Nissan Releases Paris Reveal Teaser With Connection To LEAF

SEP 27 2016 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 70

A Revolution Is Coming!

A Revolution Is Coming!

A few days ago, in the build up before the 2016 Paris Motors Show, Nissan released a video on YouTube titled “A revolution is coming: Nissan at Paris Show 2016.” It’s widely believed that the vehicle in the video is the new Nissan Micra. However, even more recently, Nissan releases this teaser with a connection to the LEAF:

Nissan Teaser

Nissan Teaser

We’re note sure if the new LEAF will be displayed in Paris, but we’ve reached out to Nissan for comment and will update this story if more information becomes available.

For now, we’ve got our fingers crossed that either something LEAF-related or plug-in related is tied to this reveal set for the opening day of the Paris Motor Show.

Nissan’s YouTube video below:

Hat tip to Alex!

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It is amazing, and sad, to see how Nissan’s rep in the BEV world has tanked. The early Leaf’s had major problems with packs losing bars of AER, especially in hotter climes. But the new Lizard pack is not doing that much better.
They need to at least have a pack option that will get them to, or at least close to, 200 miles combined without going over $40k.
It seems like almost all the Leaf fans have moved on to the Bolt or the Tesla III. Not sure if Nissan can get most of them back.

There are 100.000 Leaf drivers in Japan and UK never will get the Bolt, and Model 3 maybe overpriced (Japan import tax) in 2-3 years. In Europe Bolt and Model 3 will be more expensive if the UK can remain in free trade zone. Nissan must only get out hte 60 kWh mid 2017 and they are the winner,because nor Chevrolet nor Ampera-E will be produced in four factouries around the world. In the subcombact segment we talk about an advantage of 3500 – 5000 $ because of duties.

+1
Most people seem to overestimate the US influence, when it comes to EVs. As long as there are no EV trucks, the US alone won’t get you to meaningful sales. GM must at least get China right, if they want the Bolt to compete with the future competition. Europe wouldn’t hurt, as well.

You make a good point, Alex. I tend to ignore Japan and China, my focus is really on the North American market.
It is interesting how Nissan is hanging on in Japan, while tanking in NA. They aren’t that far behind Volt sales right now, but if they don’t get something new out there soon, the Volt will really pull away. And the Bolt will be the coup de grace. We are around 3 months from the first deliveries of the Bolt. Probably 5 or 6 months before they are delivered in real numbers in most of the US. April and May are going to be interesting, between the Bolt, the Volt, the Energi’s, the current Leaf, the i3 and the Tesla S and X. It may be possible for us to see BEV’s/PHEV’s hit 2% market share within 6 or 7 months.

If you have ever ridden on a Shinkansen you know 99% of Japanese simply do not need a 200 mile EV.
I was there last month and three things struck me:
1: There are plenty of EVs there.
2: There are plenty of EV charge points.
3: No one ever anywhere is using the charge points.
Pretty sure range is not one of the big problems an EV faces in the Japanese market, a market of 120 million people all keen on efficient and clean driving, by far the biggest challenge is probably overcoming the popularity of the Prius, those things are EVERYWHERE there!

There is not going to be a bolt sd in the UK, GM have confirmed that they are not going to be making a right hand drive version.

Yep.. This Leaf fan moved to a 2017 Volt. If Nissan were to ever hope to gain my business again, they would need to up their game quite a bit.

We made the same move you did and our Leaf left a bad taste……not interested in going to Nissan ever again.

And how exactly have they tanked? The LEAF is the best sold EV ever!
Comparing a car that is on the market since 2012 with the Bolt and M3 is quite inappropriate…

Just looking at US sales:

2014 = 30,200
2015 = 17,269
2016 = 12,000 (estimate)

I have heard that there might be some lands across the oceans, maybe someone should go and check them out.

Global sales of the Leaf sales, YTD in July, are up 15% compared to 2015, globally.

That’s why I prefaced it with “Just looking at US sales”.

And that’s why it pretty irrelevant.

I think the US is a good measure of what happens when choice and time are mixed. The LEAF used to the be THE ONLY BEV available on the market and it sold well, until it’s reputation caught up with them, and competitors began to creep out. FIVE years later you can tell Nissan is just coasting on fumes… while the rest of the market has refreshed or come up with new models. Look, the LEAF is a decent car… and for the few 2014 and newer owners out there, the battery has been okay thus far. But capitalism and time have shown the LEAF to be lacking. Globally, the LEAF is doing well in markets where competition isn’t so fierce, folks are quite so demanding, and in the case of Japan, where the ChadeMo infrastructure is there, just for them. But look, I know about 12 LEAF owners in our EV club, most were early adopters, and 3 have had battery replacements at 8 bars, and our Hawaii enviorns are pretty nice to batteries. It’s usually about 75 degrees, never over 85, never under 60, and up until this year we didn’t even have a level 3 charger available… Read more »

Cody you can bet when Nissan shows the next gen LEAF it will literally be weeks til it’s available to purchase.

This. I don’t understand why everyone seems to think Nissan has to publicly demonstrate a vehicle for months and months before getting to production. Unlike Chevy which never cared about selling the Spark EV, Nissan actually pushed the Leaf sales as much as the market demand allowed for it. As soon as they announce Leaf 2.0, Leaf 1 sales will tank, so Nissan will want to minimize time between announcement and deliveries.

Actually, Chevy did care about selling SparkEV widely. They announced Europe and Canada retail release early only to cancel them later. I suspect that’s when they got great deal on battery for Bolt, and decided to keep SparkEV in limited market including Korea, Canada, Mexico to test their EV tech.

I think that’s preferable than Nissan jumping into mass market EV without proper testing. They should’ve sold Leaf in limited numbers and gauge performance for few years and mass-release updated version. They may have realized poor battery performance instead of having lots of customer complaints.

By the way, this is the way Toyota went with Prius: limited sales in Japan only, then wider sales later.

Correction: The LEAF never had the BEV market to itself. The i-MiEV actually came out before the LEAF.

RS, you make a good point about Nissan doing better globally while they are slowing in the US. But sales in Japan/China/Europe aren’t going to make the air cleaner here in the US and I guess my focus has been more on what is going to impact my family and friends, rather than on the state of electric car sales worldwide.
I celebrate the increase in sales of electric cars abroad but it really doesn’t float my boat as much as seeing 7 different electric cars at the 7 chargers at the Mosaic near me. And seeing all 7 chargers in use fairly frequently is pretty cool too. Since I drive a Volt and don’t NEED them…
😉

I can understand that, but with all the talk about Nissan having to do something not to let the Leaf completely break down, I just had to step.

Because if you sell more than ever, you don’t need to change anything. I guess that they are thinking about releasing their second get Leaf soonish, but they don’t have to. If they would change from old to new model in 2017, the Leaf would have been replaced after its best year of sales, that never happens in the car industry.

The reason sales are dropping is people are waiting for the 200+ mile LEAF… I am still loving my 2013 LEAF and will look at all the 200+mile ev’s when I need a new vehicle. My Nissan LEAF has been a great car for my commute of 55 miles each day. 47,900 miles and counting.

Maybe not tanked, at least not yet. But they sure blew their lead in EVs. They need to reveal something seriously good if they are going to regain that.

The Prius PHEV would be my definition of tanked. Unless you want to count the Cadillac PHEV…

Regarding the Cadillac ELR, in order to “tank” it had to have been high at some point. GM never intended to make a lot of ELR, and the sales figures were expected. It was always intended to be a limited run car.

Interesting, but it’s being said that Leaf sales have tanked, when in reality they are only slightly lower year to date (Jan thru August) than last year.

Brandon, that may be true worldwide, but here in the US, Leaf sales have dropped by 36%, January through August of 2016 vs. 2015. If that continues, Leaf sales will drop from 30,200 in 2014 to 17,000 in 2015 and down to 11,100 in 2016.
There are better choices out there and if Nissan doesn’t start selling a 200 mile Leaf by early next year, they are going to be left behind.
2015 will probably be the only year electric car sales will go down, and as more options appear in the 200+ mile range, Nissan looks more and more out of it.
The Ampera E just drove 417 kilometers to the Paris show and arrived with 80 kilometers still showing on the GoM. (260 and 50 miles respectively)
Was it theater? Yes, but that type of theater makes the Leaf look old and tired.
Check out GM Volt dot com if you want to see the article, though I bet Jay has a story about it soon, here.

Nissan lost me, too, for the reasons Ziv stated. Tesla & GM are my leaders for my next car (which will be a BEV).

And frankly, I’m surprised by how easily Nissan has allowed themselves to be beaten by GM in the race for an affordable 200 mile EV. It’s almost as if Nissan wants to distance themselves from EVs.

The Bolt isn’t quite on sale yet. Once it arrives to dealerships, then the Leaf will be officially behind. We still haven’t seen Nissan’s cards yet, but you can be sure they’re not just sitting idly.

If the 2nd generation Leaf was as close to being on sale as the Bolt is, then we would most likely know about it.

(Nissan could have a 200 mile EV ready now, but not release info on it out of concerns of the “Osborne effect”. However, I’ve been tracking the availability of Chevy Spark EVs in Portland, OR, and they’re currently moving off of dealer’s lots. Wentworth Chevy has moved about 60 of them in the last 3 months – they have 3 cars left. So news of the upcoming Bolt does not appear to be hurting dealers ability to move the Spark EV.)

It’s a pretty safe bet that GM has beaten Nissan in this race.

My guess is that GM is not sitting either. I’m sure they are already working on their next BEV what ever that might be.

Something I would love to see GM do, though I doubt they will do so, is offer a dual motor AWD Bolt. It probably cost too much to develop, though it doesn’t seem to have broken the bank when Tesla did it.
An AWD Bolt released next year would be cool and if they found a way to put a 70 kWh pack capable of a 100 kW charge rate in the current platform that would be outstanding.
Yeah, it won’t happen, but a fellow can dream…
The thing is, all of that is achievable using tech GM already has, so it may show up in a couple years, as the cost of production drops.

Leaf was beaten by SparkEV in 2014, car that’s quicker, cheaper, far quicker DCFC, and much better battery tech. Just about the only thing Leaf does better than SparkEV is 5 seats vs 4, and subjective “refined”.

…and a compliance car.

If SparkEV is a compliance car, Leaf and Tesla are also compliance cars since they are sold in CA and get compliance credits. SparkEV is also sold in non compliance areas like Leaf and Tesla, though not as many.

But even if it’s only for compliance, so what? That’s not a negative; it’s a don’t care. If Tesla P100DL is only sold in CA for compliance, it’s still a great car.

40,000 miles on my 2013 Leaf and battery still going strong. I don’t have a percentage since my battery test by Nissan mechanic didn’t provide that detail, only that it could provide 82 miles nominal range. However I have anecdotal evidence that the battery is still almost as good as it was 3 years ago: 2 weeks ago I drove 95 miles in the mountains, starting with 100% charge and ending with ~10%, with an elevation gain of 1,800′ and temperature as low as 34F. I drove slowly on the ascent, but typically was going around 50 mph. Not all batteries are that giod, but mine is excellent.

It looks better than the current leaf so far… 🙂

no matter what is coming.
nissan is the pioneer,
my leaf tekna is the best car i ever had.
i will stay with nissan

Honda was a pioneer with hybrid tech and now where are they?

Best announcement would be a degradation warranty extension for Leaf owners.

Here in the UK at least, Nissan offer a 8 year warranty on the battery.

From a competing site, looks like Nissan has mentioned bringing over a smaller EV, likely based on the Zoe. So the video may point to that.
http://www.autoblog.com/2016/09/27/nissan-exec-talks-about-smaller-leaf-and-maybe-a-cuv-ev-as-well/

Exactly.

It looks like the Nissan rebranded Zoe II.

It was my first thought.
If it is a rebranded Zoé, I hope it will be the Zoé 1.5, meaning 40 or 50kWh of batteries.

I’m betting it’s the same 41 kWh battery as the next gen Zoe just revealed.

Watch it be a Fool Cell.

Anything less than 50 kWh is a disappointment, I hope for at least 60. I really hope this isn’t just the 40 kWh upgrade that is way overdue.

Whatever Nissan is doing, I seriously doubt it’s going to look like anything more than playing catch-up with BEVs from Tesla, BMW, and now Chevy.

The most important question is whether or not Nissan is going to abandon their stubborn refusal to put an active TMS (Thermal Management System) into the Leaf. I’ve been surprised to see recent articles stating that Leaf sales are back up in Japan. Well, perhaps so, but I’d like to see numbers for worldwide sales. I rather suspect Leaf sales are down over the past two years.

That depends on battery chemistry. If the battery requires active cooling it will get it. If not, they are far better off without TMS and all the losses, extra weight and volume it incurs.

I hope they show Leaf 2.0 at the show. It’s past time. They are getting passed up by GM and the like. And it better have a 60 KwH battery with liquid thermal management or I’m not going anywhere near it.

Our leased 2013 Leaf lost 2 bars in 36 months, down almost 20% of charge and range. And we babied that thing.

We are now leasing a Chevy Spark EV as a stopgap and have been pleasantly surprised. Sure it’s smaller and cheaper, but it has better range, better thermal management, a pretty decent app, Onstar, bluetooth, cruise control and more.

Strange. Our 2013 is only down 3.7% after nearly 3 years/ 43k miles. Ours was made Oct of ’13, so you may have the old battery.

We had an early 2013 model. But our experience was not anomalous. Many people who lived in warmer climates experienced similar and in some cases far more battery capacity loss.

My 2013 Leaf (4/2013) is about 42 months 42k miles. About 1% battery loss/fade every quarter. At about 12-13% capacity loss over the 3 -1/2 years (still twelve bars). One DC fast charge for every four Level 1&2 charges. This 24kWh battery loves the extra abuse(heat from aggressive regen and DC Quick Charge) When I baby the battery, it just fades the AHr rating (leaf spy pro). You have to slam this battery, at least once a week, or it just wants to loose capacity(SOH). Baby only the 20-80% charge capacity window!

My 2013 Leaf with 30K miles has been driven Hard,, sometimes three fast charges in a row. No degradation on the pack whatsoever. It’s a great ride to boot!

They will not show Leaf 2 because Ghosn is at Renault stand holding the press conference from 9:15 to 9:45 and Nissan starts press conference from 9:30, so at Nissan there will be no Ghosn.
I can’t imagine Ghosn want to do that himself, so he will present Renault models with 40 kWh and one month later at Los Angeles Autoshow the Leaf.

It makes me wonder if they have some other strategy up their sleeves.

Such as a 100-125 mile range-extended EV…. Nissan is playing their strategy very close to the vest as the current LEAF ages.

Just saw a new Leaf with Tennessee plates… in Northern Virginia. Don’t underestimate what a 100-mile range and a charging infrastructure to boot can do.

If priced correctly then yes, even a 100 miler can make sense. Then we’re talking about $10k-$15k price tag after incentives. A 100 miler is good enough for local transport, a 2nd, cheap commute to work vehicle. However there’s not much future in full price 100 mile cars anymore. You will never be able to sell it for more than $5k a couple of years down the road when the average EV will have 250 miles of range and cost less than $30k. The market for used 100 milers at that point will be stone cold.

I think at less than $10k sub-100 mile LEAFs are little treasures since their battery will likely be upgradeable to 30 if not 40 kWh. The truly affordable EV is here.

Introducing the Nissan BEV CUV, bigger and more grown up than the Nissan Leaf, say hello to the Nissan Tree 🙂

Their teaser’s wording is interesting. First, the mention of the first 100% electric family car, now:”Now we are changing everything. (Period;space). Again”. This wordage is curious.

Could it be fuel cell?…Or as I stated before, some sort of high EV range PHEV? Ghosn had this stern look of worry when looking over the Bolt EV. Now with 238 miles of range to compete with – could he be trying to change the conversation?…Again?

Ghosn is the master of card holding. Trying to glean some insight (sorry Honda), from his facial expressions, is like falling under the old school “hood wink” spell at the local car stealership.

It seems pretty clear to me that it’s a pure BEV similar to the Zoe.

The rear window profile of the teaser photo said Leaf to me, but out for a stroll this eve a Juke caught my eye.

It’s very Jukeish.

So, maybe, just maybe, 40kWh AWD Juke.

Please Carlos, make it so.

And 150kW fast charge too please.

That’s not too much to ask from one who aspires to lead in EV’s is it Carlos?

It’s the PHEV Micra, my friends. Really frustrating! Smh Nissan

*Versa Note I mean.

I remember Nissan did have a experimental leaf that looked like a regular one but could go 250 miles. The catch was the battery on it was four inches thicker then the old one.

I think people are linking the two media releases together when they may actually be completely seperate. The first, “A Revolution Is Coming” is definately the Nissan Micra/March. The body shape and front end leaves no doubt about it particularly when you compare it to spy shots of the car undergoing testing. The second, “…Nissan is changing everything. Again.” is the only media of the two I believe is related to the LEAF or Electric Vehicles. And here, in my opinion, there are two possibilities. Firstly, Carlos Ghson said earlier in the year that Nissan would reveal the future of the LEAF before Christmas this year. I think he may have mentioned December. So a Generation 2 Leaf concept or a pre production model is plausable. The second possibility is the Range Extended Nissan that has been mentioned previously in some reports. I just dont think the two media items above are linked.

Behhhhh…. it’s the new Micra, and some ProPilot autonomous driving talk. Hardly a revolution…

Revolution is the new diesel motor for the Micra !

(Behhhh…)