Nissan To Expand CHAdeMO Quick Charging Network In Europe By 20%

3 weeks ago by Mark Kane 28

2018 Nissan LEAF

Nissan encourages us that it hasn’t forgot about the charging infrastructure found today in Europe, as the company has announced the expansion of fast chargers in the region by almost 20% – all on its own.

2018 Nissan LEAF

The plan is to install some 1,000 additional CHAdeMOs over 18 months.

According to Nissan, there is currently over 4,600 CHAdeMOs charge points available, today.

We are not sure whether the 20% expansion is yet enough to service the rate of growth (especially in 18 months time), but there will be other projects, from other companies in development at the same time, so hopefully new LEAFs will have more than enough places to charge.

“Nissan today announced its plan to expand its existing outdoor charging network by 20% over the next 18 months. Working with EV fast charging standard CHAdeMO, the company has already built Europe’s most comprehensive charging network, with over 4600 quick chargers across the region.

Nissan now plans to invest in supporting the installation of a further 1000 chargers over the next 18 months. The company is working with its partners, business owners, municipalities and sector leaders across Europe to ensure the roll out plans are focused on providing maximum convenience to its drivers, with installations on highways, in towns, and throughout key European cities.”

Nissan made no mention of higher power/150 kW CHAdeMO chargers, so it’s not clear whether there will be any of those included in the new count.

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28 responses to "Nissan To Expand CHAdeMO Quick Charging Network In Europe By 20%"

  1. mustang_sallad says:

    “All on its own” – that’s the biggest problem with Chademo going forward.

    1. SparkEV says:

      Perhaps. But so are Tesla Superchargers.

      Fact is, there are more Chademo than CCS as of today, and it doesn’t seem likely to change any time soon.

      1. HVACman says:

        In the US, already there are over 43K BEV’s with CCS – 4K Spark EV’s, 28K BMW i3’s plus at least 11K of the Bolt EV’s sold to-date. So far, 93K Leafs sold in the US, probably 70% with Chademo, for 65K Chademo vehicles in the US. The Chademo-intalled user base advantage over CCS is rapidly fading.

        If you project going forward that most Bolt EV’s sold, plus all BMW i3’s, plus most future VWs, Kia’s, Hyundai’s, Daimler, Hondas, FCA, etc. etc. will be CCS, the US CCS market will rapidly overtake the Chademo. The same will happen in Europe.

        Other than Nissan dealers, no one in their right mind in the US or the EU would install Chademo-only chargers. And frankly, if I were a Nissan dealer, I’d future-proof any new chargers I installed with dual-heads.

        It will be interesting to see how Toyota handles the charge port debate. If, like Honda, they also elect CCS when they dive into the long-range BEV mass-market, game-over Chademo.

        1. Magnus H says:

          “In the US”. Yeah, but that’s in the US. In Europe (especially Northern) the Chademo network is much larger than Tesla’s. Almost all chargers installed by cities, charging networks etc are triple headed (CCS, Chademo and 43kW AC) where I live. The expensive part is the AC/DC conversion.

          Chademo and CCS will co-exist for a very long time.

          1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

            Yes, there exist a lot of old Chademo-only chargers at 50kW..

            – and a lot more of newer 50kW CCS + 50kW Chademo + 43kW AC triple-head chargers.

            The newest chargers typically are upgradeable on the effect side, but currently offer 50kW Chademo + 50kW CCS, often in combination with a couple 22kW AC chargers in close proximity.

            ….so the trend is clear:
            – Chademo has a clear lead but with a very slowly eroding marketshare trending towards 50% Chademo vs 50% CCS.

            As far as i know, CCS-only chargers doesn’t exist anywhere at all, and probably will not in the near future either – since the power electronics and site infrastructure is what cost the most, and adding a second charging standard is very cheap.

        2. Reaf says:

          Add the number of Model S and X (and maybe Soul EV and i-MIEV) to CHAdeMO. And there are also 500k+ Model 3 and 10k+ Bollinger B1 reservations.

  2. mx says:

    Nissan: Frank F. Farley Travel Plaza, Atlantic City Expressway, New Jersey, America, Earth.

    1. Lou says:

      Yes, I agree. So many people traveling to “the shore” and yet no QC option on the AC Expressway. Seems like adding a few Level III’s and Level II’s would be simple enough. I don’t even drive a car that has QC capability and it bothers me that there is nothing there. This summer when we stayed in Wildwood, I made note of available charging opportunities in Wildwood via Plugshare and if I had a LEAF(even the 30 KWH battery version)I’d be uncomfortable.

  3. Texas FFE says:

    This is ridiculous. Automakers developing charging networks “all on their own”, like Nissan and Tesla, drives up the cost of EVs and slow EV adoption. The automakers need learn how to or be forced to work together to develop a common EV fast charging standard.

    This is one of the main reasons I’m reluctant to buy either a Tesla or a Nissan EV. The CCS standard may be underfunded but it’s still the closest thing to a common standard we have and would be a lot better developed if Tesla and Nissan supported it. I guess I’ll just have to wait for the CCS network grow so I’ll have more places to charge my 2017 FFE and any future EV I buy.

    1. Magnus H says:

      There are three charging standards for DC, Chademo, CCS and Chinese. They all rely on the same expensive AC/DC part. Chademo and Chinese have a similar CAN-bus interface, but differs slightly. CCS had another interface. Neither control interface are expensive to implement.

    2. Murrysville EV says:

      Agreed.

      Nissan would have really had a hit with Leaf 2.0 if they had collaborated with Tesla to utilize the Supercharger network.

      Instead, with Chademo they’re years behind Tesla in anabling their EVs to travel long distances.

      The Feds ought to lock the mfrs in a room until a universal standard is agreed upon. Until then, EVs will always be considered city cars.

    3. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      …except that CCS is actually *TWO* physical standards, sharing one logical standard 🙂

      CCS’s physical plugs are different in the US and Europe.
      For Chademo, both the physical and logical standard is the same worldwide.

      1. Adam says:

        Yeah, CCS type 2 could have covered the US also, but considering many cars will converge the pond, I’m not sure it’s going to be much of a problem.

  4. Sublime says:

    Just like gas stations have Regular, Mid-grade, and premium selections, it appears we’re destined to have charging stations with 3 connectors. Probably with a different price per kWh based on licensing fees.

    1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      Neither CCS nor Chademo requires any usage-based licensing fee.

      Both organisations are membership-based, and the actors that wants to influence the standard pays for their membership, but others can still utilise the standard royalty-free.

  5. Benz says:

    Look at the big screen.

    “Free power for your EV”

    What exactly do they mean by that?

    1. David S. says:

      REVOLUTIONARY ‘FREE POWER FOR EV’s’ BREAKTHROUGH: Ground-breaking commercial approach to give customers free power for their EV using unique Nissan bi-directional charging technology

      http://newsroom.nissan-europe.com/eu/en-gb/media/pressreleases/426205595/nissan-unveils-electric-ecosystem-at-nissan-futures-30

    2. Andy says:

      Overnight they pump electricity into the ground because they can’t shut down power stations or stop the wind blowing so electricity is cheap. If you fill your ev full overnight and release some of that energy back into the grid at peak times you solve a massive problem for the energy companys and its only fair they should pay you for this service.

      1. scottf200 says:

        More cycles on your battery may prove to lower it’s lifespan? Worth it? Also just like netmetering in the USA do you have to buy electricity at retail to charge and then get paid wholesale (lower) when you sell it back overnight?

        1. mx says:

          The batteries are turning out better, and cycling isn’t having much effect.
          But, most people don’t use and change 20% of battery every day. You let the car sit until you’re under 50% battery, usually.

          But, yes, they don’t offer you a discount to pull night time energy, Profit for Them.

          They don’t give you the high market price they make on Commercial Sales with your cheaper solar at noon price.

          1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

            “The batteries are turning out better, and cycling isn’t having much effect.”

            Well, I think it’s safe to say the overwhelming majority of EV drivers are not so unconcerned about their car losing some of its range every year. Or, for Volt drivers, unconcerned about the prospect that sooner or later, it will start losing EV range every year.

  6. Jeffrey Spaulding says:

    CHAdeMO is the Betamax of EV charging.

    1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      Well, you never could use the same basic HW for a betamax and a VHS player – as you can with Chademo and CCS…..

  7. Flux says:

    Just need one CHAdeMO at a midpoint driving London to Norwich. i.e. Newmarket A14 North or Mildenhall.

    1. IanL says:

      I was just about to say “what are you on about, Newmarket Services has Ecotricity” but I double checked before I did that and lucky I did.
      The chargers are only on the Southbound side?!
      What the hell?!

  8. Mikael says:

    Someone should make a “Nissan flogging the dead h…charging protocol”-meme

    First 40 kWh and now Chademo. That killed any consideration of the Leaf as my next vehicle.

    It is kind of sad that when my Model 3 reservation comes up there will not even be any model to try to compare it to available (unless the upgraded Ioniq comes with a 60+ kWh battery next year).

    1. Knut Erik Ballestad says:

      Most probably the upgraded ioniq will come with the same battery packs as the new Hyundai EV : Kona SUV.

      I just put my name on a reservation list for this new Hyundai Kona SUV launching next year, and the dealer informed me that it will be launched with 2 battery sizes, 40kWh (NEDC 350km) and 64kWh (NEDC 500km).
      Price is suggested at 360.000 NOK (~40-45.000 USD) for large battery+premium interior.

  9. Jason says:

    Does CCS allow V2G? I haven’t heard that yet, and certainly it is one advantage CHAdeMO has at the moment.

    In another statement, Nissan announced all their CHAdeMO would also have CCS as they support the whole EV community, which is not mentioned in this article. Nissan could actually be doing a better job of promoting all EV transition than Tesla if that is true. So far Tesla has only looked after Tesla, even though their mission is to transition all transport to EV. It is pretty disappointing that Tesla has not made any of the adaptors that allow other EV’s to use their charging infrastructure. The value of a network increases as the number of users increases, so it is actually baffling that Tesla has not done this to increase the value of their network. In fact, by making an adaptor to use CHAdeMO they have actually increased the value of the CHAdeMO network.

    Now, of only someone could create a CHAdeMO to CCS adaptor, that would allow your Bolt, i3,etc to also charge at all these CHAdeMO stations, and that would also increase the value of the network. It should be a reasonably simple thing of the comments about the AC-DC is the hard part and signalling is the easy part. I knew I took the wrong subjects at school 🙂

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