interesting point.

One advantage of the Model 3 that rarely gets mentioned is the suspension, double wishbone front/five link rear, because even most car guys don’t understand what makes a car handle well. The key to great handling is how wheel camber changes as the wheels go up or down. Double wishbone and multi link suspension tilts the wheels when cornering to maintain maximum tire contact with the road. Additionally, front suspension should prevent dive under braking and rear suspension should prevent squat under acceleration. The angle of the upper arm of the front suspension prevents dive when braking and the longitudinal link of the five link rear suspension prevents squat during acceleration. A great handling car isn’t just for racing through turns at high speed. A great handling car is also safer whether the car is being driven by a human or autonomously. The Nissan Leaf has the same suspension as the Nissan Versa platform it is based on, McPherson strut front suspension and twist beam rear suspension. Sad.

I just don’t see this selling. It is sized, and looks like an low end economy car. Telsa set the standard for an EV to look premium.

It’s bigger than a low end economy car. 24 cu ft of cargo space compared to Model 3’s 15, or Bolt’s 17. It looks a little better than a low end economy car, IMO, but not a lot.

I own a 2015 Leaf–with limited range (80 mi) it’s a reliable, about town car–and a 2014 Tesla Model S (pre-owned purchased in 2017). The 2019 Leaf is a big advance over previous models for range and design, but is still incomparable in quality, features and value to Model 3. The biggest differentiator is fast charging on the road–still no infrastructure for non-Tesla EVS outside of very big cities. Tesla wins hands down. And it’s worth >$40K.

Here’s my story, 5 days ago I went in to Nissan Dealership to apprise my car and the ePlus despite the announcement, the car is still not for sale and not available for test drive.

This morning I clicked the tesla.com website and clicked Order now. Fill in the blanks, and it’s being shipped to me in 2 weeks for 35k (minus shipping fee) and the car IS available, it has double the range, the luxurious interface and interior, the breath taking mechanisms and best customer support ever.

I love my current leaf but it was always for me a poor man’s Tesla choice :). I’m not rich… I’ll probably get in trouble for ordering Tesla. Maybe it’s a stupid choice.. but it’s how much i am willing to go to support Musk. To me this is less of product and more of a statement of appreciation to all that Elon Musk does.

Actually the Leaf plus has more range and the $35K Tesla has got the same cloth seats that the base model Leaf has except to upgrade the seats on a Tesla is more expensive.

No way, the Kona and Niro make this car unpurchasable. Why would I ever buy one, except for the fact that I can’t get a Niro or Kona.

This will be slightly more expensive than the Tesla model 3 on the sticker price but it will be cheaper at the get-go with the $7500 federal government rebate still in force and much,MUCH,*MUCH* lower insurance rates. Nissan LEAFs are classed as low cost economy cars by my insurer and have a record of *NOT* generating a lot of serious claims, in direct contrast to Teslas. I’m sure hitting a deer with a model 3 would be close to an order of magnitude more expensive than hitting one with a LEAF. Repairs with Teslas are expensive and way to common compared to LEAFs.

The pricing seems pretty comparable to me but the Leaf becomes a much better value once you start adding options because the Tesla option prices are so dang expensive. Even the base models with the Leaf’s 5 color choices for free, greater range, and one pedal driving make it attractive plus the better interior controls of the Leaf (Sorry still don’t like the add-on tablet screen in the middle console to control everything).

Also, not sure I understand why no acknowledgement when talking prices that the Leaf has the full tax credit plus the MSRP is always negotiable unlike Tesla. Also add in the superior service options and reliability of the Leaf. I just don’t understand why a stripped down black Model 3 is attractive?