Nissan Confirms “Longer-Range Version” Of LEAF Coming In The Future

SEP 14 2018 BY ERIC LOVEDAY 122

Rolling into 2019, Nissan has decided to leave LEAF pricing as is.

That’s fine by us, as the LEAF is still the most affordable electric car available today with a range of over 150 miles.

While pricing is okay, what we’re disappointed by is the fact that Nissan still is reluctant to commit to a date for the highly anticipated 60-kWh version that reportedly will come with active thermal management for the battery pack.

However, this vague mention is buried in the pricing release:

A longer-range version will be available in the future.

We believe this to be the first time the automaker has publicly acknowledged the longer-range LEAF.

Perhaps the 60-kWh LEAF will be sold later this year as a Model Year 2020 offering? Since the competition is heating up and sales of the LEAF are lagging, likely due to the fact that its range is not quite up there with the big boys these days, the 60-kWh LEAF can’t come soon enough.

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Full press blast below:

Nissan announces U.S. pricing for 2019 LEAF

NASHVILLE, Tenn. – Nissan has announced U.S. pricing for the 2019 Nissan LEAF, on sale now at LEAF Certified Nissan dealers nationwide.

The 2019 Nissan LEAF features a starting MSRP1 of $29,990 for the LEAF S – with pricing for all three trim levels unchanged from 2018. The Nissan LEAF is the best-selling electric vehicle in the world2 with more than 348,000 global sales and over 123,000 U.S. sales since its 2010 debut.

The second-generation Nissan LEAF is the embodiment of Nissan Intelligent Mobility, the company’s approach to changing the way cars are driven, powered and integrated into society. Three key aspects of Nissan Intelligent Mobility, are Nissan Intelligent Driving, Nissan Intelligent Power and Nissan Intelligent Integration.

The 2019 LEAF features a 150-mile driving range3, attractive exterior design, roomy high- tech interior and advanced technologies including ProPILOT Assist4 and e-Pedal5.

For 2019, Nissan LEAF adds standard Rear Door Alert (RDA)6 (late availability). A longer-range version will be available in the future.

Manufacturer’s Suggested Retail Prices1 (MSRP) for the 2019 Nissan LEAF are:

LEAF S $29,990 USD
LEAF SV $32,490 USD
LEAF SL $36,200 USD
Destination and Handling $895 USD

About the 2019 Nissan LEAF
The 2019 Nissan LEAF’s lithium-ion battery pack delivers an estimated range of 150 miles, which satisfies the daily driving needs of most LEAF owners.

Available technology and convenience features include standard e-Pedal, Automatic Emergency Braking (AEB), automatic on/off headlights, Nissan Intelligent Key™ with Push Button Start, Bluetooth® Hands-free Phone System, Streaming Audio via Bluetooth®, SiriusXM® Satellite Radio (SiriusXM® subscription required, sold separately), Hands-free Text Messaging Assistant, Automatic Temperature Control with HVAC timer (7.0-inch information display) and 60/40 split fold-down rear seat.

Also available are NissanConnect with Navigation featuring Apple CarPlay™ and Android Auto™, NissanConnect Services Powered by SiriusXM®, Bose® Premium Audio with seven speakers, Intelligent Cruise Control (ICC), Quick Charge Port, Blind Spot Warning (BSW), Rear Cross Traffic Alert (RCTA), Intelligent Around View® Monitor (I-AVM) and Intelligent Driver Alertness (I-DA).

Every 2019 Nissan LEAF is offered with a limited warranty7 covering defects in materials or workmanship for eight years or 100,000 miles, whichever comes first, for the lithium-ion battery pack. Nissan also provides a limited warranty against battery capacity loss below nine bars of capacity as shown on the vehicle’s battery capacity level gauge for the first eight years or 100,000 miles for all models.

For more information on the 2019 LEAF and the complete Nissan vehicle lineup, please visit NissanNews.com.

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122 Comments on "Nissan Confirms “Longer-Range Version” Of LEAF Coming In The Future"

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Tom

Well, I won’t be the only one to say it’s fairly disappointing. For those of us in the South, the 2019 Leaf was the EV model I was recommending people who can’t afford a LR PUP Model 3 look at.

TheCyberKnight

Well, considering you seem to look for longer range and likely would benefit from thermal management (being in the South), I wonder why you don’t mention the Bolt.
It already has all the attributes you’re looking for in the elusive long range LEAF. And it’s very unlikely the next Leaf will be cheaper.

Clive

Well personally I think the lousy dealer experience and super crappy lease deals are enough to keep most away from a Bolt EV.

Clive

I forgot to mention the horrible front seats ‼️

John Doe

It’s supposed to get new seats, right?

Allan J. Favish

It already has new front seats. The original seats were bad. I sat in the new seats and they are fine.

Clive

New seats might come on the 2019 Bolt.

The current Bolt seats suck IMO.

Nissan has much better seats.

antrik

Dude, you missed the update. They clarified that the 2018 model already got new seats; no change there in the 2019 one.

Clive

MAY… They were very careful with the words they used.

Gibber

I looked at it but it really is small, there is zero car behind the rear seat.

Big Solar

I think the leaf will be cheaper but the Bolt is available now

Jeffrey Songster

New LEAF starts delivering in March 2019… hopefully worldwide. According to my sources.

Tesla4theWin

I think the Leaf’s ProPilot (similar to Autopilot 1.0) may give it an edge over the Bolt even without good thermal management or long range

Lars Hastrup

Have 2014 Leaf – why haven’t I bought a new Leaf – because it is not available with trailer hitch !
40kWh is OK for me

Clive

If you want a trailer hitch, you better install your own. Don’t expect it from Nissan until they offer dual motors.

John Doe

Illegal in many markets. In Norway they may take your license plate AND if you’re in an accident, you may automatically be called responsible (even if you were not).

Clive

I would never live in such a place.

Clive

A small hitch only holds a few bikes or a small tent trailer.

Void the warrantee, thats been that way for a very long time.

Davek

I think on this website you criticise Norway at your own peril 😉

Clive

Norway is no doubt a great place, however the rules might not be so great when you’re outside looking in.

BoltUp

Bolt comes with a 1.25″ dealer installed hitch.

Lars Hastrup

In Denmark it is illegal and no more guarantee on the car – further to this it is not possible to buy the Bolt :-((

Scramjett

The Ampera E is not available in Denmark? It’s basically a rebadged Bolt. Or did it go away when GM sold off Opel? In any case, I’m not so sure that would be a problem in a country where more than half of all trips are on a bike?

Jeffrey Songster

At least just a receiver that is rated for carriers but not towing.

Ted

I added a curt hitch (1.25) to my 2018 Leaf for $130 + 2 hours of install time. The 2017 & 2018 Leaf share the same chassis; lots of YouTube vids to explain the install.

Benz

“A longer-range version will be available in the future.”

They didn’t even dare to mention the year 2019.

They clearly do not want to commit themselves to any point in time in the near future.

Could there be a problem?

Many new EV models will come to the market in 2019.

There will be more competition for the Nissan Leaf in 2019.

They really should not wait too long with revealing the Nissan Leaf with the 60 kWh battery pack.

Clive

Correct.

I just got a 6 month lease extension hoping for a 60kwh sometime between Dec and March of 2019. If they fail, hatchback aside I will not be a Nissan customer after March if they fail to deliver. After test driving Model 3 last Friday my loyalty is dwindling fast.

Troy

My 2015 lease would have expired next month. Could have extended 6 months too but decided in June it would be better to just let it go for a 2018.

Coulda bought out the 2015 for $9500 + tax but I have better uses for that money, alas. The 2018 will cost about the same as keeping the 2015 thanks to the $4500 in dealer discounts, $15,000 in rebates + benefit of having a 0% 72mo loan.

Model 3 is OK I guess but for the extra $26,000 OTD price vs the 2018 Leaf I can get say a Miata GT-S for the intercity driving.

But luckily I live in a weird place with nothing of interest within 150 miles, so a Leaf is perfect.

Dan F.

How do you end up with 15000 in rebates??? (not skepticism just curious)

James

Can you name just one of the “many new EVs” due out next year?

The new 2019 EVs I know of are $70,000+ boutique European tall wagons. Not exactly competition for the LEAF. The KIA Niro EV and Hyndai Kona EV are vaporware. Just like the Ioniq EV.

The LEAF looks safe at the affordable entry level of EVdom in the United States and Canada.

Even the Bolt is $43,000 with the end of the tax credit looming.

Magnus H

Ioniq, Kona and Niro are all available now.

Clive

Absolutely if you’d don’t mind driving a gas version or you happen to live in a compliance state.

Magnus H

Maybe they are not available in the US. All three are selling well in South Korea.

Clive

Thats awesome

I am so jelly

Troy

My thesis back in June when I decided not to wait for the LG platform cars was that even in CA it wasn’t going to be possible to say get ~$5000 off MSRP and 0% interest financing like what I got with the 2018 Leaf.

I doubt a Kia/Hyundai dealer near me will even carry them (they don’t have EV now).

Nissan’s 60kWh version is the wildcard, but it’s going to be a bit of a wait. Think they’ll sell for $10,000 more than what I paid. Not sure I’d pay $5000 more for 20 extra kWh I very rarely need (like once or twice a year).

Dan F.

Ioniq EV barely available (only L.A.). Probably will be the same for the other two. I hope not but I do expect much from Hyundai/Kia.

Kyol

Yeah bit Hyundai though…

Gasbag

“They really should not wait too long with revealing the Nissan Leaf with the 60 kWh battery pack.”

They started showing off their 60 kWh pack back in2015. When is too long?

Bustya

Not to mention how Carlos Ghosn has used up most of his federal tax credits, other automakers will have a huge advantage over Nissan for years to come.

TimE

Perhaps they are waiting for the 200,000th Leaf to sell, then release the 60 KWh Leaf and sell in droves during the tax credit phase out?

Regardless, the bigger battery cannot come soon enough. 40KWh is good – if it didn’t have the Rapid Charging issue – but they certainly need something with 200+ miles sooner than later.

Jeffrey Songster

1st comment makes no sense… second one is right on!

Jeffrey Songster

Tesla has already hit 200k… phaseout starts 2019… Nissan will hit it not long after they intro the 2019 car and if they time it like Tesla they will start phaseout on July 1 2019. GM is also imminently going to hit it soon… probably before Nissan in Q1 of 2019. So… since none of the other manufacturers have even really started to sell EVs in earnest… and none of them have a SuperCharge/Destination Charger net even barely established versus the big spike T. Still love my Nissan LEAF and my Model X. Best choices yet offered. Model 3 will be cleaning all their clocks in the next year. I would feel bad for the established brands but they have had 10 years to start catching up and most have done little to nothing or worse filled the world with Fear Uncertainty and Doubt. Bye Bye big auto. FIat Chrysler will be the first to go as they were the biggest deniers.

Alex

Saying that a current EV will have a bigger range in the future, it’s like saying a kid will get taller in the future.

I’m sure rumors about a bigger battery must be good, but the important thing is knowing when and at what price. I think it would be more interesting (my view – selfish opinion) to make the current version cheaper. But I don’t want an EV for everything, I want an EV as a 2nd family car and 100 miles would be enough, paying $10k to $15k more for an EV it’s not.

I understand the competition is fighting for range, media is fighting for range, … but I hope brands don’t forget that for millions of people the problem of EVs is price and not range. There is a big market that with all this “craziness” about range, is being forgotten.

I’m not trying to say range is not important, it is and EVs still have a way to go.

Jeffrey Songster

on your 1st point… buy a used LEAF with DCQC. it is a great car for the second car. They are dirt cheap if you can find one. Boom there goes your gas bill. If you want range… put down a deposit on a Model 3 and get one with the long range battery and the tax credits pay for most of the forced upgrades… not as cheap as it will be next year after the credits expire but you will have the car in about a month and you will never regret it. 335 EPA rated miles and an international charger network that no other company will match for at least the next 3 to 5 years. I owned 2 LEAFs and still have one and a Model X… not a single regret nor another drop of gas for me ever again.

Rolando

At least in central Europe there are a few “city hopper” cars in the pipeline for 2019 :
‘E.Go’ from the producer of the street-scooter delivery van in Germany for 15k to 20k Euro incl. 19% VAT,
Swedish ‘Unity’ 2 and 4 seat versions from 15k to 20k Euro
German Sion Motors for 20k Euro including battery purchase and 19% VAT

antrik

I don’t know anything about Unity; but Sion at this point looks more like as scam…

e.GO is *not* made by StreetScooter. It’s an entirely different company, founded by some of the same people/organisations. Like all of these start-ups, while I wish them success, I’m very sceptical about their prospects.

Pushmi-Pullyu

How disappointing! I thought the longer-range version of the Leaf, with an active thermal management system, had been officially announced by Nissan. I’m quite unhappy to learn that Nissan has not committed to an active TMS, and that the longer-range version is not coming this year… and possibly not even next.

Nissan continues to fall behind as other EV makers improve their cars. 🙁

TJKR

It was officially annouced it’ll come in the future. This is the same thing. It’s the future. In the future I’ll not need the Nissan Leaf because I’ll be able to teleport myself anywhere.

Jeffrey Songster

March 2019 isn’t forever yet is it?

Murrysville EV

As the former owner of a 12 Leaf, Nissan has become a laughingstock in the EV industry. The 19 Leaf is essentially unchanged from the 11 Leaf, except for the bigger battery, yet it is still not competitive with the Bolt or the Model 3.

Nissan seems to have lost their commitment.

zzzzzzzzzz

The range is important but not as important as price in most markets it sells as it is in the US. Bolt or Model 3 doesn’t even exist outside North America.
You are in minority.

Bill Howland
The point zzzzzzzzzzzz is that it is one thing for a large company like NISSAN to come out with a compromised EV 8 years ago. But battery Value has of late become absolutely fantastic – since I figure I paid a $50,000 premium for the HUGE 53 kwh battery in the Roadster. Now, I can get more than that in a relatively low-cost effectively 60 kwh BOLT that costs far, far less than the battery only in the Roadster – and of course it goes FURTHER so I have even less range anxiety in the BOLT ev than I did in the Roadster – quite amazing since the Bolt, as EV’s go, is one of the larger ones (certainly much larger than the absolutely diminutive Roadster) – its quite amazing how SMALL that car was – proven by the fact that only Physically Fit people could get in or out of the car. Clueless people talk about the Sport Coupe ELR as having no rear seat room – hahaha its MAMMOTH compared to the FRONT (only) seats in the Roadster. Yeah I was in the minority paying that much in 2011 for a big battery (I won’t buy any BEV… Read more »
antrik

The Ampera-e is sort-of available, in very small quantities, at a much higher price.

It still gets a lot of demand in some markets, since it’s the the only long-range EV on the market beside Tesla and now Jaguar, while still somewhat cheaper than either of these… Once the Model 3 and/or the 60 kWh Leaf become available in Europe though, I expect Ampera-e sales to go almost to zero.

Scramjett

Curious. Which countries is the Ampera-e available in? Who is selling them now that Opel is owned by Peugeot? Is it possible that they’re just drawing down on existing inventories?

Alex

How it is not competitive? Is half of the price of the model 3, and a lot more cheaper than the Bolt that is far from being very universal geographic wise.
Leaf had a 1st generation for 6 or 7 years, perfectly normal, the battery capacity is being improved steadily – 23, 30, 50, and not probably 60.
It’s cheap to operate and one of the most reliable car among any, probably the most reliable EV.

I know it’s easy to get excited with i-pace, model S, X, etrons, … but those are very expensive cars and even the mass market car – the model 3 is almost twice the price of a leaf!

Alex

Fix:
40kwh not 50kwh

Mikael

Fix 2:
kWh not kwh.

William

2011 – 2015 Leaf is advertised as 24 kWh, not 23 kWh.

Scramjett

You know there is an edit button now. Right?

Edit: See, I just used it.

antrik

Doesn’t work for me.

(Might be related to cookies or something… I don’t care enough to investigate.)

Dav8or

Agreed. For some it is enough being able to drive all electric and for others, many others, it’s about driving all electric, but it must be in total luxury, style and comfort. It turns out that BEVs are still a tough sell to those that must maintain a budget, but they are easy to sell to those loaded with cash.

Scramjett

Oh, I don’t know about that. From what I understand, a large number of people have stretched their budget to buy a Tesla by stretching their monthly budgets and taking 72 or even 84 month loans. I personally refuse to go beyond 60 months. Its part of the reason why I own PHEVs instead of a Tesla (I like the Bolt in principal but QC infrastructure is pathetic, even in California).

Now, for folks used to buying sub-$20k cars like Corolla’s, Civic’s and Elantra’s, then yes, putting down that much cash for the privilege of driving electric is a big ask (and right now, driving electric is a privilege).

Brian

Since 2011, Nissan has twice increased the battery size on the Leaf (24->30->40kWh). They have added a heat pump cabin heater. They heavily integrated the electronics from a hump in the trunk to completely under the hood. Nissan has increased the motor power (100->150HP). Nissan has completely restyled the body. Advanced features like ProPilot and ePedal have been added. And all the while, they continue to lower the entry level cost of the car.

And yet you claim “The 19 Leaf is essentially unchanged from the 11 Leaf, except for the bigger battery”?

Djoni

And more driving mode, more regeneration, more powerful 6.6 kW on-board charger, remote control and lighting of the charging door, e-pedal, pro pilot, all kinds of driving warning system, and just about 300 hundred other minor changes.

But, hey, it still has 4 wheels and a steering, so yes, it’s the “same” car.

Hmm..

Bill Howland

Not questioning any of your facts Brian, but the issue remains that would definitely be NAGGING in my mind: apparently the 30 kwh battery degrades much faster than the 24 kwh model – that 24 kwh unit not setting any records for longevity in places such as Tucson, AZ. Jury is out on the 40 kwh – but the fact that HUGE NISSAN would release such a crap battery so recently would make me read any battery warranty really hard.

Since the early warranties for the Leaf essentially asked NOTHING of Nissan (until later class-actions forced their hand), I wouldn’t want one today until it can be PROVEN the battery will last. The BOLT ev, to the contrary, seems to hold its range just fine, and I regularly charge to 95% or more with no problems – at 30,000 miles.

Brian

Valid concern, Bill. I was simply trying to list some of the improvements Nissan has made over the years. Djoni added a few more I had forgotten.

My Leaf’s battery held up OK – about 80% left after 5 years. But that’s in a climate that sees 90F maybe one week out of the year. In AZ, forget it. I haven’t followed the forums too closely, but the track record so far for the 30 and 40kWh batteries don’t seem to be much better in hot climates. I’m not going to lie – it was a major concern of mine when I upgraded last year. I considered waiting for the 60kWh Leaf. The 40kWh Leaf simply wasn’t enough for my longer journeys. I’m really happy I went with the Bolt instead, and have been driving the heck out of it for the past 11 months. Meanwhile, the 60kWh Leaf is coming “in the future”.

Bill Howland

Especially, supposedly according to the Leaf owner’s manual, that you HAVE TO LET THE CAR REST for 1 1/2 hours before Fast Charging it after driving a long distance. What is the point of fast charging if you can’t start charging immediately?

Troy

“Quick charging is possible (even several times a day). If the battery temperature is near the red zone, in order to protect the battery, power of the quick charging will be limited.”

(if the temp gauge hits the red zone, no more QC.)

I took my 2018 on a 300 mile trip last weekend in 90deg+ temps. Driving 55mph indicated to avoid heat buildup (and hypermile a bit) I QC’d in 3 locations @ 28kW each time, for about 10 minutes each since I was mainly checking the ability to charge at each location in case I needed it on the way back.

Battery never got close to the red zone, though it was somewhat close to getting close, if that makes any sense.

Bill Howland

Everyone who owns a leaf seems to have to be incredibly concerned with the battery temperature, how to drive the car before charging, what is the battery temp, etc.

Fine for tinkerers, or for those locales where you can’t buy anything else.

But I don’t think most people will want to express that much mental anguish over a crappy battery.

Clive

It’s the very same body. Same interior room except for the horrible console that digs into your knee.

Brian

Same frame, different body. Look at any picture of a 2011-2017 Leaf and compare it to the 2018 Leaf. It’s a significant update that Nissan made. It went from downright ugly to a decent-looking car that fits with the rest of their lineup.

Clive

I hear you but… Looks are subjective!

Same frame… Very close to the same car.

Different bumpers / fenders / rear doors, w/the same front doors.

Murrysville EV

All the interior dimesions of Leaf 2.0 are the same as Leaf 1.0 and 1.5, except the rear legroom is greater in Leaf 2.0. The car has improved looks and extra features, but it also has the same flaws as the older ones.

Texas Leaf

I went through two Ford Focus Electrics before buying a Leaf. If the 2018 Leaf with a 40 kWh battery and ProPilot hadn’t come out I would still be driving a FFE. No, the 2018 Leaf is not the same as the older Leafs.

John

Too little, too late. The $35k Model 3 can keeps getting kicked, creating a temporary opportunity for Nissan, yet instead of fast-tracking their long range Leaf to take advantage of a frustrated Tesla base, they simply dawdle like it ain’t nothing but a thing.

antrik

Automotive development cycles are *long*. By the time the window of opportunity became evident, it was likely way too late too accelerate their efforts in a meaningful way.

John Hollenberg

To little way to late.

–Former owner of 2011 Leaf (for 6 years), now owner of Tesla Model S85.

Dav8or

Really? You were cross shopping the Nissan Leaf with a Model S?? That’s highly unusual.

Nix

Sounds like he cross shopped with a used Model S, and the used S85 won.

Lou Grinzo

The 2019 pricing we can talk about in concrete terms — Nissan has said this is what it will be, unambiguously.

But as for the “longer range” LEAF, they’ve said nothing, so we should assume nothing. But that doesn’t say we can’t speculate. My guess is that it will ship late 1Q2019, 60kWh, TMS, $39,995, and it will essentially be a LEAF SL with the bigger motor (200HP).

Troy

my expectation too, only available on the SL. They might only offer the SL w/ 60kWh perhaps.

James

Nissan’s plans were to introduce the larger battery version of LEAF as a Nismo variant. This makes sense as the price surely will be approaching a base Bolt if not more.

Is Tesla the only company out there willing to stick their neck out by mass producing batteries to bring the price down? …Wait….Of course they are!

Doggydogworld

Nissan stuck their neck out and built a battery factory long before Tesla. They got burned by a bad chemistry choice combined with their decision to ignore thermal issues.

A.

“as the LEAF is still the most affordable electric car available today with a range of over 150 miles.”

No. That’s the Renault Zoe.

William

Zoe isn’t available in the US.

Magnus H

Not many EVs are available world wide.

Groingo

Will be keeping my 2014, still drives like new, battery no issues with over 40,000 miles, butt ugly so everyone keeps their distance, what’s not to like and it’s paid for!
As far as a new Leaf in the future, the future just never seems to get here with delay after delay.

Scott

Ha ha, precisely why we have our 2013 yet. Plus I can put a wrecked battery in for about $2,500 from the local junkyard if need be. We’ve got 74k miles and counting. down a single bar now but don’t really notice a fall-off in range TBH.

Groingo

Nissan is supposed to offering reconditioned batteries at 30 kwh for 2800.00, either way, the car is worth hanging onto, would buy another if I needed the range but don’t.

Will

The 150 mph is great for the European and UK market but rapid gate destroyed thier sales thier and are in production he’ll after selling g thier early batches like hot cakes

Magnus H

It’s the best selling EV in Europe this year, and it is selling at their best ever.

John Ray

You know, I don’t know why I bother scrolling down to these comments. I know what I will find. The same LEAF bashing that permeates this site.

This very site confirmed way back in January that a MY 2019 LEAF was coming with a 225+ range.

https://insideevs.com/slide-225-mile-range-2019-nissan-leaf/

It’s as if everyone suddenly got amnesia. The new Leaf is coming and it will be here in February.

William

You may be correct about February, but let’s wait until Nissan is able to actually announce it.

Clive

They said Dec last time and it came in March.

Another Euro point of view

Except for Tesla it is hard to see car electrification as a fast process. I just checked the monthly Norwegian EV sales figures for September so far. Number of I Pace registered so far this month…2. Yeah…..
As for the Audi e Tron that just started production. People having placed a reservation in Norway expect that a few cars will be visible at Audi Norway at the end of the year but will likely not even be available for test driving (according to Elbilforum posts). So we will have to wait 2019 to effectively see some movement regarding Audi e Tron. Now Nissan, after waiting years to issue a restyled Leaf with a battery still lacking thermal management they cant even commit for a date for release of the 60 kWh version :-(. It is all a bit depressing and thanks for Tesla moving faster than the others, Elon tweets and joint smoking on Youtube, otherwise we would have very little excitement.

The Electric Israeli

This is stupid!!! They are missing the point. Their sales are lagging, to say the least. They better come up with 60kwh or stay behind. Disappointing!!

bradley cross

To increase sales, they should drop the LEAF price by $5K on Black Friday for 1-day only.

M3 Owned- Niro EV TBD - Former 500e and Spark EV,

Interesting to see how folk mostly giving Nissan a pass on not giving a date while just yesterday the knives were out for Tesla giving a Quarter guidance on its SR Model 3.

Simply put, the Major companies haven’t fully embraced the EV revolution mainly because they haven’t put in the CapEx since they are measured by the quarterly results while Tesla has had a free run on CapEx for 8 years and turning that into a huge lead and into profitability for Q4 2018 for good (if no new bottlenecks arise).

It would be interesting if Kia/Hyundai ever get past compliance status in the US cause they have the best chance of ramp up if they wished.

Nix

Not too surprising. Delays are pretty common in the automotive industry, especially for EV’s. Even the GEN II Volt saw delays in nationwide rollout. No company is immune from delays, most simply hide delays by never giving firm dates or waiting until the end of the process to announce a date, after they have already hit their delays. Hopefully it will be a 2019.5 model and not a 2020 model.

NeilBlanchard

I really hope that Nissan fixes the flared center console that prevents taller drivers from being able to be comfortable. The current Leaf hit my leg just below the knee, and this is a deal-breaker.

The rear seat still needs improvement, too – the leg room is better than it was, but it now lacks decent headroom. Maybe the seat can be angled to lower your butt, but still support your thighs?

William

Flared. Center console is a below the knee bumper, right out of the Honda Clarity flared center console play book. It’s a Deal Breaker for taller drivers. Tesla Model Y can’t come fast enough!

Troy

I’m thinking of getting a BMX crossbar pad like what I had on my Huffy 40 years ago. Should fit right on the hard edge there.

Bob

Uhm… so no thermal management. No increased range?

Hard pass

Speculawyer

The pace of improvements to the LEAF have been quite disappointingly slow. It really needs thermal management, a larger battery pack, and (puts on asbestos suit) an SAE-CCS fast-charge port.

David

Nissan has given up. A non player.

Warren

Unfortunately, all EV sales, to date, have amounted to a drop in a very large bucket. I suspect Nissan is playing out the tax credit for as long as possible. Nobody is left behind in EV sales yet. The vast majority of car buyers have never been close to an EV.

JoeInTheUK

Maybe they are needing to make changes to make it more competitive with the Kona and Niro (225 miles sounds on the low side to me), and that’s delaying it?

Troy

AFAICT it’s going to have the same powertrain (LG’s) as the Kona and Niro.

antrik

Trying to make major changes late into the development cycle would delay them for years.

ModernMarvelFan

Is that at least 6 months delay?

Jeffrey Songster

Having owned 2 LEAFs over the years, I was pleased to try out the new one the other day. 1 Pedal is awesome and I think possibly the best regen I have driven. I currently drive a Model X, love it… but it could have slightly stronger regen leading to hill holder mode like 1 PEDAL does. Once they release the next longer range model, 220 mile, in March 2019 (hopefully worldwide) it will be the low price leader in compact hot hatch models (easier to clamber in and out of than a Model 3 but not nearly as gorgeous or capable) It will also be a worthy competitor to Tesla if they release the NISMO model with snappier acceleration. Give all those Bimmers a run for their money. Let Tesla kick all the Ferrari butts.

Mark.ca

I think there may be a logical explanation to this release. Just think about it. If they actually come out and say the long range version will come out in 6 months what will then happen with the existing model sales? Crash and burn!

BillT

I suspect the issue is the cost would put the profitable sales price of the long range Leaf uncomfortably close or even over the cost of the base Model 3 ($37.5K in any color but black delivered). If Nissan waits until Tesla has one hand tied behind its back (is out of tax credits) when they launch the long range Leaf they might have an easier time. I think the current 40kWh Leaf is a pretty compelling deal for a 2nd / in town car at <$30K (before tax credits) for a loaded SL when one factors in cash on the hood. I think Nissan needs to keep their prices at least $10K under the base model 3 in the US at least to sell well.

Rolando

The Leaf-2.0 with 37KWh net usable battery according to Nextmove (the 40KWH is gross capacity and a marketing stunt) has a wait list in central Europe for up to 12 month. So even the former Nissan owned AESC battery inc. as supplier for Leaf-1 and Leaf-2.0 can’t cope with demand.

The Nissan Leaf-2.1 with 60KWh (rumored to be net capacity and 64KWh gross) will be sourced from LG, which has already problems to cope with high demand from Kona and Ioniq sales, so wait-list in Europe for the 2 Hyundai BEV’s are 12 month.

Kia Niro is now (according to Bjorn Nyland during his Korea visit) using SK batteries because LG seems too ‘deep under water’ with their production capacity, so the Nissan Leaf-2.1 using LG will further add to their shortage and might be the reason for the Leaf-2.1 delay.

antrik

Unlike Hyundai, I suspect Nissan actually ordered enough batteries in advance; so the capacity should be there by the time Nissan is ready to go…

Leafowner

No active battery cooling = slow sales…they need to do more regarding the rapid battery degradation. I bought the Model 3 — still have my 2013 leaf — but it does not get used much other than by my teenage son. The Model 3 is in a class of its own….

Troy

True, but for the price of your Model 3 I could add a 2019 Miata to go along with my 2018 Leaf. (And as a former NB MX-5 owner I’m sorely tempted as the 2019s have 50% more torque at 4000RPM, LOL)

Madan R

I expected Leaf to come with a 60 KWh (220 mile range) in 2019 and 80 KWh (270 mile range) in 2020. Sadly they are dithering on 60 KWh itself. At least they did not increase price.

Recently they launched the Infiniti QX50 with an industry 1st Variable Compression Engine and it will soon be followed in Altima. This means the engines division is ready to increase the fuel efficiency of ICE and block any attempts to increase the electrification. So Nissan Leaf will just live with 40 KWh even as competition is building up with many more models with 60 KWh.

Rick

Don’t see the point in a Leaf with more range since it’s incapable of repeated fast charging. No use going on road trips.

Rolando

The Leaf-2.1 will be with thermal management and fast charging of 100KW – at least according to rumors.
So a 60KWh LG battery with TMS will actually improve the range + solve ‘rapid-gate’ e.g. fast charger scale downs.

Andrew Le

I currently have LEAF 2017… If LEAF with 60kWh battery not available by end of 2019, my next EV will likely be Hyundai Kona EV or Kira Niro EV with its roughly 250+ mile range and active cooling battery… Nissan likely will lose lots of their LEAF sales to this delay. Geez.. Nissan had about eight years 2010-2018 to get better battery tech, but they are falling behind. Korea is kicking Japan’s butt.

Craigs401

You say that, “reportedly, the new 60 kwh Leaf will have a TMS”. Please provide a link as proof because I’m highly skeptical. Just because it’s the right thing to do, doesn’t mean Nissan will do it.

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