Nissan Releases First Teaser Of 2nd Gen “All New” LEAF

6 months ago by Jay Cole 78

Your 2018 Nissan LEAF!

Nissan has finally started the promotional wheels turning for its upcoming, “all new” LEAF, that will officially debut this September, and go on sale shortly thereafter.

Current Nissan LEAF Headlamp Assembly

And what better way to kick things off than a teaser pic…unfortunately for now, it is just of the front headlamp assembly.

However, considering how maligned the first generation LEAF’s unconventional headlamp/look was up front, perhaps this was as good a place as any to start.

Given Nissan’s statement surrounding the first image, we are in for a slow trickle of subsequent shots:

“Today, the world gets its first glimpse at the next-generation LEAF, the next chapter in Nissan’s Intelligent Zero-Emissions Mobility.

This “teaser” image, released via social media channels and to current LEAF owners, is the first in a series of photos and informational briefs scheduled this summer in preparation for the global reveal of the new Nissan LEAF later this year.”

As always, we will have all the new pictures and related 2nd gen information as it becomes available.

Gallery Below: 2018 Nissan LEAF prototype mule spyshots

Also as a point of reference (shown below), the Nissan IDS Concept is said to be the inspiration for the next generation LEAF.

The next generation LEAF is said to arrive with at least 2 longer range battery options, hopefully the 60 kWh pack found in the IDS (and looking production ready – see photo below) will be one of those options out of the gate.

Nissan IDS Concept

Nissan IDS Concept

Gallery (below): Nissan IDS Concept

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78 responses to "Nissan Releases First Teaser Of 2nd Gen “All New” LEAF"

  1. PJ says:

    Well if this is any indication of where Nissan is headed with the design language of Leaf 2.0 then we should be in for treat. It looks worlds better than the ” Bug eyed ” current gen.

    1. Devin Serpa says:

      It looks like a boring ICE headlamp. At least the “bug eye” was functional, towards the purpose of the vehicle, efficiency.

      If this is where Nissan is going, they will go from pioneers to also ran. Especially hearing the range will be lower than the competition.

      1. Brandon says:

        A 60 kWh battery is gonna be mighty close to the Bolt EV range of 238 miles.

  2. jelloslug says:

    More like “mostly new”

    1. sveno says:

      Yes, there is no indication that the roofline and door changed – perhaps the whole frame is the same?

      1. Jeff Songster says:

        Existing chassis seems to work fine… We love our 2 LEAFs. Can’t wait to see the new one. Next few years are gonna be great for electrics. Between our 2 cars we have driven 65k miles without a drop of fuel!

        1. SJC says:

          “..without a drop of fuel!”
          I like the sound of that, I hope that is the future for America.

        2. Devin Serpa says:

          Nice. Good job. My wife and I are up to 157k EV miles from one LEAF a Volt, then two Soul EVs.

    2. kubel says:

      They had to tweak the structure of the car to pass small overlap tests, but other than that, I would say this is a ‘mostly old’ refresh. I expect new interior, hopefully some Android Auto / Apple CarPlay capability, and a front and rear facelift.

      1. sveno says:

        While I don’t like to dish out 250€ for a navigation update with road data that is already 1-2 years old – the auto updating public charger list works really well and thats something that Android Auto and Apple Carplay can’t do so well yet. There is Plugshare but its no Garmin.

        1. sveno says:

          Wow, it turns out Apple has very recently expanded its map and it now includes all public DCFCs in my area on its map. The type (search term) is “DC Fast” and there is a link “more info on moovility.me” which lists power and plug types.
          There is also a search category “EV Chargers” which lists AC variants too.

          Google maps only has a few in my area and they look user added – names vary wildly, hard to search 🙁

  3. georgeS says:

    Looks like a good competitor to the BoltEV. It will be a larger car with more interior room.

    I’m especially interested in whether or not this unit will have an actively cooled battery…..and if it does what will the cooling system look like??

    1. Jeff Songster says:

      Not sure they need to cool the battery other than with airflow. Our 2 LEAFs have had a bunch of DC Quick Charges over the years… and been in California heat since 2013… our 2013 lost a bar of capacity at about 28k miles… otherwise still going strong… Our 2015… driven harder quick charged more… still all bars at 33k… Seems that the new chemistry is somewhat better. I understand that the early LEAF buyers were on the bleeding edge as Nissan discovered the originals didn’t last when repeatedly used in high desert heat. They added forced air cooling to the eNV200 van… maybe that will be included… but it does add some cost and complexity to an otherwise simpler design.

      1. Leo says:

        The absolutely do need to cool it. Losing a bar at 28k is completely unacceptable when the Teslas seem to be going about 100k with a third of the battery degregation.

        I have a Leaf too and it works great but the only reason I have it is because I live in the pacific northwest and it hardly ever gets hot here. Would never buy a leaf in a hot climate, the batteries are a disaster and if that’s not fixed the new model will be dead on arrival.

        1. SJC says:

          They really DO need to thermally manage the battery pack, to ignore this is dense.

          1. Mr. M says:

            They dont need to do it. If the actual 30kWh leaf loses the first bar (1.bar = 15%) after 30-40k miles and the new leaf has a battery that is around twice as big. Twice the battery size means twice the milage Ehen the first bar drops. So at least 70k miles before the first bar drops.

            And assuming 200 miles of range when new, it will still hold 170 miles of range after 70k miles. And it will drop to 150 miles of range after you have driven 120k miles. That is a long journey and half the maximum age of a car.

            Why should Nissan increase cost when they don’t need to?

            1. SJC says:

              Because fewer people will buy their product with poor battery life, there are a lot more alternatives now than 5 years ago. Look at the poor resale price of 2011 LEAF with 50,000 miles.

            2. MikeG says:

              I guess it’s a matter of opinion if customers are satisfied losing 15% of their range in 30-40K miles.

              1. William says:

                Actually 42k mi. In my 2013 Leaf 4 full years later, still 12 bars, actual degradation between 3-4% annually is a good rule of thumb for 10-12k mi. per year. Come July, I do realistically expect to drop the first bar (15%) at around 45k and 50 months on the road!

                1. Thanh Lim says:

                  I’m at 57K, and luckily, I still have all 12 bars.
                  It’s been over 3 years.

                  So what exactly is it that made your Leaf lose the bar so quickly?

                  It read 94 miles when I pressed start today.

                  1. SJC says:

                    Lots of stories but we need data collection over many cars over many years, that information is available on the web.

                    1. chan says:

                      nissan have two batteries lizard and first gen battery, the lizard are not reported tbe losing capacity that fast, what you are reading is the one make before 2015.

      2. Alexander H. says:

        Just my experience, but I drove about 500 miles in one day with my Leaf last summer: there were 6 quick charges that day (5 free at Nissan dealerships and one at a mall through EVGO). Temps were low-mid 90’s. During the two afternoon charging sessions, my speeds were definitely slower than the morning sessions, and my battery temp was consistently in the upper limits of the gauge. I didn’t measure speeds, but each session took about 10 – 15 minutes longer. Whether warranted or not, I was worried about damaging the battery by charging the only way I could, in order to complete the trip in a timely manner.

        My opinion is thermal management would make trips like this faster and likely cause less stress to the battery (and owner!). Have I absolutely needed thermal management in the past 2.5 years? No: proper planning has been enough to rack up 32k miles on the Leaf.

      3. David Murray says:

        Yes.. they absolutely need cooling. No other EV or PHEV out there is known for losing capacity except for the Leaf, even if it is just “1 bar” as you say. Sure, they all lose some but it is such a small amount few people care.

      4. DJ says:

        I would personally be pissed if I lost a bar after 28k miles. It’s not linear so I would expect you to lose another bar before the next 28k miles assuming similar charging and driving habits.

        I don’t think they are going to have an active TMS in the Leaf 2.0 if I recall correctly. I could have been very interested in it but no active TMS makes it a lease only option for me. Same with the Ioniq (I don’t consider air cooling enough) 🙁

        1. Jason says:

          I’m not sure you are right, everything I’ve read about battery degradation indicates it drops faster initially, then tapers off.

          Of course I expect there is a point where it just fails drastically near the end of life. Maybe that is why Tesla took that battery from a vehicle that had done 200k miles, to see the end of life failure?

          Nissan have undoubtedly improved their chemistry, plus it sounds like they could be using LG Chem so might have to actively cool, but I haven’t heard the same horror stories associated with the Lizard battery or 30kWh battery, and there is plenty of info about Tesla degradation and the fact PHEV have over capacity plus fall back to ICE, so it is hard to really compare degradation across all models. Active cooling (especially liquid cooling) definitely improves the situation, but is it really going to be that big an issue? Time will tell.

          1. Brandon says:

            Good balanced synopsis.

            A larger pack with better chemistry will go a long way toward less battery degradation.
            IMO that actually leaves an active liquid TMS in third place as far as importance in preventing battery degradation.

      5. Devin Serpa says:

        My 2011 LEAF dropped 3 bars after 40k miles. Mediterranean Bay Area climate, no DC charging. They need active cooling.

        1. BenG says:

          Well the 2011s were obviously problematic and had to be improved. They were already with the lizard chemistry.

          I expect that further improvements to the lizard chemistry plus adding air cooling from the passenger compartment like the Prime and the Ioniq would be sufficient.

          But a liquid TMS would also be good.

      6. JamieO says:

        I have a 2014 manufactured in January 2014 with just over 30,500 miles and 12 full bars. The AHr value was 58.33 & the Hx value was 87.33 a year ago on May 18, 2016 (mileage of 15,723). The values on May 15, 2017 were 57.83 and 87.30, respectively.
        I live in Southwestern Tennessee with hot summers and relatively mild winters (though not as hot as the southwestern USA)

    2. WadeTyhon says:

      I hope so! The issues with the battery and range loss in hot environments are what made me decide to go with the Spark 2 years ago.

      The head and tail lights will be a welcome change also. Hopefully some performance improvements as well.

      My pending Bolt lease will be up in late 2020… so I cannot wait to see what kind of options will be available from Tesla, Nissan, and GM then!

    3. Someone out there says:

      You see a picture of a headlight and conclude that it will have more interior room, how does that work?

      1. GeorgeS says:

        Someone,
        Assuming it is same wheelbase as the gen 1 leaf, then it will have a larger wheelbase than the boltev

      2. CLIVE says:

        The bolt is small in the back.

        1. SJC says:

          Second Head Room 37.9 in
          Second Hip Room 50.8 in
          Second Leg Room 36.5 in
          Second Shoulder Room 52.8 in

          Bolt has more room than many compacts.

  4. Amperaguy says:

    Seems like the new Leaf will follow the current trend in japanese design with overly complicated lines.

    1. Jeff Songster says:

      It’s all about aerodynamics first… style second… adds to the battery range.

      1. Lawrence says:

        The coefficient of drag in a Leaf is worse than the average car of its size.

        1. Devin Serpa says:

          With a drag coefficient of 0.32 not many the same class and price beat the LRAF, save for a Mazda 3 and Prius.

          1. Devin Serpa says:

            Sorry cd 0.28.

            1. ModernMarvelFan says:

              0.28 was proven to be false by Car and Driver’s air drag testing.

              Cd of 0.32 was the result from that “3rd party” validation.

              1. CLIVE says:

                Link to that, otherwise I call BS.

                  1. ModernMarvelFan says:

                    +1. Thanks!

                    I thought mentioning of the Car and Driver and their specific drag test was sufficient for one to Google the result themselves…

                    *sigh*. People are just too lazy these days.

          2. Lawrence says:

            An the VW Golf, Hyundai Ioniq, Chevy Bolt, Chevy Volt …

      2. Warren says:

        Right! That is why you see some many birds and fish with gratuitous scopes and ridges all over. Styling is job number one at all car companies. These hideous origami designs are supposed to be distinctive. They will really have to work to look worse than the new Prius though.

        1. Warren says:

          Look! Our cars look just like the latest warplanes!

          This all started with low radar signature aircraft. Great for bouncing radar away from detectors, but lousy aerodynamics. Low speed aerodynamics, that was relevant to automobiles, ended with the arrival of the jet engine.

  5. Jerome says:

    Is that how it’s really going to look? Looks like a piece of loose trim hanging in space over headlights.

    1. KevinZ says:

      I suppose its some kind of led daytime running light?

    2. Jerome says:

      Am told it’s a drl strip, but still looks weirdly unattached.

    3. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ sven says:

      It looks like they put braces on the Leaf.

      1. William says:

        Nice, the next soon to reveal pics, will be head gear as well!

        1. CLIVE says:

          LOL

  6. Alex says:

    Looks hot! I love it now bring it cheape to Europe, I mean cheaper than the Ampera-E and Nodel 3 and it will be successfull.

  7. William says:

    Nissan has the “Tesla Tease” down pat, with this latest Leaf strip, then revealing slightly more skin. Nissan and its new CEO are running way late with this T&A show.

    The smoking hot GM Bolt has our heads looking in the opposite direction. That is until next month, and the main event!

    1. Jeff Songster says:

      True, seems that Nissan is revving up to knock the BOLT off the inexpensive 200+ market… Hopefully by introducing this new car at a lower price point than either the BOLT (with it’s weak DCQC performance) or the Model 3 which will not even be available unless you already have a deposit down for another year or more depending on the ramp. If Nissan comes in lower, more available and as solid as the current LEAF they will have a great entrant and sell a load of them. In the SF Bay Area these cars are becoming super common on our roads. Our CHAdeMO DCFCs are getting busier everyday and are starting to get upgraded to 150kw capability. More than enough to quick charge a 60kW battery to 80% in 30 minutes… gonna be fun!

      1. William says:

        The more 150kw CHAdeMO chargers, and a 60kWh 2018 Leaf, that can charge to 80% ( approx. 50kWh ) from 20% ( approx. 10kWh ), in under 30 minutes, would be some welcome progress for us Leaf Lovers who cant charge at home overnight.

        I just hope Nissan can stick with their 2 year “No Charge to Charge” program for buyers, and us 3year/45k mi. “Leaf Leasers”!

        Gotta do what you have to do, until the Tesla Model 3 is not fulfilling all those many orders ahead mine!

      2. unlucky says:

        What weak DCQC performance are you talking about on the Bolt? I’ve personally DC fast charged one so I’d love to hear about your experience.

        I’m in the SF Bay Area and I’ve never see any CHAdeMO charger that is faster than a CCS charger. No 150kW upgrades for CHAdeMO and only that one (seemingly fake) fast CCS charger.

        Where is this 150kW CHAdeMO you are talking about?

        1. William says:

          The EVgo charger is in Freemont, CA. It is Not a public charger. The public 150kw charger is in Baker, CA.

      3. scott franco says:

        The way to compete with GM at this late stage in the game is not price reduction, but rolling out faster charging.

        GM can win any price war. The leaf NT will come out in the age of Tesla M3 with 10kW charging and cool factor, no extra charge. The waves are coming…

  8. Mister G says:

    Looks broken LOL

    1. Jeff Songster says:

      ???

      1. Jerome says:

        The drl strip, Jeff. It should be part of the assembly, not sticking out in space like that where it can be easily broken.

  9. Lawrence says:

    Historically Nissan’s teasers ended in disappointment. I’m skeptical and think that this will be the same. I’m wishing for a nice EV from them as my EV lease is up in Dec. I’m not holding my breath though.

  10. Brendan says:

    Kinda wish they went a little big edgier on the design. Where Tesla has done well amongst other things is in making their cars desirable.

  11. Brave Lil Toaster says:

    You know, before today, I always rolled my eyes and “ugh”ed at every teaser image of silly design points like this.

    I already knew they’d gotten rid of the bug-eye look, but this is actually nice to see.

  12. Bret says:

    I certainly hope the new LEAF isn’t just an old LEAF with a bigger battery and new headlights. Otherwise, Nissan is going to get killed by Tesla and GM. The new headlight looks cool, but the mule pictures look pretty meh. The bar for EVs is much higher now than it was in 2010.

  13. Joe says:

    Maybe Nissan strategy is to be super competitive (29k$) with a 45kWh battery and 200 miles range.

    1. Just_Chris says:

      I have to admit I’m with you on this one. The bolt and the model 3 are going to suit most of the long range EV buyers with $40k to spare. There will also be a whole shed load of higher priced German options coming through in the next 3 years. I’d love to see Nissan and Renault go with 40-50 kWh, 0-60 in 10 sec and a sub $30k price tag before incentives. It’d be nice to see a bit more global availability as well.

  14. Mikael says:

    60 kWh and 80 kWh option.

    Good thermal management.

    100+ kW CCS.

    10+ kW AC charging.

    (And a proper USB port from which you can actually charge your phone from)

    Then we are done….

    1. William says:

      “We are done” with all of the above + some telescoping steering adjustment. Even decent thermal management would be tolerable!

  15. ModernMarvelFan says:

    Seriously, does any EV buyers really care about the corner of the headlight?

    I mean, a better teaser would have been the GOM display of range, a Power rating, some kind of “faster” charging port or a cool mirror of some kind…

    A corner of the car? Geez…

    Not excited yet.

  16. Sharkvolt says:

    I guess some people will buy a $5000 cheaper car that has a cheaper battery maintenance system resulting in reduced range as the car ages. I prefer paying a little more for a car like my 2011 Volt, whose range is still virtually unchanged after six years and 60,000 miles.

    That is why I purchased a Bolt, which seems to average around 225 miles range each day (with air conditioning on) and closer to 250 miles range without air conditioning.

  17. Carl says:

    The secret to long batt life is to charge the batt every single time you park the car for the night!! I know my neighbor who didn’t plug it in every night & his leaf is already down 4 bars. My ebike still has the original li-ion batt from 10 YEARS AGO..it still holds full charge!!

    1. John Hollenberg says:

      No, the secrets to long battery life are:

      1) Keep the battery cool live in Pacific Northwest)
      2) Minimize the time at high state of charge, less than 50% most of the time is desirable
      3) Minimize the depth of discharge, 60% to 40% twice is better than 80% to 40% once

  18. offib says:

    Jay if you’re reading this.

    Can we not point out the 3rd picture of the test mule? Underneath it looks like a bar-lock or something that’ll hold a spare tyre.

    Might not mean a lot to a lot of us, but there’s a heap load of people who are ostricised by the lack of a spare.

    1. David S. says:

      Nobody pointed it out, except you 🙂