Nissan LEAF Owner Reviews BMW i3

OCT 7 2014 BY STAFF 30

BMW i3

BMW i3

Foreword by Tom Moloughney, as posted on his “The Electric BMW i3” blog:

“I have always maintained that a good number of i3 buyers will be Chevy Volt and Nissan LEAF owners that have just finished up the three year lease on their vehicle.

Phil Tipper is an EV “early adopter” and leased a Nissan LEAF. His lease will expire next spring so he’s trying to decide which plug in vehicle he’ll get next. The i3 is on his list of possibilities and when BMW recently offered the i3 extended test drive Phil jumped on the opportunity to get to know the car a little more. I love this extended test drive offering from BMW. I think it’s a great way to give prospective customers a chance to absorb what the i3 is all about.

Phil is already an experienced electric car driver so he could focus more on the specific features of the i3, but many others who have never experienced electric drive will find the extended time they have with an i3 intoxicating. Having more than a few minutes during a quick test drive at a dealership will absolutely help convince people that may have been on the fence. It’s simple, the more you drive electric the more you like it. That extra time behind the wheel may be all they need to make the decision to go electric for the first time. Phil wrote of his experience and thoughts on his time with the i3 and posted it to his blog. I thought is was interesting to hear what a Nissan LEAF driver thought of the i3 so I asked him if I could post it here and he obliged.”

Below is the post from Phil’s personal blog:

As regular readers of my blog know, I’m actively researching the next electric car to replace our 2013 Nissan LEAF SL when its two year lease expires next June, and that the BMW i3 is on the top of my list of contenders.

I like the BMW because of its light weight for an EV (because of the carbon fiber structure of its “life module”), giving it the potential for good energy efficiency and promising good handling around corners, because it has a relatively powerful and torquey motor making it quick off the line, because BMW has tuned in tight steering and minimal body roll, because it is a rear wheel drive design (for classic sports car handling), because I like BMWs and I like the personal service that a premium brand provides, and because I can get a model with a range extender that offers a total of about 150 miles of range, with more range available with a fill-up of a tiny bit of gasoline. I like the idea that a range extender will let us take trips as far as Santa Barbara and San Diego without worrying as much about the reliability of public charging and the time recharging would take.

BMW i3

BMW i3

I’m also fascinated by the concept that having a range extender as a cushion will actually let us, paradoxically, drive more electric miles because we’ll be more likely to take the EV than to fall back on the Prius, and because we’ll be comfortable dipping deep into the battery’s charge because the range extender will be there as a cushion and we won’t risk needing a charge to get home.

On brief test drives of the i3, I had been able to briefly sample the car’s quick acceleration and tight steering, but I’d had trouble getting used to the strong regeneration when the accelerator pedal is released, and I had even felt a bit of vertigo, especially as a passenger when the car was driven vigorously. So I had some concerns to resolve. On Facebook and in person, drivers of the i3 had told me that these concerns would resolve themselves quickly after I had gotten more used to driving the car. A longer test drive was needed.

To my delight, some BMW dealers recently began offering three-day test drives of the i3. This was exactly what I wanted. I found a dealer within 25 miles of my home that was offering the long test drives, Shelly BMW in Buena Park, California, and I found their internet team responsive and easy to work with. I thank them and applaud their willingness to take on the bother and expense of offering this program. To me, the BMW i3 is a car that benefits from a longer test drive so that the customer can learn its unusual.driving dynamics. In fact, I think that brief test drives around the block can be misleading, mostly because of the strong regeneration. I picked up a base model “Mega” i3 with the range extender engine and the optional 20 inch wheels and tires last Thursday morning.

BMW i3

BMW i3

Here are some of the comments about my experiences that I posted on the BMW i3 Facebook group.

Random impressions from first 24 hours, 150 miles:

Regen braking:

It’s pretty much a non-issue and I beg to retract all of my earlier doubtful and even downright negative comments about it. It is different, but it is manageable and you adjust fairly quickly. I would still like to have the regen strength adjustable for a more relaxed driving experience in certain situations. At low speeds with this car, you WILL brake significantly if you need to lift your foot to readjust its position on the accelerator, and it would be very nice to be able to reduce the regen power if you just want to relax and coast with your foot off the pedal for a few seconds. Also, as many have said, the regen strength is lower at high speeds, so you don’t go into full-on braking at freeway speeds if you lift off. My wife’s first test drive comes in a day or so, and I expect her to have issues learning to drive the car smoothly, and I also expect uncontrollable giggling at some point during her test drive (from her, not from me). But I was able to drive her on a day trip today without her feeling too jerked about. And that was in both Comfort and EcoPro modes.

Ride and handling:

The car does bounce around a bit more than I like on uneven pavement in situations when I want a smooth ride, especially when I have a passenger. When I’m out for sporty driving by myself, the ride is tight and just fine for me. I put a lot of this down to the short wheelbase that allows the car to bob over bumps, and the 20 inch wheels with low profile tires. I had mentioned getting just a touch motion sick on short test drives before, but I have to say that I really haven’t felt that in my first full day of driving the car. I imagine that having a chance for my inner ear and brain to get used to the car has something to do with that. I’ll just say that the car is less relaxing to cruise in than my Leaf is because the steering is very responsive to any turning input and I find that I have to pay more attention to where the car is in the lane than I do with the Leaf. Some would say that’s the price you pay for responsive steering. Fair enough.

BMW i3 Tire

BMW i3 Tire

Sporty driving:

Oh hell yes! You owners know this, but I think that the best kept public secret about the i3 is that there is a little sports car demon hiding inside this little thing. When I’m driving alone on a twisty, hilly road, it feels as good as any sports car I’ve driven (remember that I’m in the Mazda, Nissan, 3-Series class, not the Ferrari, Porsche class). The skinny tires grip on curves like the devil and the torque of the motor just goes on and on. Very, very grin-inducing, and very BMW. For me, this is the one and only reason for ME to get this car. Frankly, a fully optioned Leaf SL or a Mercedes B Class EV would do as good or better job for family cruising duty. They are more spacious and more relaxing to cruise around in. But in my experience, the i3 is more fun to fling around than a Tesla Model S because of its small size, light weight and tight handling. And I’ve driven a Model S on some of the same twisty roads. Given that I’m limited on parking space and we can’t really have more than two cars, my EV has to be my fun car as well as being practical. Since the FUN potential of the i3 is so high, I can probably live with the practical downsides of the car.

Performance on Rex:

I haven’t had much time driving the car in REx mode, but I purposely ran the battery down so that the car would go into Rex. There is a slight, almost unnoticeable vibration in the cabin, and you can hear the two cylinder motor chugging a little back there with the windows up. I drove the car fast up a pretty steep hill with the REx running and there was no reduction in power that I could detect. I must say that I do like having the REx there as a cushion. I’ve been driving EVs for over three years and I know how to handle range issues, but it was very nice to see a 40 mile cushion on the dashboard as we finished our 70 mile trip today (Note: The gas tank was less than 3/4 full).

BMW i3

BMW i3

Driving efficiency:

If the mi/kWh onboard readouts are to be believed, I’m getting no better efficiency in the i3 than I do with similar driving in my 2013 Leaf SL. I expected something like 20% better efficiency in the i3, but as near as I can tell, Nope! (Note: see my revised comment on efficiency near the end of the article.) You might say that I must be pushing the i3 harder, but after a day of cruising with my spouse aboard, I got around 4.2 mi/kWh, which is what I’d expect from my (heavier) Leaf in the same kind or driving. This was a mix of suburban and freeway driving, in a mix of EcoPro and Comfort mode. Go figure.

Random minor observations:

I like having frameless windows on the front doors. Getting in and out of the car is a pleasure when I don’t have to contort to get around the upper door frame.

I like the placement of the 12v power plug for a phone charger. My phone sits down there in that well with the charger plug and I don’t have wires everywhere.

The door pockets are spacious and handy for carrying all kinds of small items.

Installing kiddie seats in the back seats was a bit challenging. We have two grandkids, a four year-old and an infant. I had to remove the rear seat headrest so that the bigger kid seat would fit properly down into place. The base for the infant seat takes up a surprisingly large amount of space front-to-rear, so when we put in the actual carrier cradle into the base, the front seat will have to be moved forward a lot. Since I’m long-legged and tallish, we’ll have to put the infant base behind the passenger and have her move her seat forward, and we’ll have the bigger kiddo sit behind me, the driver, and she and I will have to negotiate over leg room.

Finally (after first 24 hours): No electronic or mechanical gremlins, errors, CELs, nothing. Very reassuring.

BMW i3 With Nissan LEAF

BMW i3 With Nissan LEAF

And here is my summary of my experience after the end of the three day test drive:

I’ll summarize by saying that I liked the car very much, and that most of my concerns were eliminated after a few days driving it.


+ The strong regen is a non-issue. It took a long test drive like this to convince me, but I no longer see this as a problem. Even my wife found it manageable. (BUT I do have to mention that she did have a second of unintended acceleration when she wanted to use the brake and forgot that her foot was still on the e-pedal. This was after only ten minutes driving the car for the first time, and we’re sure that with more familiarity, this wouldn’t be a problem.)

+ The quick acceleration and tight handling were really rewarding and these would be the biggest reasons that I’d choose an i3 over any of the competitive cars. This is really a little sports car disguised as an economical city car, and it’s the true standout, as far as I’m concerned, for sportiest small four-door EV. (I know that the Spark is pretty quick, but it’s really a tiny little thing and wouldn’t work for us as a family hauler.)

+ Material and build quality were very good, even in the base Mega model. I happen to find the interior materials interesting and even the compressed Kenaf panels are fine with me.

+ I liked the maneuverability and tight turning circle.

+ I happen to like the car’s unusual styling.

+ We were able to install kiddie seats for our two grandkids and reassure ourselves that the car would work for kid transport duty. This included one rear-facing infant seat and one front-facing kid seat. Space wasn’t plentiful. The infant seat base takes up a lot of horizontal (front-rear) space, so it limits how far back a front passenger can move their seat. So we put the infant seat base behind the front passenger so that as the driver, I can get my needed leg space.

LEAF With i3

LEAF With i3

Features that I found only so-so:

* Having no keyless entry on the base car is cheesy, especially since the car has keyless-go.

* No option for power seats. That really should be an option for those who want it, with full disclosure that it adds weight and might harm range.

* I still find the seating position too high, and I kept wanting to lower the seat below the lowest setting. Ditto the steering wheel. It feels too high even at its lowest, and the high steering wheel position gives me a kink in my right upper shoulder.

* Loud and uncomfortable wind buffeting with the windows down above about 55 mph. I like to drive with the windows down, and without rear windows to open (or a sunroof) the “air hammer” that happens with the windows down is severe. I found that raising both windows to within about 4 inches of closed helps a lot.

* There was an annoying “reciprocating” thrum that I heard/felt at moderate to low speeds. I was never sure whether it was tire noise or drivetrain noise, or both, but it wasn’t a typical EV driveline low howl that changes pitch as you slow to a stop. It was more of a cyclical thrum that got slower in its cycle as I slowed down. Is this typical for the i3, is it unusual, or could it have been specific to the 20 inch tires? (Update: Tom Moloughney, our i3 online guru, told me that he had confirmed this sound in his own i3 to be coming from the 20 inch tires.)

* The short wheelbase (five inches shorter than a LEAF’s) makes the car rock and bob over road imperfections. It’s tolerable but it sure isn’t a serene riding car. For most of my personal driving, it’s no problem at all, but for times when I want to treat my passengers to a smooth ride, it’s intrusive.

* I won’t get into complaints about the crippled USA REx implementation, but the EV range that I got with the car was an unimpressive 72-ish miles. That’s fine for most of my driving, but I’m used to getting about 85 miles with my Leaf, so this felt a bit limited. I do like having the cushion of the REx, though, and I think it would let me drive more EV miles, because I’d choose to take the i3 more often when planned trip lengths are a bit long, and a total range of about 150 miles with the range extender is very attractive after driving a Leaf for three years. It will make the difference between being able to use the car fully and not being able to in the spread-out LA metro area.

* Energy economy was poorer than in my Leaf on the freeway, but better than the Leaf on suburban streets, including with spirited driving. I find this rather disappointing because if I get an i3 REx, I’d like to do more regional driving trips with it, and I was hoping for better freeway economy. OTOH, with the good economy at lower speeds, I can drive it around like a hooligan without any misgivings (free energy from our home’s solar roof).

LEAF With i3

LEAF With i3

The Negatives:

– The “coach” doors. Awkward to move kiddie seats in and out of the back seats unless you have plenty of space on the side of the car. We had to back the i3 out of the garage into the driveway to have enough space to swap the kiddie seats in and out. The maneuver also required removing one rear head rest because it interfered with the upper part of the forward-facing child seat, and this requires partially folding that rear seat forward to be able to remove the head rest. We found that it was also necessary to slide the front seats forward and flip the back rests forward so that we had enough room to get to the child seat restraints and belts.

We wind up needing to swap out the child seats a couple times a week because we have two cars and only one pair of child seats. So this will become a frequent exercise. Not a huge deal, but if it’s raining (if it ever does around here again), I’d be either doing this drill in the rain in the driveway, or back the Prius out in the rain to be able to get the i3 doors fully open and move the kid seats in and out. First world problems, to be sure.

– The placement of the charge access door on the right rear fender. I was lucky that I chose a 25 foot cable when I bought my Aerovironment L2 EVSE. Since I mounted the EVSE near the left front fender of a headed-in car, my choices with the i3 are to back the car into the garage or to wrap the cord around the car to get the plug to the i3 charge port. The latter choice was the more appealing one to me, and it worked fine, aided by the i3’s short overall length.

* And of course, I find the car’s price and value for money proposition disappointing. I’m going to want a good sized discount AND a boost to the residual percentage to feel okay about the lease pricing. We’ll see how things are next Spring, when I’m in the market. But BMW really needs to kick in the whole $7,500 Fed rebate, or price the car to make up for the difference. OCF (Owner’s Choice with Flex – a purchase program with a guaranteed buy-back at the end of the term) programs are less attractive in California because you’re charged sales tax on the car’s full cost, even though you’re only using it for a portion of its life. Leasing would be more attractive to me, but not at BMW’s current pricing, rebate amount and residuals.


i3 Too Expensive?

i3 Too Expensive?

Lastly, the only issue or problem I had in three days and 265 miles was a problem with ” low cost charging”. Even though I had set the car in that mode, it insisted on charging immediately. This was with Level 2 charging with about 15% SOC remaining.

And by the way, my existing Aerovironment Level 2 home EVSE with Nissan badging worked great with the i3.

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30 Comments on "Nissan LEAF Owner Reviews BMW i3"

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Nice and thorough review. For me I can’t see paying the premium over comparable offerings from other manufacturers. Having had two BMWs in the past, I would take issue with the idea that BMW offers ‘personalised’ customer service. The customer service I’ve received from BMW has been the worst I’ve encountered anywhere.

We have a Leaf and are planning on getting the Kia Soul eV as a second car…To us the only other eV to get v would be a Tesla and we see no reason to spend three times or even four times more….If the Kia is as good as the Leaf we will be happy…

I’ve had an 85 kWh Model S for a year and a half and my wife liked it enough that she wanted an EV for herself to commute to San Francisco and park in tight parking spots. We cross shopped the LEAF, Fiat 500e, Mercedes B-class EV, RAV4 EV, and i3 (we weren’t able to drive the B-class because all the previous test drivers had drained the battery). The i3 was the clear winner and we went with a tera world trim to get a proper keyless entry system with an interior color scheme that was palatable. We also opted for the BEV over the REx for noticeably better acceleration, better all-electric range, better efficiency, a lower cost, and the white carpool lane stick er. But we did opt for the high speed charging in the hopes that more CCS chargers will be available in the future. I still prefer driving the Model S by a pretty wide margin thanks to the lower seating height, insane acceleration, smoother ride over bumps, less road/wind noise at freeway speeds, more elbow room, better cabin electronics, fewer steps to start the car, and no lawyer screen on the nav system. But the i3… Read more »

That’s a nice garage combo!

So far it’s working out great. And we’re actually starting to choose the i3 for short trips together since it’s more efficient than the Model S and is easier for my wife to get in and out of (the Model S is pretty low to the ground and she’s six months pregnant at the moment). This is a shift for us because we would ALWAYS take the Model S if we were going somewhere together when the choice was between it and our gas powered car (the gas powered car is hopefully getting sold this weekend). Of course things may change when we have to put a child seat in the back.

Very cool to hear that you choose the i3 over the Tesla some of the time.

Phil, thanks for a very comprehensive review, perhaps the most comprehensive I’ve read, certainly on the i3.

It does make a difference to the review’s quality, when you’re already an EV driver and are not a pro-BMW or anti-BMW partisan.

Personally, the i3 is clearly out of our (economic) range 😉 Besides it has one seat too few for us.

So we’ll keep crossing our fingers for Nissan or competitors to come out with a >100-mile affordable 5-seat BEV, sooner rather than later.

Thanks Assaf. I think that your prayers may be answered within a couple of years. The definition of “affordable” may slide a bit, after all, there’s no free lunch in the battery cost arena, but I’m guessing that we’ll see some increases in battery capacity per pound and per dollar.

Wonderful review!

We also looked at the i3 and I have to say I loved it. To me it was by far the most fun to drive and also the best looking of all the affordable EVs.

Now understand the pain that LEAF owners feel when people like me call their car the ugliest car on Earth!

The RWD doesn’t work for us which was the primary reason we didn’t buy it.

I also think that the suicide doors and the skinny tires were risky decisions that harmed more than hurt the i3. I know why they did the skinny tires (low resistance) but they come off as clown cartoonish.

But I thought the drive was a blast, and loved that consumers have an option of a BEV or a REx.

It’ll be interesting to see if the Gen II i3 has normal rear doors and normal tires.

Thanks! Much appreciated.

We have a Leaf and a Volt right now.. The Volt’s lease is almost up and I’m having to make a decision soon. We did test drive the i3. But the big problem I’m having is justifying the extra cost of the vehicle compared to another Volt or Leaf. The i3 doesn’t really offer anything that really justifies the additional cost.

“The i3 doesn’t really offer anything that really justifies the additional cost.”

Fahrvergnugen? (ok, that was VW, but still…)

why not just get another Volt? were you hoping for something new?

I forget, was it you who was thinking about the Ford Fusion or CMax Energi as well? Seems like a pretty nice car except the AER and trunk space are disappointing, and good luck finding one depending on where you live…

Phil, what other cars are you cross-shopping now? Another Leaf lease? A Volt? (I know you didn’t go w/it first, but seems you like having a range extender) Fusion Energi?

Will it be another lease, or what about good deals on all the used EV’s that are out there now?

I’m also looking seriously at the Mercedes B Class ED. I’ll stay open minded about the next gen Volt and Leaf. The problem is that each is so different in terms of EV range, charging speed, availability of rapid DC charging and driving performance. And I’ll lease rather than buy because I want to be able to upgrade as technology improves.

Discussion of “value for money” is fairly pointless for most premium products, not just BMW.

Great review, Phil! Good on you to get it published!

Thanks George, and thanks for your suggestion to create a blog post out of my FB reports about my test drive.

You know when people overdo something, or just go overboard? To me, that’s what BMW did with i3. Some do the minimum, like OEMs who take an existing model and cram batteries inside, then make 1,000 for ZEV credits ( most every carmaker, at this point ). Then there’s BMW, who threw tons of stuff at i3 that everybody didn’t know they needed – and are finding out – they really still don’t! What with the plastic bodywork, mini-minivan from a sci-fi film looks, darty drive-feel, goofy rear doors and other odd decisions BMW made – here, listed adeptly by Phil Tipper, it comes more into focus that BMW must’ve overthought it’s electric offering. I do like that BMW made a distinct model for it’s EV rather than plunk EV components into an existing model. Unlike the kid who gets the bubbling paper mache volcano kit for Science Fair, BMW is the dork who tried to split the atom and stressed-out his parents for weeks trying to accomplish it, than showed up with an oddball result nobody understood! Nissan proved you don’t have to re-invent the wheel to go 80 miles without using gas! This stripper i3 looks very Plain-Jane… Read more »

Your prose is quite erudite. You have a commendable command of the English languge.

Unfortunately it isn’t enough to hide the transparent BDS you’re suffering from.

BDS=BMW Derangement Syndrome.

James: Here are Car and Drivers performance figures for LEAF and i3:

0-60 10.2(LEAF)-6.5(i3)
0-90 27sec – 16.4sec
1/4 mile 17.7 – 15.3
Skidpad: Both achieved .78 g

70-0 180 ft 163 ft

You may not like how it looks or it’s cost, but the i3 kills the LEAF in performance

Its seems that James doesn’t understand the significance of the acceleration difference. I drive a 2014 Focus, 2012 LEAF SL, and the last couple of weeks I have put a few hundred miles on a new i3. Perhaps James doesn’t realize that many of us enjoy “exercising” the torque of our electric cars every day when driving around town. Sometimes we wish there was just a little more power. The i3 is a blast to accelerate in the 20-50mph range. The thing gets pretty good efficiency while blasting around town. And I will tell you again, after driving the RAV4, and B Class, which have a hard time managing torque with their front wheel drive chassis, the i3 RWD handless acceleration with nary a chirp of the tires. Not to mention the awesome ability to make sharp U-Turns comes in very handy while driving in the city.

Phil, thanks for a great write-up. I always hope to learn something new from other’s unique perspective.

It’s that time of year to start looking for a new car (those that know me know that I am on the 6 month to year track).

I haven’t considered the BMW for several reasons, the least of which is the abysmal quality control of this car, and the previous ActiveE (that shares the basic drivetrain).

We are now looking at a $90k Tesla, or $50k Mercedes B-Class ED. This will replace one of my Toyota RAV4 EV’s.

Thanks Tony. What’s great is that these days, at least here in California, we have choices to match our personal preferences. Combustion cars span a wide range of buyers’ preferences and it’s great that now we are starting to see quite a range of sizes, driving ranges and performance capabilities in EVs. Hopefully enough of them will prove to be commercially viable enough to stick around.

I took part of my test drive in the back seat. That experience “un-sold” me. 1) you can’t open the back windows, 2) there is no door handle. Any back seat
passenger is “trapped” and needs to wait for the front seat
passenger/driver to “free” the back seat passenger.

Not really any different than any other two door car…

It’s not a 4-door car, think of it as a two door with hatches to ease access to the back seat – Same as an RX-8 or F-150 Supercab.

There is a seat back release right on the back of the headrest. Push the backrest forward and you easily reach the door handle if needed.

More and more options becoming available…such a nice thing!

This article(and ensuing comments)point out the great interest EV’s have and how much MORE interest they will generate when people see the variety offered. Yesterday, on my way home from work, I passed 2 Tesla’s, 2 Chevy Volts and 2 Nissan Leafs, along with(surprise!) a BMWI3. And this is in the less than EV crazy Philly area. Once people drive an EV(and give it an honest chance)they appreciate the positives they offer. We are having a discussion here on a LEAF driver and his impressions of a BMW EV, along with comments from Tesla and Volt owners, which are fascinating. Every time a new EV is released, it broadens the appeal that EV’s can have. I love it!

Aside from my EVs, I have still only seen a couple on the road, except at EV events. But, last week while riding home (on my bicycle) I was flabbergasted to see an orange i3 motoring the other way in my sleepy Ephrata (Pennsylvania) town. First time I saw one in person, I stopped and gave a thumbs up. I can’t justify the cost of one myself, but it sure is fun to see them being offered. It sure makes my bicycle riding more pleasant (no emissions).

Just got my i3 for 390 p month including tax, and $500 drive off (includes first payment) – 59k msrp.

I’m glad you pointed out the 20″ wheel “noise” – I actually get it as well, and it sounded like the tire was uneven (suspension/alignment problem), like a cyclical thump as the wheels are moving (sound is more prominent from the front that the rear) – Did Tom Moloughney clarify if there is a current fix for this?

Also, do you guys use nitrogen or regular air for tires?

Furthermore, do you guys also have problems with the USB port? I’ve plugged in my iphone 6 (and my gf’s) with different original apple cables (lightning connector) and the phone goes crazy. It connects/disconnects repeatedly, and sometimes it stops randomly.