Nissan Releases New LEAF Teaser, Re-Confirms September 5th Debut

5 months ago by Eric Loveday 69

Next-Gen Nissan LEAF Teaser

It’s just a lone image of the “faux front grill”, but bit by bit we’re starting to see what the next-generation LEAF will look like.

Nissan states:

The new Nissan LEAF – Premieres September 5, 2017
#Nissanย #LEAF

2018 Nissan LEAF testing – we can now fill in several of the blanks under this camouflage

Found just above the “grill”, in the same basic location as the original LEAF, is the EV’s charging port.

Nissan has done a remarkable job in keeping actual details of the next-gen LEAF internal; that is other than the spyshots we have been able to capture ourselves (like most recently of the interior).

We can speculate, but there really is no confirmed information on the 2018 LEAF, beyond the fact that it’s coming soon. We are certain it will boast more range than today’s LEAF (via 2 battery options ultimately) and that it will be priced very competitively, but beyond that it’s anyone’s guess at this point.

As for the September 5th debut of the new LEAF that Nissan is confirming today, that is actually happening at a special event in Tokyo (so technically, its really happening on theย 6th at the point of origin).

Check out these previous teasers and spy shots below:

2018 Nissan LEAF gets a new look inside

Official 2018 LEAF teaser image #1

2018 Nissan LEAF

Inside the 2018 Nissan LEAF (via Automedia)

2018 Nissan LEAF

2018 Nissan LEAF

2018 Nissan LEAF

2018 Nissan LEAF

2018 Nissan LEAF – we can now say for sure what the front “faux grill” will look like – above which is the charge port

The new 2018 Nissan LEAF is set toย debut in Tokyo on September 6thย (which is September 5th in the U.S.).

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69 responses to "Nissan Releases New LEAF Teaser, Re-Confirms September 5th Debut"

  1. William says:

    Nissan Nose Pyramid Power Paint Protection Plan. Now, that may make me cancel my Tesla Model 3 order. I don’t think Tesla offers charging port covers with Pyramid Power, need to reconsider my ” Tesla, All In” thinking.
    Nissan – “Innovation that Excites”!

    1. Pushmi-Pullyu says:

      Sharpen your razor blades while charging your car!
      ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€ ๐Ÿ˜€

  2. Vexar says:

    Dang. It has a CD player still. I have to listen to all my music over a USB port to my iOmega ZIP cartridges. They don’t hold as much as a CD, which is irritating. At least I’m not dealing with floppy disks anymore!

  3. Bob Nickson says:

    PRND is QWERTY apparently.

    If you only have forward, neutral and reverse, on a console ‘shifter’ wouldn’t the intuitive order be forward for drive, center for neutral, and back for reverse?

    I think Model 3 gets it right by not using a lot of prime console space for what is essentially a rocker switch.

    1. Jason says:

      Couldn’t agree more. First time I drove my Leaf I pushed the shifter forward to go forward, it is very intuitive. Then found out the dumb ICE manufacturer had keep an outdated RND format and pushing forward is actually reverse. Such a wasted opportunity!

      Whether it should be in the centre console or not doesn’t really bother me, but I wouldn’t want buttons like some cars are doing.

      Maybe it could be like Tesla, always on and you press the brake plus the direction of travel, easy. Put it in Park and lock the car to shut it down. Doesn’t drive if the key is not in the vehicle.

      Oh, well, maybe next time.

  4. SparkEV says:

    Three questions:

    1. Will it stop offer free charging?

    2. Will it be quicker than SparkEV in charging DCFC C-rate?

    3. Will it be quicker than SparkEV in acceleration?

    I have a feeling the answers to all questions are no.

    1. Brian says:

      Probably no to all three. I for one am fine with that answer.

      My corollary questions:
      1) How will Nissan support the DCQC infrastructure used by this car (most likely CHAdeMO)?
      2) Will it DC charge quicker than the Bolt, in absolute terms (kW, not C rate)?
      3) How much quicker than the 2017 will it be in acceleration? (I doubt it will match the Bolt, let alone the SparkEV)

      1. CLIVE says:

        Of course it will match the Bolt.

        The Bolt is not the holy grail of EV’s.

        1. Brian says:

          I neither said nor implied that the Bolt is any kind of holy grail. I do believe that it is Nissan’s closest competitor in 2018.

          You assert that “Of course it will match the Bolt.” Are you referring specifically to question (2), (3), or both?

          2) The Bolt charges at nominally up to 80kW (according to Chevy, anyway), and the Leaf charges at around 45kW. Eventually the Leaf will charge at over 100kW, but that’s not a given for 2018.

          3) The Bolt is really quick. I don’t see Nissan competing with Chevy on 0-60 numbers. Especially given the target audience – the Leaf is supposed to be a Family car. The Bolt was designed to be quick. I don’t think Nissan needs to match the Bolt to be successful. But they should meet or beat the Focus EV and eGolf, both of which are quicker in their updated form.

          1. unlucky says:

            How is a statement about what the Leaf will do eventually useful? We’re talking about today. If I said the Bolt will eventually charge at 200kW does that change anything for buyers right now? Even if I’m right what does it change?

            I agree I don’t think the LEAF has to match the Bolt on quickness. It’s not that marketable a feature and I don’t think Nissan would be particularly good at marketing it. Chevy hasn’t done well either, further reducing the need to match that spec.

            1. Brian says:

              Reading comprehension fail. Try again.

              1. unlucky says:

                No fail here. You’re trying to indicate that a LEAF someday doing 100kW means something today. It doesn’t. If it’s not a given for 2018 it doesn’t belong there.

                Comparative statements about vehicles that exist today (or will soon) do not usefully involve statements about something that might be later.

          2. SparkEV says:

            Yes, Bolt is really quick. That’s why I put SparkEV as comparison so it’s easier to meet. New flagship EV from Nissan being slower than 3 year old econo-EV is pretty embarrassing.

            1. Mark.ca says:

              Did it occur to you that maybe Nissan never intended for the Leaf to be a performance car? I would be surprised if that is to change and considering how well it sells should they change course now?

              1. SparkEV says:

                SparkEV isn’t a performance car, it’s a dinky little econo-EV. It’s like Nissan’s flagship mid sized gas car being slower than a Geo Metro.

                Performance bar has been raised. Nissan can get with the program or suffer the embarrassing fact that it’s slower the a 4 year old ecobox. I think they’ll continue to be turtles.

                1. Asak says:

                  Not everyone cares about that stuff. Plenty of bland cars sell hundreds of thousands of units despite having terrible acceleration.

                  Personally I would take performance into consideration, but in reality Nissan doesn’t have to compete on that. Performance in any electric is still better than most gas cars, especially from 0-30. 0 to 60 gives more time for a gasser to catch up.

                  1. Gasbag says:

                    I think you have a losing battle trying to convince people that the Leaf is a dog because so many drivers perceive it to be quick and spunky. Their perceptions are largely based on the excellent 0-30 time which is very close to that of the SparkEV (see link below.) Most drivers are going to do 0-30 20 to 50 times as many 0-60 and 30-60 runs which is why it is a much more relevant metric than 0-60.

                    Even on the 0-60 the Leaf is much closer to the Spark EV’s 7.9 seconds than my Geo Metro’s 13.8 seconds.

                    http://insideevs.com/plug-vehicle-cross-section-acceleration-30-mph-60-mph-ev-mode/

          3. CLIVE says:

            I wasn’t talking to you

    2. unlucky says:

      I don’t see Nissan making a vehicle as quick as the Spark EV. They wouldn’t even know how to market the feature so why bother.

      As to charging what I care most is that they should add CCS in Europe and North America. I’d also like to see No Charge to Charge gone, but I think we have to look at the charging companies to see that end. Companies like evGO are participating presumably because it brings them money they need and wouldn’t get as much of if they weren’t involved. We have to hope the economics of providing DCFC now favors making chargers available so paying customers can pay instead of Nissan paying a flat fee to clog them up.

      1. CLIVE says:

        You cannot tell what Nissan will do, so instead of posting your unlucky BS next time why bother.

        1. unlucky says:

          Why bother to tell someone else not to post? Is this your board to own?

      2. SparkEV says:

        Lack of quickness in acceleration only hurt Nissan image (and bit of EV image), so I put that as #3; lease important.

        But free charging is a big deal. If it could keep over 2.6C like SparkEV, most Leaf would be done in 10 minutes or less. I often see them starting at over 70%.

        Since it’s unlikely that free charging will go away, I’m hoping the new Leaf would charge much quicker so that we don’t have to wait so much. It’s very frustrating to see Leaf charging at 3 kW using 50 kW charger and 28 minutes left to wait; yes, this has happened!

        But I have a feeling Leaf will continue to be turtle in all respects, and only sell due to free charging. If so, I hope the sales tank, and people stay away from it.

    3. CLIVE says:

      Time to change your user name.

      There is life after the sparky.

      Yes it will be better.

      1. SparkEV says:

        What will be better? From all indications, it will still be worse than SparkEV. If life after SparkEV is like Leaf, it’s a downgrade.

        By the way, there’s still no car that can charge as quick as SparkEV in terms of charging C rating, and probably not for a while. With the trend of bigger and bigger batteries, it will be lot tougher to have high C rating. SparkEV might end up being the quickest charging EV in history and the future.

        1. Brian says:

          Focusing only on C rate is pointless. Batteries can be optimized for either energy density or power density. A small battery needs to have power density in order to be able to propel the car. A larger battery needs energy density to go the distance. We are moving towards energy dense batteries, and for a good reason.

          Ultimately what matters is ABSOLUTE charge rate. Measured in kW, not in C-rate. The Bolt charges faster than the Spark (nominally, anyway, I don’t know if 80kW has been confirmed). So more miles/minute are added to the Bolt. Who cares if you can charge a car in 10 minutes if it then goes only 25 miles? (extreme example) I’d rather take 30 minutes and then go 200 miles.

          1. Gasbag says:

            If you ignore the C rate then you end up with something like the Bolt. With its 1.3C rate It has to have a larger battery to compensate for how slowly it charges. If you have a higher C rate, like the 3.6C on the Ioniq you can have a much smaller battery. The smaller battery permits a lower price point which is critical in the econobox market. Note the thousands of unsold Bolts vs Hyundai being battery constrained. The problem with the Ioniq is they have gone too small. If they are able to increase it from 28kWh to 42kWh then they will be able to charge at 150kW and provide a ~185 mile range. That would allow them to charge at about 600 miles per hour allowing them to charge 2 hours of drive range in 15 minutes. If you look at the surveys that is what people want but they don’t want to pay an arm and a leg for it.

          2. SparkEV says:

            If Nissan stops offering free charging, C rate is not so important. But given that they will continue with free charging, and people will plug in when they have 90% and charging slow as mole-asses in winter, C rating is the most important thing when you’re waiting (and you will be waiting!)

    4. Nick says:

      If they don’t offer no charge to charge, they will move way down in the running for me.

      1. William says:

        Nick, don’t say that about NCTC! Sparky will throw more 2018 Nissan Leaf NCTC shade, and possibly go on another rant.

        1. SparkEV says:

          Free charging SUUUUCKS!!!!

          1. jhm614 says:

            How often do you have to wait?

            1. unlucky says:

              If I go to a DCFC near me? Over half the time.

              Luckily I don’t go to those anymore since I have a Bolt now. But as a LEAF driver it got so bad I stopped using my car for any trip which would require me to DCFC.

              Right now I’m looking and every easily-available (not counting ones at dealers since they are often closed or blocked) in the East Bay commute corridor has at least one DCFC in use at each location. That means most still have one free, but we’re also not talking about a prime time right now. In 2 hours most of the stations will be busy. This one: https://api.plugshare.com/view/location/64437 already is.

              Meanwhile, look what happens when you actually charge people to charge:

              https://api.plugshare.com/view/location/89682

              “charge only if you must” – a comment from a person looking to get a free charge who didn’t get one.

              I look at the NC2C chargers in the South Bay and most are full already. Meanwhile the DCFCs that cost money are available. Even the affordable ones.

              1. Tim Miser says:

                Speaking for myself, when I had my Leaf, I used public fast charging all the time out of necessity. Now with my Bolt, I never have to use it because of the range. Possibly with more of these next generation of 200 mile EVs, the need to clog up fast chargers will actually be reduced.

                1. SparkEV says:

                  If they give free charging, clogging won’t be any different. The fundamental problem with clogging is that people plug in when they could’ve charged at home.

                  In fact, they will get worse since those coming from now-expired free charging will get fresh 2 years of free charging.

            2. Sounds like…Forever…the way he goes on about LEAF Drivers hogging the teat he wants to nurse from.

              1. SparkEV says:

                It is forever! There were stretches of time over few months when I was waiting at every DCFC, and they were likely locals. Many were over only 10 minutes into charging and over 90% and charging at 3 kW with the driver nowhere to be seen.

                Recently, I’ve been seeing more and more BMW i3 doing this, over half is still Leaf.

                Unless you experience it for yourself, you have no idea how frustrating it is to wait almost 30 minutes for a car charging slower than half the rate of their L2.

    5. Jason says:

      Many commenters crap on about the free SC network for Tesla. Free charging for Leaf must be a counter to that situation, you can’t use free charging for Tesla as an advantage if the Leaf can do it too.

      How fast it chargers is a different issue, but as far as I can tell both manufacturers claim about 20mins to 80%, so that is similar. The contentious issue seems to be people charging and leaving their cars for more than needed, and Tesla put a fine onto their network to address that, but Nissan can’t really do that because they don’t control their charger network.

      Sounds like Ionia is 3.6C, is that right? That would be faster than Spark EV 2.6C, guess we have to wait and see. Doesn’t Spark EV taper? That seems to be the big issue, when that taper point starts.

      I think a Tesla 100kWh vehicle would be able to charge faster of their chargers could deliver more power. I think the 60kWh model charges at a higher rate than the 100kWh, so given they are essentially the same sort of battery setup it indicates getting the power to the batteries is more the issue than the batteries ability to take a higher charge.

      1. SparkEV says:

        Not sure what you mean, but free charging SUCKS regardless of the manufacturer. Tesla giving free charging is one big reason why I’ll wait before getting one; either Tesla improve superchargers and/or old farts who get free charging die out in enough numbers.

        Based on my experience, over 3/4 of my waits at DCFC are for people who get free charging and live local.

        Ioniq being 3.6C is dubious. With 30 kWh battery, 3.6C means 108 kW charging. There isn’t 108 kW charger. But even if it could do that, I doubt it’d keep up to 80% at that rate while SparkEV doesn’t taper until 80%.

        20 minutes to 80% was marketed by many, but they were all pure lie. With DCFC loss and voltage variations, average power to 80% is about 45 kW (about 42 kW at 0% to 49 kW at 80% and no taper). 45 kW for 20 minutes (1/3 hour) is only 15 kWh. 80% means the pack must be 18.75 kWh. Only SparkEV and iMiev pack is that small. See this blog post of actual measurement of 104 DCFC sessions, scroll down to “Curvy figures with angular jags”

        http://sparkev.blogspot.com/2017/05/year-of-dc-fast-charging-and-battery.html

  5. menorman says:

    Are they going to surprise everyone by finally switching to CCS, at least for the American market?

    1. Brandon says:

      Seriously doubt it. Nissan has invested a lot in the CHAdeMO standard and also build out an impressive network via partners like EVgo. But most all fast chargers installed nowadays are dual standard, so either way it wouldn’t really matter.

      1. CLIVE says:

        CHAdeMO is years ahead of CCS, so yes it does matter.

        1. MikeM says:

          Yes indeed! In some areas it really does matter.
          CCS seems to concentrate on major interstate highways.

          In Western Oregon, coastal Highway 1 is well supplied with CHAdeMO from WA border to CA. A great boon to EV travel here.

          1. unlucky says:

            I don’t believe there is a coastal highway 1 in Oregon.

            1. Mr. M says:

              Google helps Findung streets and Highways.

              It exists.

              1. unlucky says:

                Yep. google works great. Says it doesn’t exist. The coastal highway in Oregon is US-101. There appears to be no coastal highway 1 in Oregon.

          1. philip d says:

            And as far as numbers CCS is catching CHAdeMO quickly. In the greater Atlanta area there are around 65 CHAdeMO and 55 CCS chargers now.

            If I zoom out on plugshare to a greater area showing Chattanooga TN, Greenville SC, Athens, GA and Atlanta GA there are about 90 CHA vs. 80 CCS.

            If I check the San Francisco bay area there are about 110 CHA vs. 75 CCS.

            CHAdeMO isn’t that far ahead of CCS in numbers and falling behind in charging rate capability.

            1. unlucky says:

              I looked at Oregon and as shocked at how many more CHAdeMO chargers there were than CCS. CCS is definitely growing faster so the story could be different in a year or two. But Nissan is bringing out a car right now it seems like if they value the Oregon market they have to keep CHAdeMO. I think they’d have to do both or CHAdeMO.

              But doing both would hurt their cost structure for California where they sell more EVs.

              Looks like Nissan is in a tight spot here. I’m very interested in how (and if) they solve this.

              1. Maybe optional extra for adding CCS over just J1772, along with CHAdeMO?

    2. CHris says:

      There was a prototype spotted near the German Nissan headquarter cahrging on Chademo. So, I think that is set.

    3. Stimpy says:

      Nissan is the only manufacturer in the US still supporting Chademo. And with a single model.

      It’s time they switch to CCS like everyone else.

      1. unlucky says:

        Isn’t the Kia Soul EV CHAdeMO also?

        1. Correct! And I saw two Soul EV’s in the Wild today, and 1 Tesla Model S, a 70D classic nose version! Tesla Also can accrss and use CHAdeMO, too, so that makes 2 + 3 Teslas: Model S, X, & coming Model 3!

          1. Brandon says:

            Another interesting thing about CHAdeMO is that besides Oregon’s electric highway of CHAdeMO fast chargers, some countries in Eastern Europe I’ve observed that CHAdeMO is there almost exclusively while CCS is far and few between. Estonia and Ukraine are that way.

  6. Brian says:

    Is it just me, or does it look like that infotainment screen is put over top of the real one? I thought we saw a shot with a much larger screen in there. Could we be looking at the S-trim version, perhaps? Strategically located so that spy photographers cannot see the true SV/SL version?

    1. unlucky says:

      It could be the S-trim version, clearly that screen is smaller than the one in the existing LEAF so that would point that way.

      Except why put the CD/DVD drive on the cheapest one? If you’re cost reducing wouldn’t you take that off first?

      I don’t think this is some kind of “cover” over the actual unit, I think this is the real unit for some version of the new LEAF.

  7. leafowner says:

    I own a leaf today and generally like it – except for the very limited range. If Nissan goes with a 40 & 60 kWh option – there may be some decent volumes sold (at least of the 60 as long as it is priced well BELOW the Model 3). May get some decent 40kWh sales as well if it is price competitive with the Prime (under $29k)

    I’m a Model 3 reservation holder and sorry Nissan — there is not much you could do to sway my decision – unless you give me one of course…..

  8. DJ says:

    I get that a front and center charge point can be convenient for charging in public but isn’t it a PITA to do in your garage? I usually park within 4-6″ at most of some cabinets in my garage. Having to reach over to put in the charge cable I would think is a PITA. Seems much easier to be able to plug it in on either the driver or passenger side door or rear area no?

    1. Hang a ping pong ball on a string so it just touches your windshield when the car is exactly where you want it.

      Learned that from my grandfather.

      1. DJ says:

        Ya, it’s not a problem for me to get 4-6″ from the cabinet, it’s that I need to get that close. I’ve got a shallow garage and with cabinets there isn’t much extra room in the front or the back. A ping pong ball isn’t going to solve that ๐Ÿ˜€

        1. Maybe time to knock that wall out and move it back? I hear the Tesla Model X can do that for you, at least in Korean Homes!
          ;รท)

    2. TP says:

      I have never found it to be a problem that my Leaf’s charge port is in the front-center. Especially handy in public.

      But it is likely whatever you get use to. For instance several months ago I had a BMW i3 for a extended test drive. I really did not care for the charge port being at the back right-hand (passenger side) panel. I park on the left side of my garage and usually pull in, so the charge cables got a bit in the way. If I were to get an i3 or a Tesla, I would likely move my EVSE so that it would be less awkward.

      1. Ron Morrell says:

        My charger is on the right wall of my garage. The Volt needs to be next to the wall for the cord to reach its left fender. The cord will reach the Leaf parked in the left spot. If I change to a Bolt, I will need to buy a longer cord. Garage is deep enough for a pick up truck.

    3. unlucky says:

      I had a LEAF and charged it at home. I have a Bolt and charge it at home.

      The LEAF location is more convenient generally. It’s better when charging in public and in the garage it’s as convenient unless you don’t have space in front of your car. In that case it’s really bad.

      I have space in front of my car so I’d probably prefer to still be with front-center charging like on the LEAF. But the Bolt location also works well for me. The Tesla location would be the worst in my case. I’d be walking over the cable a lot more and have to drag it further.

    4. Jason says:

      Doesn’t matter where the charger is located, sometimes it will work really well, other times it will be a PITA. Front/Rear Centre does make it easier for a world market, more logical solution for manufacturing and user.

      Ok, front centre, good if you pull into the parking spot and the charger is at the front as well, doesn’t matter if it is on either side. If charger is at back might not reach. In your garage, maybe reverse in, Leaf has a great reversing camera (not as good as Auto Park, I imagine).
      Charge port at rear side, ok if you park front in and the charger is on the off side, it might not reach. You can always reverse in. Basically the same if charge port is on front side.

      On my case there is really one logical location for the EVSE in my garage, which is at the back left side of the car. I made sure I got a long EVSE cable so it could reach the front on the Leaf. If the port was on the left side then I would be knocking it as I walk around the car because the garage is a tight fit with 2 cars. Front is not a problem as the garage is long enough and the cable sort of sits up on the bonnet, doesn’t stick out as much as it would on a side panel.

      If the port was on the right front then I would have to reverse in.

      I think Tesla and Bolt have the port on drivers side (US versions), not sure whether Tesla swaps sides with RHD vehicles. If it is on the driver’s side, then that is a PITA with many of our charges being on the side of the road, the cable has to reach across the car.

      One of my friends told me he had to park facing the wrong way to charge his Outlander PHEV (Australia), whereas I just pulled up to the same charger in my Leaf and it reached the centre port no problems.

  9. Headline says Sept 6th, and the article say the 5th, for the reveal.

    1. Jay Cole says:

      It’s one of those 6 of one, half dozen of the other things. Technically, it is the 6th, as it happens in Tokyo…but that will be the 5th in the US.

      But I think probably given IEV’s audience, I think you are right and it is best if we do say 5th in the title, and work the disclaimer backwards in the story instead of vice-versa, lol

  10. trangen2011 says:

    It looks the same, same but very recognizable shape.

  11. hpver says:

    This isn’t piquing my interest or making more eager for the car or whatever Nissan thinks it’s supposed to do.

    Frankly, it’s just annoying. Give us some real information, Nissan, or don’t. These dribs and drabs are completely useless. They don’t tell me anything I’d need to know to make a decision on whether to get this car, and they make me think it’s less likely that the substance of this vehicle will have much to impress me.

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